War Crimes: A history of C-Roa

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War Crimes: A history of C-Roa

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2 жыл бұрын

A quick runthrough of the balance history of C-Roa in Melty Blood. He only was in two iterations of the game, and yet both versions were polar opposites in terms of strength. I glossed over a lot in the video to keep things short and simple, there's some more nuance to the character in both versions such as his high APM requirement and significant lab time, so please keep in mind this is not everything.
Also rushed the ending. Do me a favor and don't notice that.
Tracks used: The Road - Street Fighter Alpha 3 (or Street Fighter Zero 3)
Melty Blood 1 - Character Select theme
Unlimited R - King of Fighters 2002 Unlimited Match
R.I.P. War Crimes Roa, left behind for his neutral-skipping counterpart.

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@kurodyne9692 2 жыл бұрын

hehe thats me

@forte4450 Жыл бұрын

Woah is that kuro dyne from p4u

@kurodyne9692 Жыл бұрын

@@forte4450 you've got me confused with somebody else i'm a random 2-2er

@mikaela5938 Жыл бұрын

😡

@wertblurrr3779 2 жыл бұрын

Headcanon that H-Roa stands for honest Roa and C-Roa stands for cracked Roa

@Pokemaster-wg9gx 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly this fits Roa so well because he’s either a serious villain or absolutely fucking bodied and a joke depending on what branch/other material he’s in

@HerMi.T Жыл бұрын

in which place he is bodied and a joke? he is always very terrifying character in tsukihime in every route. SHIKI is probably bodied in hisui route but that's because of SHIKI's own guilt, he still is defeated in other route pretty easily by akiha but SHIKI isn't roa. anyway, many people didn't know that roa is literally one of the strongest character in nasuverse because of his vast knowledge about nearly everything in world. through his powerful magecraft and knowledge, he even able to defeat altrouge and in some way come close to defeat even arcuied in his og body. the joke in melty blood is about roa reincarnation which blur the line between him being dead or alive.

@Redhead-pf8le Жыл бұрын

@@HerMi.T He got bodied by Edmond Dantes in Fate/Grand Order timeline or something That and in certain arcade modes for Melty Blood he IS a joke

@nathan7031 Жыл бұрын

Dantes didn’t have the Treasure of Monte Christo actually active until the last parts of that fight tbf. Dude had to pull some shit in order for him to get to that point. Even when he’s vastly weakened compared to his Tsukihime self, Roa’s no slouch for most people and Dantes couldn’t just activate the Treasure of Monte Christo all wily nily until he became a Heroic Spirit (that whole thing at the end with the treasure’s power was a one-time deal after all)

@HerMi.T Жыл бұрын

@@Redhead-pf8le that is not tsukihime roa but still he isn't bodied. he literally destroyed edmond dantes first. Dante is able to defeat tarantella (fate roa) with the help of Monte Cristo Mythologie in the first place. Because this roa doesn't become a dead apostle with the blood of arcuied. he is not as powerful as og dead apostle ancestor roa from tsukihime. even without his og body tsukihime roa surpasses fate roa in every way because of his much stronger 'mystery' which is a sliver of power of many different types that comes from the Root. tsukihime roa's mystery is stronger because first he is older than fate roa and second he is a dead apostle directly made by princess of true ancestor. While still becoming a Dead Apostle as part of fate roa's plan, he had deteriorated mystery compared to his counterpart and lacked the power to be equated to the status of the The Twenty-seven Dead Apostle Ancestors that he obtained in Tsukihime Worlds.

@NRVNQSRR Жыл бұрын

@@HerMi.T If I remember correctly, because Dead Apostles are opposing what Servants stand for, metaphorically, spiritually etc.. they have a passive which denies NP's as a whole. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with this, Roa should've won the fight entirely because the flames would just be normal fire for him, allowing Roa to just regenerate the damage entirely.

@dokeshiXghoulz 2 жыл бұрын

So this is how he earned the name "honest mids Michael"

@third-ratedude4234 Жыл бұрын

there's a bit more story about that. After all of this buff, some C-Roa players try to downplay him by saying that since C-Roa doesn't have any high/low mixup, he's actually a very honest character. And thus he earned the title "Honest Mids Michael".

@yosha101 2 жыл бұрын

They really just went "Well he clearly has weaknesses that aren't compensated by his strengths.... So let's get rid of both ALL of his weaknesses and amplify his strengths to an absurd degree". When you showed him cancelling orbs into orbs I nearly choked on my yogurt, funniest shit I've ever seen!

@MorphRed 2 жыл бұрын

cancelling orbs into orbs is like cancelling into the same normal several times. It sounds stupid and it's stupid

@exhaviero4186 2 жыл бұрын

@@MorphRed Reminds me of ZackyWild from UFDK2

@conwaysquest6961 2 жыл бұрын

Players: "Buff Roa!" French bread: "Okay" *Makes roa the most powerful character in the game.* Players: "Nerf Roa!" Friench Bread: "There's no pleasing you people."

@SheldonSempai420 2 жыл бұрын

Honest mids michael is my favorite meme from this community

@randomperson9498 2 жыл бұрын

I remember hearing somewhere that F-Hime is better at Melty than everyone else, but C-Roa is playing a completely different game.

@Speedracer6 2 жыл бұрын

F hime dominates air footsies. C-Roa is playing tower defense =v

@colgatecrescendo 2 жыл бұрын

everyone is playing melty, but roa is playing tetris with all 4-wides

@eagleye2893 Жыл бұрын

F Hime Will Put Your Melty Knowledge to the Test. C Roa Takes That Playbook and 236s it into the Stratosphere.

@yummycookies58 2 жыл бұрын

Oh so I see now, Roa was an Honest Mid just like Kotomine is a devout and totally not evil priest

@axlnymous9582 2 жыл бұрын

On the topic of that evil priest, I hope you're ready for plus on block guaranteed combo from nearly anywhere on the screen projectile piercing Black Keys that MBTL Noel takes directly from F/UC Kirei.

@rdogg114 2 жыл бұрын

You know Roa was also a totally not evil priest himself.

@iker-jk2096 2 жыл бұрын

You know the thing is getting crazy when Rugal's theme begins

@ThirteenCorgis 2 жыл бұрын

This video has been a roller coaster ride of emotions.

@thechugg4372 2 жыл бұрын

"Orb now hits crouching" "charged orb is unblockable in the air" Yeah I don't know who though this was a good idea.

@axlnymous9582 2 жыл бұрын

It's pretty easy to come to a conclusion like that when Roa was so terrible. Given his old air orbs were also unblockable, and MBAACC was veering more towards into oki and setplay-like strategies compared to older versions of MB, it would make sense to let him charge an orb to hit crouchers and control the air. He was borderline unplayable in prior versions and needed a big buff any way. The issue arises from how fast he can place charged orbs for the sheer advantage they give him. If he could rapidly set small orbs but not charge orbs it'd be different, but having both big charge orbs that can be set really fast was where it got to be extreme.

@juniperrodley9843 Жыл бұрын

@@axlnymous9582 Fighting games are hard to balance, and I can see why one might think Roa would never become OP, however they buffed him... but this also seems like a pretty clear-cut case of a move with no weaknesses by design being predictably broken. I'm no Melty player though, so that could be a majorly uneducated take lol

@hakageryu307 2 жыл бұрын

3:36 "Oh. Wait say wha-" 3:39 *Ultimate R starts playing* "Oh, the national anthem of the nation of 'Being Fucking Busted'."

@JawsFG_ Жыл бұрын

H-Roa in Type Lumina: "Hello my name is Honest mid Michael and I'm in fact fumble proof!"

@Alandus64 2 жыл бұрын

I hope this becomes a series. Not specifically war crimes for multiple fgs but different background histories for different melty characters. I’d like to hear how tohno ended top 1 in MBAA; from 2002 all the way to TL.

@heavyc4450 2 жыл бұрын

Wait tohno is top 1? Explain.

@Alandus64 2 жыл бұрын

@@heavyc4450 2:30

@minami3747 Жыл бұрын

half moon was pretty broken when mbaa came out and among those h tohno has an absurd damage output. he used to easily deal 4000-5000 damage off of any hit, and in the corner his damage is even higher thanks to 214c

@_FiFo_ 2 жыл бұрын

A series called War Crimes with C-Roa as our start sounds pretty entertaining. I would love to see more content like this.

@toob_noob4381 2 жыл бұрын

Honest Mids Mike back at it again with the chlorine gas

@MystDawg 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, it's cool to learn about the history of a game I love but couldn't be there for. The old tier list fascinating too, it's nearly opposite of MBAACC's tier list. Can't believe there was a time where Roa was garbage but Miyako was strong

@Gang3rs 2 жыл бұрын

i wish i could have been there when Miyako was strong.

@mylesobrien7477 2 жыл бұрын

@@Gang3rs don't we all

@coffeebird2857 2 жыл бұрын

I love the trend of character analysis, this is in my opinion one of the best ones, snappy straight to the point and best of all, Axl low profile pic to show he has taste

@amb3rrif1c 2 жыл бұрын

U rly should make more videos on more MBAACC characters documenting how they’ve risen or fallen! The one character that comes to mind for me as one that went the opposite direction C-Roa did is H-Tohno, r u interested in making a video on him?

@axlnymous9582 2 жыл бұрын

Shiki Tohno IS the main protagonist of Tsukihime and he's been around since the start, so I could go around and do a total overview of how Shiki was throughout all the games (including his moons) and that'd also give me an opportunity to talk more about what I could find out about the older ones. Just as a sidenote, MB1/ReACT is barely documented at all and I definitely didn't play it back then, so I won't be able to cover a section like that with any accuracy. I guess it'd just be a stool for showing off his moveset before getting into the other games.

@AntanovOCEFGC 2 жыл бұрын

@@axlnymous9582 I think that would be the smartest way to go about it, nobody covers the history of MB characters anyway so any info presented in a style such as yours would be really cool. I've always been super curious as to how Shiki worked in games prior to TL, especially since he's seemed to be fondly looked upon as an MC moveset.

@SirSkeleto 2 жыл бұрын

oh cool im in this one

@ArcRay20 2 жыл бұрын

5:26 crazy shit like that (during what looks like a tourney) is INSANE.

@mirax9846 2 жыл бұрын

just start a series called war crimes that goes over all characters that have committed war crimes in the history of fighting games

@flipkiller8521 2 жыл бұрын

Episode 1 and 2 would be SF II Akuma and Tekken 4 Jin.

2 жыл бұрын

War crimes? Sounds like my type of character.

@fortidogi8620 2 жыл бұрын

good example of how fixing all of a bad characters problems immediately destroys their balance

@fortidogi8620 2 жыл бұрын

im lookin at us, strive anji players

@inept7247 2 жыл бұрын

he's just throwing mids

@rokerog Жыл бұрын

God what a good video

@luminousepoque8666 2 жыл бұрын

The Omega Rugal theme at 3:38 killed me Holy shit

@tabkg5802 Жыл бұрын

Bro got a few buffs to his balls and became top 1. What a glow up

@superbro6413 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent use of sound and music, and a great video overall. Never knew that C Roa was that bad at first, I certainly learned something today. Cheers

@folknerdragon4113 2 жыл бұрын

We need more melty bloody analysis vids like this in the future because this game is something special I tell ya

@konobakemoon4810 2 жыл бұрын

Actually the "dev jokes" are about his role im the game and past events like tsukihime, and not abou how strong he is in the game

@offsale8911 2 жыл бұрын

seriously one of the best melty videos i've seen

@soarel325 2 жыл бұрын

Honest Mids Michael

@dudunikolaishvili8096 2 жыл бұрын

Wow that was interesting! Seeing a character go from 0 to 100 is always crazy to see. Are you planning on doing more, like Nero Chaos and Kouma?

@axlnymous9582 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe. I've thought about making another one, but it'd most likely be either Shiki Tohno or Sion (& VSion) since those two have a hilarious history as well.

@fyrerider521 2 жыл бұрын

bro this video is fucking aces, though the subtitles are a bit zoomy. RIP Honest Mids

@Ed-1749 2 жыл бұрын

What is it with french bread and setplay orbs that terrify me.

@strippinheat 2 жыл бұрын

It's basically the opposite of what happened to SF3 Sean from 2I to 3S. Sean got nerfed from the absolute best character in the game to the absolute worst, on purpose. And Roa got buffed from the absolute worst to the absolute best, presumably on accident.

@HerMi.T Жыл бұрын

actually not by accident.

@stealthy9156 Жыл бұрын

Sean wasn't the best in 2I but he was really fucking good

@gamebreakergeebz5094 Жыл бұрын

Big yellow has sent me here and gotta say this video is amazing, great work dude! I never had contact with Current Code so I didn't know he was so honest, but the music swap at the air orbs segment told me what sorta game he was playing.

@hrgrhrhhr Жыл бұрын

please come back :(

@Horridian1200 2 жыл бұрын

always happy to see a video from you. keep it up!

@DiamondDust132 2 жыл бұрын

Actually only started playing Melty Blood Actress Again after Current Code came out, so I had NO idea C-Roa was so trash in AA. They buffed the absolute shit out of him lol. Very informative video. Great job!

@hydrosting 2 жыл бұрын

I loved this video. I only played AACC so i didnt know a lot of the changes made to the character that i considered a literal fucking demon. Would love to see more videos like this :D

@DevoteeofMamaRaikou 2 жыл бұрын

Sees the combos and pressure from C-Roa... Yeah I had to deal with them too. Kurodyne perfected me twice in the only tourney set we had.

@Juno4Uno 2 жыл бұрын

This is should be a series man

@Xerclipse 2 жыл бұрын

People talk about characters who were busted when they came out but then got nerfed to the dumpster. This guy is the exact opposite. The problem with his intended design was that his space control was ungodly broken against everyone whose game plan was to rush down and get into the air. I am curious to see the Roa in Type Lumina get some of the nerfs and buffs from both versions in AA and AACC. Creating stationary orbs seems to have separated his style from the rest of the cast.

@glass916 2 жыл бұрын

Still has no mix-ups needs more buffs Add C-roa with a 1f overhead to type Lumina pls

@Bobprotoss 2 жыл бұрын

C-Roa is a meme, but why people don't talk much about Archetype Earth? She is busted af.

@MorphRed 2 жыл бұрын

CRoa is even more broken than Hime

@koval3899 2 жыл бұрын

Godlike video

@Kaimax61 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is a good video series idea. Keep it up. Also the humor timing is spot on.

@LunaMinuna 2 жыл бұрын

0:59 tell me who unironically mains white Len

@SeagullCrush 2 жыл бұрын

I love getting competitive history on fighting games that I’m not really familiar with, would love to see more on melty blood if that’s something you ever planned on doing but great video regardless!

@ceoofjeanneism6777 6 ай бұрын

C roa used to be in my nightmares trying to play Nvqsr Chaos

@Brwni 2 жыл бұрын

Love these kinda of videos! I'd really like if u kept going on this series!

@aoife-oh9si 2 жыл бұрын

I will proudly participate in war crimes if it means I can play Cresent Moon Micheal Fucking Roa

@Electr0Jesus 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video

@harryf9885 Жыл бұрын

Fighting games are hard to balance but definitely they made some mistakes here that could have been relatively obvious in play-testing. A fullscreen projectile that’s +26 is going to be a problem unless there are some major strings attached. Also, I think the way they tried to counterbalance the huge buffs with nerfs to the base orbs is funny. They nerfed one of the weakest tools in the game (at least one of the weakest that is supposed to be the main draw of the character) in a bunch of drastic ways and expected that to counterbalance the new crazy tools they gave him. I think maybe that’s what caused him to slip through play-testing. They probably used a mix of charged and uncharged orbs when playing him because that’s how they expected people to use the character, but never considered players would just ignore the extremely weak uncharged orbs and only use the charged ones. Nothing forces you to use both, the charged ones are hardly slower to come out and the uncharged ones are now absolutely terrible. Basically what they actually did is give his regular orbs a tiny amount of required charge time in exchange for all the buffs and if they had realized that is what they were doing, I think he would have come out differently. That being said, you can’t account for everything players will discover, there are plenty of very understandable cases where players figured out a playstyle or some glitches/hidden mechanics/techniques that break a character. sf4 Elena comes to mind, smash bros Steve, sf5 season 3 Abigail etc.

@axlnymous9582 Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind it's not just a fullscreen projectile that's +26, it's a fullscreen AIR UNBLOCKABLE projectile that's +26 (and easily combos on hit). Melty is a game all about aerial movement, so people are constantly jumping around. Likewise, there are few true grounded anti-airs in the game, and even that select few can hardly be called reliable at their job. So even within the context of Melty, the orb buff is ridiculous.

@Demonseth999 Жыл бұрын

#ReturnCRoa

@kingvelard 2 жыл бұрын

excellent video, love seeing stuff like this. also shoutouts wlen gang

@araknair9605 2 жыл бұрын

Loved the video, subscribed

@BakaMangaka 2 жыл бұрын

Tohno at 3:38 "Wait what the fu-" [Chaos ensues]

@vonathenbrod8498 7 ай бұрын

I mean, with hair like his, I can forgive Roa for the minor amount of tomfoolery he did in MBAACC

@dante9284 2 жыл бұрын

Is this the only example in FG history where a character got buffed from bottom 1 to top 1 in 1 patch? Would love a video (or more) about any other time this has happened.

@hayateftw1 2 жыл бұрын

Lot of stuff I didn't know. Great video

@fireempire7342 2 жыл бұрын

This is a channel I can watch time and time again. I love this style of content. I'm glad I found this channel.

@AxelTehDarkHero 2 жыл бұрын

Sick Video, educate those who have never touched Melty before they hop into Lumina. Id like to see more.

@handyherbcock4497 2 жыл бұрын

This is good content make more.

@biggiepiss Жыл бұрын

i love mr war crimes 💕

@Big-Day 2 жыл бұрын

yeeees videos like this for melty are what i want so much, i had no idea about old c roa being garbage, thanks for making this

@danielnegronjr9995 2 жыл бұрын

Please make more videos if you can! it was pretty entertaining!

@Archetype784 2 жыл бұрын

C Roa didn’t make it I’m crying

@werhuo9981 2 жыл бұрын

this feels like the zamasu the god among us video

@Azazel5021 2 жыл бұрын

nice vid brotha

@rebelj9952 2 жыл бұрын

War crimes: Zappa

@kevinfelix2302 2 жыл бұрын

great vid

@Yxazel 2 жыл бұрын

Man, what a ride... I still hate Hime more

@JrSwifterzz 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing video! Would love to see more Melty vids like this

@skepticalsky8235 2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy its H roa for lumina. But man being new to melty and watching c roa is so much fun hes so fucking cool

@sandwichgamer1075 2 жыл бұрын

Please make more videos like these. Really entertaining!

@tronixchl2004 2 жыл бұрын

From bottom tier to WAR CRIMINAL

@novameowww 2 ай бұрын

why is vinesauce joey so stronk

@BLACKDISC 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I'd love to see more for other characters

@axlnymous9582 2 жыл бұрын

Well funnily enough, in reference to your avatar, Len was the only competition Roa had for "worst in the game" in MBAA, and she's bounced around lists much as he did. The general "bottom 3" (besides Neco) were F-Satsuki, C-Len and C-Roa. Though some placed F-Satsuki higher, so you could omit her from this list and just say the worst were Len and Roa.