You and your moral high ground...

+abcdef abcdef Missed opportunity there for a Tracer quote. XD

:D

I can imagine a service announcement in stormwind city; "bullying causes demon invasions"

LOL

Brilliant quote. What is it from and what else you got wise stranger?

@@vojtaniedelsky8011 It is an old African proverb.

pretty relevant in 2019

I can't help but think of naruto. Imagine if he went "gul'dan" on the leaf village

@@finnheisenheim8274 If naruto was created in the past couple years, it may have taken a very different approach where the protagonist would be portrayed as anti-hero or dark hero. However, back then, readers / fans preferred hot-blooded heroes who acted like Jesus, he will forgive his enemies and save his allies at all costs. Bleach, Fairy Tails, Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball all had one thing in common, the protagonist is literally a good person with the purest of heart despite whatever darkness he has been through. (Even in the direst of times, he will use his "dark" or "hidden" power for good). And then there came a different approach with protagonists, you get Death Note, Tokyo Ghouls, and Hellsing. These dudes are not evil, but hanging between the edge of a villain and someone morally grey. Like i said, if you look at the movies or tv series nowadays, comparing to the past, the younger generation are more interested in anti-heroes or "cool" villains than normal-old-school heroes. If naruto was created in 2017 or later, he would not necessarily burn the leaf village to ashes, but he might just slaughter those who caused his misery and the deaths of his parents.

Flibber Nodgets lol

You never know if that guy will turn into green fel blood drug dealer

Flibber Nodgets i mean it's both logical and natural to turn against a society who alienated and shunned you. Gul'dan is a product of the uncaring and savage tribe culture of orcs

This is the cruel reality of life. The bullied victims turns into villians while the jocks that bullied them turn into heroes :(

Fel School Shooter.

I've learned a bit of fel magic, don't come to the axe fighting training grounds tomorrow

I woudln't. It's just a slideshow with sound.

I would watch a Blizzard Cinematic (the beautifully rendered kind, not the in-game type) with this story.

Agreed

Same. Those cinematics are killer, though. Literally. Beyond expensive and difficult to make, so a movie would be nearly impossible to create in that CGI.

+Rowan Buchanan You are so wrong... wow...

I guess green is the white in orcs

You better outrun my felfire

Pumped up locks

it's like those school shooters

Don't come to the village tomorrow

ياالله ي ثور البركان وياالله يمقوم زلزال

@@appstore7702 shindu falla-nah

He still ended up killing the elder, who was nice to him

@@tyrmyrmidon2846 One person isn't enough. Everyone should have been nice to him or he wouldn't have gone nuts. Which is way I said "Be nice to everyone."

Alternatively, the lesson is that if you kill the rejects you'll always be safe.

Gul'dan = Nomi confirmed

This is black humor at its' best

Zuzanna Stawowska it really...really isnt

rofl

'To serve Dranei'?😏

I ship it

Do you think Warlord Ner'zhul taught Warlord Gul'dan like he did in the main timeline? Or do you think the two times are just completely different like that?

+Kakio Bukakio?

So are they retconning Gul'dan's old story? Or is this some alt universe stuff? I haven't really kept up with the lore since cata.

This could be the Warlords of Draenor Gul'dan. It would explain the difference since things DID go differently in WoD then in our version of Draenor/Gul'dan.

They must have at least partly retconned the original story.

Yes and no. This likely IS with the whole alternate universe thing, but also maybe in connection with the movie? They had Christie Golden write a new novel about Durotan as a prequel to the movie. This appears to match what Gul'Dan's story could have been for that. I am not sure if they have said the movie stuff is supposed to be canon now or what?

Devin Moravec movie stuff is not cannon. But the original lore is old, so some of the changes made for the movie or for Warlords may apply.

***** Yes, this is the alternate one. But parts of his story may apply to the original Gul'dan. Only the other orc who cheats knows.

Doesn't make much since for the Alternate reality gul'dan...seeing how his origins take place way before Garrosh even came into the picture to roll in the new reality. This is retcon if anything.

Gul'dan didn't rip apart Draenor. Ner'zhul did. And the Elements survived, you can see them if you go to Nagrand.

@@raziel6304 i think their elemental plain was ruines tho

technically Gul'dan didn't shatter Draenor but he aided in it so half-right and The elements are alive in (Outland) Nagrand at the Throne of Elements but they may have been weakened during the shattering of Draenor but still he did get the Elementals back

Legion rips apart Gul'dan

as you can see i am alive

He was the one that caused that and also,he is not devoted to the legion,he just use their power

What you just described is how gangs lure the poor misfortunate in them pretty much.

ye

@@zewarlock+1

whats it called

Tyrius Wolfe kuhdgur will prutuct us xd

RIP Grample Gust. No one living knows of the village of his birth...

Why are you always on every video related to wow?

o.o

well yeah.."Thank you" but ...u know...gotta be a homicidal maniac now :D

I think he just liked the cool stick

cr4yv3n hu

I wish we could’ve looted it.

He was merciful to the shaman. It was either killing the old shaman or leaving him to the same fate he tasted in the open wastes.

Date: So... tell me about yourself Me: I am darkness incarnate.

After session: Thank you......i found.....my destiny *burns the therapist with fel fire*

😁😆

EXACTLY GUL' DAN ACTED LIKE A REAL MAN

Purely Evil

@TheGreaterGood80 thats because he never earned his power, it was gifted to him by the legion and could be taken away by the legion. a good lesson here is earn your power by your own perseverance, or work to become better than even your teachers.

@@thelonelyduck7267 Well, he suffered and endured and it was his will fight back that lead him to the Fel. One could argue that a big strong agile 'hero' was born with physical power so that was 'given' to him as well.

run little girl, run away

Soo glad I'm not the only one who heard that...

fk u noobs

Omg its u Letalis from SWTOR ? Really love your vids!

hey

I think that's the point. Blizzard is trying to give you a reason to have emotion when we kill him. And give us more to him , than , he's a bady to go on. And I'm sure he'll start crying it was there fault and such when we bring him to 0 HP to tug at our heart strings. Not going to be an easy fight knowing that he was just victim to not knowing other than people are cruel and unforgiving before he was given the power to do something about it.

He's just a poor misguided kid :( he just want to be loved :C poor old gul'dan!

kam hagh And now he's a raid boss. Oh how the world can be cruel.

+Jack ripper (Jack the ripper) lol

kam hagh you won't laugh when he goes hardcore heart strings when his HP hits 0.

Neglect and abuse leads to destruction. amen.

Its true

Atleast guldan thanked the old orc

@@bladefeather2293... and then killed him

@@BestBoiA :v

Yes. And no one! Ever! Will!

Still was a snide kind of thank you, and he stole his staff. Don't really think Gul'dan cared for the Shaman any more than the rest of the clan.

It's not stealing if the guy's dead. It's looting.

Based on the face Gul'dan makes right after the "thank you", I'd say it was a taunt. Like "Thanks for tell me to go to the Elements who turned their back on me - there, I found something better."

Id say it was legit thanks... because he did find his destiny, ironically not the destiny the shaman expected. :P

Well, in a sense the shaman was right, he did found his destiny at the Trhone of the Elements, he never said that the elements themselves would bring it to him.

Winnie the Poo damnit

I still think it's fishy how Cho's ancestor in the vision was wearing a Keepers of Time tabard.

That's the guy that voices the new Winnie the Pooh.

Rofl. Thank you for making my day :).

omg I laughed at this comment

Dino Mulalic Use commas properly, kids.

r/wooooosh

@@Elliamy01 who are you wooshing and what for?

I chocked on my food when I read it

Do jesus

You can still pity him, the movie isn't the real event.

He screwed over Durotan even in the Cannon version.

well it's a good thing no one was talking about the movie.

Gul'dan is responsible for Durotan's death in the canon story as well. So technically the OP isn't wrong for posting this.

It actually is

Why not? Lol

He's quoting Hatred.

He's quoting a school shooter's mesage on 4chan. He said "some of you guys are alright. don't go to school tomorrow." very edgy.

PathosFear some of you are alright. Don't log onto KZfaq tomorrow

2 likes mann

Mustardfilms Productions No he shoud have said : Sorry

ERROR ERROR if he has the skin

He did say thank you at least

Nope he had to say "I greet you"

And at the end just say: "Your soul shall suffer!"

Ah thanks for explaining. :-) You must be worthy and he just wanted power to get revenge on his clan.

+Former Jon Jones Fan Nah, they back aways because they know what he will become.

+Jack Browne there's five

the poo elements

I think Kil'Jaeden let them vanish

The amount of internal suffering he had to have felt.

Slightly??

and jack his beloved staff.

Yea.. that's what he got for failing to help him in the first place I suppose. Unfortunate.

Same here. I thought he was going to be spared :- (

Guldan is an Esports shooter

My cohort?......I.....have....no....cohort! *pumped up kicks plays*

With a nuke

@Ryan W The xenophobe doesn't get jokes.

- WHEEZE -

Hzorian They,then cringe and think about not talking to you later.

LOL

lol

Them: Your from Milwaukee arent you? You: Wha!.. N...No! Shut up! *cue tripping as you run away*

Nice. But if you were bullied, make it real, :V

The old gods and the legion are not on the same side

+Finalrellik99 Sargeras and the Old Gods are not on the same side, but what if Kil'jaeden sided with them? He does not care about the universe as much as Sargeras... Just speculating hehe

getting your void and your fel mixed up :P

+Finalrellik99 Yeah, and? That's just a good thing, The Old Ones should not have to share world domination with anyone.

love seeing u and hellscream on wow videos😂

Humanized a demonically warped Orc? Do you mean Orcanized?

@ransac16 The point is, they made him more sympathetic. Still, probably best not to let that stop you from fighting Gul'dan; he's too far gone now.

I know, they made me feel bad for him :(

I don't think they made him more sympathetic. Sure he was kick out but he used that discrimination to fuel his own hatred. Not really that much sympathetic like arthas who try to do good thing but end up not.

All it did was tell us HOW did gul'dan come into contact with the legion in the first place. Still shows us that he WAS one of the most evil characters in wow then. Even MORE evil now.

That all changed, when the Fire nation attacked.

@@Blondie42 Fel* nation.

It's a pretty overused sound effect. I hear it everywhere.

Ahhh that was where I recognized it from! xD

They did? When??

Nah. Bloodborne, and Jojo's.

It's used a lot in Dota 2 aswell.

XD The picture fits the comments all to well

Throne of the Elements, not even once.

No, let them seek the throne of the elements, just don't bully them and exile them for being different.

I was kind of getting the vibe that Gul'dan refused his place as the "village cripple," and that arrogance was the source of the bullying/exile.

I'd do the same thing as Gul'dan if I was in his place, except maybe let the old shaman live.

i know right hellscream :D

I feel like they are re-writing the story of Gul'dan. He was a powerful shaman originally. Unless they are saying that this alternate timezone Gul'dan had a whole different story to begin with. Which if that's the case then I have no issue. Either way was an awesome video.

its not our timeline Gul'dan

+Josh Gamauf dont know about being a powerfull shaman because he still was an apprtice of ner'zul

Doron has more likes than you

the word never isn't in that entire song apart from a a single sentence repeated twice, and it is not that one. you love the song so much but don't know the words

@@codyhumble7855 "CRAWLING IN MY CRAWL, THESE CRAWL WILL NEVER CRAWL"

They will not*

bc u was stuffed into lockers?

Except the fact that he is the only edgy kid who got the edgy magic powers while the others are still figuring out why the book they bought on Amazon to summon demons didn't work.

Truth.

@Makhi Makharadze Someone's projecting hard

anyone know how to make this ty[e of videos? >

fel. heh I get it.

I see what you did thar

FelsBadMan

Mannoroth you filthy casual.

+Level 58 Death Knight your nickname tho xD When you played the Death knight just for the beggining area lore

Everything.

4986 apexis crystals of course!

4986 apexis crystals? Is that it? Considering the mount costs 150,000 I feel like he's selling himself short.

Everything.... Ssss

I was looking for this. Thank you!

Yeah that is the issue... When everyone is cruel to you without pause, will even the few kind words you get sound like mockery.

@@tnecniw Guldan created that

​@@JRBDWDpsychology created that

@@jpjfrey5673 No. Stop the "making excuses" mindset.

Dingo Egret who said it was irrelevant? It was enforced to the maximum

Lamar A They had that in mind but still, there was no place for him because of his weakness and thats about it, activly killing someone is way worse than just abandoning someone who dosen’t fit into a system at least they gave him a chance and with that method of “killing” they basically say we don’t care if you life or die just don’t do it here and thats fine by me. And my name is not “Russianguy” if you want to call me with a name use the name on youtube because it’s my real one.

"They cast him him out knowing he will not survive" thats not entirely accurate but still close because the old man told guldan to seek the spirits (or something like that)and that he will find the answers there.....guldan did arrive at such place but he was rejected...im not taking sides but my point is at least guldan should have let the old.man live....i mean at least he was trying to help him out...

Dingo Egret sounds like someone bully you in highschool

alexandre devy sounds like you see yourself as an alpha. perceptions and reality are two different things.

Or they were scared off by Mannaroth/Whichever demon lord that was who was whispering to him. They seemed pretty willing to take him in until something spooked them.

+Questionable Object yup,it was kil'jaeden

***** +Stewie xD It kinda sounded more like mannaroth to me with the really deep rumbly voice, but it could have been anyone really.

It honestly could have been Sargeras or KJ. Remember, the leader of the Legion is still alive in the Alternate Time Line.

Well, he's still alive in ours as well . But the whole reason for the Legion showing up was that Kil'jaeden's job was to convert as many races as possible from the great dark to the Legions armies. Kil'jaeden , however, had a vendetta to chase after first. He despised the Draenei, and more so Velen, for turning away such an offer , and in his eyes abandoning them. So, Kil'jaeden , killing two birds with one stone. Converted the Orcs , whilst getting his revenge, so he thought. sargeras had nothing to do with that bit. sargeras doesn't do anything directly , he leads his forces from Argus. Which makes sense , being that fear was essentially why he made the Legion. So him sitting in his tower , only dealing with big threats or issues , like us , is to his character. Not that he's cowardly , but , He'd surely take any chance at all to not have to deal with potentially, the void lords.

Amen brother.

the Fel life*

Evidently...

Literally

Yep

الهرا خلق الناس وخله هلون الهلون الله بو هرارن كبير

@@appstore7702 wtf dude?

i mean...he kinda just looks terrified because gul’dan is scary now, thats all

@@appstore7702 bruh, you drunk?

that is a transmog travesty. and I salute you for it.

Rofl. My lock will burn him with two torches :).

I'm torn between Ret and Prot for my main... I want to pally tank but I also want to cleave Gul'dan in half with Ashbringer and avenge

im going to use a Stick, and a blue bubble.

you are soooo mean :(

Elements: "New phone who dis"

He was never humble and he caused that suffering

''Overcome these hardships'' - Do you think Gul'dan's bitterness and hatred would wash away? Or would he rain fire down on his tribe regardless of it's colour?

@@JRBDWD the one issue with that is that we don't really know how much of his personnality was altered by the Fel he embraces fully. though mind you i'm pretty sure, fel or not, that he would have killed those that rejected him regardless

Could be, or both seeing as it's early in his life. Although from my memory he was an apprentice of Ner'zhul so this is probably the alternate Gul'dan.

'Tis the alternate Gul'dan. Our Gul'dan was a Shadowmoon; apprentice of ner'zhul.

Probably the two Gul'dan share a similar past, like the others Warlords we saw on Draenor. Maybe the Original Gul'dan was banned from his clan because his deformity too, but discovered the demonic power later.

I dont get this alternate timeline stuff, can you explain?

DORON!! NOTICE ME SEMPAI~

"And no one... ever... will"

very poetic the way he starts and finishes with it

Digital Mynd S

You never seen good storytelling it seems

@@arbaazshaw8123 do go on, tell us..

why? he killed his whole village even the one who cared for him

frost fire Revange for casting him out mate

and the one who cared for him?

^This

If you mean that old orc who asks him to seek out the Throne of the Elements, the elements turn against him too.

the question on why the elements rejected gul'dan is clearly up for interpretion here so the answer can be whatever you think it is.

The voice of the old shaman sounds a bit like Marius from the diablo 2 cinematic, maybe that's why :P

That and how it ends with all the fire, and a cloaked figure.

@drjones153, He does, but Gul'dan's story is very reminiscent of how Marius used to tell his story too

@TooMuchStarbucks, I was looking for this! Exactly my thought ^^

same! i miss the good ol' "dark days" of blizzard...these days everything they make is so kiddish and light hearted like overwatch, heroes of the storm, and hearthstone...

AU Gul'dan, you're point is invalid.

Its AU Guldan you are talking about our universe guldan that died in the Tomb of Sargeras.

+Papillonmyu isnt he in shadowmoon in BC at some point? or is my bad memory getting worse loo

AU gul dan

@Cody In BC was his spirit/Ghost

lords of war serie was really awesome

its a shame they neglected WOD as they did. But! the future is looking pretty bright =D

For WoD they had similar stories: /playlist?list=PLY0KbDiiFYeP8hkPrVS3y0Ua45EJlWRBw

ChibbyTraxX Oh yeah ive seen those, i meant that they neglected the expansion as a whole. The lords of war series was a great one.

Him being alive and coming back into our timeline would have made for an interesting set up to another scourge specific expansion. Like if the armor could sense the other Ner'zhul in our world and started rejecting Bolvar as it's host, making him lose grasp on the scourge and sending them wild again.

not the armor but the helm of domination

Now you're just being pedantic.

ye but that's like backtracking

Sociology in fantasy form basically.

Yeah, they might murder you. :p

Yeah or else they will come back to shoot up your school

Why because someday they get owned on the broken isles? Or get owned again in another time line? Or oh oh never ever get laid because spikes coming out their back?? No it’s a game,shun whoever you feel

See you at school tomorrow Adam

Lord Gul'dan😈😈😈

He's also Hondo on Star Wars Rebels.

Thanks a ton I knew I knew that voice I just couldn't place it

He's also Winne the Pooh

He is? Never noticed that, now I won't be able to unhear it!

He's in Fallout 4

xD

we still dont know its, name location or clan name, all we know is he had one and he killed everyone in it

Considering the death glare he was giving us at the end, and the way darkness descended as he said that last line... I don't think the poor schmucks he was talking to can be classified as "living" anymore.

Very true.

More likely the Ogre Continent.

no, probably not. He sought out the throne of the elements, which are in Nagrand on Draenor. The "wastes" that he speaks of, could be the area around Grommashar in nagrand. But then again, it could be Faralon, and the wastes could be refering to Faralon/Gorgrond. Altough it would be very unlikely that he would be able to traverse an entire continent by himself.

But isn't Nagrand Warsong territory?

Has not always been Warsong territory. Gul'Dan in his teens is quite some time ago too.

Manfred Grom's father was buried in Nagrand (along with his ancestors), so Warsong has been operating within Nagrand for a while.

I wonder if they were scared off by the demons

@Devon Crusader source?

They did not want him because he had a shutty personality. Chances are that he would have instantky started abusing the power of the elements and the elemental lords knew that.

its story of both gul'dans.. alternate universe starts after dreanor from other dimension connected to our azeroth

***** But our Gul'dan never contacted the legion until Ner'zhul figured out he was being puppeted, so this is a story of alternate only.

Xantog yeah sorry you are right i forgot about that

***** :D

What really confuses me as a lore fan (though i took a break in the last 4 years) is at what point this whole different timeline actually starts at? and what created this whole timeline? how do they connect? halp :(

What

Ha! Everything is better than the WoW "movie".

You forget Twilight...

+NADYN Warcraft was good the effects were awesome and they stayed really close to the lore

It's not even the "WoW" Movie, it's a movie about the first Warcraft, go play their RTS games.

a pathetic emo, you got it right

i would do the same if everyone i knew since i was born told me to go kill my self or that i am a disgrace.

are you from the USA, don't answer if dont want to but, i have this theory about USA ppl (not americans in general)

Wouldn't he be trying to kill himself and not murdering everyone? lol

Not even close. This is an angry vengeful Orc. Close to a psycho who finally loses it and murders everyone. An emo will be more like letting those vultures pick him to death and give up.

He did a lot of wrong, he rejected the shaman that solely wanted to help him and denied the help he was looking for, the elements abandoned him because he wanted the power greedily, he was born an evil crook

dark shaman aren't chosen by the elements. they use Decay to subjugate the elements by force. regular shaman communicate with the elements and create partnerships with them. also, he didnt side with the Legion at the tomb because he wasn't power-hungry lol, he did it because he knew that if he betrayed the legion, he'd have literally no allies and he'd be stopped just like the last gul'dan was stopped. they go over this in the tomb of sargeras audio drama. gul'dan is evil, but he's also a coward and a pawn who bit off way more than he could chew.

Alice Summers the power of Darwinism

Dominique Smith Actually Sociopaths are more evil than Psychopaths given the fact that Sociopaths long to cause harm whereas Psychopaths have no use to cause harm to things and mainly abstain from it. My best friend was a Psychopath and did form an odd bond with me. The ability to make a bond and in their own way "care." For other people is what separates Psychopaths from Sociopaths since Sociopaths and to an extent Narcissists feed off of the negativity of their actions.

Amen.

Every frame is painting ( and its deliciuous )

It would be cool but really wouldn't add anything to the current game experience.

***** You seem to be the one who is confused

i dont think they'd do one for the lich king simply because his lore is immensely fleshed out already (his story was told in wc3, he has a book that tells his story from his childhood up to wrath, etc.)

They better not touch Deathwing. They ruined his entire character in Cataclysm. Let the poor Badawi Dragon rip ):

They already did this for the lich king, its called warcraft 3

moyga they should suffer

noticed how he never mentioned the names of those people or even what clan it was? telling us this story doesn't make us know who they were, they are lost now forever in the ashes of history.

then tell me it's name dumass

Lol

We still don't know what village that is, just a village. So we know he came from a village. Which he already said. Genius ;)

maybe an easter egg can be found in the video that will help us to know the names of things?

@Deathcoldan Ah yes, Jean Jacques Rousseau, famous 18th century philosopher and World of Warcraft blogger.