gaijin on there way to make the Italian air tree as unappealing as possible.

The F104S is actually incredible in air sim, not that it matters because only 3 people play air sim

f104s are really fun, like the f104a is just really fun to play... because its at 9.3 and does well. The missiles the F104S TAF carries and how it plays is not worth it at 11.0, if it was at a lower br i think it would definitely be worth it as it is an amazing plane, and you could do VERY well

Well the first problem isn't that you wanna spend $70 dollars nor fly an f104 at 11.0, nah its the fact you wanna grind out Italy.

I bought the F104S-TAF when it was in 10.7.And 9 out of 10 matches i get f5c and a10's as enemy and at that time, it was very op against those vehicles.Now in 11.0 ,not really bad but it does can bomb bases very quick and escape very fast from enemies.I have grinded 6.7M in silver lions and 1.3M in research points.If youre still playing this vehicle ,just bomb bases and run back or try to take enemies that are premium noobies

back when this thing was on 10.7 it was very pleasant, once it got moved to 11.0 - never touched it

As someone who only play SB nowadays, the opposite is true for me, this thing is honestly the most potent SB mount I have mainly due to the sheer speed advantage it has over the most common enemies I face. This thing for some reason sits at 10.3 in SB and there's never a lack of food in the form of A-10's and SU-25's and if I ever find myself in an empty room, those magical tiny wings can somehow carry enough ordnance to blow up a base in one run, it's especially nice coz it can drop the bombs at supersonic speeds.

Now since the f104s is on 11.0 it should get the aspide missels because its on the same br as the F4E with aim-7e2.

I bought a talisman for the regular 104s and I use it in sim. It s a very good plane there, especially now that they added new brackets and it's not constantly facing top tiers. Also I think the matchmaking system in sim is waaaay better than rb. All planes are useful at least once a week and there is no plane that is always frustrating no matter what

from watching defyn a lot, ive become a lot more grateful for having a gun in my J35XS, hard to use since no tracers and its only one far to the right 30mm, but its gotten me a fair few kills in turning and head ons that wouldnt have been possible with only missiles

The plane is also known as the flying coffin in Turkey lol

Wooooo new walvis vid I really like your content, keep up the good work

Honestly fantastic review of the F104S. Big thumb up, would like to see more of this kind

In Air SB however this thing is a monster, it sits at 10.3 and the way BR brackets work in sim you can get into 9.3-10.3 match every single time You zoom around at 1400 kph and sling 6 missiles at oblivious attackers who barely have enough skill to fly straight and bomb bases To be fair I havent flown 104S yet, but I had many great games in german 104G at 10.3 and that plane is much worse with weaker engine and less missiles

I have Italy ground grinded out in full so I bought this to bully heli's and drop occasional bomb loads in ground rb. For that, it works just fine. The second you spawn, dive down to the ground and fly around the map to get near heli bases and then just boom and zoom them till they stop spawning. Most ground rb players who buy their way to top tier don't know how to evade missiles either, so you can slaughter hordes of premium attackers too.

Sim is the reason why I think most of the Rank VII premium's are worth the money. Huge RP/SL bonuses, cheap fly-out costs, and depending on the day an insanely good BR matchup make almost all of them great and fun planes to fly.

For 70 dollars that snail better personally deliver a fully functional F-104 to my doorstep

As an italian main, i troughly enjoyed that small time frame when the Asa was the one of the best top tiers in the game. With the addition of the f16 and the mig29 all the f104 were sadly rendered useless. Thank god for the italian f16 tho

The same can be said about the Ariete. One of, if not the best, pure dogfighters at its BR, but almost always gets uptiered to the missile meta with no missiles or countermeasures. I stick to the G.91 R/4 for grinding the Italian air tree

F4s: 4x AIM9H, 4xAIM7F, PD radar, 11.3 104 TAF: 4x AIM9P, 2x AIM7E, Pulse radar, 11.0. .3 BR Is the difference between stomping and being powerless I guess 🤔

For me, the F104 has a stereo type of being the last player on the enemy team, against an F-14. Prolly because that happens to be all the time in the F-14

I have grinded every single vehicle in the Italy air tree using the F-104S TAF, and I love it. Don't get me wrong, the plane itself is utter dogshit, but across 400+ battles in it I achieved a win rate of 49% and... only 93 air kills. I understand that starfighters are *supposed* to be fighters, but the S TAF is a terrible fighter. What it CAN do, is go fast. Bring bombs, bind a flare button, enable your afterburner and for the love of god, learn how to evade radar and IR missiles. Once you've got that down, you're set to get bases in a large majority of your games - sometimes up to 4 bases per game, giving you hundreds of thousands of RP (Depending on if your team can win for you) If you REALLY want air kills, you can aim for a few head-ons, but know that they massively increase your chances of dying. PS, always fly to the left, unless you're mentally prepared for 3/4 of the enemy team to be flying on a collision course with you.

Only jet i ever bought on release, main italy and love the space needle. Sadly they uptiered it to 11.0 after like 2 weeks making it see constant uptiers and making it 90% useless

I was looking at this in the last sale. I went with the Ariete at 9.3 instead. Even without missiles or countermeasures, it's so fun to play and made grinding so much easier.

This thing was soo good if you where even slightly skilled at the game, I had a 70% win rate in 300 battles. I just pop flares and turn slightly if I ever had a missile at me

Italy was my fastest grind, early and mid tier are pretty OP imo, top tier is where Italy suffers. But man I love the star fighters, they’re so fun to fly

It was usable when it was 10.7 i have a 3kd with about 200 games in it and ever since it got 11.0 i have not touched it

Meh the saddest premium right now is the J2M5, thanks to the gun nerf you get 42 shots and 2/3rds of them are black puffs. Had one hit me 6 times in my 109 G6...no crits, just a slightly yellow fuselage. I felt so bad for the guy 😢

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as a near exclusive 104 player, this is a fun plane (not sure abt the premium but) i enjoy how the 104 flies and fights, and ive got 5 aces and 2 double aces with the 104 a and 104 c. its my favorite plane

I bought this plane when it was at 10.7 and I absolutely loved playing this jet. I’d shoot down F-5C’s all day long. But then it got up tiered to 11.0 and it’s just not the same anymore… i love playing my F-104’s and I have every one for the Italian Tech Tree. I use it to bomb bases now. But I will always miss using boom and zoom tactics with this place and it being fun… hopefully one day it gets down tiered again back to 10.7

if the BR ceiling becomes 12.3 (or even 13,0) and all the top-tier 4th gens get bumped up, this and things like the j7e will really come into their own. Until then, though, anyone dumb enough to spend $70 on a 104S at 11.0, gaijin will take your money, not thank you for your patronage, then wait for you to cough up another $70 as you realise your mistake

Joint worst with the ADTW imo, a plane with only regular 7E's and no agile eagle package at the same br as the F4E with both. Also no Guided CAS munitions (if you want to use it as CAS)

I had two back to back aces in the F-104S at 11.3, then got full uptiers the next 5 games in a row, getting maybe one kill if I was lucky. That thing stomps when it is downtiered, but an absolute victim when you have to face 11.7s or up

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I got this jet for the grind so i own it since it came out, was given to me more or less as a gift to try and do one of the nations i havent touched yet and get eventually the new 12.0 jets. That being said, at 10.7 i was unstoppable and probably part of the reason it got bumped up. I got at least 1 base and 2-5 missle kills every game garanteed. Yes you can carry enough bombs for a base and missles for days as if were. At 11.0 its a 50/50 if you get uptiered and its drastically less effective. But bare in mind at 12.0 you are going to always skirt the map, bomb a base and then use your speed to be a vulture with missle kills but do so on the way back to base. You can buy this, its 60% of the time a fun meatball, not much that it meets can keep up with you in most encounters. The other 40% is purely just full uptier and the issues it presents. Take this jet with a grain of salt, if you pick it up its great, i wouldnt say its worth 70 anymore either but im not as harsh, id say wait for pack sales, the 20-50% off ones and you want to grind italy up or even a good silver grinder. This all day. (Wait till after gaijin fixes economy though before giving them anymore money though)

I love how much common sense this man has

I used it in Air RB to grind Italy and had the most fun playing it while also doing well. My mind set is if you go into playing a vehicle knowing it’s shit you’ll do better and have more fun

The matchmaker is really rough on literally any F104, at 9.3 you’ll constantly get uptiered to face mig23’s, su25s, F8’s, harriers, just so many planes that are as fast as the f104 but have way better missiles, maneuverability, radar, and have countermeasures. Basically, be ready for pain.

i have over 750 battles in the tech tree F104S and i absolutely love this plane. if you play with discipline and think ahead its super effective.

I love the dutch airforce skin in the beginning, ik moet alleen nog mijn ziel nog opgeven om daar ooit te komen 🇳🇱

I love my 104A, honestly. I can't play any other jet at that tier because they feel so slow to me.

realism and unrealism totally mix perfectly together

As a F104S/ASA player you correct on all points I have the load out where you can mount the Aspides because I got it before the patch made it impossible to mount and even then you have to play like rat and finding a new target before you die I hope they can do something for the F104s' so they can be fun again at Top tier but I don't they will nor know how too

this tactic also applies to the MiG-21's and other Delta Wing Fighters like the mirage

Also I really hope they fix this planes matchmaker, it used to be so good 😢

Big brain play: Talisman the tree 104S when talismans are on sale instead. It will cost you quarter that for effectively the same plane with same grinding power...

Tip: Buying premiums from the steam marketplace is usually cheaper. sometimes they will be crazy markups like 14.99 for a p-26, but i've seen rank 6 jets go for 30

The best playstyle for this plane is go little bit to the left, wait for the furball to form, then rush to furball, kill slow planes with guns, fire missiles on nonsuspecting enemies and just fly through the furball and run, once you are decently away from the furball turn and repeat

i loved it so much pls make it 10.7 again :(

you know....when this plane come out(the TAF i mean)at 10.7 it was actually pretty decent and i really enjoyed it quite a lot. Unfortunately since its been moved up to 11.0 its unplayable since it has to face stuff like the F16,F14 and mig 29

I love the F104 A+C they’re my babies. Nothing is more fun than zooming around at 1300kph

Me who grinded out the 2 jap phantoms with the f104j: what do you mean this plane isn’t good? It’s a dream come true

Dude I didn't even know there was a Turkish jet! I'm totally buying this!!

I think I am partly responsible for pushing the tas up to 11.0 because I spent 12 hours seal clubbing in it when it was 10.7

minus the fake cliché laughs awesome video well done 👍🏻

Now that what i call a good player

I think u can still use the cannons with the radar missle, u can customize the preset.

Playing this in sim sounds horrifying with the speed of it

i saw someone grind the entire italian air tree with this in like 48 hrs

thank you for saving me the pain of deciding to buy this, I saw it and thought ooo drag plane with missles thought it would be really fun, didnt think it had a major problem geting uptiered all the time

with new sim br changes it's actually fun to play in asb, but i still don't think it's worth 70 usd.

its sad to see how bad Italian vehicles are cuz the whole reason i grinded Italy were F-104s

YAY NEW VID

So a slightly worse mig 21spk, when you turn you loose a lot of speed. With the mig you choose between countermeasures or the cannon.

well a year ago it was super op got me through Italian tech tree in a week

0:00 realistic F-104 gameplay

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I am one of the fools who bought it early on after a shill said this was the fastest way to the F 16. The tactic you have employed I figured out three matches in to my ownership and have stuck to that since. Once out of ammo I then RTB ans swap to AA arming.

As someone who has the plane and plays it very regularly. I find its best at bombing bases and definitely does not belong at 11.0. It stands no chance against Mig 29s, f16s, and f14s. It would work the best at 10.7 But when it does get downtiered i have some the best games i have ever had with it. Its fun but sucks

it was 10 7 on release when i bought it and it only got downtiers. was really fun now i hate it

Seems better than the British phantoms...

It’s called strafing a target when you doing the zoom and brrtttttt

I buy premiums to grind when I don’t have a lot of planes so this is something I would consider if i didn’t have it in the US tech tree I’d rather buy a different jet

How to play F-104S: 1) Add the letters ASA to the end 2) congrats now you are in the same plane but with better missiles and a better radar in essentially the same MM

solution to the starfighter problem, extend flaps fully, extend airbrakes and use afterburner

true. Just buy the OP ariete jet and grind through props while having fun

pepper ridge farm remembers when the 104S was 10.7

To be honest 70 dollars are not worth for any premium, thats the price of a damn AAA game or a full fidelity plane for a flight sim

So basically hug the deck to stay under the radar

meanwhile mirage f-1: *bonjur alert*

my problem with the italian f104's is that their claim to fame is speed, and just about everything at the same or even slightly higher br, is faster than it

dankjewel was aan het denken om te kopen maar lijkt toch niet voor mij.

I would still get it because i love Starfigthers

If im being honest. I’m actually insane with the 104. Even in uptiers I usually get 3-4 kills because of how people are level 5 premium buyers

You know what's weird. The F-104 was designed by Lockheed and now there’s 2 versions the F-104S from Italy there’s many confusing planes lol

I like the model your flying.. But i guess i just like pain :P

gotta love a 1956 jet going against enemies with 2009 tech packages

Should be a 10.7 plane tbh.

That plane makes me so sad because it looks so cool and fast

I think you misunderstood the porpoise (intended) of this masterful aircraft (I only use the TT one lol 16k SL funny). The point is haha plane go zoom. Haha missile go boom.

Man i got this when it was at 10.7 and fighting complete f5 teams was so fun just spamming missiles and getting tons of kills now i run from mig 29s and f 16s where i literally can't do anything

The mig 21 lazur m suffers too

I have to flicker my radar to get any lock 😭

I have a talisman on the f104s and have like 4kd. That is pretty average for me around this br. So it is pretty decent.

I bought the F-104 because I was depressed, now I'm fast. and depressed

in DCS if u will try 2 turn like these u probably gonna get in ur final flatspin

I get why that it’s at 11.0, and also don’t get why it’s at 11.0

i don't even like War Thunder🤣 But you got a subscriber because I laughed so hard I spilled my coffee an farted on my dog 15 SECONDS into this random video that auto played😂