Walther's PDP Steel Frame: Duty or Race Gun?

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We've been a fan of Walther's PDP lineup since it first came out. The PDP provides a ton of value for the dinero. The new PDP Steel Frame does exactly what it says, replaces the polymer frame with a steel frame. Allegedly it is the marriage between duty and race.
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06:39 - Grip and primary features
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@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

No clue why the comments are off. Sorry everyone

@lentztu 2 ай бұрын

I’ve noticed that on a few random channels this week. Weird bug in the matrix?

@BrianKern2121 2 ай бұрын

Comments are the second best part of this channel after Finn

@joshmajor8662 2 ай бұрын

KZfaq is doing that to SEVERAL channels as of late!! Fair warning

@BB-yh5rd 2 ай бұрын

I like the off comments. Guns, golf and beer are all so subjective and 99% of the population is so bad at all of them that I enjoy the camaraderie inherent in disagreement.

@42ATK 2 ай бұрын

My comments were off as a baby channel; I think it was due to having some form of 'advertising' (was just trying to get my buddy some clicks to his website)

@ArtistryBranson 2 ай бұрын

Crispy, yet again. Your photography and editing are just superb. Well done!

@CrispysOverlandAdventure 2 ай бұрын

Thank you sir!📸

@OSCOCAT 2 ай бұрын

You got me so good with that ad at 10:05 I actually watched it. You have beaten me and thus I bow before you, humbled, watching your damn ad.

@Bad_Rattle 2 ай бұрын

I recently picked up a PDP Professional Acro. Absolutely fantastic gun! Also, those who are saying to buy a Canik for less… If you want a Rolex, you want a Rolex and a Steiner won’t do it. Sure it looks the same, it still tells the time and it’s made out of steel… Still not a Rolex.

@danhoskins2730 2 ай бұрын

Always great to watch. One of my favorite go to.. waiting to see if y'all do the Mac 9 ds soon.

@QuantumTactical 2 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for this review. You are spot on! I am generally speaking a hammer fired gun guy however, my Q4 SF is a gun that I so enjoy shooting that I take it to the range with me nearly every time I can. The weight is perfectly centered over there, and while she is heavy, the balance is perfect. I was a little concerned by the high bore axis, but like you guys, I was unbelievably surprised by how soft shooting a firearm this is. The trigger is otherworldly for a striker fired gun and dare I say easily matches many if not, most of my hammer fired guns. I would take my Q4 SF to a competition any day, if I didn’t have so many other firearms to shoot… However, it has made its way into my rotation at the range, and even in my appendix. My big question is what is the difference between the Q4 SF and the PDPSF in 4 inches?

@ianray8823 2 ай бұрын

Shot timer beep to channel promo is absolutely how you do it, never change, fellas

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

Honey dicked everyone on it

@BB-yh5rd 2 ай бұрын

Damn, B+ from a guy with a ZZ Top level beard, on the curve that's really solid. I've struggled emotionally with the Walther PDP for going on 3+ years. I'm emotionally attached to the 1911, the Glock 17 and the CZ 75 all for completely different reasons. But for $600 the PDP is a smoke show. I don't like red dots at all but the weird combination of both my PDPs and the Holosun 507 with the green reticle remains a mystery to me, it's accurate and fun to shoot. Guns and golf are very similar to me, people get way into the tech of stuff, start focusing on handicap or "groups" and lose sight of the entire reason for doing both. I like the mountains on this channel, shooting outside is just really fun.

@cnclife2739 2 ай бұрын

That was some big A-zone steel targets. Looks like c-zone steel on camera.

@jaredwheeler3391 2 ай бұрын

I love my PDP compact 4" I would love a Full size steel frame for the range but so expensive.

@1214mpickett 2 ай бұрын

I bought my polymer 4.5 for $600. I love it but I definitely don’t see where the extra $1100 is coming from. Whew!

@kingpapua 2 ай бұрын

Tough sale for me. Love my standard 4” pdp. But for $1600 steel frame I’m getting a shadow 2 or saving $700ish and going canik full steel

@wongkeebs4327 2 ай бұрын

Q4/Q5 SFs are about 1k at PSA. Compact sized grip tho.

@MrDucatiV4 4 күн бұрын

This Walther PDP SF is a solid $1,200 gun. A CZ Shadow 2 OR & Beretta 92x performance OR will have the same ability as Walther but at a price of $1,200!

@williamhedrick7983 2 ай бұрын

A couple good watch / firearm pairings with good stories KAC CQB / Tudor pelagos Hawkeye & SIG SG 551 / Pelagos FXD French Nationale

@mcwrekx1998 2 ай бұрын

Reasons why Jake is undefeated in going to hell: THAT FUCKIN BLUEBALL @ 10:05

@handroids1981 2 ай бұрын

This is the first time I'm Hell sending F!reBeard.

@BrianKern2121 2 ай бұрын

Tonight on 1911 Syndicate: KZfaq officially hates the channel, a 98% German man plays with a german gun, and Jake forgets his stage plan.

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

lol

@VenomousKills 2 ай бұрын

As someone who works in the industry I don't know if I could justify the cost for just a metal frame, The PDP pro is excellent. Just cant justify this one on price alone.

@mattolfson9230 2 ай бұрын

Interesting, interesting! I like the whole concept of pairing watches and guns.

@luciensur 18 күн бұрын

Considering the fact that the Walther pdp is the main competitor of the Glock 19, then Walther did something that Glock did not. He made the main pistol in iron. This pistol can serve you well for 100 and perhaps 200 years. Can the Glock 19 do it? When I buy this reliable iron friend, my grandson will thank me when he gets behind the wheel of my old Dodge Challenger Hellcat

@ArmedVengeance 2 ай бұрын

I would run it on duty if my department allowed me to carry my own gun for sure! Gonna pick one up at some point. I have only shot the polymer one but the steel made me wet when I held it in the store

@handroids1981 2 ай бұрын

That's not normal, you should probably see a doctor about that. My partner, who is a doctor, says they have never experienced that.

@LegalGunSmoke 2 ай бұрын

Yea that’s not normal

@jasont8292 2 ай бұрын

That shot timer plug 😂😂💀

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

lol. Dirty move I know

@Chrisblau 2 ай бұрын

Gotcha didn’t it 😂😂😂

@R0ckGT390 2 ай бұрын

Excited to see what you guys think of this one!

@R0ckGT390 2 ай бұрын

@1911syndicate8 I'm here for it!!! ❤️

@chrisjosekuehl 2 ай бұрын

I understand the concept of duty and competition mixed but for a duty gun, nobody is going to want to have that weight on their hip all day. Maybe they will do an aluminum version.

@Vante512 28 күн бұрын

Great video. I think the 5” match SF or even the 4.5” SF would be closer to the “unholy union between duty gun and race gun”. The 4” is dope. The 5” Match SF is another level though. I own mine and it’s an absolute pleasure to shoot. It’s like shooting a BB gun 😂 I used to think “it’s too expensive”. Then when I shot my polymer 5” PDP next to my Steel Frame 5”… NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENT. They’re worth the money in my opinion. I paid for mine. No social media influencer freebies. This is a solid 2011 alternative. I was on the fence about the staccato P vs the 5” match SF. After shooting the P…the 5” was a better experience for me. Maybe 30% softer in my configuration as well. I recommend anyone who thinks they’re not worth it: find one or someone who owns one and shoot it.

@willy4869 2 ай бұрын

Or....hear me out....the G34 has been running in races for a long time now and is pretty light to carry for duty or ccw.

@brodyz8327 2 ай бұрын

The performance trigger itself is worth its weight in gold… I upgraded the trigger in the polymer frame and it made a world of difference. I like Walther but the steep price point on the steel frame is a reach for sure. Mind you I own 2 PDPs, a 4” and 4.5” polymer pistol. The issue is always the parts and aftermarket support… it’s slim pickings and very little info on the upgrades.

@gtspdracer2 2 ай бұрын

What multi cam jacket is that? It's sick

@donio8194 2 ай бұрын

Great review Like always.

@TMFShooting 2 ай бұрын

Great Video Guys 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

@JS-wg9ff Ай бұрын

Wait so 5 inches is full size? Hell yea can’t wait to tell my girl 😎

@chrisjosekuehl 2 ай бұрын

How would you say this compares with the shadow 2 compact? I know it’s heavier.

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

Don’t have the side by side experience I have that opinion

@Chrisblau 2 ай бұрын

Been wanting to try that pistol out so maybe we’ll match them head to head in the future

@josephmatuszak3855 2 ай бұрын

No worries gents. Also wanted to note - by same volume/design, a full metal frame often even sends the rounds a bit faster as more energy and slower slide movement adds to increased total compression/burn. (Less energy being send backwards than forward as the bullet is less resistance than the weight behind it, it's not by much, but is measurable as a small variance on bench testing)

@ArmyGreensTanBoots 2 ай бұрын

I have a fullsized polymer PDP and an earlier PDP compact, love the grip, love the look, and love to shoot them. A little snappy, but a good grip fixed that. I want to buy this steel frame compact, but there were no IWB holsters for it. Fuck. 🙄

@TheRancor53 2 ай бұрын

Tough sell for a thousand more just for a steel frame, but damn they shoot nice. More home defense/competition than carry or duty.

@wisco_guy 2 ай бұрын

Love the channel gentlemen! In my opinion, the polymer frame PDP sucks! Mine had terrible fit/finish and was snappy as hell. Very nice trigger, but very disappointing overall. Maybe the steel frame is truly better? I’m glad you disclose to your viewers when a manufacturer sends you a product for you to review. Unfortunately, the manufacturer also cherry picks what is sent, which negates the review a little bit. Not a jab at you guys, but marketing in general.

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

It’s possible but I’ve seen plenty of manufacturer sent guns not so well so I think it’s all hit and miss

@Osprey1994 2 ай бұрын

Pretty sure some dude made it to GM with a G26. PS. His name is Tony Wong, Humble interviewed him.

@DeanWegner 2 ай бұрын

Great job fellas

@richdubbya 2 ай бұрын

The PDP has one of the top triggers for a polymer pistol. But $1600 for the steel model sounds a little Gucci... Also consider Canik is doing it for a fraction.... And dare I say SIMILAR quality (IMO Canik stole the Walther trigger)..

@chrisjosekuehl 2 ай бұрын

In my opinion Canik has a better trigger especially the Rival or the Mets pro which I like more than the rival and like you said for a fraction of the cost.

@pastorjoshv 2 ай бұрын

How is $1,699 unrealistic? The Shadow 2 Compact is $1,299, the Dan Wesson DWC Compact is $1,699 and , yeah, if you want garbage like Taurus for $250, go ahead and be paupers. It’s not unrealistic, you just can’t afford it. Will someone please be honest for once?

@filthyvibes4768 2 ай бұрын

Lol, the pdp is dogshit compared to the shadow 2 and DWX. Don't ever speak again

@pastorjoshv 2 ай бұрын

@@filthyvibes4768 You mean the non-optic cut DWX and the aluminum frame Shadow 2? And I’M the one who shouldn’t speak again? That’s cute. You must carry appendix too, don’t you?

@filthyvibes4768 2 ай бұрын

@@pastorjoshv shadow 2 is steel dipshit

@filthyvibes4768 2 ай бұрын

@@pastorjoshv lol

@UltimateEnd0 9 күн бұрын

@@filthyvibes4768 He's talking about the shadow 2 compact which is fair to compare to the PDP sf compact dipshit

@peterlowell7963 2 ай бұрын

10:05 Nice

@chrisjosekuehl 2 ай бұрын

You can save a ton of money on mags by buying Canik mags.

@chrisjosekuehl 2 ай бұрын

I wonder if walther regrets letting Canik make a clone of the p99, because Canik has definitely taken a lot of Walther customers.

@keenanschouten2582 2 ай бұрын

instead of adding more weight to the gun add more more more weight to your deadlift to manage recoil.

@Ryanhinchcliff 2 ай бұрын

Comments are welcome

@googlechicken 2 ай бұрын

The Polymer PDP Pro SD has a better trigger and a threaded barrel for half the cost I’m net impressed with the SF at all there is no way it’s 800 dollars better than the Pro

@handroids1981 2 ай бұрын

NEXT WEEK ON 1812 SINDIECATE: What? Is it American Friday already??

@handroids1981 2 ай бұрын

Cryspy Visuals sweeting bullets RN... Brnng brnng! I dare you to answer it.

@ChrisDamascus 2 ай бұрын

First! As I’m still watching it.

@slyfoot0605 2 ай бұрын

Would you wait for the trijicon RCR to ship Or acro P2 for a edc

@Ryanhinchcliff 2 ай бұрын

I like your hat

@daltonnko9901 2 ай бұрын

Be as invasive as possible with the watch and gun pairings please

@Kelly-oq9nh 2 ай бұрын

Good again gentlemen.

@jeffmiller4098 2 ай бұрын

Jake, thoughts from a lefty on this gun?

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

Big fan, totally lefty friendly

@ytty5183 Ай бұрын

IIRC Automatic watches ⌚️ don't play well with recoil. 😬

@rickpineo2588 2 ай бұрын

It’s cool. But it’s not LTT PX4 cool 😎

@thebigblah13 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely love Walther products. Their customer support is dog water tho lmao

@tehhunter2003 2 ай бұрын

My big takeaway: Jake likes a big... palm swell 😅

@riotman2020 2 ай бұрын

Fatty grips

@UltimateEnd0 9 күн бұрын

Grab it by the palm swell

@kevinking330 2 ай бұрын

❤

@stevecline8666 2 ай бұрын

Steel frame Walther or new cz shadow compact ?

@camerondickinson831 2 ай бұрын

Walther steel gets my vote.

@Osprey1994 2 ай бұрын

CZ Shadow 2 Compact. I own a PDP and the CZ is a better shooter, even the P-07 is better.

@Noc___ Ай бұрын

@@Osprey1994 you own a steel pdp? compact?

@sorenxoo3995 Ай бұрын

@@Osprey1994 Do you own a Walther PDP steel frame? Most people say that the steel version shoots much flatter than the polymer. I think the comparison between the Shadow 2 Compact and the PDP SF Compact would be really interesting. I want to buy one of the two. Unfortunately, there are hardly any comparison videos with the PDP SF Compact. I live in Germany and guns are generally much more expensive here. The MSRP for the PDP SF and the S2C is 1900 euros for both...

@TengoUnGatoEnLosPantelones 12 күн бұрын

@@sorenxoo3995I had the shadow 2 compact sold it and went with the pdp compact steel. Much prefer the steel pdp as it really is much softer shooting than the cz and that is a fact.

@googoat 2 ай бұрын

Def should be around 900 but 1600 is way too much for what u get

@Thejeff1911 2 ай бұрын

How do I post a comment?

@handroids1981 2 ай бұрын

don't ask me, I got no idea!

@peterlowell7963 2 ай бұрын

Good question.

@handroids1981 2 ай бұрын

@@peterlowell7963 Good answer.

@mcondon23 2 ай бұрын

Comment why I can

@noquartergiven7789 2 ай бұрын

The German Hi-Point

@AZCactusTac 2 ай бұрын

Is it me or does Chris sound like he’s reading a script from the Walther marketing department?

@Chrisblau 2 ай бұрын

I think my track record has shown that’s not the case with any manufacture. Was up front and honest this entire review

@AZCactusTac 2 ай бұрын

@@Chrisblau duly noted. I would be interested in learning a little more detail on the B+ ranking and what specially kept it from an A. Was it only price or were there other characteristics that made you drop to a B+?

@BrandonD 2 ай бұрын

I don’t see a $1600 gun though

@rfd339 2 ай бұрын

You're paying for machine and person milling steal and man hours. Polymer is molded and limited drilling.

@djgsc9870 2 ай бұрын

AMEN

@BrandonD 2 ай бұрын

@@rfd339 my guy there are no man hours 😂they are not hand dirtied like Stacatto , atlas etc.

@Osprey1994 2 ай бұрын

Aluminum framed guns run in the 700-1500 range depending on what is offered...this gun uses steel which is going to increase wear on the machines, so the price break down makes a fair bit of sense. At the end of the day, you're not forced to buy one. Plenty of good guns out there.

@VoskiTheTech 2 ай бұрын

Right man I want one so bad but at that point get a shadow or staccato etc

@BB-yh5rd 2 ай бұрын

In the real world, what's the difference between "race" and "duty?" You could carry 10 different pistols or go with Occam's Razor.

@CT-Woods Ай бұрын

Many race guns are super smooth to shoot, but can struggle in adverse conditions like mud or dust better. This isn't always true, but it's enough of a difference to be noticeable. No firearm is perfect, but "duty" pistols are something you can use "in the field" and reasonably expect to work despite environmental factors. A lot of race gun designs (IE flared mag well, ported slides, hair triggers and light recoil springs) ultimately are undesirable when used for more practical, everyday duty use. You will find these features to induce points of failure or even just simply be annoying for the operator to manage with a uniform or a vehicle. I would further add that the biggest thing is cost. A department is not going to spend money on a steel frame PdP because the frame is more solid or it shoots lighter. Departments have budgets and go with an affordable, yet reliable, option for their officers/contractors.

@Marine778917 2 ай бұрын

Ask your mom about my rail geometry

@1911syndicate 2 ай бұрын

lol

@TacticalToolBelt 2 ай бұрын

Race gun is a REACH lmao beautiful pistol nonetheless

@M0onM0nkey 2 ай бұрын

Sorry walther but Canik exist..under 1K for my steel frame, under 1K for my TTI, under 800 for Rival..sometimes clones are just,..better

@garydol9363 2 ай бұрын

…better? Nah!

@Jason_The_Man 2 ай бұрын

That price is unrealistic

@professorwalnuts2470 2 ай бұрын

Don’t lay your lady’s down like that 😤

@pastorjoshv 2 ай бұрын

So many people have so little idea what they’re talking about. It’s not unrealistic. It’s a for-profit company in a capitalist society. Stop complaining.