War and Peace in Europe from Hitler to Putin

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Жыл бұрын

How can we understand the war in Ukraine in the light of European history over the past century? Is Putin a '20th-century Hitler' as some have called him? What are his aims, and how do they compare with those of the Nazis during the Second World War? Why are the Ukrainians resisting the Russian invasion so fiercely?
This lecture attempts to explain the nature of the current conflict by setting it in its historical and geopolitical context.
A lecture by Professor Sir Richard Evans
The transcript and downloadable versions of the lecture are available from the Gresham College website:
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@ninashewchuk8976 Жыл бұрын

The name "Holodomor" was not deliberately chosen to draw parallels between the Ukrainian famine of the early 1930s and the Holocaust. It comes from the Ukrainian words "holod" (hunger) and "mor" (plague). In addition, the Ukrainian word "moryty" means "to cause death". Holodomor literally translates to "death by hunger". Different languages are a thing.

@JohnKobaRuddy Жыл бұрын

and there is not a shred of evidence it was intentional

@sitting_nut Жыл бұрын

why don't these lecture name the people who carried it out ? such as those "convicted" in a "trial" held by kiev regime recently. hardly any russian ( in fact only 1 out of dozen ) but more than half from a certain group that is never criticized in western media.

@ninashewchuk8976 Жыл бұрын

@@JohnKobaRuddy Apart from Stalin turning away foreign aid and banning peasants from traveling to other cities to beg for food. Also totally nothing suspicious about the USSR keeping it under wraps for decades. Not to mention that in the years leading up to it Stalin had thousands of Ukrainian intellectuals, church leaders, and communists who supported pro-Ukrainian policies executed. Total coincidence. Even if by some chance there was no intention on Stalin's part to eliminate as many Ukrainians as possible, the fact of the matter is that millions did in fact die (among members of many other ethnic groups), and to this day the Kremlin denies any wrongdoing. If you define genocides solely as openly stated, intentional purges of people of particular ethnic groups, you end up moving goalposts whenever it's convenient for you to deny acts of violence against others.

@SuperMookles 9 ай бұрын

@@sitting_nutah, anti-Semitism. Didn't take long for that to crop up.

@largemarge5963 7 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Germany was not beat on the eastern front in 1918. Who is this guy, or more like whos paying this guy. 🤔

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant lecture. Clear, precise, thoroughly researched , accurate and well presented.Also much information new to me Thank you Gresham and Professor Evans.

@jfurl5900 8 ай бұрын

A year later ,, giving up the Crimea seems very unlikely .

@lashachakhunashvili1399 Жыл бұрын

33:45 ❤

@WildBillCox13 Жыл бұрын

Shared.

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

I'd like to generally point anyone curious for more to seek out Yale historian Timothy Schneider, one of the world's leading experts on eastern Europe and Ukraine more generally.

@TheSklar Жыл бұрын

Snyder

@jacpratt8608 Жыл бұрын

Snyder/ Schnyder? Shnyder? Sure there's a Y somewhere. Yes, they are fascinating lectures. Bloodlands is one.

@mossydog2385 Жыл бұрын

Your lecture was excellent, and I'm no friend of authoritarianism regardless of form or it's government of origin. Yet I'm left to wonder why we didn't hear talks of this nature during the invasion of Iraq, from which it has not yet recovered, or the two decade long war in Afghanistan....which could have easily been avoided had Bush taken the Taliban up on their offer to turn Bin Laden over to us if we would just stop dropping gigantic amounts of ordinance on the from the air. It puzzles me.

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

There was plenty of talk about that. UN and most of NATO didn't want any part of it, and after asking the world for permission the US did it anyway. But these are also fundamentally different conflicts, whether pro or anti Russian. Whatever the case, Zalensky isn't an installed dictator gassing his own population, nor even the vaguest premise of being able to threaten Russia or anyone with WMD's. Iraq and Afghanistan were also not overt wars of ethnically laced and nationalistic existential territorial expansionist wars of conquest. Yes, the US middle eastern misadventures were fundamentally wrong and ill founded and executed terribly, and for all the wrong reasons, but it is the apple to Putin's orange. Whatever comparisons could be drawn as a military misadventure, it doesn't give Putin ideological or political carte blanche to initiate and justify his own blunder. Two wrongs don't make a right.

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

Also, wanted to add, while your question is perfectly innocent, it's the sort of thing that gets rolled out in rhetorical arguments and Russian propaganda. The shorthand for it is "what-aboutism" where it's a change of the subject matter at hand in order to avoid the actual topic at discussion. I forget what the formal logical fallacies it might fall under, apples and oranges being one of them, but either way its a rhetorical trap that benefits Russia's aims in the current conflict bybdistracting from it. Yes, the US and west have an over abundance of evil, corruption, and incompetence to answer for, for which they probably never will, but it's still not the same thing as what is happening in UKraine.

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

There were plenty of peple arguing against the Iraq war(s). Were you not paying attention?

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

@@subcitizen2012 Well replied. Thank you for taking the time.

@mossydog2385 Жыл бұрын

@@subcitizen2012 because I'm an Oracle, or because of my vast wealth and fame. I don't like your tone and I don't think I like you. Calm down.

@oliveleaf7376 Жыл бұрын

great lecture, but I do hope someone got this poor man and nice tall glass of cold water after! my throat hurts listening

@erpthompsonqueen9130 Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@Lutz_H Жыл бұрын

Great factual talk!

@RabenmundK Жыл бұрын

So, let's just forget the Greek Civil War, the Cyprian conflict between Greece and Turkey, the chechnya war, the balkan conflicts and the various wars Russia waged since 1990.... nothing to see here, Europe is peacefull.

@hollyylloh515 Жыл бұрын

Excellent 🇬🇧 thank you for posting

@matthewkelly2399 Жыл бұрын

Always insightful

@joprocter4573 Жыл бұрын

NO COMPARISON

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

Except for where there is, which is why and how things can compare.

@jez3774 Жыл бұрын

Jackanory

@Vintagevanessa99 Жыл бұрын

Do we know what's going on.. really.

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

As members of the public to the extent that we can, yes, yes we do. And there's very little reason to engage in a cynical skepticism, it *is * possible to know things. Don't just roll over into being a Russian Manchurian candidate because the west isn't perfect.

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

There are some excellent journalists very near the front line.

@JohnKobaRuddy Жыл бұрын

he is another liberal historian. thinks rather than knows. every liberal historian thinks they know what some historical figure is thinking. he literrally said ukraine is fighting for democracy as it launders the wests dirty money, is the most corrupt state in europe has banned political parties, has death lists over peoples opinions all over the world and bans news and media stations etc.

@becut95 8 ай бұрын

If only British historians resembled Noam Chomsky more ...

@gitmoholliday5764 Жыл бұрын

one of the missed opportunities to negotiate peace, was the possibility to agree about a UN controlled / certified referendum about Donbas annexation / neutrality.. Boris Johnson blew that one

@Narguhl Жыл бұрын

In theory this sounds like a nice idea. Sadly this referendum would be meaningless. A lot of the populationhas fled, was deported or killed or was just quickly "imported" from Russia to Russify the region.

@gitmoholliday5764 Жыл бұрын

@@Narguhl we could say the same about Odessa .

@Narguhl Жыл бұрын

@@gitmoholliday5764 Yeah. But it would not be true in any meaningful comparison. When exactly did Ukraine occupy the Russian city Odessa by force?

@gitmoholliday5764 Жыл бұрын

@@Narguhl Between 1916 and end WWII

@Narguhl Жыл бұрын

lol

@makylemur7019 Жыл бұрын

RUSSIA DELENDA EST.

@billynomates920 Жыл бұрын

8:00 to 8:30 is interesting

@SirVashtastic Жыл бұрын

I agree , very hive mind

@noahkidd3359 Жыл бұрын

@@SirVashtastic The vast majority of the biggest and most respected news outlets in the West are highly factual. Russia's is not. The people who think that Western news is all propaganda are huffing copium.

@vividsunn8459 Жыл бұрын

Wrong! Germany was NOT defeated fair and square in the East in WW1; in fact, it was victorious there.

@fullmontyuk Жыл бұрын

Indeed! That was a major gaff.

@lenwilkinson672 Жыл бұрын

Putting Welsh names on sign posts and other items was a ridiculous and an enormous amount of money just to let one know they are in Wales.

@DeanJuvenal Жыл бұрын

The financial aspect is one matter. Why are you so opposed to signs and other items being in English and Cymraeg? Cymru has TWO official languages, Cymraeg and English.

@someoneelse293 Жыл бұрын

What did he say that's wrong?

@noahkidd3359 Жыл бұрын

pro-Russian trolls are struggling to procure copium, that's all

@peterswift3612 Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

@stuartcmcd Жыл бұрын

The truth

@walterkoppe9437 Жыл бұрын

not the inbalance between russian and the ukraine but the inballance between usa, eu and nato agaist russian is the point.

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

@@walterkoppe9437 Nato haven't turned up yet

@emilbordon1329 Жыл бұрын

I don’t GAFF about any of their wars.

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

you should

@JohnKobaRuddy Жыл бұрын

you are what is commonly known as a head in the sand type. the tsunami wave could be coming up the beach and you would put your fingers in your ears going go "lalalalalalalala"

@indydude3367 Жыл бұрын

GO NATO! Whoops, I mean Ukraine.

@NoHairMan Жыл бұрын

Childish remark.

@willyfeumba 10 ай бұрын

@@NoHairMan just the thuth ... NATO is not the power rangers

@helgeellevset3004 Жыл бұрын

What utter ignorance and arrogance

@drbrainstein1644 Жыл бұрын

I don’t know what the point of this lecture was but it was ridiculous.

@MoonJulz Жыл бұрын

Everyone should know by now 3 Ukrainian to 1 Russian what is wrong with you people?

@johnthomaso4208 Жыл бұрын

Sir Richard Evans admits towards the beginning of the lecture that the propaganda machines of both Russia and the West have been proceeding at full tilt ever since the commencement of the Ukraine war. He then proceeds to repeat almost word for word the propaganda of the West. The war is far more nuanced than Evans suggests, and the lecture as a whole was a disappointment from a historian who has gone down several pegs in my estimation.

@noahkidd3359 Жыл бұрын

Cope harder vatnik

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

nasty suborned propagandist comment

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

What can I say about such a comment. Can't face the truth?@@andyeasy3320

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

@@andyeasy3320 How about presenting reasoned arguments? What is your opinion on general plan east for example?

@clovisra Жыл бұрын

You are fully right. There are people here in the comments trying to deny that this talk is pure propaganda. People that would be happier if Putin was someone like the drunkard Yeltsin or the naīve Gorbachev.

@lenwilkinson672 Жыл бұрын

If they are not RUSSIAN who are they. Russians since Peter the Great

@clovisra Жыл бұрын

What about wars from Hitler's to NATO's?

@SuperMookles Жыл бұрын

KREMLIN THANKS LOYAL TROLL FOR KIND WORDS AND SUPPORT AT TIME OF TRICKY SITUATION. PUTIN APPRECIATE VERY MUCH COMMENT SUPPORT FOR MOTHER RUSSIA, IT EVEN MAKE HIM CRY.

@7DYNAMIN Жыл бұрын

Thanks, its a real intressting perspective,. I like how you say it like its some new idea. Is nato part of this though ??

@clovisra Жыл бұрын

@@7DYNAMIN What about Yugoslavia? What about the real war NATO declared against Russia NOW? A war that started years ago?

@mrgreatauk Жыл бұрын

@@clovisra you are deluded.

@SickBastard69 Жыл бұрын

@@SuperMookles and yet you listen to lies by your governments, puppet much?

@axismundi8 9 ай бұрын

Very weak, one dimensional and obvious propaganda. The click bait image is cheap Russo phobia. Horrible to see this tacky stuff on Gresham College Channel. Yiu obviously support it. Much as I've enjoyed your videos, I'm out.

@alexharrison9340 Жыл бұрын

Solidarity with the Ukrainian people. However, without the huge blood sacrifice of the Russian people in utterly defeating the Nazis there would be no western Europe. Think parallels of the Russians with the Nazis is therefore hugely inappropriate.

@bazsnell3178 Жыл бұрын

20 million Russians died in WW2 defeating the Germans. Without them we would have lost the war.

@NoHairMan Жыл бұрын

The loss of their grandparents blood doesn't make the grandchildrens deeds any better. Judge Russia for what it is doing now and not what it has done decades ago.

@DeanJuvenal Жыл бұрын

@@NoHairMan And view the actions of Russia in the light of the attempted invasions in the past: Napoleon; the West support of “White Russian” troops attempting to overthrow the early Russian Republic; the Nazis. And now the US/A and its followers trying to run NATO military forces right up to the border with Russia.

@khalidalansari8574 8 ай бұрын

You are full of bullisht 😂

@stonedwalljackson5806 Жыл бұрын

Don't forget about nato bringing war to the Balkans in the early 90's

@memorymeme51 Жыл бұрын

Oh not Serbia ofc, they were the victim

@SuperMookles Жыл бұрын

yeah, it was NATO, not Milosevic. Silly us, thinking that it was yet another manifestation of rabid Serb nationalism.

@nuznikas Жыл бұрын

No need tu act as you dont know why nato acted

@TranceGamerx Жыл бұрын

yeah, it was NATO, not Milosevic. Silly us, thinking that it was yet another manifestation of rabid Serb nationalism.

@SuperMookles Жыл бұрын

@@nuznikas in the mid-1990s because of the genocidal actions of Bosnian Serbs, then, later on, the genocidal actions of Serbia itself in Kosovo. Hope that helps to clear things up!

@Mbrbut Жыл бұрын

Stop lying, please don't listen to this man. He knows nothing

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

Are you still upset the new lord of the rings has black people in it?

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

You need to listen, because it's a lot closer to the truth than whatever you are believing.

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

What do you know? What have you published?

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

@@subcitizen2012 I agree with you completely. Professor Evans is a very rigorous, professional and honest historian.

@Dan-xt7sv Жыл бұрын

Simplistic childish nonsense

@noahkidd3359 Жыл бұрын

Cope harder

@agorbogytr13 Жыл бұрын

@@noahkidd3359 Cry baby

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

I bet you didn't realize Bioshock was actually a criticism of the work of Ayn Rand, i know it was subtle but....

@Dan-xt7sv Жыл бұрын

@@jamesneedham6265 I hate Ayn Rand actually.

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

Reactionary much?

@stswcz Жыл бұрын

Massive amount of propaganda in this lecture.

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

Would you take him more seriously if he was topless and on horseback?

@subcitizen2012 Жыл бұрын

To believe that you would need a lot more propaganda in your head. That should bother you.

@stswcz Жыл бұрын

Both sides generates it a lot. If you 'believe' instead of thinking, you lose

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

If you think that you've got a problem. Specify the things that are untrue in what Professor Evans said.

@clovisra Жыл бұрын

The british are the US (NATO) pr. A fall from empire to atack dog of another empire.

@javascriptcss2512 Жыл бұрын

КАК ЖЕ ВАС ОБМАНЫВАЮТ ААХХАХАХАХАХАХ

@Anthrax6989 Жыл бұрын

Человек живущий во лжи не знает что такое обман.

@stuartcmcd Жыл бұрын

TAKE MORE COPIUM

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

@@Anthrax6989 If I understand your reply I agree. javascript has bought into the deluded lies. I think Professor Evans ( who I admire) has told the truth in a gripping lecture.

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

Make sure to pack sunflower seeds in your uniform

@tyemich8820 Жыл бұрын

А им и норм что их обманывают. Главное чтобы денежка на карту жителя "первого мира" капала

@user-ci7vu7eo9w Жыл бұрын

PROFESSOR FROM THE WEST?😂💩💩

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

Does Russia have professors anymore

@SickBastard69 Жыл бұрын

@@jamesneedham6265 yes just educate yourself I dare you.

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

@@SickBastard69 I have, I know you might never of heard of such things but there are these things called 'books' that contain text information bound together with sources for the information normally cited in the appendix. This provide a much better level of education than even the brightest of 4 chain's trolls and conspiracy theorists.

@jamesneedham6265 Жыл бұрын

@@SickBastard69 you could also actually watch this lecture rather than just commenting on it as you clearly haven't. Is it too long for you? Maybe Gresham can collaborate with Michael Bay to add explosions every five minutes to keep your attention.

@SickBastard69 Жыл бұрын

@@jamesneedham6265 btw let's discuss sovereignty, Ukraine lost it's sovereignty in 2014 when US organised by Vitoria Nuland's coup in Odesa to overthrow Viktor Yanukovych and burned people to death. You correct read more books but you prefer to change history to suit your narrative of imperialisim ideology. The world has seen.

@othmaninasri Жыл бұрын

in the current event, When we say UKRAINE 🇺🇦 we say NATO..... all kind of sophisticated weapons are poured to UKRAINE through its neighbours. So RUSSIA is kind of feeling threatened by this , that is why they are calling for more reserve. Finally UKRAINE is a RUSSIAN territory which was split from RUSSIA because of cold war. A plan led by USA 🇺🇸 to weaken Russia 🇷🇺

@NoHairMan Жыл бұрын

It is Ukrainans that die and suffer in this war. They use everything they can to defend themselves. Plus Iranian drones bring death and destruction to the Ukrainian population. So excuse my little joke: In this current event, when we say RUSSIA we say Iran..... ;)

@othmaninasri Жыл бұрын

@@NoHairMan Well, I'm deeply sorry for the suffer that humans in Ukraine has to ho through, similar in dombass regin, similar to Palestinians similar to Afghans and Iraqis ....etc humans are humans whatever his colour, ethnicity or where he come from

@user-dq8kj6gm3y 10 ай бұрын

What a nonsense, learn about worldpolitics and the perestroika deception, its Russia who destabilized the West, not the other way around, watch Bezmenov and read Golitsyn what is straight from the horses mouth.

@dimonik12 Жыл бұрын

Utter tosh...

@daydays12 Жыл бұрын

What is 'utter tosh'? Your comment is not clear.

@dimonik12 Жыл бұрын

@@daydays12 The video... 😉

@TheFjerstad Жыл бұрын

Russian bot

@orenalbertmeisel3127 6 ай бұрын

Richard Evans has been an absolute joke for the past two years. It's sad to see a historian I once respected embrace British state propaganda, misinformation and conspiracy theories