There seems to be some misunderstandings relating to my suggested fixes, so I'll try to clear things up as best as I can. The suggested change to AP belts is not a net nerf or buff to SPAA, as I said it would depend on case by case examination. For AA vehicles like the SIDAM, it would be a buff. But for vehicles like the Lvkv 42, it would be a nerf. The same goes for spawn point costs. Obviously some vehicles like the M163 will never be effective against tanks no matter what, so they could retain SPAA spawn point costs. Only SPAA vehicles easily capable of racking up multiple tank kills would receive light tank spawn point costs. And regarding planes, you guys should be very well aware of the fact that I think CAS is heavily unbalanced in WT. On SPAA vehicles with limited AP belts, I feel more inclined to actually scan the sky for enemy aircraft, instead of trying to shoot as many tanks as I can. As others in the comments have suggested, I would increase the rewards given for shooting down a plane as well, though rewards should be increased across the board.

SPAA is tough, many lower tier vehicles use slow firing 30-40mm guns which are nearly impossible to hit fast moving aircraft with. IRL these types of SPAA were used in numbers and weren't meant to go 1v1 with an aircraft.

To me the reasons why the AA player care much more to kill tanks than plane is that shooting a plane give you almost nothing in SL, in a game I shoot down 6 plane *6*, and still the game gave me less silver lion than destroing a couple of tanks

This is completely without mention of the other side, by the way. There is 0 fun about a rapid-fire peashooter with tissue paper skin taking out your gun barrel, knocking out a track, then leaving you sitting there helpless watching a timer get bigger and bigger as it circles you, picking at parts or crew over and over, probably repeatedly causing an engine fire until your extinguish runs out or otherwise chipping you to death. And then they immediately get blasted by your heavy tank teammate that got lost and circled back around, only just noticing them after you spent the whole time spamming marks and calling for assistance.

After playing the Wisel 1A a bunch, having an AA that can scout and repair makes it MUCH better to run.

The whole point of SPAAs is that they have much cheaper SP in realistic battles than all other vehicle types. This is to give players an opportunity to spawn in another ground vehicle if they've had bad luck in their first couple vehicles and to encourage a balanced and varied team composition.

To anyone who says AA is OP against planes at top tier, yes. Planes are also OP against tanks at toptier. So they need to be OP

one step in the right direction would be to allow people to switch vehicles in spawn, i.e. 1st spawn SPAA do your thing, J out in Spawn without actually losing the vehicle then spawning in a tank. also remove the kill cam or stunt it in RB i.e. only show what type of shell and where it penetrated not where the shooting tank was.

From my experience I think how well an AA does depends on your skills and how good is your team and if the enemy team leave their flanks wide open

Falcon actually got more potent when they moved it to 8.0. Faces more light and mediums which it can pen frontally. At 7.7 it faced more tigers which it could only barrel and track

Hitting a plane is hard. I see why players use the vs tanks. The saying “The best armor is no armor “ comes to mind. You are more successful attacking tanks vs planes.

I'm surprised you don't go into how mouse aim makes SPAAs at low and mid tiers especially frustrating, thanks to mouse aim a plane can engage and destroy an SPAA from far away or from suicidal angles, some spaas are near useless because any plane with a machine gun can take them out just by looking at them. As for the shell limit, bring it to everys tank or create a dynamic br system based on the ammo you use, to take an extreme example, the german short 75 performance is widly different depending on if you sling aphe or late war HEAT.

I firmly believe HVAP and APDS rounds should be removed from AA or at most be given 1-2 "defensive" belts. Not full 600 rnd belts, but 20-40 rounds depending on the weapon system.

I would give AAs higher rp and sl rewards for destroying planes and helis, and lower rewards for destroying ground units, as well as lowering the amount of ap ammo belts they can carry, this might make AAs spending more time looking at the sky, and using the ap belts only for self defense or a desperate retaliation, like the sidam.

Since we are on topic of AA, I wanna add this as a Naval player: In Naval battles, AA is super annoying. Both to fight against, or to use in defense. Small boats can be quite annoying to fight against while in a aircraft because the way the tree is. What I mean by that is that your in a Mid war plane, fighting a late Korean war PT boat. Extremely high rates of fire make it quite impossable to even be in the area of a PT boat. Then there is ship board AA, god they piss me off so much. The fact is, Naval shipboard AA has a bad habit of being the legit idea of a sniper. What I mean by that is this: Naval AA somehow is able to snipe a plane from two miles (3 Kilometers) out that is actively attempting to avoid incoming fire while flying away with only two guns able to bare. But when an Aircraft is closing right at 1,000 (Feet or meters, but you get the idea), on a attack run, and closing within your "AA" belt, (The direction where most of the guns can see) They are unable to hit it. Even if the plane straightens out to line up a torpedo. And i'm not saying this cause i'm upset cause "their AA are super good", or "my AA can't shoot anyone down" No, I have on more than few times left my AA guns on Aircraft mode, and they snipe a plane that wasn't even marked for me, or been able to avoid 3 bluewater ships AA fire to drop a torpedo and sink one, dispite taking 3 seconds to line up the shot. And I still got away undamaged. Honestly, it needs to be flipped. They should be more accuate close range to protect you, and worse at longer ranges. This would make weapons like the Tiny Tim actually useful, cause then you could damage a ship effectively.

The real problem is one nation in particular can shit on everyone else's spaa until radar spaa, and huge gaps in effectiveness

You forgot to mention the huge BR gap in the SPAA line of every tech tree. and some get to higher BR because they kill tanks but perform badly against aircraft.

If CAS wasn’t so pervasive I think you’d have less of a hard time balancing SPAAs. The fact that getting a lot of kills or caps is required to spawn in most aircraft means that it leads to snowballing, which needless to say isn’t good for gameplay. I think I prefer matches with only 10 people per side, because it’s harder to get enough spawn points to get an attacker, and the loss of one ground vehicle in exchange for CAS is more expensive for a given team, and you wouldn’t have as many of them. The worst thing is when you’re in an SPAA and there’s 4 different aircraft up there and you’re shooting at one only to get blitzed by another. Also prevent them dropping massive bombs in the middle of spawn, please.

I still think we need to get proper SPAA sights before they mess with anything. A lot of "terrible' higher caliber SPAA would be a lot better and more practical to use if we had the sights for the job they are supposed to be doing.

What if they implemented a system where AP and other dual purpose munitions increase the spawn cost like how some aircraft have varied costs if you choose to bring certain ordinance? This is also a fine line because it could lead to situations where a vehicle is simultaneously too cheap to bring poorly armed and too expensive if you want it to fight more targets

3:35 Heres the root of the problem. Planes are a handicap, EZ kills for people better at planes than tanks. I play for tanks, not to get bombed by planes who I can't shoot back at effectively.

I think the core issue is that SPAA players that can effectively shoot down planes are rare. Even in low BR when planes are slower it takes a lot of practice to be effective. After low BR, planes are just too fast to be able to shoot down unless you're a god. There is a huge gap between the BR when planes that are basically too fast to defend against start being available and the BR when SPAA with radar become available. IMO they really should have a crew skill that gives you aiming assist like in arcade or like you have with radar. The better your crew is and the closer the plane, the more accurate the assist is (obviously more so with radar). This would actually give a real hard counter to CAS, in much the same way that 90% of CAS is a hard counter to tanks. Currently, I have a hard time finding an actual justification for SPAA to exist in most BR's beyond being tank-destroyers since the skill gap between being able to CAS someone and being able to SPAA a plane is so large. About the only time SPAA is useful is when a plane is charging you head-on, and if you're in an open-top with thin armor (as most SPAA are) even if you land every single shot and kill the guy you still have about a 50% chance of being killed because in the time it takes your shots to hit, the CAS has usually fired their own barrage at you as well. TL;DR, an effective SPAA player has to be very skilled to shoot down planes after the first few BR's when they start to get pretty fast. An effective CAS player can have much less skill and still be effective. This is the core issue with SPAA. If my options are between wasting a quarter of my ammo trying to shoot down a dive bomber and then getting easily destroyed because I'm an open-top, vs going out with an automatic 40mm that can pen 72mm of armor at 2.0, I know what I'm going to to be doing...

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If it were up to me, to balance SPAA i would start by making them like planes in the sense that if you put AP belts on them, spawn costs increase by a lot. so if you bring standard 2 ap 2 HE belt or 3 ap 1 he with same pen as normal rounds then it costs normal SP to spawn, around 70-100, but when you bring higher pen ammo or APDS belts then it should go up to 200-250, but you should be able to bring as much as you want. this way if the spaa will be used as a tank destroyer, it will cost more than one to make up for the increased performance it is given at a lower BR. this would also encourage players to use it for their intended role, shooting down aircraft. another alternative would be to just straight up remove APDS belts from them. And i agree with your statement about some vehicles being designated as SPAA but not really built for that role, like zsu-57-2 and wiesel 1a4 and the swedish m113 with anti air missiles.

The issue goes hand-in-hand, with objectives and worthiness. People always go to spawn camp and kill tanks, because they get more RP and Money than objectives. As an AA Player, I don’t think they are an issue much till you see the 6.0 and up, the R3 and FP 341 being unique and a bit too good at what they do. The problem beings also with range. Where you have Helicopters sneaking kills from 8KM away, while most only have 5KM effectiveness till better missles. I don’t think all costs of AA should be increased, where as the multipurpose ones like Falcon, or ZA-35 can kill about anything. The Gepard is crippled by it’s AP ammo amount and has a rather nice feel to being a point defense; giving it incentive. even then those 40 rounds might not guarantee. The Roland AA I have played with are decent, and a good fighter or helicopter pilot CAN outmaneuver people. Just most pilots panic or aren’t aware, because the smart thing to do is shut off radar. The video was okay, but I feel like some issues were not left spoken of. You are correct about them being better than some TDs.

I wish I could spawn AA at base, fire at planes and if there was no planes J out and have it able to be spawned in later just more expensive. Also low tier AA is so utterly painful for new players to learn since they effectively have 0 idea where to aim and overall it's still difficult to lead a plane unless it's obvious driving right at you kinda deal. It's just odd how much easier it gets the higher tier you go, compared to low tier being thrown into the deep end and told to learn it. I've seen plenty of players abuse this, the "1 light tank and 5 planes" kind of line up and top score by a mile because newer players can't deal with it.

The biggest issue with SPAA is more often, until you get to the higher tiers and start into radar, kinda trash for killing planes, and end up being better used as scout tanks with the ability to kill than trying to kill air. There are a lot of reasons, one major one you forgot is reload speed, as that is far more of a critical factor than any other thing. Having the near endless belts (the 0.3-1.0 second reloads or the ones with like 300 rounds) is really critical to really giving you a chance to kill planes, as you are going to take a lot of time to zero in as they are moving, because distance and direction are hard to tell due to your angle. Then round speed is next, as many of them are quite slow rounds and force you to aim so far ahead that you cant really see where your shots are roughly going, or if the plane is turning at all, which makes it entirely a guessing game. After that we have the fact most of them are open topped, and as such are very easily killed by aircraft, as if you lose your gunner, which can happen really easily and randomly, you are already dead as it takes too long to get the replacement for you to defend yourself. SPAA just have always kinda been trash for doing what they are supposed to, leading to this sort of contention, as the ones you see are the ones that are stupidly strong and can very easily kill tanks and also have the tools to kill planes in certain situations.

Rolling around in a ww2 relic getting yeeted by dive bombing jets isn't fun either.

I was an M1 Abrams tanker in the US Army. The reality and potential of running into AA platforms like the Tunguska or similar was not only a possibility but something you wouldnt want to deal with in open combat. The shells might not punch through the armor, but they would absolutely damage or possibly disable the tank to the point that its immobilized and completely broken. I think war thunders depiction is semi accurate for what an outcome of that fight would be if an AA platform had the drop on tanks from the same era and previous generations. I think a lot of people misunderstand what they are seeing when their tanks are destroyed in game. In a real scenario youd likely have many disabled and broken tanks littering the battle fields. Not all will explode or burst into flames. The animation that happens allows others to know your tank is dead and no longer in play. This makes for a better game, but is a bit unrealistic. If you want realism, get a simulator. A competitive game that isnt designed for full realism will make it known who is still in the game. If your tank is disabled, it goes boom. Not that it would happen in real life. Many also think AA is the same as pointing machine guns into the sky. They actually have I higher velocity and thus carry more energy. People assume to know ballistics but have no idea about it. Any modern tank would likely survive a burst from a tunguska, however it would be severely damaged and incapable of defending itself. But that's why tanks move in groups. Any time you see video of a single tank I can tell you what parts of the world it is in and promise you its operated by people who might know how to operate it okay but have little to no formal training on that tank and have never learned tactics. Those videos come from the middle east and a lone tank is a dead tank. It's rare to see a tank all by itself unless the people think that because they have a tank they are mighty. I can damage, defeat, or possibly destroy any modern tank in the world with $20US in gasoline, bottles, and cheap rags. People are sour because they believe that a tank shouldn't get taken out by a 23mm or 30mm cannon but fail to understand that french tanks were tough as nails when Germany invaded during WWII. They were a bit slow and vastly outnumbered by the weaker armed but faster german tanks. The Tiger wasnt even a factor in the early war. I'm pretty sure they entered service shortly after France fell.

Thank you for working on pacing and enunciation! Best Regards!

I remember how painful the sidam25 was. Basically half a second of AP ammo and it costs like 25k to repair and no search radar

Nice how we can hear the in game voices but not the other sounds in Spookstons vids lol

See Gaijin's logic is instead of adjusting direct short-term impact numbers like Spawn Point cost, they will understand your feedback as "We understand, we will increase repair costs for certain SPAAs even higher."

theres too many diferent types of AA to even place them in the same "tree" I hate grinding but "truly AA" without tank-killing potential should stay away in their own tree And "versatile AA" with AP rounds, heavy HE or auto-gun should have their own

How about war thunders Air problem.

I mostly agree with the video, however one thing that wasn't mentioned, is that AAs mostly aren't that great at anti air, especially in RB. Lower caliber AA often doesn't do a lot of damage and while 40mm cannons usually shred the plane in a single hit, they are incredibly hard to hit with due to the low volume of fire. Unless the plane is coming straight at me, I rarely ever hit planes. Not only that, but given how lightly armoured they are, planes can take them out incredibly easily, so AAs are often a better matchup against light or medium tanks than against planes.

I think some SPAA need a buff to their actual AA and a nerf to their AT.. something like the Duster for example could be given fuse shells and remove the AP belt.

I just love that spookston says that everything has a problem literally

I like playing SPAA but there is a massive issue when it comes to being able to shoot down aircraft: before radar or similar lock-on, the skill floor is ridiculously high in comparison to the rest of the game at a given BR past something like 2.0. Most of the time it's also compounded by the vehicles themselves: no protection vs. any machine gun, slow firing (but powerful & that work vs. ground) cannon and nothing to actually aim with. Fighting planes that see in 3rd person, hear AA shots easily and can maneuver easily with mouse flight usually doesn't end well. An experienced pilot can also dunk on AA with such ease..

the first step to balancing them would be pretty easy and it would make the game a lot better, limit planes, so you can only spawn 3 per match or smth AND increase sp req even more (i would love if they completelly removed planes from ground battles, but theyll never do that)

You also forgot that some countries desperately need new AA vehicles to fill up the huge br gaps like Italy, France and to some extent the UK and Japan.

i don't hate AA. I see them killing tanks no different than a APC killing tanks. If a AA is overpowered than gaijin hasn't gave it a high enough BR. I strongly disagree with the limiting of AP belts

There is an interesting flip side to this in arcade the aa's are from 4.0 to 7.0 more a punching bag for the planes than the other way around

There is also a snowball effect, the more spaa and lightly armoured vehicles are played, the more effective spawning in one becomes.

You're a very smart and entertaining guy. I think you'd be a cool video idea for you to analyze and speculate what the doctrine of the UNSC vehicles would be. Because they don't have any close air support I wonder.

The big thing for actual anti-air is rate-of-fire. Especially as planes get faster and faster, your window for actually hitting an aircraft gets dramatically slimmer, so you need a higher ROF (either with a faster single gun, or having slower guns synchronized to each other) to more effectively hit the faster and more powerful aircraft. But, of course, faster ROF combined with larger shell calibers, increases the likelihood of the SPAA to be abused (see: the Wirbelwind). A thing that could help, might be in limiting the roles that can be spawned? Like, a team can only have x-amount of heavy tanks, x-amount of SPAA, x-amount of SPGs, x-amount of CAS, and then light and medium tanks can run around all they want. This is how we deal with the problem of OP weapons in Darkest Hour '44-45: keep them, in all their death-and-destruction glory, but limit the number of them available so they can't absolutely break the game.

Honestly was surprised to see this video - I’ve not generally found any issue with anti-air that isn’t the R3, and even that is less of an issue nowadays. The only AA’s I see as badly balanced are some of the radar gun AA like Gepard or VEAK-40 (a straight up better M247 thats still 8.0 for some reason), but a lot of CAS around that area is equally undertiered, so it makes little difference

We also find a few of the trees have AA's that require more knowledge or skill (slow firing bofors) and are not replaced for entire ranks which can reduce a teams overall AA ability if players have an AA but wont use it for AA because it doesnt feel rewarding as being able to drive with cruise control on an clear 5 tanks in 30 seconds.

Another one you forgot to mention for AA’s that can’t really kill any tanks is the Shilka

i think that if there were ai planes and copters flying around AA would be preocupied with dealing with the enemy air assests and not have to fight ground units

I like your channel because you give your opinion, explain why and finishes with a suggestion. Good criticism

I just got out of argument with someone on reddit about anti-air not being good enough against planes if we had the same plane spawn system for GF AB as in naval arcade... The issue with mobile AAA is that it wasn't supposed to be so powerful and shred planes to pieces, but it was supposed to be a deterrent - you won't be strafing down on a group of tanks when something like AAA is shooting at you in real scenario, but who cares, that's just a game. So we got to a point where AAA has to be able to shred planes efficiently and because of that it also affects the play against tanks. If we had the GF RB made in a way that we have some players choosing to spawn in a single plane on airfield like in Air RB (have only single life) and others spawning in only tanks, this could work completely differently because the pilots wouldn't risk their planes so much for a single kill, because right now if they make a kill, they'll have some points for a comeback with another vehicle.

Absolutely fucking love the subtle subnautica music in the background

I feel limiting the ap ammo is the best option as raising the sp cost to light tanks would decrease usage of AA. I currently run an almost all ap load out on my AA as of now, mostly because I suck with AA and cannons, so targeting light armor is my goal. Great video and brings a valid point about AA.

my problem with spaa is the tunguska some times the thing just looks at me in my 2a6 and my gun is dead in 1ms and than i die at 20 fps as it fires so many rounds that the serves just give up and let them pen

For arcade, ai aircraft could be introduced to tank battles like in ground assault, that could target the spawn area of their opposing team

Speaking of AA vehicles you should do a video on the ZSD63. I’m curious to see how you perform with it at mid to high tier

That boredom problem could be solved by allowing you could return to spawn to switch out for another vehicle in your lineup, with either a full or partial refund of the SPAA’s SP, and having the first vehicle remain good and ready to go. Of course if you took a proper tank out first and died you’re out of luck but it would be a nice alternative to being useless. This could also be used to switch to a plane without wasting a perfectly good tank and costing your team victory points.

There’s a difference between something like a Wirblewind, with it’s 4 20mms spraying HVAP to lolpen a T-34, but can still take on planes, and the M42 or M19, which while having bigger 40mm Bofors, have more trouble hitting fast planes, and can go for side shots. The Wirble and the Italian 20mm SPAA had their HVAP belts cut in half, so now it’s more of a risk to just hunt tanks. This also keeps them from going crazy.

spookston: makes video on anti-air me: where is my r-3 and why is it not included in the quasi tank destroys

At this point it's War Thunder's "insert anything here" War Thunder's War Thunder problem xd

Ah yes, my M42 Duster. My most successful SL spender

Disappointed by no mention of the R3 T20 and how ridiculous that thing is. Got to love sending a 1980s Italian vehicle against early 1940s vehicles that it shreds at the same BR!

Low tier SPAAs are mostly designed to be set up and used in groups shooting down slower targets like Lancasters or He-111s, so it gets kind of frustrating when you're the only AA on your team and you have to shoot down a fighter

The idea of gaijin applies on plane loadout is quite nice, diffence payload cost diffence spawn point ,maybe it can be use on the tank ammunition like it you take full ap belt or other special ammo you may need more spawn point to spawn ,it work quite ok for plane

One issue i wish they fixed was adding flak guns for lower brs to help deter aircraft a bit more. Also not referring to map flak cannons I'm referring to more flak cannon vehicles, as the only one rn is the Flak 88 Truck and VFW which is a pain in the ass to rangefinder just to fire a round

>Most hated vehicle type in the game No, that would be CAS. Definitely CAS.

Did you get a new mic it sounds better keep up the good vids

00:39 "Thats a vehicle meant to destroy planes, how can it destroy tanks so well?" Enter the German Flak 88- German Eastern front- WW2 lol

Even if I throw away the objective is on the ground issue for low pen SPAA, they are also hard to use well against planes. New players haven't completely gone away from using rangefinding from 500m or beyond yet, asking them to shoot agile targets 1km away with 1km/s HE belts is just a waste of their effort and not fun at all. Fast firing guns partially compensate the accuracy issue but you need multiple hits to do any serious damage anyway, it's still user-unfriendly. I'm not good at it either, unless one flies towards me I'm unlikely to hit them, let alone destroying them. This means my lineup (as a ground main, I dont like flying) either has no SPAA or only use those that deal with tanks well and mainly shoot at tanks with them. Further making SPAAs less true to their namesake.

Air supremacy in realistic GROUND modes is a far bigger problem until you get to the top tiers. AA is hard to use and everyone else is basically defenseless. Air units being hard to use in a ground mode should be absolute least concern.

And also the high BR radar AAs, they are braindead against planes and helis but nerfing them would make the airforce completely OP

As a different idea: Why not remove the AP munitions from the "difficult" SPAAs like the falcon, but give them scouting and repairing ability, so they have something to do in their meantime. I dont mind not being able to kill tanks, if i had more to do when following my team. Which is what they should be doing anyways. Repairing seems like a really good idea, not that sure about the scouting. Maybe they need to have a longer cooldown inbetween scouts, or implement 2 different scouting mechanics and give the more "advanced" one to light tanks.

I think that the Gepard is one of the best examples on how to handle AA vehicles, in my experience I usually need 20AP shots for a Tank kill and I can carry only 40of them this actually makes me defend our Cap Zones since I can reload my AP there

As a US main, Any changes they make to SPAAs ability to kill tanks wouldn't matter to me anyways since the M247 is the first one that even poses a threat to tanks and its all the way up at 8.7

Spookston: Wants Antiair that have AP capability nerfed. Spookston: Wants HSTVL SAM with the regular HSTVL having Proxy fuse. Seems legit.

The most glaring issue is the lack of actual AA sights. If you want people to shoot at planes, you should equip them to do so.

Spookston's War Thunder Problem

How did you get the gunner heat pc voice lines in war thunder? Also love the videos!

The majority of the problems with CAS is setting a timer on how soon it can be spawned in and removing KILL cam entirely. Only show the the last few moments of the projectile hitting you and nothing of the entire flight path.

Also ironically, people in Arcade stay more honest to their role when they spawn in an SPAA. Because you will light up on everyone's HUD like christmas tree, you can't hide in cheeky spots to get flank shots. People will usually instagib you if you peek because they are aware of you. Meanwhile the powercreep of pure AA players is insanely slept on, considering Arcade GB's CAS spawns mechanics. You can effectively sit idle in spawn, wait for people to get some CAS points, and then easily snipe out any Fighter/Bomber with the arcade indicator. You don't even need to land a killing blow either, most Fighters will suicide dive into a tank, so if you get even the tiniest 7.62 mm scratch on them, it counts as your full kill. Combine this with the mechanic of getting a free CAS point every few minutes if your team is holding the Objective advantage, you can watch a movie in your spawn and rack up stupid amounts of ground kills, by hopping into a fighter and deleting any open-tops/armored cars/BMPs while occasionally bombing the 4 heavy tanks sitting on the Objective, since everyone will be brightly displayed and identified on your HUD.

I’ve gone back a few times for some quick SL gains in USSR 3.7 and I’ve found the ZSU-37 is a lovely little machine when played like a light tank with the full AP belts (not the HVAP belt). It eats german armor like a garbage disposal

My main problem with lower tier AA, is that hit reg is extremely poor, and shooting down anything that isn't flying low or towards you is more luck. I personally attribute this to the default scope being useless for AA, and no way to gauge distance on aircraft.

Gaijin completely ignores muzzle velocity when "balancing" SPAA vehicles. If there was any change to SPAA, I would hope that vehicles with absurdly high muzzle velocity relative to their BR equivalents get moved up.

I think a good start would be similar to what you suggested in your tank destroyer video, separating them in to different subclasses (missile platform, auto cannon, radar for example). Then balancing each subclass rather than the entire class across the board.

Personally, I like the current spawn point cost of aircraft and AA. When I play tanks, I usually get the small, cqc maps which I personally hate for tank on tank combat so being able to get at least a counter cas fighter fairly easily means even if I get a map I hate, I can do a little and be able to spawn in something I can enjoy using and still be useful to the team as a spotter or knocking down their planes quickly. And being able to rather reliably get ground guns to help distract and keep tabs on enemy planes is really useful

You could make it that AP belts require more spawn points. Kind of like how the Do-335 and other aircraft do.

High br radar+cannon spaags are so useless nowadays. Gayjin nerfed the accuracy to the degree that one long burst can't even make a single hit. Also if the target is flying low, the lead indicator will go crazy.

I think the logical evolution for higher tier is the addition of Shrikes and other HARMs for jets. Especially now that Gaijin has reaffirmed that helicopters are intended to be cheaper than fixed wing craft, despite being an arguably better platform for destroying armored vehicles. Although as with anything, it’s more complicated than that.

The vehicles that I hate more are planes and choppers, so actually I like when there is anti air on the match.

The thing about the limited AP belts idea is that, at least for me, the M19 and 42's HE does literally fucking nothing to aircraft when I use it so I end up taking full AP and taking their wing off with it

Finally some recognition of the Lvkv 42, I loved that thing before it was downtiered, for hunting Panthers.

My favorite is the Begleitpanzer 57, (Begel Panzer).. If the 57mm Bofors doesn't do them in, there's always the TOW-II to break their hearts.

Can’t wait for war thunder’s medium tank problem

Spooks ton are you doing anything for a 150k sub special?

It seems like most of the CAS problems are around 6.7-7.7, so they should definitely have very good spaa. What frustrates me though is top tier, where radar guided AA tanks were implemented before the radar guided/IR guided systems were ever put in place for war thunder, hence why its a radar lock, fire missile, and you just keep watching the aircraft. I think for top tier SPAA it should be purely a radar lock or IR lock, no guidance from the player.

WIth the new changes to the speed and maneuverability of AA missiles most top tier AA have to rely on eyeballing shots and a slight jink from a plane will make you miss entirely the proxy helps but when my Tunguska can't kill Apaches flying 2km away and my adats cant kill g91s something is wrong

I'm going to say this as a Pilot and former Squadron Battle player: Planes should be available with ground attack ordnance from the start of a battle, at the cost of all Spawn points, but would have a limit to 4 planes at a time for low player count matches, and up to 6 or 8 when there's a lot of players. The planes would not get an airspawn and would instead have to take off from the airfield, bombers would get an airspawn above the airfield. That way, you can make spawning an AA at the start valuable without having the risk of planes whiping out tanks in the spawn at the start of the match. AAs and planes have an interesting dynamic, since both can kill the other pretty easily if they land their shots but with the AAs having the advantage of being easier to hide while planes are easier to spot in an open sky.

Whenever i get killed in my IS-2 i then spawn to my ZiS-12 i find Panthers or Unarmored tanks like the St Emil, Dicker Max, M19, R3, and etc

I think they can make the AP belts cost more SP like how its done in aircraft, seems like a simple solution. If you need to kill planes, you can spawn in for low cost and if you are using it as a TD you have to pay the TD price.