Walk to the Source of a buried River in Ilford East London - The Cran Brook (4K)

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John Rogers

John Rogers

4 жыл бұрын

This walk follows the course of the Cran Brook through the streets of Ilford in East London to its source near Barkingside.
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We start on Wanstead Flats and pass through Aldersrbook, a model Edwardian suburb that is seen as a great example of the vernacular revival. Passing down Empress Avenue we look for the site of the Redbridge Nuclear Shelter near Empress Avenue Allotments. These allotments were used as a location in the Mike Leigh film Another Year.
The path takes us around the outer perimeter of the Wanstead Park, through the Epping Forest Exchange Lands and near the site of an isolation hospital. We pass beneath the pylons and cross the River Roding into the streets of Cranbrook. The Cran Brook makes its confluence with the Roding on Ilford Golf Course which I was unable to access, but the course through the streets here is marked on the map in the video. The name, Cranbrook has its earliest use in 1233 as Cranebroc. We follow the Brook along Empress Avenue, Ilford, through an area called The Wash and into Valentines Park.
Valentines Park was featured in an episode of the radio show I produced and co-presented with Nick Papadimitriou on Resonance FM, Ventures and Adventures in Topography. It's one of my favourite London parks. Author Thomas Burke described it as The Eastern Queen in his 1920's book, The Outer Circle - rambles in remote London. The Valentines Estate had existed before Valentines Mansion was built in the 1690's for the widow of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The Park once had a Lido which was demolished in 1994 and it is said to be the inspiration for the Small Faces song Itchycoo Park. Roman era burials were excavated in the grounds of the house in 1724. The Cran Brook can be seen flowing through the Park into the boating lake.
From Valentines Park we walk along Quebec Road, the go along the A12 Eastern Avenue and turn into Horns Road. We can see the shape of the river valley from Netley Road, Birkbeck Road and Perkins Road where the river runs beneath the Sainsburys Car Park.
We follow the alleyway that takes us over the Central Line behind Newbury Park Station and into Oaks Lane. From Oaks Lane we go into a field that leads us to where the springs gurgle to the surface giving birth to the brook not far from Barkingside Station.
Many thanks to Vincent Goodman for sending me a map showing the course of the Cran Brook and for suggesting this walk.
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@vinnygood
@vinnygood 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you to John Rogers for making this film. I’m delighted our conversation inspired you to take this walk. Great job! from Vincent Goodman
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
it was such a pleasure Vincent, thanks so much for the idea and your guidance.
@angelailovekeepingupappear2466
@angelailovekeepingupappear2466 2 жыл бұрын
I find watching your videos is a great way to forget about all my troubles and irritating people in this funny world
@sheilaroderick9123
@sheilaroderick9123 2 жыл бұрын
I used to live in Yoxley Drive - the next road to Cantley Gardens. When we moved there in 1953, the Cranbrook flowed open between the back gardens there. We had a large cat fish at one point and released it into the brook because it got too big for its tank. A couple of years after, the council culverted the brook in, but a number of the trees which lined the brook banks remained for quite a number of years. Thank you for such a lovely programme. I came across it purely by chance. I now live in the Outer Hebrides, and am enjoying the memories of London that you are stirring up.
@WinstonOBoogie_
@WinstonOBoogie_ 4 жыл бұрын
After visiting the UK a couple of times, this is the stuff I’m looking for. The real UK off the beaten track that the locals will see, very nicely done.
@Pierlover
@Pierlover 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! this bought back so many memories, especially the part around Valentine's Park. My nan and cousins lived in Perth Road and I seemed to spend a large part of my childhood in the park there. In fact, I like to claim I carry a part of Valentine's Park around with me even now - in the form of a splinter in my left thumb. We kids were jumping over a little stream near Valentine's House when I crash landed on a tree stump. At the time I got most of the splinter out but a bit remained - and is still visible over 60 years later. Amazing it never festered! Just as well as I am a pianist by profession. I also remember that bit of the culvert near the cafe - just after it had been landscaped that way. It became an unofficial paddling pool and on hot days was packed with families and kids - it all looks a bit overgrown now! And on the subject of rivers - I'd still like to see you do a walk along the Ingrebourne, John!
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing those great memories Douglas. Yes, the Ingrebourne is on the list - thanks for the reminder
@andrewbanham8433
@andrewbanham8433 4 жыл бұрын
Hi River Ingrebourne to the river Beam (Rom) and see how much is left on the Romford canal.
@christineburns5246
@christineburns5246 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry I’m late to this but the walk through Valentine’s Park had me reminiscing too. Back in 1958 I was four, my parents and grandma lived in Goodmayes (which also has an interesting brook through Westbrook Park) and I have a vivid memory of a day when Mum and Grandma walked from home in Wellwood Road to Valentine’s Park, entering through the east end gate on Quebec Road. The vivid parts are the terraced open culvert, which I loved to walk along, and the red squirrels leaping from tree to tree above. I also remember being curious about how the water disappeared under Cranbrook Road. Sometimes we would come at it the other way, after tea and ice cream at the Lyons on Cranbrook. I had to resort to Google maps to realise that the walk from the park exit to home was less than two miles (though it seemed a lot longer to little me). Everything was so clean and neat in those days. The park had keepers and all the grass was regularly mown. Thanks for triggering such a rich memory of childhood.
@rickoneillable
@rickoneillable 4 жыл бұрын
Your enthusiasm is infectious. Like Geoff Marshall. Great stuff!
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rick - I really enjoy Geoff's videos
@SolaPortal
@SolaPortal 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, good memories
@Chelsea88871
@Chelsea88871 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting John. You may have noticed a number of houses that don't quite match their neighbours on your walk - the result of bomb damage in WW2. The old Plessey HQ (where these were aimed at) used to proudly display an unexploded bomb outside their entrance. Ironically, this was removed when Siemens took over and the old buildings were raised to the ground. We lived in Mayfair Ave (next road up from Empress Ave). Our friends house down the road still had an air raid shelter in the garden in the 1960's. I also remember watching the visiting Australians play Essex at Valentines Park in the 1970's and being able to walk up the players after the game to collect autographs. I must thank my old friend Ade (who lived in Kensington Gardens, further up The Drive) for sending me to this page
@SoulfulAde
@SoulfulAde 4 жыл бұрын
Tom W my pleasure Tom. 👍🏼
@line2bassman80
@line2bassman80 3 жыл бұрын
"Ironically, this was removed when Siemens took over and the old buildings were raised to the ground" I always joke that the Germans got it in the end ! :-)
@charaderaptor
@charaderaptor 4 жыл бұрын
I used to live near the source but never knew the name but looking at the topography of the land and slope, I had imagined the stream flowing towards the tube tracks which were old train tracks and then water flowing into the sainsbury's car park and beyond. Across, Perkins road and Chase lane has a distinctive dip suggesting the flow. You read the land exactly I had thought. I've learnt so much today from you. Thank you.
@richardpicking4459
@richardpicking4459 4 жыл бұрын
Nice walk John and thanks for making them so enjoyable. Two bits brought back happy childhood memories. Firstly playing in the concrete sculptured course of the Cran Brook through Valentines Park, building dams and racing small boats. The other memory is my sister keeping her horse Rajah in the fields between Newbury Park and Barkingside during the 1960's. I remember it being muddy then. Till next time.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing those wonderful memories Richard
@schweppesz9215
@schweppesz9215 4 жыл бұрын
I was born and brought up in east London. I never cared for or paid any attention to history lessons in school, especially history about my area. However, as an adult I sit and enjoy your videos, learning about places I walk past everyday. Fascinating.
@paulm.7422
@paulm.7422 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Dallas, John. You tour my old haunts from growing up, which is a great insight into the changes that have taken place since I emigrated, 30 years ago. Best wishes and stay safe!
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful to be able to take you back to the streets of East London all the way over in Dallas Paul
@mheuman
@mheuman Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I loved this suburban river hunt.
@aklimaakter5180
@aklimaakter5180 4 жыл бұрын
IM FROM ILFORDDD N IVE LEARNT SOO MUCH NEW STUFF THANKS
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
great to hear Aklima - I've just done another walk through Ilford that will be online next Sunday
@benwherlock9869
@benwherlock9869 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who has spent the last twelve years walking around Cambridge over and over again trying to find every route, I must say that I really love these videos. Even the most mundane looking bit of geography can be a treasure trove.
@tracybrock8415
@tracybrock8415 4 жыл бұрын
Quebec, Perth, Adelaide Road etc, are known as The Commonwealth Estate. Great video as always!
@wombat1238marsupial
@wombat1238marsupial 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video and another great walk, cheers up my Sunday evening😊
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
wonderful to hear!
@annepuffett2025
@annepuffett2025 4 жыл бұрын
You are an inspiration I live in northampton since watching you I have been out walking and discovering so much more keep the videos coming fabulous blessings
@57bananaman
@57bananaman 4 жыл бұрын
Essex County Cricket club used to play one or two games each season in Valentines Park in the late 1990s. They used to play at Ilford Cricket Club, which is on Cranbrook Road, just to the north of "The Wash", rather than at the cricket ground pointed out in this video. Temporary stands used to be erected to accommodate a few thousand fans,
@schweppesz9215
@schweppesz9215 4 жыл бұрын
I live in Ilford, and yes, to go to Ilford is a fool's act. Valentines park is quite nice though.
@samrahm8818
@samrahm8818 4 жыл бұрын
FRR
@aethellstan
@aethellstan 3 жыл бұрын
I live a couple of miles away from Ilford. I avoid it like the plague.
@samrahm8818
@samrahm8818 3 жыл бұрын
@@aethellstan 😂😂
@schweppesz9215
@schweppesz9215 3 жыл бұрын
@@aethellstan If I could, I would. lol
@aethellstan
@aethellstan 3 жыл бұрын
@@markohenry5891 There are lots of big houses, especially on the side of the park near the telephone exchange going towards Gants Hill and the A12, but even then the area is getting really horrible, its kind of oozing away from the town centre and spreading further and further out...! Still, musn't grumble.
@jonfernandezsoulfulhouse2616
@jonfernandezsoulfulhouse2616 2 ай бұрын
thank you John for these great videos. they have helped me calm my mind through some recent troubles.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 2 ай бұрын
sorry to hear you've had some troubles Jon, hope all is well now, glad the videos could help in some way
@imranzazai7404
@imranzazai7404 4 жыл бұрын
Very beautiful day in the beautiful area.
@akgo2684
@akgo2684 4 жыл бұрын
I surprisingly got recommended thus video. And surprisingly, I was delightfully impressed with it. I'm subscribing!
@DHILRAJ
@DHILRAJ 4 жыл бұрын
Im absolutely blown away by your knowledge of the area in which I was born and still frequently travel to meeting friends and having dinners out
@stevepryor5293
@stevepryor5293 4 жыл бұрын
I just finished "This Other London" this morning, so it was great to see this! A highly recommended read, and another wonderfully calming walk, thank you, John.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear Steve - glad you enjoyed the book
@steveholmes11
@steveholmes11 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful presentation: My student summer job was gardening at Valentines park. I spent several days raking moss and pondweed out of the lower Cranbrook channels just before it exits the park (Wet feet). Back then the Wash (Opposite park entrance) was not fully enclosed, there was a noisy waterfall as the course passed the Telecomms building. I grew up in Barkingside. A trip past Barkingside station led to the football ground. I don't know of access now, but back then a hop over the back fence would grant access to the boggy fields where the brook rises. There was also talk of another culverted river slightly further North running between the backs of Craven Gardens and Heybridge drive. Homeowners with sheds would regularly trap rats (and voles). They blamed the "river" for their presence.
@Signals927
@Signals927 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that Cranbrook Park and Valentines Park are one. From the Wash it is Cranbrook Park and as you go further over it is known as Valentines Park where there is an entrance from Perth Road. As a child during the war and growing up in the 50's and 60's that's how we referred to it. By the way the Australian Cricket Team played Essex where the Ilford cricket club is in the park, that was in the 60's.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for those notes - great to think of the Aussies playing out there in the 1960's
@timbuthfer901
@timbuthfer901 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating as always, thanks John. I think Burke crystallised Ilford perfectly "only fools go to Ilford" 😂.
@syedadeelhussain2691
@syedadeelhussain2691 4 жыл бұрын
great to see you in high spirits and good health.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Syed
@robbojax2025
@robbojax2025 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely link to childhood memories. I grew up in Manor Park near the Roding. As kids we would either walk to Wanstead Park around the City of London Cemetery, known as the bridle path, to Empress Avenue. Then into the park and around the Ornamental lake, and back via Wanstead Flats. It was also my school's cross country run route. We would also walk along Northbrook Road to Valentine's Park. I remember fishing in the Cran Brook for stickle backs. I also remember bunking into the Ilford Cricket ground to watch Essex v West Indies in the 1950s. I have enjoyed many of your other videos of the area and the memories of my childhood and teen years.
@markahomer
@markahomer 4 жыл бұрын
Aldersbrook Riding School? There was a riding school there in the early 60s. And had forgotten about Valentine's Park. Last went in the mid 70s. So many of your walks trigger memories.
@dawnshields5398
@dawnshields5398 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you John, I thought that was a really fascinating video. I'm glad I came across it. I used to live in the area of Cranbrook and went to both Highlands Primary and Wanstead High School in the seventies/eighties so it was great to watch. It was very interesting to watch how you tried to follow the course of the Cran Brook. Fascinating! As kids, we used to visit Wanstead Park and Valentines park regularly. All the best, Dawn
@pavanubhi1227
@pavanubhi1227 4 жыл бұрын
A very interesting insight into my local area .. top job John !
@vaunmalone3064
@vaunmalone3064 4 жыл бұрын
I envy your explorations! Looks like anywhere near Epping forest is fabulous!
@miiq352
@miiq352 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a local thanks for highlighting the interesting history and pleasantness of Ilford and the surrounding area. It has a bad rep with people and I want everyone to know it’s a nice area on the whole.
@sidholland
@sidholland 4 жыл бұрын
John, I keep meaning to add a comment and tell you how much I've been enjoying your walks. It's only recently that I chanced upon your content and I'm certainly glad I did. I live in Amsterdam and, like you, enjoy taking long largely unplanned walks around the city and surrounding countryside. In more recent times I've begun to refer to this as walking in the spirit of John Rogers! I shall be visiting family in the UK next week and I'm already excited at the prospect of an extended stroll in the Hertfordshire countryside. Thanks for the continued inspiration!
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
that's really wonderful to hear Simon. Hertfordshire is such a great county for walking - hope you have a great time
@Mr223P
@Mr223P 4 жыл бұрын
Grew up around the Cran Brook, playing along the tank tracks near where it springs, had many school friends who lived near where it is covered (Emmott Ave Perkins Rd etc etc) and where it springs up in Valentines Pk it has those wonderful concrete steps either side which we hopped our BMX’s over all the time (right near the old Valentine’s Lido) fantastic times...
@anthonyhatfull5484
@anthonyhatfull5484 4 жыл бұрын
Nice one Mr.Rogers. From the mid 1970`s to the mid 1980`s I lived In Auckland Rd Ilford on the corner by the Melbourne Rd entrance to Valentines Park. The clock at the end of the boating lake was donated by the Griggs family 1898 if I recall.They were the local social leaders,and put their name to several projects in the area. The benches inside the Cranbrook Rd entrance had to be removed as they were populated by dosser`s who wandered down from the doss housed in East London.There was an off-licence,and a take-away,and pub there.All they needed,before they wandered back. Anyone who lived in Ilford around that time might remember the little open air theatre in the park that put on shows for pensioners,also a couple of characters like the bloke who wandered around in bare feet and naked from the waist up in all weather with just an old blanket over his shoulders,and the chap with the top hat with feathers,and white paint on his face. perhaps he was the inspiration for Adam & The Ant`s? The mansion has a vine said to be the oldest in England? The best thing in Valentines park was the open air swimming pool. I used to walk two min`s with just a towel and my entrance money. Sadly closed in the early 80`s and not a trace left now:(
@jackyrussell1243
@jackyrussell1243 4 жыл бұрын
I remember the vagrant chap. He slept in a little brick cubby hole close to the rose gardens. I believe he was in his thirties at the time, so quite young to be in such a poor state.
@dambrooks7578
@dambrooks7578 3 жыл бұрын
I now have your book on my Audible wish list so it will be my next purchase. I really enjoy your KZfaq walks so am looking forward to listening to your book.
@minijames2777
@minijames2777 4 жыл бұрын
Another great walk John, already looking forward to next week 👍🏼🍺
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
wonderful to hear James
@taomahNEGEV
@taomahNEGEV Жыл бұрын
It is great fun to walk with you.
@jackyrussell1243
@jackyrussell1243 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this film - recommended by my skin and blister. We grew up in Wanstead Lane and spent a lot of time in Valentines Park. We had some pieces of stone in the garden there that looked as though they had been part of columns. It was said that they came from Cranbrook Castle. Thanks again.
@richardsuperfine826
@richardsuperfine826 3 жыл бұрын
Another wonderful video. I used to work in that Sainsbury's! And as a kid I would wander around in that field where the Cran Brook rises. I also remember it being very boggy and water logged. There was a hollow tree near that field too which was always enchanting. Did you notice the large concrete blocks in that area? Used to block the passage of tanks during wartime.
@ianspicer3885
@ianspicer3885 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this one as I lived in Redcliffe Gdns which runs from Cranbrook Rd to The Drive so this is very nostalgic as I emigrated to Adelaide Australia over 30 years ago I look forward to watching more videos 👍👍👍👍
@tonyfitzgibbon2367
@tonyfitzgibbon2367 4 жыл бұрын
your videos are a real treat ; in these difficult times
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
that's wonderful to hear Tony
@sandrauloaku
@sandrauloaku 4 жыл бұрын
From ilford.. this is beautiful
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Sandra - there's another Ilford video coming up on Sunday
@sandrauloaku
@sandrauloaku 4 жыл бұрын
John Rogers 👌 will keep an eye on this space thanks 😊
@humble4533
@humble4533 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John as ever for your interesting and beautifully shot film. I appreciate all your hard efforts. Look forward to the next one. Stay safe
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
cheers Humble
@martinlawrence8427
@martinlawrence8427 4 жыл бұрын
Love it John...fascinating walk...river hunting could become a new hobby!
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Great stuff - River Hunting is so interesting, I get genuinely really excited when tracking a river
@loughtonfolkclub827
@loughtonfolkclub827 4 жыл бұрын
Hi John I love the river walks hidden or otherwise. I seem to be drawn to rivers, spent most of the day in Beckton by the Thames. I never knew all that marshy land was by Newbury Park station. I alight at Newbury Park to go to work. I shall now find the time to expore it. The glorious summer days of watching Essex CCC at Ilford, Graham Gooch, Derek Pringle and John Lever, packed lunch, pints in the beer tent and the sound of the heavy roller. Great video. Gary
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic Essex team to watch at Valentines Park, incredible to think of those legends there. I've been told that Graham Gooch went to school in Leyton at Norlington, just round the corner from me, so he may have played at Valentines as a kid
@rosswebster7877
@rosswebster7877 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see you out and about and river hunting John!
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ross - this was a great adventure
@LondonMint
@LondonMint 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting... Amazing video.. Really appreciated
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@k.browne4489
@k.browne4489 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video, John Roger's. Having grown up in Ilford and moved to the Bronx NY, it's very nice to have this video to go back to, especially for the history. I can see the influence of Edith Thompson's case in the sense of impending doom built around the character Margot in Hitchcock's Dial M For Murder. I did not know of the significance of this case. Thanks again for your wonderful insight.
@briancox144
@briancox144 4 жыл бұрын
Another great episode John of walks and informational facts from around our area wonderful mate keep up the good work most enjoyable
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
cheers Brian
@danielscott524
@danielscott524 4 жыл бұрын
Route 66 has another nickname that is fitting when talking about Eastern Avenue- The Mother Road. Also appropriate when you realise Ilford Maternity Hospital was located in Newbury Park- on the A12. A wonderful trip into the great plains of Aldborough in search of the Cranbrook’s origins - the whole of the Hatch is an incubus of story and lore. When you have a chance, tracing the Seven Kings Water is very rewarding indeed and knits together several of your walks...
@andrewcundy7328
@andrewcundy7328 3 жыл бұрын
John. I am a member at Ilford Golf Club. I'm sure we would let you in to have a look. On the map I can see where the confluence appears to be. Never noticed it but will look next week and take some photos if I see any likely suspect 😉
@vinnygood
@vinnygood 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew, I did manage to find and photograph the point of confluence. A bit overgrown but it’s definitely visible. Thanks, Vincent Goodman
@malcolmmogotsi8586
@malcolmmogotsi8586 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video brought me back my childhood memories of back in 1995 when i used to go wanstead. and oh yes i do remember the bunker you was looking for lol
@seekwisdom7757
@seekwisdom7757 4 жыл бұрын
Popped up on You tube . An attractively filmed & presented fascinating walk in an area I'm very familiar with. I loved the history & sent the link to people In the local area & some teachers I know. Thank you so much.Ive subscribed.
@tomgirldouble3249
@tomgirldouble3249 4 жыл бұрын
A loverly walk john, so interesting when you found the source, so much water in such a dry season incredible. Thank you. 😀👍
@jonrome2839
@jonrome2839 Жыл бұрын
I spent the first 30 years of my life, from 1949 to 1979 in Empress Avenue, the part between Belgrave Road & The Drive, incidently the lowest part of that section of the road. The council, in their infinite wisdom, piped in the stream in the early 1960s where it ran between the back gardens of Empress & Northbrook. Ever after that the cellar of our house flooded each winter. Nothing my dad could say would convince them that they were responsible. For many years I watched ducks faithfully following its path.
@billyfury1952
@billyfury1952 4 жыл бұрын
As a person that can't get out much lately and grew up in Hackney/Leyton I really look forward to your walks and the historical detail you add on route...I am almost walking with you on these videos and really enjoy them Thanks
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry you can't get out so much Billy but glad I can take you along on these walks
@johnnyrich1
@johnnyrich1 3 жыл бұрын
Good grief i stumbled across this at 5.30am. I grew up on Exeter Gardens and went to Highlands junior school that you walk right past. My earliest memory is sitting in a pushchair outside the greengrocers on Belgrave road. It never occurred to me that the Cranbrook would have been a river. Such a trip down memory lane. I recall growing up that there used to be a river running under our garden on Exeter Gardens which was why our lawn would flood slightly and stay green no matter how hot the summer was. A tributary of the cran brook maybe. I remember the wash at the bottom of The Drive but so much of it I've forgotten. Such a great video thank you!
@gabriellaclarke9834
@gabriellaclarke9834 4 жыл бұрын
Another delightful walk! Thanks John, looking forward to the next one
@gavinsmith8330
@gavinsmith8330 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John Thank you for this, yet another great video. As I have said some time ago, I spent my young to teenage years growing up and roaming the streets of Ilford and the East End and many a day playing truant in Valentines Park. I used to visit the park with my parents when I was very young and with friends growing up, playing football and cricket, getting chased on our bikes by the Park Keepers ! I remember a small stream that ran South into the Cranbrook about halfway along the main pathway from where the Lido used to be to the point that you showed where it entered the boating lake near the Cafeteria. I had many an ice cream in there during those long hot Summer holidays. I am talking about fifty plus years ago up until about 1978. Your video brings back lots of fond memories. I was watching with my 14 year old daughter and telling her where I used to fish in the Roding, Wanstead Park and Wanstead Flats, where I had all my fishing gear stolen one night when I was about 13yrs old. Keep up the great work. Thanks again.
@ashleysgaze
@ashleysgaze 4 жыл бұрын
We've entered a period of hard lockdown here in Melbourne, so this is (once again) a near-perfect antidote to stasis and everyday banality. Thanks John, and please keep-up your (tele)peripatetic ways! P.S. There is no temperance here!
@danielscott524
@danielscott524 4 жыл бұрын
I liked how John went through the Commonwealth Estate and crossed Melbourne Road on the way out of the Park! Solidarity, Ashley. I’m in Phase 4 with you. Mining my 5km circle!
@shashvatverma5673
@shashvatverma5673 4 жыл бұрын
First video I've seen of the area!
@kendalchen
@kendalchen 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this sort of thing. Here in the Pacific Northwest of the US we have so many creeks and rivers that have been forced underground and being able to read not only primary sources but the current city- or townscape like you do in this video. In Portland often the houses are much newer than the creeks over which they’re built, but flooded basements and bioswales sometimes provide clues. Other times the city outright filled gulches and culverted high-volume streams in a Gilded Age push for progress. It’s a bit hard to fully grasp that thinking; nowadays it would be handled much differently. I envy you the longer history of structures to use for reference and I’ve subscribed to see what other water hunts you go on. Greetings from Oregon!
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
All the best to you in Oregon - would love to visit one day. In the video I just uploaded I 'accidently' stumble across one of the more notable 'lost' buried rivers of London - the Westbourne or Kilburn which crosses beneath an old Roman road kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zp2jgJx8qc_depc.html
@gparry42
@gparry42 3 жыл бұрын
New subscriber! Wonderful walks and so interesting, I've got a lot of catching up do. Thankyou very much !
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 3 жыл бұрын
Many thanks Gareth - you enjoy the other videos
@andrewbeaven6190
@andrewbeaven6190 4 жыл бұрын
A really interesting piece, John, thank you. I walk the middle (submerged) section of the Cran Brook two or three times a week, and I have often wondered about the course it follows. From following the contours on the ground, and a little Googling, I have the following suggestions. The course of the Cran Brook appears to leave Valentines Park beside the car park on Perth Road (there is an odd humpback bridge in Perth Road), and not via the Quebec Road gate, then to continue between the houses on Quebec Road and Milton Crescent (line of garages between back gardens), crossing Eastern Avenue and then northwards towards the source between Yoxley Drive and Cantley Gardens. It probably runs beneath Ardwell Avenue and Emmott Avenue where these side-roads to the west of Horns Road both turn sharply from running west to north-west - this kink in the road corresponds with the lowest point, and there are new-build and/or garages.. At the junction of Horns Road with Hamilton Avenue and Buntingbridge Road (see below), there is a wide garden and pavement on the south-west, and a new(er) property to the north-east, which suggests the line. I have spoken with an older former resident who recalls seeing the Cran Brook flowing here, before it was fully covered over - possibly (probably) before WW2 - and it is still possible to hear running water here if you stand to cross the road. Beyond that, the course appears to run by the foot of Abbey Road (curiously truncated westward), and beneath Netley Road and the junction of Chase Lane and Perkins Road. There is a new-build property with suspiciously deep ground floor here - maybe 6’ below the level of the pavement. The Cran Brook would then run beneath the Sainsbury’s car park a little to the west of the blue gates in the video, and on beneath the Sainsbury’s supermarket, under the Central Line, and on into the meadow beyond. Google Maps does indeed label the waters here as Cran Brook. At the right time of year, the water meadows (just to the south of Oakside Stadium, the former home of Barkingside FC), are swathed in buttercups, and horses do graze, as you surmised. From the train, it really does look distinctly rural. Bunter’s Bridge is shown in “Wyld’s New Topographical Map of the Country in the Vicinity of London” c1872, where it appears to carry (what is now called) Horns Road across the Cran Brook. mapco.net/wyld1872/wyld08.htm Also in “Cary's Actual Survey of the Country Fifteen Miles Round London. On a Scale of One Inch to a Mile”, 1786 books.google.co.uk/books?id=LL_w05Q-7EAC&dq=%22bunter%27s+bridge%22&source=gbs_navlinks_s Finally, I found a mention of Cranbrook (sic) and Bunter’s Bridge in this document: “Military reflections on the attack and defence of the City of London”, George Hanger, Baron Coleraine, 1795. Hanger proposed that “...this Cranbrook rivulet should...be deepened by a sluice...and protected by a work...” books.google.co.uk/books?id=jjBfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=%22bunter%27s+bridge%22&source=bl&ots=-Z0rGJd6oG&sig=ACfU3U2dOEJ90gxQo5D1YIwtv8fnZD6cmA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7h6nDg6frAhVHY8AKHdLGA20Q6AEwAHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22bunter's%20bridge%22&f=false
@andrewbeaven6190
@andrewbeaven6190 4 жыл бұрын
The Ilford Historical Society have more on the Defence of London and the “Roding Line” in their May 2020 newsletter: ilfordhistoricalsociety.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/2/2/11222518/april_mini.pdf
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
great stuff thanks Andrew
@richardholmes4552
@richardholmes4552 4 жыл бұрын
Love your films, especially in the borough of redbridge. just a note that i remember watching essex play cricket in valentines park in the 80's, I think they did 1 week a year there
@aethellstan
@aethellstan 4 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid that stopped a few years ago, with Essex no longer playing in Ilford as one of their "touring grounds" I believe Ilford CC still play there though and it is still well maintained.
@steveholmes11
@steveholmes11 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely little ground. I remember Keith Boyce, and later Graham Gooch bombarding the 169 bus that trundles down Cranbrook road just outside. Dad played for Ilford, and there was plenty for a young son to do at the ground. Run up and down the terraced steps by the road, or behind the Bowling green. Help operate the pull-over scoreboard, or wander down to the boating lake. England Captains Graham Gooch, Nasser Hussian, plus bowler John Lever (also Nasser's father) all played at Ilford.
@LDNLaura
@LDNLaura 4 жыл бұрын
Love watching these videos. I live in the area myself and am always walking, especially during the summer. I'm half expecting to spot you filming one day.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Laura- we’re bound to bump into each other one day
@cazmaj
@cazmaj 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid, such a knowledgeable guy you are for sure! Thanks mate :)
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks cazmaj
@Mick_Holland
@Mick_Holland 4 жыл бұрын
👍🏼What a lovely film, John. And a marvellous, romantic ending - even though you may have been ankle deep in sludge. Your films have inspired me to take up suburban rambling around Leicester. We have quite a few buried streams and brooks worthy of investigation that feed into the river Soar thence onwards to the mighty Trent! Cheers 👍🏼
@user-zc6jc5tv6q
@user-zc6jc5tv6q 4 жыл бұрын
Another great watch John! Thank you
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
cheers Sean
@JohnEades
@JohnEades 4 жыл бұрын
Hi John, I have spent many a happy hour in Valentines Park in my younger days, played a lot of cricket there & played on the pitch & putt back in the day. Valentines Park is/was actually two parks, Valentines & Cranbrook. Valentines being the front section nearest Ilford Town Centre joining around the mid point with Cranbrook. Essex had a cricket week there every year up until the mid to late 90's from memory. Thank you once again for the fantastic content, always gives me a lift on a Sunday :)
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for those memories and notes John - never realised Valentines was actually two parks
@cgj3888
@cgj3888 4 жыл бұрын
A great walk taking advantage of the good weather Take care keep healthy SMILES 👍🇬🇧👌
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks C Gj
@FIO6271
@FIO6271 4 жыл бұрын
John thanks so much for this beautiful content once again! Love how the arquitecture of the park adaptes to the flow of the water stream, it looks so peaceful and hopeful
@michaelmcvey9282
@michaelmcvey9282 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I lived there and delivered milk as a lad so know the streets very well. Where John goes into Valentine’s park , opposite is a building on the corner where you can see the brook, or you could 40 years ago! The street names you refer to are the ‘commonwealth estate ‘. Essex played at the lovely ground in the park that runs along the cranbrook road, at the top where you left the park was a Lido and a model boating lake and behind Newbury Park was ‘the Barley Mow’ sports ground where my school played football, probably built on now. Enjoyed your walk.
@line2bassman80
@line2bassman80 3 жыл бұрын
I've lived in Ilford for 30 years now and I was sure there was an open air pool up near the Perth Road entrance when we first came here in 1991. I presume that was the lido. Today there seems to be no trace of it and I wondered if I'd imagined it. They seem to have demolished it when I wasn't looking and grassed over so well that you'd never know it had been there.
@sabuzacwalker3822
@sabuzacwalker3822 4 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to your London trip, it's so beautiful, I'm leaving a gift to my new friend👍🚶‍♂️👏♥️
@lycan36
@lycan36 4 жыл бұрын
Another great vlog John, I so wish you could bottle your enthusiasm! looking forwards to your next adventure. All the best to you and your family.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks so much Shaun
@richarddiver1562
@richarddiver1562 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video of a place I know well. At 19:20 you pan out across Ilford Cricket Club’s third eleven pitch which isn’t where Essex used to play. The Ilford CC first team ground and clubhouse, which used to be one of the Essex CCC out-grounds, is back on the park’s Cranbrook Road border.
@williamross2579
@williamross2579 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. These vids are so interesting and calming. Perfect after a night shift 😊
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
wonderful to hear William
@streetrambler134
@streetrambler134 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful walk John, chilled and very informative.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Street Rambler
@marcbrewster1966
@marcbrewster1966 3 жыл бұрын
A great video of my child hood area, I lived in Cantley gardens & the road would flood during heavy rain, the Cran brook actually runs in the back gardens of Cantley gdns & Yoxley drive. They put a large pipe in the ground circa 1930.s when these houses were built to take the flow of water, but its still floods to this day, keep up the good work!
@john80c
@john80c 4 жыл бұрын
Love these walks along the underground rivers. Our major rivers here, the Potomac and Shenandoah are above ground as are the various tributaries. There may be underground streams in Washington but that's about it. Unlike the Roding and Lea we cannot walk the rivers and streams as they are on private or government land and so would have to kayak them.
@MalcolmOakley
@MalcolmOakley 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in Ilford near to Valentine's Park and would spend hours there after school. Fishing for sticklebacks on the small cascade at the boating lake. I'm sure I can remember shouting down the pipes in the park as the Cranbrook went underground. I don't remember them being behind a grate in the '70s. Is the culvert still at the Wash? The building opposite the park gates was (still is) a telephone exchange and Cranbrook flowed for a few feet around the building before entering a culvert under the road. For many many years I've always wondered where the exact source was. Thank you for this amazing trip down memory lane. I moved away from Ilford in 1982, living in many other areas you have walked around. Now in South Devon minutes from Dartmoor. If you're ever down this way please do say hello.
@raymondferry3892
@raymondferry3892 4 жыл бұрын
yes john i remember valance park very well having been raised in barkingside the state cinema
@jacoblandsman5362
@jacoblandsman5362 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve lived in Barkingside all my life and never known about all the history, very interesting and great to learn
@migs6278
@migs6278 4 жыл бұрын
Strange but I thoroughly enjoyed the watch 👍
@mariana4059
@mariana4059 4 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyed this walk, thank you, John. Especially the cinematic references. I loved Another Year, and what a treat to see the allotments on one of your walks. The Edith Thompson case is very sad - I see that a film about the case was made in 2001, called, coincidentally, Another Life.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it Mariana - I'll have to take a look at the Thompson film, you can imagine what Hitchcock would have done with that story though
@Heinz57ish
@Heinz57ish 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Almost home John . .. one day you'll get as far as Goodmayes and find something of interest there.
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
maybe on the next walk Trinity
@Heinz57ish
@Heinz57ish 4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnRogersWalks i shall watch avidly in anticipation!
@Ange1166
@Ange1166 4 жыл бұрын
great film enjoyed following it on google map
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Angelo
@abishar7764
@abishar7764 4 жыл бұрын
This is so interesting because I literally live in Newbury Park and I’ve never known about this
@diannereeks1150
@diannereeks1150 3 жыл бұрын
Love valentines park. Went there Saturday for a walk
@TaliyaDarling
@TaliyaDarling 4 жыл бұрын
I grew up in this area and went to the primary school just down the road from belgrave road.. this took me down memory lane. Thank you for this video.
@daveconyard8946
@daveconyard8946 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you John Keep Safe, Dave
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Dave
@ajaakayare3960
@ajaakayare3960 3 жыл бұрын
It's beautiful
@timosullivan1
@timosullivan1 4 жыл бұрын
Hi John another great video I found it very interesting looking forward to your next one
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
thanks Tim
@gizzy7043
@gizzy7043 3 жыл бұрын
I wasn't planning on watxhing this video but then got hooked. Really enjoyed watching this and so interesting to know the history of the things we just take for granted. Thank you for sharing a great educational walk through history 😊👍.
@MrSavvynet
@MrSavvynet 3 жыл бұрын
So interesting, thank you for making this video. Seeing Valentines Park in particular brought back many childhood memories, jumping across the river, between the concrete banks. The roads around it were indeed named after Canadian, Australian and New Zealand cities - that area was known as the Commonwealth Estate and was where I was born.
@maryammahmood7260
@maryammahmood7260 4 жыл бұрын
Please also make a video of Newbury park ,area around Memorial heights. Thanks
@JohnRogersWalks
@JohnRogersWalks 4 жыл бұрын
I certainly will Maryam - in the meantine Newbury Park features in these videos kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbSYoLyi08W6fp8.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nKyIe91hq8-8m4E.html
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