What were your thoughts on how Wanda was portrayed and her motivations?

I loved Wanda as a villain but I just wished they showed more about how the Darkhold corrupted her since Strange did say that the book corrupts people.

That last line you said was right. I hope the MCU stops using her character to only give her grief after grief and then make her go crazy. It was fun while it lasted, but I think it's high time to give Wanda a long and hard journey down redemption road

I don't get what people don't understand about this. She was corrupted by the Darkhold. She basically turned into a more insidious more powerful Agatha Harkness. It's not rocket science and it doesn't need to be more complicated than that. The dark magic even corrupted Strange. The 616 version of the sorcerer might still be able to resist total corruption but we have yet to see in another installment.

I loved the moment where wanda calls Strange a Hypocrite

The best part about this version of Wanda was that I have been calling her Scarlet Witch the whole time. This movie makes a distinction between Wanda Maximof and her Hex Bolts and a full-blown Scarlet Witch with reality-altering power. That+ the Darkhold made her a match for Dark Phoenix. It was great!

I'm gonna treat this movie in the same vein as Captain America: Civil War, this was just as much about Wanda as it was about Dr Strange, I enjoyed it

I think Wanda is not done yet. In Wandavision, she say she admitted her mistakes but continues to pursue her family. I think she will us her powers to create a universe. And that maybe Clea recruit Strange at the end.

I was disappointed that director Sam Raimi & writer Michael Waldron didn’t watch WandaVision. They just watched a few keymoments of the show. I wish they watched all the episodes of WandaVision so that they can include scenes Wanda becomes a villain between WandaVision & MoM. I understand the Darkhold changed her, but they should have explained about that more.

If something was done right in this film it's the Scarlett Witch, like to see Marvel and how is paying off all the building of this particular character.

The Darkhold was introduced in Season 4 of Agents of SHIELD, and right away I knew it corrupted the people who read it. Come WandaVison, I knew what was gonna happen to Wanda when she started reading it in the mid-credits scene.

Wanda could make the multiverse implode and I’d still love her 😂

I can explain it in 5 seconds Corupted by darkhold and outfit changes to dark crimson/red outfit

I just had a thought: If when we dream we see what our multiverse self is seeing and dream walking is actually controlling them, then would Lucid dreaming be dream walking and sleep paralysis be us failing to control them, thus the reason it feels we are trapped and can't make any sound?

I think people in there love for wanda vision actually forgot that wanda has always been selfish she started as a villain after all. Her arc in wanda vision was making peace with vision s death and understanding her power so she turned to the only source she had . The thing is I don't think she even wanted to be a hero she just joined avengers because that's what was left for her. she can be good of course but through out her mcu journey we can see she has always been a bit resistant ,emotional and impulsive about things but there was always someone to look out and guide her about things like her brother, vision , the avengers but her greatest desire tho was always a stable love filled life which she was gona have with vision until she had to kill him. she finally had a taste of that in wanda vision but realized its fake and harming others she stopped . After that she is alone and darkhold was the only source to know about things when she saw her fake reality is a real reality somewhere she wanted that and lost herself completely in her desire this time she didn't have anyone to guide her in her head she is right and only doing all this because of her kids no one was gona stop her except her kids as strange realized and told america to let wanda see it for herself she finally saw who she has become from her kids eyes . I think the theme is she is her own worst enemy which is what marvel trying to show . And in future wanda would have to except both her good and evil side and find a balance in between .

Wanda turning full evil just came out of nowhere to me (yes, I understand she was corrupted, but honestly, it seemed like lazy writing to me). She redeemed herself at the end of Wandavision, it seemed like she learned nothing!

Be sure to watch WandaVision, but ignore any "lessons" that Wanda might have learned about grief while she was grieving for Vision...like the ones shoved in our faces during the Penultimate Episode....sigh...I would love to understand the actual reason for why Wanda was taken in the exact Opposite Direction that was indicated at the end of WandaVision... Also...her boys were created by Magic while she was inside a Magic Bubble of her own creation...how are there stable versions of them exactly? Who was their Father?

I did find it weird that in all of this Wanda never went looking for white vision.

Man that part where Wanda reunites with her kids and they were so scared of her they’re throwing their toys at her she screams out STOP IT getting emotional, that made me cry

I think this is a understandable Progression in the Context the movie provides us. Also, with everything her character went through, who wouldn't have snapped at some point. I'm just very happy the took this chance & created one of the best MCU Villains imo. And how they resolved the conflict at the end was incredible. Hope to see Wanda return sooner or later

I thought it would’ve made more sense for wanda to be driven by vision, since vision’s death js the catalyst to westview…and the fact that vision might have been the only person to have understood and accept wanda. But no…she goes on a multiversal rampage because of children she created with magic and stayed for what, like 3days? The action scenes and stuff was cool, but eh I’m not entirely happy abt how wanda was portrayed

The scarlet witch isn't really a bigger threat than the doctor Strange in a Multiversal spectrum. But the scarlet witch is definitely more powerful.

I don't like how Wanda being portrayed in this movie. All praise to Elizabeth Olsen, she is the real embodiment of the Scarlet Witch, but i was hoping for a more positive turn for Wanda fate. But instead, Marvel just added more tragedies to her life, like if your life is full of tragedies, you will eventually become a villain. I think it would send a really negative message to the audience. I was hoping to see Wanda learn to live with her pain, heal and make greatness out of her miseries. Hope that MCU would consider this in later projects. About the Darkhold corrupting her thing, I think this was what she brought on herself. Just like Agatha, they both chose to open it and practice the dark magic written on it. She never learned from what happened in Westview. I could sympathize for Wanda and understand why she snapped in WandaVision, but in this one, this was all on her. Even though being corrupted, Wanda didn't seem like someone who didn't aware of what she was doing. She could see clearly what she has become through her sons' eyes. She didn't seem like the Darkhold put her on its puppet strings. Therefore, she is responsible for those crimes she commited. My heart bled for her, but I thought Marvel could have done better on her character 🤷‍♀️

Olsen was INCREDIBLE in this movie. The Acting is what saved this movie...because the story makes no sense based on what has come before...Wanda's Children only existed in a Reality Bubble, but what this movie is saying is that Wanda actually COPIED them from the Multiverse and used her magic to create them in THIS Reality...so who was the Father? It sure doesn't appear to be Vision on Earth 838 where the Illuminati were...I mean....HOW does THAT Wanda even HAVE Children??????? Wouldn't it be easier to use Magic on 616 to recreate them? Even with Dark Magic??? There are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many Holes that this movie Alone creates....and that is of HUGE Worry for the MCU going forward. It appears we may need to be ready for sudden character shifts that make no sense (like how Wong, the Sorcerer Supreme, constantly talks about secrets that come with the mantle, that were never reveled to Strange I guess, but then he constantly defers to Strange in just about every situation, and do they remember Strange warping reality for Spider-Man or not???? That was really unclear.............bc if Wong remembers, it makes little sense that he would trust Strange as much as he does in this movie....)

At least now she looks like the Scarlet Witch of the comics 😍😍😍👍👍👍

I hope wand gets a solo movie and I think the high evolutionary should be a villain i mean he is in the scarlet witches comics

Wanda was great as well as strange.

Why do people keep calling it a drastic change? It’s literally foreshadowed throughout the entirety of WandaVision and Agatha is practically a reflection of what she becomes in Multiverse of Madness, the Darkhold latched onto her obsession with being with Billy and Tommy again so much so to the point that she is willing to kill an innocent girl in order to be with them again, it’s not until Chavez shows her what she’s become by showing how terrified her own kids are of her that she finally snaps out of it and realises what she’s become, I definitely don’t think she’s dead but I think she’s most likely faked her death and gone into exile somewhere in the multiverse

They literally cut the legs off of their own narrative. Her personal and emotional journey in Wandavision. Losing vision and creating the alternate reality to deny her pain. Then literally goes through the 5 stages of grief, and arrives at a place of acceptance and repentance about the wrongs she committed. And while the show wasn't that great, it was a damned beautiful character arc, imo. Then, in 1 short after credit scene, that's all undone by inserting a Mcguffin or "DarkHold" which basically "possess" Wanda into making her baby crazy? Besides being a terrible example of writing, you could argue it's some really problematic archaic "She's just Hysterical" bullshit. Hard Pass

She's now clearly the most powerful Avenger.

I felt that this Doctor Strange movie is part of Wanda's tragic story to her path of self-discovery to her happiness. Marvel should do a Vision series from the Tom King comics, which Vision create his own family to live in the suburbs and he gets there by meeting with his creator's wife Pepper Stark and she allow him to stay at one of Starks labs and there he has the necessary materials to create his family. The ending of that series Wanda makes a cameo appearance, but this is an after credit for what happens in Wong's movie, and you don't see Wanda and Vision together again unitil Wong's movie. Agatha Harkness, I think is getting a series which Marvel can explore how Agatha can help Wanda right after what happened in the MOM movie, she seeks Agatha's help as she warns Wanda, she will need but Wanda is unaware that a mystic force has been watching her and is coming to drain her powers Nightmare or Mephisto most likely Nightmare sent by Mephisto because she destroyed the Darkhold and Mephisto need to restore that corrupting source back into the multiverse. These ladies Wanda and Agatha join forces to take on Nightmare and get help from Wong because Doctor Strange is still off planet. Before all that is started Agatha inform Wanda that her kid's spirits are still on earth, and she can help her find them. Wong get his own movie this is where they Wanda, Agatha and Wong finish fighting Nightmare. This is where Vision who is not White Vision anymore because of what he went through in his own series is back to normal, but he finds Wanda at the...

I'm just thinking... She learned this lesson in Wanda Vision. But I guess you can't underestimate the power of PTSD and grieving mother can have.

I hope they come up with something cool for The Scarlet Witch! Love that character!

After what had happened to Xavier. I hope Dark Phoenix does not hunt Scarlet Witch down, that is if ever she survived that last scene. If she did survived, better say her goodbyes this time permanently.

Everything aside, has anyone else noticed how her costume now has these fracture lines running throughout? They radiate out from the spot where the heart is in the chest. Pretty neat costume detail I think.

I absolutely loved this Evil Wanda as the Red Witch. I even loved Hela from Thor Ragnarok. Maybe I just have a thing for female super villains.

We cannot fully blame her right? She was at her most vulnerable point. It was easy for the Darkhold to manipulate/corrupt her. And her desire for her to see her children again was just too much. It get so hard watching Doctor Strange and see her fall deeper. Redemption’s going to be so difficult now, if any. Hope this isn’t the last of her. My question is where is White Vision? I thought he had Vision’s memories. Why isn’t he in Wanda’s life. Why is Wanda not worried about him anymore? Also, there must have been another way for her to get her kids. I mean even if materialized with her power or something, or whatever but damn. It was just so hard to watch.

I love Olsen’s ability of breathing LIFE into the character role! She’s, if not the top/best, then heavy hitting artist performing to being brought to the heavy hitter lineup!!! IF one does NOT know the character’s true story, then they’ll be lost even with any changes potentially intro’d into MCU!!! Olsen’s outstanding, audience encapturing, TOP LINE PERFORMANCES or acting ability of the best performing across the MCU as accordingly as her role truly is in the comics that brings understanding to what TRUTH IS!!!!! She PROVES WHAT INTENT & EMOTION can do with vibrations and frequencies from energy forms...aka....life forces / spirit energies, universal & spiritual energies, and everything here today that IS energy; like rocks moving in the Death Valley Desert / National Park in Cali!!!! As THIS IS WHAT bending, borrowing, using energies around us and in conjunction WITH our own....just like a spell being the same as a prayer! The right text, words, thoughts United with the 98% of magic, prayers, etc IS EMOTION & INTENT so no need to utilize incantations (spoken or thought words) and sending the energies out from ourselves like being on blended knees during one’s shedding / cracking stages of life which not only brings us closer to our own inner darkness side as nature is both, depending on one’s perceptions & we realize exactly what we have inside us & what we are truly capable of...if not already known or realized yet as everyone has their individual breaking points impacted varied like we each are our own fingerprints as our own soul energy is the same!!!!! She’s the BEST performer in the MCU which is why she has won over sooooooo many new & older fans witnessing her creation bringing audiences into the movies / series / etc. ONE of her newest remarkable pieces in the MOM was that emotion, energy, intent, etc placed in the discussion with Strange in the air prior to attacking, when she said....”This IS me.....being............reasonable!” also the TRUTH being laid out like so many of us enlightened/ evolved / sensitives express.....Wanda: “Your hypocrisies” have exhausted my patience. . . . . Again, another point of real life where she shows & expresses herself LIVING HER TRUTH / ALIBI.....remaining true to one’s self is the ONLY WAY TO TRULY LIVE!!

Eh, the issue is more that Strange is so blasé or entirely uninterested about the fact Wanda isn't in control of herself. He's like "Meh, guess we have to kill her" after maybe 2 minutes of dialogue- he even knows she's not acting out as brutally as she wants to. And you could say "F-k you, that's not fair! She was being selfish, wah, wah, wah"....well, America only just showed Wanda to her kids and the Darkhold released her, that's it! She's didn't ever have to kill all those people if he appealed to her humanity FIRST. So if all you ever had to do was demonstrate for her what he children would think, that sounds a lot more logical than "Oh lemme make myself a zombie and get ghosts to wrestle her".

She dreamed about the sons every single night. And with darkhold she is capable of mentally jump to other realities to check and confirm. She started practicing it since end of wandavision. And every other realities, there are sons except earth 616. These turned her, slowly, one dream at a time. To understand you need to read between the lines and between shows.

Wanda has gone hardcore Stephen King's Carrie in this movie!

The dark hold is not dark magic wdf it’s , a direct connection to what she’s all ready using , chaos magic and back to the original owner of it. Y’all are lazy

Wanda was never actually bad, she was broken just like spiderman because she lost everthing (so did spiderman at the end of no way home) so they are pretty similar but wanda is practically slowly becoming a god

I could be wrong, but it seems they tried to do the “two different entities” thing with Wanda and Scarlet. Don’t remember it being like that in the comics? Not an expert on it though

Since there can only be one Scarlett witch per universe? I find it hard to believe that 616 wanda could just wipe out her other variants books which are so powerful. Arent the other Wanda's just as powerful and could have sensed that this was happening?

In case you were deaf and blind during the movie here’s Looper to explain the bloody obvious to you.

Wanda was like the CARRIE WHITE of MCU

Hearing this info kinda makes me feel sorry for Wanda. But sometimes villains have very tragic and heartbreaking backstory, so I can't really blame her for being a hero turned villain.

I love what you do

Dr.Strange gives thanos infinity stone so half the unviverse will die just to come back 5 years later so Iron man can sacrifice him self (total deaths = 1/total saved = half the universe) Wanda: kills most of Kamar-Taj several heros in in different multiverses in the result of saving 2 kids that said can destroy whole universes for just interecting too much ( Total deaths = 2 universes/total saved = 3)

Wanda is a phenomenal character who has seen her share of days both on the heroic side of the spectrum as well as the villainous but it's definitely getting very odd how so many people rush to whitewash her actions. She was the one who chose to resume Ultron's murder mission in Africa by haunting Bruce and the Hulk into going on a rampage, she was the one who chose to ignore everyone from Hayward to Monica to Vision to Agatha to the very people of Westview who were all telling her time and time again that she had them enslaved. It was how mentally unstable she was but unfortunately, as result, she, in her panic, even attempted to gaslight the poor citizens of Westview when they begged her to free their children from the room they had been locked in for a month while their parents desperately attempted to save their own minds from days spent physically being forced to live out a bizarre TV sitcom and nights suffering Wanda's nightmares, strangling them in response to their tormented pleas. While Wanda is a perfect example of the inner devastation and turmoil grief and suffering and loss can cause and outwardly express, and she deserves so much sympathy for her loss and her journey, it's very odd how a lot of fans are clambering, still, to defend her and argue against any accountability or responsibility for Westview simply because of her grief. Grief isn't an excuse, a get out of jail free card or a blank check to commit more grief onto others and that's the key part people are missing. I don't even blame Wanda for the Multiverse of Madness as the Darkhold had corrupted her (we saw the same it could do to Strange) but people ignoring her conscious decisions in Wandavision, regardless of grief, are very odd, to me.

What a mother would do for her children - it’s not even for Vision anymore. She didn’t even mention him the whole movie, it was all for the kids.

Being that Darkhold Wanda possessed the other Wanda that didn’t have the Darkhold, was that pure scarlet witch power that so easily took out the Illuminati? As well as Dr. strange? Or was the power somehow Transferred with the possession?

Is Wanda from earth 838 in her westview moment? Meaning soon she will become scarlet witch?

I get that she's corrupted by the Darkhold, but storytelling and character development should really be more than that. This movie make it seem like she didn't learn any lesson from Westview, but if you watch the last episode it's so clear that she did. Throwing it all away based on "Darkhold corruption" just seem so lazy and disrespectful. Plot-wise it all make sense, but from a story-telling perspective, eh.

I just watch this movie like 30 mins ago… omg this movie was dark! Lol

Show not tell. That was the problem with the writing. They kept telling us how the Darkhold slowly corrupts, but we don't see Wanda being corrupted just that she already is corrupted. We started the movie with her already gone dark, THEN being told what happened to her. It's lazy writing, disrespectful to her character who went on a beautiful emotional arc in her prior appearance, and creates what felt like a sudden drastic change. They could've spent like maybe 10-15 min in the beginning setting that up rather than just throwing us and her into this villainous turn and then using the lazy "Darkhold corruption" explanation after.

hated that they made her a villain and went with the "hysterical woman" route.

If you guys watching this then you are already dont care about spoilers Wanda's motivations makes no sense she's gonna travel in multiverse find one version of herself that has her kids kill that variant and gonna assume the role of their mother. What she cant pursue another recently single avenger member to make babies with ?

Do all the other wandas still have their children because they only have their probability magic so the odds r ever in their favor vs the scarlet witch n the like dark chaos magic

Wanda: female version of Anakin Skywalker.

Olsen’s acting skills carried the whole movie

Ok but isn’t every universe must have mount Wundergore as well ? Basically destroying Darkhold in every universe is useless

I've got many questions about Doctor Strange 2, and I wish that people could respond to them: Firt question is why does Doctor Strange refused to give Wanda her own reality? Next question is if Wanda is really dead?

I was expecting it to be like house of m and more about the X-men and her

How many people on earth need to learn to let go of the past to accept what happened in order to have a chance of happiness again? How many people take revenge, But it will mot make u feel better.

I didn't find the corruption very convincing in the movie, it feels more like it's just wanda doing this and the book is more of a side thing I didn't find it very great and it honestly ruined wanda for me

Wanda is my favorite

If "I'm about to Do EVERYTHING In My Power to See My Kids again" was A Person, it would be Wanda! 😩😅

Seriously, It’s hard for the director / producer / writers to please everybody.. In infinity war Wanda & Vision were ambushed by 2 Black Order. Haters: “complaining how weak they are being portrayed since the rest of avengers came to rescue them both” In End Game Wanda almost destroyed Thanos before being hit by missiles Haters: “Wanda is the 2nd if not the strongest avenger, its absurd she can’t dodge or create shield prior being hit” In Dr. Strange 2, Scarlett Witch defeated everyone, except eventually being “multiversely punched” by a kid. Haters: “it’s crazy she can easily defeated Dr. Strange, making him useless, her power don’t make sense” If… Wanda, Dr. Strange or Ancient One Is able to defeat all enemies, including Thanos, Dormamu and Galactus, therefore the rest of avengers / marvel superheroes are useless ? Each character has their own screentime to showcase their combat skills. MCU and avengers -> not only about 1 most powerful superhero Therefore, The writers need to adjust power and combat skills for all superheroes to create a realistic storyline to surprise and please the fans. ❤️💚

The darkhold doesn't give power or magic. It teaches you the truth, knowledge and spells. And you need magic to do the spells, so normal mortals are nothing with the darkhold but the knowledge.

Black Bolt 😩

For people who don't know the power of Darkhold, just watch Agents of Shield Season 4. The entire season is based around this book.

All I know is this is proof that Scarlet Witch is more powerful than Capt Marvel. She wreck Capt Marvel on that other Earth.

She *did* learn the lesson from Wandavision. The problem is Raimi didn't watch it so he fucked up the character development it established and ruined one of the best characters in the entire franchise. .

Wait… did she disappear? I thought she… you know…

I wish they didn’t excuse it to the dark hold corrupting her and that she was just so desperate to find happiness with her two boys

Remember the other avengers from the different dimension when they said they are afraid of Doctor Strange instead of afraid of Wanda BUT Wanda literally killed all them off-

She is my favourite why you did this to me!!!!!

What the heck is wrong with the voice in this vid ? Sounds like they slowed it down for some reason... Sounds odd lol

A flaw I find is why didn’t the writer remember this is a multiverse! So there must be a multiverse were her children have no mother! She could have gone there instead!

All she had to do was ask America to take her to a reality where her kids existed but she was dead. It's not called the infinite multiverse for nothing 🤷‍♂️

I wish Magneto would make an appearance and interact with Wanda. I wonder what he'd think of his daughter turning evil?

But she can re cast her spell if she wanted to and remanifest Billy and Tommy as they were. No “hex” required

So even though scarlet witch is very op, she can't force her desire in to existence

So the moral of the story is that severely emotional women are violent and hurt others in the process. Why does that sound so familiar recently? Where have we ‘Heard’ that before?

Explained: true right hand didn’t speak to the left one?

Wanda was a great villian I how she stays one but becomes like the main threat Ana everyone has to try to stop her

This movie was far better than Spiderman 3!!! I was disappointed that Wanda had to be the main villain but I understand her grief!!!

Dr Strange 2 is just a fantastic film. People will be watching this 20 years from now.

but something doesn't sit right with me . surely the dark holds corruption didnt wear off. she cant just drastically change after hearing her kids. here's my theory (I heard this from somewhere and extended upon it) she switched bodies in the scene where 838 wanda touches original wanda .then she says "know that they will be loved " assuring 838 wanda that she wouldn't terrorize them . then she used magic to control her ,make her destroy the dark holds so no other wanda tries this and attacks her new reality by chance . and maybe the 838 wanda regained conciousness at the last minute and protected her self (the red light in the smoke) . now she will seek help in this reality and overwork dr strange for the 4th time .

wanda feels like the dark phoenix of xmen

You know what i don’t understand is why she didt go out of the hex in the first place to give birth she could have still had her sons he she knew she was pregnet in timeb

My biggest disappointment was how utterly useless every other superhero was compared to her, including Dr. Strange. Even the other universe's Captain Marvel was more of an annoyance and not a real threat. She basically wiped out their entire Avengers team with hardly any effort or taking any real damage. Seemed way too powerful.

*The McGuffin made me do it!* - Wanda

I don't why people are surprised she tortured thousands in wandavision she was already a villain. Also she literally committed genocide in the comics and gets away with no conséquences (BeCAuSe ShE WaSn'T HeRsElF) and doesn't seem to show remorse, but when cyclops literally fixes all the world's problèms the great and perfect avengers try to attack him and basically treat him as hitler for Killing one person in self defense. Tldr cyclops was right fuck wanda and the avengers

Who wins in a fight between Scarlett witch and The dark phoenix?

He needed ghost rider in multiverse of madness

But you can use your magical energies and powers to create circumstances for oneself.🙊🙉🙈🦁👁️

I remember when I used to be able to understand marvel