12:21 Shredder's name translates to "wtii"

The moral of the story is that regardless of map, every unit is a hero. Yes, even Frost Wyrms. So, when your micro lapses and that one militia dies to a troll while creeping, know that your laziness caused the death of a HERO!

I'm not going to be very concise here but those who are interested can try to follow along if they like. I'm fixing a few things and making some balance changes to the map based on what I saw in the video and what people have said. The standstill at the end wasn't very fun. I think restricting the amount of towers people can build is best, rather than simply removing towers completely. Towers were being spammed because players found themselves in a situation where they couldn't spend their gold on anything else. This is something else I need to look at. Secondly, I think the food cap could be increased from the current cap of 75 to 85, 90 or even back to 100. You'd be able to build more units. You always seemed to not have the food you needed to get what you wanted. Beginning with your Tier 2 Town Hall, I'd like you to be able to research an upgrade to your units that raises their initial level when they are trained to 2. Your Tier 3 Town Hall would unlock the second level of that upgrade, raising that initial level to 3. This would make it easier for fresh units to catch up in power level to older units. I'm thinking of increasing the costs of upgrades. With the cost of units increased, it sems somewhat reasonable that upgrades went up in price as well, especially with people capping out quickly and lacking things to spend gold on. I was also thinking of adding a fourth upgrade tier to damage and armor upgrades, and a third tier to caster upgrades that granted more health, mana and mana regeneration, but obviously didn't unlock a new ability for it. There was a time I thought about adding an ultimate ability for the units based on a Hero ability, say Chain Lightning for Shamans, but I ultimately decided against it. I just thought I'd vent the idea, but I like "keeping it melee" as well. The maximum level is 5. It seemed fair at the time. Would you like to see your units level past that point, and would you like to see more levels of the levelable abilities? There are a lot of items on the map. There's probably something neat about the gradual growth of power in units with these items, but I could also reduce the amount of items significantly, while making the remaining items dropped be more powerful. You'd have less items to manage for your army, and whichever units did hold items would see more significant stat boosts from them. I'd also like to see more consumable items mixed in if I make the above change happen. Powerful on use items mixed in more generously among the dropped items for you to panic and try to find among your group of units. You'll see Scrolls of Town Portal in the shop again. The Staff of Teleportation acts like one, and essentially nothing will change except the icon of that Staff and the issue with double-clicking it to TP home will be fixed, I promise. I've added a little message already to explain to you that your Troll Headhunter can't learn Berserk. In case you're wondering why I don't just let you upgrade it, here's why: You may want to not spend points on something not available for you to use for a time. You'd perhaps like to have the regeneration, and so you put points in it. But then you upgrade to Berserkers and you really want Berserk. But you wasted all your points. So instead of using them you save them all for Berserk later. That's a little irritating, so instead the Troll Berserker research simply resets all of your skill points, and to streamline that and prevent any mistakes I made Berserk unlearnable for Headhunters. On another note, Shredders and Ghouls actually gain XP for gathering. They can upgrade their ability to harvest lumber, BUT when they do their currently held lumber is lost. It's a limitation I can't seem to get past. That's why there's red-coloured text with a warning explaining this. I hoped the red colour would draw your eye but you just learned it. It's understandable, though. There's a lot going on. The Feral Spirit summon you found in the shop at the end was thought of as a way to make creeping easier early on, just like the Rod of Necromancy for undead. I'm not sure how useful it is in that regard. Of course, humans and night elves have an item like it too. On the topic of items, Orbs had to go. Orbs work by enabling a unit's second attack. That's great and all, but many units already have a second attack. It was just better to scrap them entirely. I'm also thinking of making flying units unable to pick up Boots of Speed. By the way, I doubt anyone realised this but you can upgrade your Banshee's Possession up to the point it can Possess one of the Ancient Sasquatch on the map. I saw you struggle to learn Berserk on a Berserker once and I'm going to try to figure out what's going on there. It seemed like a one off kind of thing but it's worrying me a bit.

I really like this map, puts a good spin on your normal melee game. The one thing I think I'd like to see is something that lets you sort of keep some of your items if a unit dies. Because losing units sucks big time here, you lose all your investment such as tomes and lvls. It'd be nice if you could build something with 6 inventory spaces that takes a random item from one of your dying units and puts it into its own inventory. That way, if you lose a unit, you can retrain one and pick up your items from the building. That and it'd be nice if you could train higher lvl units as the game goes on, though I suppose there's always marketplaces and tomes of exp for that.

Wtii- "This could be a trap." Zeppelin-"Aaahhhh!" XD

this one of, if not the most entertaining custom game i have ever seen. want more!

1:19 Dryad: HI Wtii: hi.. XD

Actually there is an option in the world editor to hide the hero portraits for chosen units, i just forgot how.

There was a cool warcraft 2 clone game back in the day, called 'Rival Realms' where every unit could level up, pick up items, etc. Quite an interesting game with cozy graphics, and also it was developed by a British studio. You should definitely check it out, WTii, I think you would like it.

I say, We need more of this map, its entertaining, fun to play and its gonna be unique for every time, imagine the strats for this map, wow

The "WC4" thing you talk about, units leveling up, it's kind of like Battle for middle Earth, you got you heroes, then you have units that level up independently

You absolutely have to play a 1v1 or 2v2 (maybe w/ sexytime?) with this mechanic! love it

So many great names

the ""i never get WOOD sry ladies " got me XD

Fantastic map.

Troll is named level 5 pitlord lol!. love the little things

I'm curious how Tauren and Spirit Walkers would work together.

hello wtii hope to see another gameplay of this map!!

The time of knowledge gave a point not reset, but them on the shredder to up it's wood gathering

Such a crazy fun-version of a standard 6v6 ^^ would been interesting to see a game where everyone had Melee units/heroes only. Would be able to see who got the best micro :D

After 8 min of watching the video, came out to like it. Awesome potential of this map! Would love to watch it again! Nice idea with increasing food + gold cost of the units so there aren't like 30 of them (would be impossible to control). Before the game started I thought to halve the food caps (50 food max), but doubling the costs works as well. Would like to see some hero spells introduced (e.g. stormbolt stormbolt stormbolt, but a very weak version of it tho)

Reminds me of Relic style RTS games like Coh, but especially like Dawn of war 2.

this is fun need moree

14:09 troll headhunter is Guldan lol

More games like this, I wanna see hero units 1v1

ORC is my fav race on warcraft 3

SO FRUSTRATING TO WATCH HIM NOT LEVEL UP THE SHREDDER FOR AN HOUR

Woah, this map needs some balancin' (Boots of speed on frost wyrms) etc. But an awesomely fun map to play and watch.

The food cap needs to be upped to at least 100

Imagine pimped out a skeleton only to lose it in 60 seconds

i got excited i thought it was gunna be 100/100 food in mass heroes as in you could get multiple pandas and mountain kings blademasters ect being able to get every races heroes but this was still good

Wait, so is that where orb of corruption got its other name? The noise it makes? I thought there was some elaborate backstory I missed for finding the channel a year ago or so.

more of this map pls

warcraft 4 ... the dream

Wtii please do this again!!!!!

also you can get a orb of (faction specific orb here) on every mele unit that would be strong

more of it pls

Would be so weird if everyone started shouting their units names like Hey ! I have potato! i have destruction! cat blabla, and then he has autism

I had this map idea but too lazy to finish it

Damn bro, you need to play moar of it, looks so funny, dunno if the mercs are also heroes but it would be very nice, with custom models for units, buildings and items

I have an idea, payback for all units and heroes in WC3, all heroes are based on the units and the heroes become the units Example : Human Hero : Knight, Priest, Shield Breaker, Gryphon Rider Units : Paladins, Archmages, Bloodmages, Mountain Kings, workers

how to use those modifications? how to apply them to the game? is this simply a map with specific settings allowing to play like that?

I watch ALL of your old videos please revamp these and altered meles!!

Hardrevo brilliant name.😂

Is there anything like this made on reforged or is this just an old gem?

mass kodos on this :o

we need more lumber ~O~

Wow. Unlike most of customized melee games, this one is kinda sensible and haz lots of fun and potential! But it needs more balance. I believe there should be more diverse approach to multiplying unit costs. E.g. wyrms should definitely cost at least 3x of food and may be 4x of gold/wood in comparison to original game costs. Some unpopular and/or weak units like taurens and ghouls might cost only 1.5x of food and 2x of gold/wood to encourage their usage. So, a more flexible approach is needed, not just 2x everything. Something should be made to towers in the late game, but I don't know what. Making them more expensive is not an option because on the one hand it is not fair to leave base unprotected in the early game and on the other hand expensive towers won't be a problem in the late game. And dropping items is bullshit. Too much favour for the enemy. They already get expirience and your time and resources spent on that unit lost. Giving them items is too imbalance. At least items should be just gone with unit/hero

I wonder if the AI can play on this map. That would be interesting to see.

U missed the chance of having a lvl 5 Tauren with upgraded pulverize and 6 items that gives 10 strength each...

Plzz anyone can you help me?? I am looking for WAR3 CUSTOM CAMPAING map to download i can only find HIVE WORKSHOP PLZZ HELP ME

sexytime the demolisher XD

do u use the battle net re reales version

Vas672 isn't the brightest cookie in the jar. A.k.a. have zero skill, waste a ton of gold on towers, then ask for some more, then build some more, then brag about it, then engage badly, then ask for help. Isn't the brightest cookie, is he.

do the undead imbalance here

Banshee posession?

hero siege tanks?

Hey Wtii I have a question about Worldedit do you have an email or something of that sort that I can msg you? thanks!

Thought this was going to be a map that made good use of HeroicUnit, still neat map! www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/heroicunit-engineering-upgrade-on-non-hero-units.270930/

Did you get a new facecam? o.O

hevshould hide the icons in the top

How do i see you livestreaming

Hi Wtii

humas too powerfull, too much heal = too much lvl .

Hoi