Do a WAIFU on Saias next!

Thank you Hoshi Hero

Lilina

Do a WAIFU on Shamir next.

Do Marianne next pls

In my current Blue Lions maddening playthrough Seteth is one of the very few who doesn't suck complete ass. His swift strike and crest combo is too damn useful!

I'm not sure he's as good. On my SS maddening playthrough, he was decent, but he had a hard time KO-ing even with swift strikes. He's about as good as Catherine when he arrives, without the amazing early game Catherine had. The only thing I can think that he has going for him besides the class and swift strikes is rally defense. His stats/skills weren't enough to be anything special on maddening though. But hey, maybe I'm missing something crucial and didn't utilize him properly.

What do you mean?

@@mousefire777 if he's at least surviving a round of combat or killing an enemy in one round then he's above average in maddening standards.

@@blueblade6174 I've only had one maddening playthrough where I used Seteth, but in that one he had a hard time KO-ing even with swift strikes due to accuracy problems and even strength issues. And against the assassins he died about as fast as anyone else.

He’s expressed nostalgia for the period in a bunch of playthroughs with Mangs. He’s made references to Sacred Stoners by Obsidian Wasp before.

It was a very...Interesting Manuever.

Interesting Maneuver Obsidian Wasp

Mekkah has an editor

Sorkoh I’m well aware. I’m referring to his liking of the edits themselves.

The difference is Seth gets a horse and joins you chapter 1.

@@zigludosama catherine can theoretically get a horse

@@zigludosama but otherwise yeah

Ricepatty Well a lot of the sacred stones cast could easily solo the game. Also I don’t think that’s a far comparison because 3houses is highly against solo runs with gambits and player phase just being much more important than enemy phase in this game. It’s not like in SS where I can give Seth a javelin and I’m fine. 3houses says no to that stray because archers and gambits. Maddening is much more tedious and harder than fe8 hard mode. Sorry if any of that sounded offensive. Just trying to state a point.

Ricepatty lol cool for sure Seth can solo the game the easiest by far no question. I haven’t played 3H normal mode either so I can’t really compare it to SS. But yea I agree with all of your points tbh. I just didn’t want to sound like a jerk in my last comment.

She's not a douchebag, but it's sad to see that despite having a will of her own, she follows Rhea's orders regardless of personal opinion all out of loyalty

floricel_112 I think loyalty to a specific person over their own personal desires can be interesting as a character dynamic (hell look at Dedue and Hubert), and she does have a reason for feeling devoted to Rhea cuz she ya know saved Catherine’s life. However, it does get annoying how many times she mentions Rhea.

@@JoenNickforthewin not exactly the best analogy considering Dedue's and Hubert's worldviews are similar to their master's, meanwhile you can't tell me Catherine didn't feel conflicted when she had to arrest her own best friend for Rhea and when she had to begrudgingly set Fhirdiad on fire. Also, their master/servant dynamic is different, having a high degree of mutual trust and a certain level of friendship, while with Rhea, her relationship to Catherine is strictly professional, and she might as well be any other servant of hers

floricel_112 dude Dedue literally says something along the lines of “my views and opinions do not matter it’s only my master’s” right before the timeskip. That’s why I was saying that at the very least they were decent analogs. Catherine obviously disagrees with Rhea but still feels indebted cuz Rhea saved her life. She puts her own opinions and thoughts aside for someone she feels is superior to her to an extent.

@@JoenNickforthewin yes, Dedue said that, but let's be honest, he wants Duscur to be rebuilt, Dimitri wants Duscur to be rebuilt, Dedue wants equality and the end of prejudice, Dimitri wants equality and the end of prejudice, so at the end of the day they both want the same thing, so it's not like anything is done begrudgingly between the two of them

He wants his everything back with that intro lol

He's dead, why would he want that back?

Well, somebody's gotta do it 🤣

Wow, this guy loves shitposting on Mekkah's vids. Do they know each other or something?

@@AkameGaKillfan777 I think he might be subscribed to him

Magical☆Sniper Hanneman is no joke absolutely busted and everyone should experience it at least once in their life.

I didn’t even know people didn’t like her. I used every character in at least 1 of my 4 playthroughs. Catherine was kind of a beast, but definitely suffered from low hit rates with her gambits. I just ended up leaving her as a swordmaster. It was hard mode, not maddening. I remember she struggled against Rhea in the final map, but overall she was one of my better units.

"faculty bad" There's something to this. Alois is contender for worst unit in the game imo, bottom 3 for sure. Flayn is a healer without physic. (she gets rescue and can res tank...woo...) Hanneman has about 2 speed and no growth. Catherine and Seteth are good, but otherwise, Manuela is outclassed by Ingrid in everything except base Mag (though she is otherwise basically an only slightly worse ingrid) and cyril...well he needs growths and we all know how relying on growths is a pitfall.

@@ioncavegrandma9256 That's just wrong, Alois gets one two punch which alone makes him more than viable on maddening. He and Leonie tag teamed all physical threats on GD maddening up to and including Nemesis himself. He's easily better than say Ashe and Raphael. Unless you overvalue availability he's not even close to how bad they are. Besides even if you do value availability that much he is always going to be better than Gilbert.

Catherine is amazing, I used her in my first run on three houses and she was a powerhouse. I know it's not her optimal build, but I always give her gauntlets to punch everything to death when I don't feel using thunderbrand.

What do you do about Catherine whenever you do CF? I guess you still have Shamir.

Maybe its because his stats are so bad he doesn't do much unless he gets death blow, which is hard to get already in the early game but its even harder for cyril due to his terrible stats

@@huntersmith240 Took all of one chapter on VW Maddening for me to get both Death Blow and PBV. Early Maddening is so slow already that letting Cyril get some chip in doesn't even really slow you down. PBV is so busted that it doesn't matter how bad his stats are, he was my best boss killer by a huge margin in act one and didn't start losing out to Byleth until the very last few stages. This on a run where his overall stat growth was below expectations...

What do you mean earlier? Doesn't Cyril need to grind up a bit? Don't get me wrong I think Cyril is underrated, but I also think people overrate him a ton.

@@korinoriz Cyril can get point-blank volley during the first tutor section you get him if you have dlc (sauna) and your statue has bow +2. Without dlc by the second he should have it. This is chapter 5 the same chapter we get access to forge give him a steel bow + and he one shots everything, just keep him safe during enemy phase and he'll naturally grow into one of the best units in the game. He already has c rank axe so he can go brigand as soon as he hits level 10 which is one level off from where he starts. I don't know about getting death blow that same chapter without grinding but C+ in bows to get point-blank volley is definitely possible

@@arachnofiend2859 What chapter? Also, even when he gets PBV and death blow, his damage output still sucks. He has 11 base strength in Chapter 6 when autoleveled. The defense of myrmidons in chapter 6 is 11.

Agreed on the personality side. I like the way her supports were written, she's a really fun character

@@mousefire777 She is, and she has a lot to offer support wise. The variety also makes her well written and better than a few others in the game who just repeat the same few tropes in every support.

A Silver Sword+ has the same Mt.

Leigh Needleman yeah I feel like people are pretty quick to dismiss characters like her, Leonie and Cyril because of their monastery interactions, which are way more accessible, even though they talk about a lot more in their supports

@@notfabio9858 There's a bunch of characters who get a negative reputation for talking too much about certain people. Catherine and Cyril talk about Rhea, Leonie talks about Jeralt, Hubert talks about Edelgard, Dedue talks about Dimitri and Duscur, etc. I think the majority of these characters are better when you look beyond their monastery dialogue only. Because most of them are great units and characters.

Nah, go Mortal Savant Lysithea for the negative speed growth.

I'm going swordmaster with a Levin Sword for my CF run.

"[Insert Character] is so good just buy skills and grind!"

Fuck, your name is Oof, so I can't think of anything else to say.

She's only good because of her prepromotion. If she was a soldier she'd be bad

Yeah I’m the same way, on my first run I was playing on normal so I grinded really heavily and was able to recruit her the first time I talked to her. I then proceeded to use her extensively and even chose to S rank her.

"WHERE RU AT?! WHERE RU AT?!?"

Mlg edits are the shit

I wouldn't say she's underrated, but I never hear anyone talk about her even though her early game is ridiculous in a game where maddening early game is really tough

@@mousefire777 Yes but the point of the video is because a unit is overrated or underrated.

@@ZER0lPT I mean, I think people would just default Catherine to just being average or below average considering no-one talks about her

Not underrated, definitely overlooked

@@ZER0lPT No it isn't. The name of the series is We Analyze Interesting Fire Emblem Units. Nothing about over or underrating there.

I thought that was more of a casual thing

Honestly if he joined earlier he would be very highly regarded but join time really screws him.

@@boredomkiller99 How?

Alois much like Shamir and Cathrine starts in an advance class. For Shamir and Catherine this is really good because they can join pretty early when your party are in intermediate classes and you are facing mostly intermediate enemies. This gives them access to great stat modifiers and increased stat growths and they can start mastering their advance class which is really good for Shamir who gets hunter's volley that and they have high weapon ranks. This gives them a massive advantage and it is why Catherine is so good on VW and AM routes but kind of only okay on SS where she joins late. Alois starts with great weapon ranks, in an advance class with good base stats that will likely surpass those of students you to take on the warrior classline. However he joins at a time where the rest of your roster are in advance classes, already have mastered many class skills and have sufficient weapon ranks and generally you likely amassed a full party. Alois while has good stats doesn't enjoy the early game dominance of Catherine or Shamir. Seteth is technically in a similar boat as Alois but he gets to start in a superior class and gains easy access to swift strike which makes him the only church member that is truly above average post time skip.

Still Alois has some merit anyways, he can get to War Master pretty easily which is one of the better non-mount classes. He starts with rally strength and he is an easy recruit. But if he joined around the same time as Shamir and Catherine he would be a really valued character

Well, Felix is more available on Black Eagles

He literally says in the video, shes good in part one but definitely falls off compared to Felix or Petra

Felix isn't bad tho as he fills a different niche with his Gauntlet affinity and unlike Catherine actually has access to Warmaster (really gauntlet classes in general but I'm just referring to all of them as Warmaster), and is one of if not the best Warmaster in the game. Unlike the other characters the game wants you to make a WM (Raphael and Caspar) Felix has similar strength, a crest that increases damage that procs all the time, and an actual speed stat which leads him to easily be able to quad/one round a couple of classes on maddening especially with killer knuckles. I'm not saying Felix is better than Catherine (because he's not since Catherine is better and easily available for the hardest parts of the game) just that they fill different roles and Felix will outclass Catherine in part 2 as the video says. To quote Mekkah himself "They're both good so just use both". Edit: forgot to mention his relic which gives him a passive Pavise and Agis and since gauntlets weight almost nothing he suffers next to no speed loss so he's also a reliable enemy phase unit especially in endgame when he gets QR.

@@kai_824 actually he said that Catherine and petra are pretty much in the same boat, as Petra also doesn't stand out as much in part 2.

@@josephpanno6816 Since you've made somewhat of a constructive argument, let me elaborate a bit. I've never said both were identical in term of playstyle, or that one is straight up better than the other. I'm just thankful to Mekkah for pointing her out major strengths, because she's mostly been considered and portrayed, especially by the more casual side of the community, as a lackluster swordmaster (or mortal savant lol) completely overshadowed by Felix, while there's so much more to her. Finally Felix has indeed the gauntlet niche, which is definitely his best option off main house, as well as some others gimmicks. Though grappler is usually preferred over warmaster, especially on maddening mode because fierce iron fist is such a great combat art.

Imagine getting Warmaster and proccing her Crest on WM's Strike. Genderlocking really sucks

@@shiny9690 wait, would that stack with the effective damage?

@@evansmith2832 Yep. Same thing would happen if Dimi's Crest procced on Atrocity. Sh*t just blows up And you could give Cath Areadbhar and a crest item

And she's great as an Assassin

He would probably fall off quite a bit around chapter 9 🗿

His Personal Skill is great though.

@@AkameGaKillfan777 What is it again? Universal Physical Breaker skill? I know he also comes with Keen Intuition for 30 Avo on enemy phase, so that's also really good.

@@red5t653 It's called Blade Breaker. Any unit damaged by him loses 5 Def/Res until the next turn.

Bastiondon lmaoo

Fire emblem.exe exists

Mauwus running him on maddening and he’s my second best unit as a wyvern knight right now, his strength got screwed by rng but the base from the class plus a single energy drop and his guaranteed double attack art makes him one round most things

I mean you literally just described why people tend to think Trainee units aren't good. His start is really rough, and why struggle with that when other units can basically do the same thing with less tedium. Hard isn't that Hard honestly. The thing about Three Houses is there's so many factors that vary between people more so than previous games, so it's very hard to say who's good.

Rogue Slushy I'd argue a trained Cyril offers more than a trained Donnel or Mozu can do to flying and point-blank volley atleast gives him good player face from the start unlike those two. But that's what makes cyril so interesting as a unit to me.

I've used him a couple times on maddening. He has very easy access to pretty much everything you want on a unit in maddening (death blow, hit20, wyvern, brave combat art) so I found him very useful. His start wasnt as bad as some other trainee units either because he gets point blank volley so quick, like you said

In my experience Cyril is probably the best trainee unit of the three because while he doesn't have the busted growths of donnel, he also doesn't struggle nearly as much when he joins. His stats are below par when he joins usually but he can still kills things pretty easily with a smash. And a C+ brave combat art? This is super easy to get after like one battle and dedicated bow tutoring. And once he gets his wyvern (which is his most common class so I'll use that for this example), even if the guy is still squishy he can gtfo of there with stupid 3h canto. I will say this is from my hard experience though, don't have the patient to try out maddening so maybe he's worse there.

She looks like Mordred from Fate Apoc in her armour. She’s even super broken just like Mordred.

@@xuanathan kinda yes but Catherine looks older and taller.

Alejandro Rodolfo Mendez True. And she’s T A N N E D A N D M U S C U L A R (Probably)

you can still recruit and use her early on even if she doesn't stay or be relevant lategame. as mekkah says often, the pitfall is thinking units are 'stealing exp' when they're really just making earlier hard ass chapters more doable for you until your army starts holding its own by itself.

@@MegamanStarforce2010 Uhhhh... Can't you literally not recruit her at all into the black eagles?

@@thesuperthingymabob8209 Yup. Catherine and Cyril are unique in BE in that you cannot recruit them at all. Instead, they will auto-join in Chapter 12 should you choose to do SS.

You can still do something similar with Shamir, look at Rengor's run

Heath is considered the best flyer in FE7 for LTCs as he gains hard mode bonuses unlike the pegasus sisters and can usually double after promotion thanks to the slow enemies in FE7. Also unlike the pegasus sisters he has a lot of strength making his one rounding of enemies quite consistens, along with having the usuall utility a flyer has. Now he's not as good as most wyvern riders in FE, but he will still be very useful.even with minimal investement. TL;DR he's very good

Thenagen I think you’re the one conflating statements here. Yes, people complain about Cyril’s character because of his somewhat extreme devotion to Rhea. Yes, some people prefer to make Dorothea their dancer because it’s "canon" or because they like her PTS outfit or whatever. However, when discussing viability, Cyril’s bases ( especially his Silver Snow bases ) and his auto-levels in the Commoner class are brought up, not his monastery dialogue or support conversations. When people declare that Dorothea is the best dancer, they back up that claim by using Meteor as an argument, not her backstory or her looks. Sure, they are/might be overlooking other aspects of these units ( Point-Blank Volley, Vengeance, Death Blow, Dorothea’s riding bane, etc. ) and end up being wrong, but claiming that the points made by those you disagree with you are purely superficial is dishonest.

Thenagen Although I do agree, Cyril isn't a bad unit (except on SS) He is not one rounding with point blank volley in the early game lol. He joins with like 10 strength and PBV doesn't add that much Mt to the attack. A lvl 10 Byleth (which is the level requirement to recruit Cyril) will be pushing close to 20 strength already. Dimitri/Edelgard would be right next to or behind that. In the Byleths case, get them some training/iron gauntlets and they will start one rounding the steel bow archers as early as ch. 4/5. Whoever the most optimal "dancer" really means shit to me since they all do the same thing anyways, but people do like Dorothea as one because she can provide linked support with Meteor while dancing because dancers can equip magic in this game. Plus she was a singer in her backstory not a dancer Ingrid is good for a multitude of reasons, Flying is super OP but Ingrid synchronizes with it well. She has great boons that complement the Pegasus knight line and a balanced growth spread that includes having one of the highest growths with one of the most important stats, charm. This combined with her perf skill makes her a very reliable unit to hit gambits and her good charm growth means she's avoiding them too. Which is super important for a fast alert stance + dodge tank. I'd argue she's the most evasive unit in the entire game, Flying boon for easy access to AS+ , tied for fastest speed growth in the game (if you don't count DLC Yuri with 5% more) and an amazing charm growth allowing her to not get stumped by gambits. She also has access to the Luin really early and the combat art that only she can use with it. So no, it isn't just flying. It's her also

@@DoTtA1123 >Whoever the most optimal "dancer" really means shit to me since they all do the same thing anyways, but people do like Dorothea as one because she can provide linked support with Meteor while dancing because dancers can equip magic in this game. Plus she was a singer in her backstory not a dancer Yeah, this on Dorothea. The best dancers for me are ones that provide passive support along with their dancing and don't require any effort to raise their charisma. Bonus points if I'm not losing anything I consider extremely helpful that forces a tradeoff between dancing and attacking. Dorothea does feel like the best Black Eagle dancer for those reasons.

@@chucrutedip6034 Exactly. The op is using alot of strawmans. Cyril is bad not because of his nonstop Lady Rhea stuff, but because his bases are trash, his growths with aptitude are still some of the lowest in the the game. Having a brave combat art doesn't change the fact that he's not good, nor worth the investment over units. Dorothea is regarded as one of the best dancers not because she has her unique pts outfit or it's canon. Thanks to her high base charm, plus the dance lesson she is guaranteed to win the dance competition at level 1. This alone allows you to optimize and give more exp to your other units. Her other benefits are combining meteor with all her support chains to help boost link attacks and gambits. Add in physic to allow her to heal on the side and you get a great unit that has amazing support and utility capabilities that can also do decent damage when needed. All this without taking away exp from you other units. Ingrid is actually a really good unit. Sure she isn't the best and yes flying is ridiculously strong. What makes her good is she perfectly fits the mold. She has amazing speed and good charm allowing her to be an extremely good dodge tank with easy access to alert stance. She is really good with offensive gambits, and she also get access to Luin and it's exclusive combat art. Yes flying is great, but that isn't the sole reason Ingrid is good.

the whole 'you can be a dancer without investment' is a kinda weird argument. you get an inherent +5 charm just for trying to be a Dancer in the first place, and *then* you compete. the only people not hitting the dainty 13 charm requirement by default are the very few people with hideously low charm or that are unleveled altogether. in that case, why make a complete nothing character a Dancer, when you can make any more decent unit that happened to fall off and you're not using in your party as much anymore into a Dancer instead. there is no inherent benefit to a Dancer that's incredibly weak, there is a little harm though as they'd be more fragile with less utility overall. also i get the idea of making Dorothea your Dancer but also she can be a very strong unit offensively. sure, if she falls off or you're not using her in your party regardless it makes sense that she'd become your Dancer, but if you want her to keep being a strong offensive unit(especially capable of a lot with Black Tomefaire, Usesx2 and Meteor combo in a more standard Warlock class), then Dancer is only going to hinder her and hinder you by extension by not letting her use her strengths.

TL;DR she's a great Jagen. Fantastic in part 1 drops off in part 2, but most of your other units aren't much better than her in part 2 either soooo...

Honestly just making any unit into a flier without the proper skill build is just senseless grinding that is somehow "acceptable". I even experimented with Falcon Knight Catherine and Shamir and sure it was a fun experience, but that type of stuff make your playthroughs last way longer than it needs to be. Plus none of the flying classes that aren't locked to Claude don't even have Swordfaire and Bowfaire. If you play a mode where you don't get double by everything, Catherine can keep up just as a Swordmaster. Also you can't call characters like Ashe deadweight when he have easy access to death blow and practically the same growth rates as other canon snipers, but I guess everybody gives Bernie a free pass from having a panic attack every second in part 1.

​@@travellsylvester Reaching the required ranks to be able to take the exams for classes isn't that high and as Mekkah said, save scumming them is highly recommended. You could say "uh save scum bad" but not doing it is just tedious. Staying in swordmaster is just that detrimental for Catherine when everyone else is running around as high mobility cavs/fliers or long range snipers. I don't really want to get into Ashe/Bernadetta/Ignatz arguments because I kinda value my time even during this quarantine thing so I'll just leave a link to Rengor's 0% growths SS run and a tier list thread discussing these units. kzfaq.info/sun/PLgXdZD-xbNmkK6L7AOqoMnIO2D9-BNrPn old.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/eyyxbo/fe16_three_houses_tier_list_round_7_bernadetta/fgk5bpx/ (Most informative post I found in this thread but the others are definitely worth looking into as well)

@@Docaccino If you want to make everybody into a flier, knock yourself out; but honestly for me tho, having my whole team being the same class is boring and also I'm a big fan of realizing a unit's potential within their skill build. Now we could go both back and forth about this, but this quarantine is killing me too; so I will humbly accept your request and thank you for giving me something good to read.

In hard mode she's an arguably superfluous unit in a mode full of already good units relative to enemy stats. Anyone with just class bases can function well in hard. MM catherine is legitmately your strongest unit for a real stretch of time and arguably your most important unit at a time where the game is relatively more difficult (before most of your units have access to all skills and class masteries that make them good), especially for the notorious ch 5. That alone can be argued to be more unique value than anything she contributes in hard. Realistically though if you've been using catherine as if she were one of your more important units then it's not a stretch that she's also one of your more leveled units naturally (without any favoritism) either and her stats will always be above most of your other units' so it's really not a hindrance to use her as a flying statstick (if other people are already using brave arts, that just leaves more brave weapons for the people wihtout them anyways including thunderbrand). Contrast this to units with brave arts like Ferdinand/Sylvain who, while may have a higher ceiling, are strictly worse before having access to Swfit Strikes (same can be said for archers before hunter's volley). I'd argue the difference between Catherine and said units before their combat art is much, much larger than the difference post art when both are in their mid advanced to master classes and that large early to mid game gap matter a lot more in maddening when most units are struggling to survive more than 2 rounds of combat/not one rounding themselves. Her "dropoff" is nowhere near as pronounced as someone along the lines of fe6 Marcus or fe10 Sothe (who, despite such dropoffs, are still rated among the best units in their respective games) as pretty much besides the 5 innate brave art users and 3 lords there's no exactly strong argument for anyone else being better as a combat unit than her in part 2.

Still waiting on that Character Spotlight Mangs.

Was he one of the unique capture units like Rallyman Lite (Haitaka from Conquest ch. 9)? Gonna admit I never really bothered with them, my Orochi and Niles haven't exactly been stellar in my playthroughs.

He is the capturable boss of Forrest’s paralogue (Leo’s kid). The dude is a Berserker with insane bases and really solid growths. Wait until he’s a Berserker to capture him to get that sweet S rank in axes (I’m talking about Lunatic difficulty here). His other notable assetS are the skills he comes with. Not Good Fortune though, that you can remove, but he also comes with Certain Blow and Pavise. Combined with access to the typical Fighter/Berserker skills, and you have a monster of a unit that can both kill enemies extremely reliably and can take more punishment than you might think. He’s one of the best choices for a Berserker on both Conquest and Revelation, and just one of the more powerful units to use in general.

@@XIIIHearts I actually got a +2 HP growth with him on a level-up once.

She's not really underrated though. Not sure she's overrated either tbh.

I'd say shes overrated. Her base class and speed just hold her back so much and she doesnt really contribute any more than genuine early join high tiers like Silas or Niles WITH the extra investment needed to get out of Armor ASAP. That's not to say she isnt workable or doesnt have her uses, especially with an early promo to GK, but I'd prefer someone like Laslow, Odin, or Gunter for a Conquest Waifu of units that are genuinely overlooked or misunderstood by most players.

@@LordWallace As someone who has experience with Conquest efficency runs Laslow, Ghunter and Odin aren't misunderstood, they're just not very good. Ghunter is a Jagen that leaves for a lot of chapters where he would be useful and joins again when even his boosted bases aren't that impressive anymore. He can reclass to wyvern lord and is a very good Corrin pair up bot, but not much else. Laslow comes in an akward time, he joins at the beginning of the only turn limit chapter in CQ, he also cannot be toniced up in his joining chapter so he's mostly gonna be a pair up bot and a rally bot. His bases also aren't very impressive and his growths don't make up for it. Some people say that if you reclass him to a ninja that he's comparable to Kaze and ninja Shura, but that's mostly incorrect as Laslow's combat at base doesn't hold a candle to them. He's pretty much the same thing through the entire game, Xander pair up bot and rally bot. Odin is an interesting case, he also comes mid chapter so you can't tonic him up, but it's more fogivable during the earlygame. Neither his bases or growths are very impressiva and tomes aren't as amazing as they are in most game, but he can be a good Nosferatu tank on the left side of the map. He can also provide nice utility with heartseeker and having somewhat reliable 1-2 range. His personal skill is a meme, but it's not hard to get, just forge every weapon to have a bunch of letters. Don't go for samurai Odin, it's a meme. Overall he's far from terrible, but nothing special either. There's really little reason to use him after Leo joins unless you really wanna get Ophelia.

@@LordWallace Anyway overall I just don't see Odin, Ghunter and Laslow being very interesting to talk about, not to mention how Mekkah dislikes talking about Fates.

Also the fact that in Awakening and Fates character movement wasn't all out of wack

He takes no damage from Endgame War Masters when I use him.

Dedue makes for a fantastic Shield Assist which is the best type in the game and is pretty much how you turn Dimitri's almost perfect combo into an actual unkillable one.

God I just love dedue for his character and sheer defense. No matter what people say, I would still run dedue in any run.

He disappears for several chapters and is severely under leveled when you get him back and he cannot get skills during this time.

Dedue has some uses in the earlygame with easy smite access and one-two punch but he really drops off in terms of combat after a while. He's also in the route with the lowest need for combat units since Dimitri exists.