Time Stamps 0:35 - Empire 3:45 - Bretonnia 5:57 - Beastmen 7:25 - Cathay 9:18 - Chaos Dwarfs 11:22 - Dark Elves 12:23 - Daemons of Chaos 13:02 - Khorne 14:40 - Nurgle 16:07 - Tzeentch 17:27 - Slaanesh 18:18 - Dwarfs 20:45 - Greenskins 23:30 - High Elves 30:50 - Kislev 33:30 - Lizardmen 40:00 - Norsca 43:49 - Ogres 48:13 - Skaven 56:35 - Tomb Kings 59:05 - Vampire Coast 1:01:49 - Vampire Counts 1:04:39 - Warriors of Chaos 1:10:23 - Wood Elves

Massive shout out to whoever edited the entire 74minutes of a tier list vod

you could do a campaign "the best of the worst" where you play only the F or E tier factions

100% please make a tier list on your personal favs/fun factor because that is such a radically different list

I just wanted to mention that the editing in these videos is solid and really helps to visualize the conversation. Keep it up!

Horde armies/“not viable” factions might be fun if you had teams with one on each team or a bunch of players trying to take down the OP faction Edit: might also be better if there’s set objectives like the karak eight peaks campaign, in a OP factions vs multiple others campaign

Watching alberic getting higher than other bret lords brings a tear to my eye. He was my first lord because he looked so generic i could roleplay anything.

This was a great list and as a frequent Head To Head enjoyer myself, I agree with 95% of the placements. Mother Ostankya, in the middle stages of her campaign, can upgrade her teleport to include any army, belonging to any faction, to any tree on the map - including enemy legendary lords, and including trees you have not even seen yet. Imrik's doomstack is in your way? Doesn't matter, send him to Cathay. This ability is only a 5 turn cooldown, so she can easily banish multiple armies, from anywhere on the map, and have the ability recharged before they even finish the long walk back. Her final spell, if you manage to unlock it, inflicts *permanent attrition on all armies* of her enemies, but only if they are a faction that spreads corruption. I would put her in not MP viable, or else ban these two abilities. The final hex is late game and the campaign may end before she unlocks it, but the abusable teleport can be unlocked early on and makes the game nearly unplayable for her opponent since any key defending army will just be instantly removed. My recent experience playing as Alarielle has convinced me that she's far above all the other High Elves, mainly due to her ability to recruit numerous handmaiden heroes and also her short campaign victory being extremely easy to achieve and granting you +3 hero capacity for every hero type. This ability to get dozens of heroes, along with her insane growth bonuses combined with high elven economic power and easy access to the sword of khaine, makes her really hard to stop. She can easily have enough Loremasters and Mages to put a caster hero in every single army if you wish. The difficulty in confederating other high elf lords is also barely relevant to her, since she farms influence very easily and can just use Intrigue at the Court to skyrocket her rep with the others when the time comes (the magic number for confederating is 150 rep, so anything above that will dramatically increase your confederation chances). I'd put her at the top of A, or lower S, well above Tyrion (who you will just confed anyway and get his global recruit bonus). Skarbrand - I'm assuming you have seen the video of Skarbrand burning down 50+ cities in one turn and getting his long campaign victory by turn 8. It's a bit harder to pull off in multiplayer, but he can still easily go on a rampage around turn 15-20 and choose to either burn down 30+ cities for 200k gold, or go straight for the other player and target all their undefended settlements. Opponents won't have the movement range to catch Skarbrand since he will have 2x their movement range and keep resetting it after every razed city. The later the game goes, the weaker Skarbrand will get as other factions get their economy online, but no one can rush and end the game like he can. Daniel - Depends on the type of campaign. If you are playing a shorter type of game and intend to finish quickly, then yes, Daniel is terrible. But, after 40-60 turns or so, once Daniel finishes unlocking his various dedications, he can get some truly nutty bonuses that include zero upkeep units, teleport ambush, nurgle plagues, bloodletting, etc. The upkeep reduction is the main thing, as he can get several of his units to 0 upkeep and begin spamming stacks the same way Orion does. For this reason, the longer the campaign, the higher his tier placement should be.

On Tic Tac Toe, he's more of an economic lord than a combat powerhouse like Gor Rok and the other lizard lords. Having an extremely cheap Qoatl "doomstack" to reinforce other armies or even go solo flying about the map is very strong. One of the bigger benefits of the Qoatl doomstack as well is how early you can grab it for him compared to other dinos. W/ just a level 3 settlement you grab a lot of power for the faction at a very cheap cost.

You guys should host a community campaign tournament. Start with 32 Players Total - 4 preliminary rounds with 8 players Each. The top 2 players from each prelim go to the Final 8 player head to head campaign.

Agree with the Tomb Kings ranking, but remember if allowed to build up they are able to beat Cathay

Holy smokes, what a large amount of editing.

Fun vid guys! I'll drop my two cents for the algorithm. I think the biggest miss in this tier list is Bretonnia, particularly the fey enchantress. One thing that perhaps isn't well understood is how mighty the Bretonnian economy actually is. They are one of the few factions that have no supply lines and their eco buildings are some of the best in the game. No supply lines means they can freely spam duelist lords to auto resolve their foes, and tbh in battle AI armies can't do much against these characters kitted out with items. Despite their low climates they have everything they need to fund a grand scale war. On paper Brettonian armies are easily countered but on the battlefield it's a much more dangerous proposition. Yes their armies are replete with cav, but the best Brettonian generals will bring many trebuchets and mages which will kill your halberds in droves if left unchecked. If you lack artillery superiority you must approach their position and thats what ruins halberds. If your halberds are moving they're unbraced meaning they can be charged by the lance formation cav freely. if you brace the cav can pull back. If the cav commit to a large engagement there are two problems. 1. your require mass behind their cav to prevent them from simply retreating and 2. dwellers below. Dwellers will shred your halberds, esp in tandem with artillery fire. The last points ill bring up about brettonia is that their best cav get 100 MA ,100 MD, 20 ward save, and crazy weapon strength in campaign. They are not to be f'd with and will kill your characters if given the chance. To make matters worse if Brettonia wields the domination crown all their cav gets 20 more ward save... All of the above is to say that Brettonia is prolly C+ or B tier nowadays and I highly recommend you challenge Slap's Brettonia to experience the power of chivalry! Check out TornadoWatch's Karl Franz, he def showcases S tier gameplay with em. Getting 5 steam tanks by turn 30 simply ends most opponents.

I would LOVE to see you guys making a video with the SFO mod. Some factions obviously remain their ranks here, due to their inate mechanics, such as confederation o defeating lords. But with so many changes, it would be amazing to see which factions you’d pick - and how you feel they compare or change. :)

I would argue that World Walkers/Wulfrik buffing your strongest monster unit, and keeping in mind Marauder units are literally every unit with Marauder in their name. Including Marauder Champions, the tier three infantry, and Marauder ice wolf chariots. Most of their army is Marauders, something to consider. Plus, Wulfrik tends to rapidly have most of Norsca before Throgg.

Really good list. You guys have a great understanding of the multiplayer campaign differences from single player campaign. Few things I’d like to note: Yuan Bao: strongest economy in the game. Enough said. Definitely agree with S tier listing. The only major weakness is they lack doomstacks. They are really good at building elite balanced armies late game but nothing that is unkillable by another elite late game army. Dark Elves: As a DE main yes they’re really good. Major weakness is no encamp stance though. This makes them really susceptible to an ambush, forcing your army composition to eliminate range units like shades or artillery. Their monsters are good but easily countered by a faction that has elite spears. You guys have also listed Malus darkblade first. Eh. On paper he is first sure but his main ability can be countered hard and is no longer that useful after turn 35+ when facing a player. Morathi is the faction that is actually the best. You think the DE economy is good? Just wait until you play her. Because she spreads slaneesh corruption, every settlement you take will give you a net positive gain of slaves. This in combination with ports, starting next to ulthuan, allows you to field 20+ low tier armies by turn 30. You can literally outswarm the green skins or any other faction. The economy is 2nd only to Yuan Bao Chaos Dwarves: couldn’t agree more. People always complain that they’re OP. I have min-maxed their economy and while they are better than 80% of the factions, still don’t come close to Morathi or Yuan Bao. The roster is strong but even by late game most armies are hobgoblins simply because it gets more and more expensive to purchase additional roster. At turn 80 in multiplayer, i would rather have a faction that I can recruit what I want when I want, as the situation changes, and not have to be handicapped by a dependent economy. Their army abilities are super strong in a 1v1, but if there are reinforcing armies and you have 4v4 armies going on then it is not really that impactful. Dwarves: struggle early game. Everything is expensive from buildings to units so you’re stuck using miners and low tier trash for a while. The main thing that makes up for this is a stupidly strong autoresolve, so you won’t have another player playing as all the skaven and greenskin armies you’ll have to face. If you survive long enough to turn 50, and doomstacks are allowed, then you will have the best in the game. You can literally become unstoppable if nobody slows you down early game. Green skins: your assessment of Grom is correct, regen goblins can be made to take over the world. I don’t agree with the other placements though. Azag is S-tier? Not a chance. He’s B-tier at best. Even grimgor is a good faction but he’s not S-tier. He’s a strong melee fighter with great post battle loot and then that is about it. Green skins lack quality units in the late game that can compete with other late game units. Rock golem doomstacks are solid as they soak ammo and still keep going but that’s about it. Greenskins lack devastating magic from casters too Wood Elves: hard disagree on this one. Aside from Orion, the other wood elves too poor to be S-tier. Sure teleportation is strong but there is a long cooldown so they’re limited to only sending one army. If you take one of their trees, you can easily keep two mid-tier armies back at it and just wait for them to come back. Since their already poor economy is based entirely on the trees, one by one you can wipe them off the map. You get stronger as they get weaker. Orion is obviously a different story and is unbeatable

The good thing about vampire coast, specifically Count Noctilus, is that he is a semi horde-faction that doesnt necessarily have to stick to one location. The pirate cove mechanic allows you to have good income until you decide to settle somewhere, you are able to get your colossus doomstack early and an roam around causing havoc, pillaging everything in your way. The Maelstrom is very easy to defend early game because of a strong garrison, attrrition and being able to summon a stack in one turn if you need to defend. Opponents need to invest way too many resources to try and capture it. But lategame, still not that strong of a faction due to reliance on ranged units.

Video idea: multiplayer with only non viable tier factions

Gotta mention: I immensely appreciate that the tier list was organized within the categories as well. Having that sort of consistency and hearing out all that reasoning made me feel that I was understanding the information a whole heck of a lot better. This has made me feel like I've learned a ton. On another note, this content is amazing in general and is making me consider H2H campaigns (which I've never done before). So much thankedhood.

Timestamps 0:38 : The Empire 1:44 : Balthasar Gelt (The Golden Order) 2:30 : Carl Franz (Reikland), Elspeth von Draken (Wissenland & Nuln) 3:05 : Markus Wulfhart (The Huntsmartials Expedition) 3:30 : Volkmar the Grim (Cult of Sigmar) 3:48 : Bretonnia 5:15 : Louen Leoncoeur (Couronne), Repanse de Lyonesse (Chevaliers de Lyonesse) 5:27 : Fey Enchantress (Carcassonne) 5:42 : Alberic de Bordelaux (Bordeleaux Errant) 6:01 : Beastmen (NON-MULTIPLAYER VIABLE) 7:26 : Grand Cathay 8:30 : Miao Ying (The Northern Provinces) 8:55 : Zhao Ming (The Western Provinces) 9:06 : Yuan Bo, the Jade Dragon (The Jade Court) 9:20 : Chaos Dwarfs 10:50 : Drazhoath the Ashen (The Legion of Azgorh), Zhatan the Black (The Warhost of Zharr), Astragoth Ironhand (Disciples of Hashut) 11:25 : Dark Elves 12:22 : Lokhir Fellheart (The Blessed Dread), Malekith (Naggarond), Malus Darkblade (Hag Graef), Rakarth (The Thousand Maws), Morathi (The Cult of Pleasure), Crone Hellebron (Har Ganeth) 12:26 : Daniel the Daemon (Daemons of Chaos) 13:05 : Khorne 14:45 : Nurgle 15:31 : Epidemius (Tallymen of Pestilence) 15:33 : Ku'gath Plaguefather (Poxmakers of Nurgle) 15:39 : Tamurkhan the Maggot Lord (The Maggot Host) 16:10 : Tzeentch 16:12 : Kairos Fateweaver (Oracles of Tzeentch), The Changeling (The Deceivers) 17:30 : Slaanesh 18:20 : Stunties (Dwarfs) 19:01 : Malakai Makaisson (Masters of Innovation) 19:31 : Belegar Ironhammer (Clan Angrund) 20:04 : Ungrim Ironfist (Karak Kadrin) 20:36 : Thorek Ironbrow (Ironbrow's Expedition), Grombrindal (The Ancestral Throng), Thorgrim Grudgebearer (Karaz-a-Karak) 20:46 Greenskins 21:55 : Grom The Paunch (Broken Axe) 22:59 : Wurrzag da Great Green Prophet (The Bloody Handz), Skarsnik (Crooked Moon), Grimgor Ironhide (Grimgor's 'Ardboyz), Azhag the Slaughterer (Bonerattlaz) 23:32 : High Elves 26:00 : Tyrion (Eataine), Alarielle the Radiant (Avelorn), Imrik (Knights of Caledor) 28:37 : Teclis (Order of Loremasters) 28:43 : Eltharion (Yvresse), Alith Anar (Nagarythe) 30:57 : Kislev 32:25 : Tzarina Katarin (The Ice Court), Kostaltyn (Kostaltyn), Boris Ursus (Ursun Revivalists) 32:52 : Mother Ostankya (Daughters of the Forest) 33:34 : Lizardmen 34:38 : Nakai the Wanderer (Spirit of the Jungle) 36:20 : Kroq-Gar (Last Defenders), Lord Mazdamundi (Hexoatl) 36:50 : Gor-Rok (Itza) 37:17 : Tehenhauin (Cult of Sotek) 37:48 : Tiktaq'to (Tlaqua) 38:55 : Oxyotl (Ghosts of Pahuax) 40:06 : Norsca 41:17 : Wulfrik the Wanderer (World Walkers), Throgg (Wintertooth) 43:53 ; Ogre Kingdoms 46:59 : Skrag the Slaughterer (Disciples of the Maw) 47:11 : Greasus Goldtooth (Greasus Goldtooth) 48:16 : Skaven 49:00 : Deathmaster Snikch (Clan Eshin) 49:53 : Lord Skrolk (Clan Pestilens) 50:46 : Queek Headtaker (Clan Mors) 52:03 : Tretch Craventail (Clan Rictus) 53:37 : Ikit Claw (Clan Skyre), Throt the Unclean (Clan Moulder) 56:48 : Tomb Kings 57:45 : High Queen Khalida (Court of Lybaras) 57:54 : Grand Hierophant Khatep (Exiles of Nehek) 58:00 : Settra the Imperishable (Khemri) 58:24 : Arkhan the Black (Followers of Nagash) 59:06 : Vampire Coast 1:00:45 : Count Noctilus (The Dreadfleet), Luthor Harkon (The Awakened) 1:00:52 : Aranessa Saltspite (Pirates of Sartosa), Cylostra Direfin (The Drowned) 1:01:47 : Vampire Counts 1:03:12 : Vlad von Carstein & Isabella von Carstein (Sylvania), Mannfred von Carstein (The Drakenhof Conclave), Heinrich Kemmler (The Barrow Legion) 1:03:30 : Helman Ghorst (Caravan of Blue Roses) 1:04:40 : Warriors of Chaos 1:04:57 : Kholek Suneater (Heralds of the Tempest) 1:05:45 : Sigvald the Magnificent (The Decadent Host) 1:06:42 : Festus the Leechlord (The Fecundites) 1:07:08 : Azazel (The Ecstatic Legions) 1:07:20 : Valkia the Bloody (Legion of the Gorequeen) 1:07:56 : Vilitch the Curseling (Puppets of Misrule) 1:08:32 : Archaon the Everchosen (Warhost of the Apocalypse) 1:09:35 : Be'lakor (Shadow Legion) 1:10:22 : Wood Elves 1:11:56 : Orion (Talsyn) 1:12:31 : Sisters of Twilight (Heralds of Ariel), Drycha (Wargrove of Woe), Durthu (Argwylon) Let me know if I miss-times or made any mistakes/typos, I'm a bit too lazy to proof read this

Loved this video! Incredible editing plus you guys explain yourselves super well. Easy sub

You guys mentioned you play without doomstacks, is there a video where you go over your multiplayer rules?

Hey man, just wanna say your videos are a nice af find for me. I play a lot of wh3 multiplayer with my uncle, and it's nice to get some tips about strategies and good races for multiplayer we were getting wrong. Just thanks overall for the awesome and funny content xD

as a dark elf enjoyer this pleases me

Loved this. Subbed :)

Thanks alot! Im playing tomb kings against my friend who is playing belakor. I knew those portals/ instaconverts where busted :)

This video is awesome! Subbed! Would love more videos about multiplayer! First good video on multiplayer I’ve found online

I strongly Disagree with putting Kholek at B tier, He vassalizes to get so much stronger. He is a monster in his own right and his dragon ogres are amazing. I think you need to give him the actual chance and youll see hes amazing. He is one of the few lords whos power is not that limited

I love the vampire counts, and Im happy that they arent too bad in PvP. Im sorry to hear that you guys follow the wrong von Carstein.

I’d put Noctilus above Teclis, due to atart position, his buffs to Depth Guard and the fact that he can horde recruit with his ship combined with lack of open ocean attrition makes him very hard to put down for good. You can scale your economy with pirate coves and prevent no settlement attrition by grabbing a remote settlement somewhere far away from the other players and then fighting a guerrilla war using Noctilus and the other Lords with personal hordes. Plus, with his regen and damage resistances he can become a beast of a tank.

Really enjoy your content guys

New video idea: randomized start locations, someone is daniel and they got to survive as long as possible while everyone else hunts him down

Honestly I feel like the chaos dwarves are rated a little too low cause their army abilities are brutal the units in armies are mixed, but when you have so many hobgoblins and so much of those god damn morter abilities they can really be a pain the ass especially if you get caught offguard and the artillery abilities are abused. Plus, you can force units into melee with things like the hobgoblins or laborers and then nuke them with the arm abilities. Cause chaos dwarves can get three nukes right the skaven one, and the two morter ones plus fireborn kadaai spawns with army abilities are armour of contempt, absolutely evil.

I would say this faction tier list highly depends who you are playing against for example skaven hard counter waagh mechanics for the greenskins with ambush. Skarbrand is super strong against nearby enemies Malakai is insane in terms kf whole roster buff i do think he might be able to beat dark elfs

Vampire coast is my absolute favorite! I think they are a fun and good faction. However I have only played them in a multiplayer game once. In that game it actually wasn't that bad, I am really confident in their playstyle though so I enjoyed the experience. I think it may just be my bias but I think the Dreadfleet and Luther could sit in B tier with the other two sitting in C tier. But to each their own!

Great content on this channel. Keep it up, guys!

as for Saranessa Saltspire, she has my favorite campaign because once you take care of the 1st province you can just abandon your settlements and raid the open seas gathering the doubloons for the rest of campaign. it would probably not matter to you guys tho coz that wouldnt include expanding or geting tons of cash ( tho her treasure hunts get me 15k gold in just 1 turn sometimes)

Love the tier list. Imo Stalk Stance is the strongest single campaign "mechanic" in the whole game and all Skaven factions should be at least A tier. One thing I find about stalk stance in H2H is that when playing against it, it greatly affects the way you have to play. You always need to be ready for an ambush so that means trimming down if not entirely dropping ranged units and artillery that get immediately overwhelmed in ambush, and can lead some ranged factions to not play to their strengths.

I personally agree with the Vampire Coast (I am playing them a lot). Noctilus has by far the best starting location of all of them which lets you pick your fights without being bothered that much by the AI. Also - Yuan Bo and Markus Wulfhart have amazing defeat traits for vampires. The main problem is the early game. Their main shtick is their semi horde mechanic, which lets you have crazy discounts for your unit upkeep - but thats only for your LL and the special admirals that you can get from your tech tree... and it takes at least 30-ish turns... After turn 60-ish you can smash literally anything...

Louen vs greases would probably be a stomp. They are far apart so it will take time for them to run into each other. This gives time for the Bret player to get all of brettonia united and get a ton of their armory buildings. Getting a ton of armies with elite Brettonian Cav and men at arms all getting 15+ extra armor would be difficult to deal with. Plus no supply lines.

Wish there was a sub empire mode in immortal empires where all races have basic order faction expansion mechanics

Alright besides maining Beastmen I also main coast and ogres and can give a bit of input that might help your list. Cylostra and Aranessa are significantly better than you give them credit for. Aranessa though not being as strong as a lord as Noctulus has access to ogre maneaters and well as maneaters with pistols. Heavy hitting wall breaking units like ogres really improves the roster of coast. Cylostra another lord you overlooked has access to magic damage and improved loyalty which is a mechanic you stated is more important in multiplayer. Cylostra’s strength comes from her immortal hero cav lord, and two no cost instant cast ghost cav on command. Surprise cav is a huge advantage for coast. Her only issue is that it only happens for her army, which is why Aranessa with ability to recruit ogre maneaters into any army is stronger as ogres can act like a pseudo cav. Cylostra also doesn’t have that much aversion with dark elves so after your starting enemy diplomatically approaching the dark elves is relatively easy while you focus on the high elves instead. Luthor actually struggles the most with the requirements to fix his mind being the building chain requiring the max level settlement he starts with. If Luthor loses the Awakening he can’t build the vault at all. Coast strength comes from the fact that five of their armies(their main lord and admirals) are horde armies and can increase their movement range to higher than any character that doesn’t have a special movement reset ability like Skarbrand. These 5 armies can catch up or outrun any armies they go against. This also comes with a upkeep reduction cost meaning the admiral armies even laden with elite troops can be significantly cheaper than other armies of similar unit value. This isn’t even including the addition of battleground artillery abilities they also have access to. Coasts biggest weakness is economic ability for their other non special lords and no confederating mechanism. Second the ogres, while Skrag really does suffer from his position, his great climate and strong ogre units means he can easily push into the badlands and onwards towards almost anywhere with ogres well rounded climates. You were correct that Greasus is far superior but only for a few reasons, his trade economy and caravan high travel home territory gives him access to a good amount of money, not as much as initially since caravans were nerfed but it’s respectable enough. Greasus’s strength is actually a huge ability to expand more than most people think, Greasus has a considerable ogre diplomacy boost further boosted by technology and early skill tree. The area Greasus inhabits is filled with strong lords like Grimgor, Ghorst(who Greasus doesn’t struggle with) and Tamurkhan, but this if played right is actually a boon. The considerable ogre diplomacy buffs given to Greasus and the strong lords nearby means a significant amount of your growth can be from ogre confederation. After taking out your initial starting enemies, the neighboring ogres are likely ready for a confederation(especially the mountaineers) and upon confederation you now get to meet the more dangerous lords. Greasus isn’t just a conquest game, you are ogres who have the lowest aversion with everyone meaning anyone can be your ally. It’s quite easy to get military alliances with grimgor by selling him a settlement from the ogres you just confederated. This creates a waaagh wall between you and Tamurkhan. There is another ogre that occupies the areas near Ghorst who will also easily confederate allowing you to sell that settlement to Ghorst for alliances effectively limited your dangers from only coming from Cathay or the Darklands both areas easy to expand into. Might have went on longer than I intended, but had to share why these lords may be better than initially thought.

avid vampire coast player here: in a head to head campaign i think the coast's strength is their incredible upkeep reduction and the inability for other player's to *really* harm your economy. you can have 2 SUPER stacks with your LL and burke black and survive entirely on 1-2 coves in high income cities and your background income. also for loyalty, vampire coast gets a commandment that stops loyalty decline in the province. obviously you'd need to hold the province to stop the loyalty from going down, but as long as you hold the province loyalty is not much of an issue for them. i still think due to their mediocre economy as you said and inability to field a massive amount of armies because, specifically, their land economy outside of coves is trash, that they are correctly placed in C and D tier. however, i would argue to put noctilus at the top C or very bottom of B specifically due to his special faction mechanic that gives his faction 50% campaign movement range for declaring war. this lets noctilus easily dance around the AI early game and get where he needs to go faster for putting in coves rapidly. and it also comes with a second bonus which could be something like 15% weapon strength for large units factionwide. a crazy buff before a fight for prometheans/terrorgheists etc. especially after this most recent patch (came out after video). overall though, good ranking. and for ogre's, they need like 120 turns to become rich. the camps giving non-camp income is required as ogres to come online and that shit is not coming online for ages.

You should do a 8 player FFA with all the multiplayer unviable factions

there is a way to have a multiplayer beastmen thing and have a good time. set the difficulty to maximum. the crisis to ultimate. arriving soon. whoever kills the most crisis factions wins (this will likely result in you dying). or just burn down the world together. see who gets the most blood.

The Changeling vs Orion is quite fun in head2head actually

Least fun campaign in Warhammer suggestion: Head to Head, Lybaras vs Exiles of Nehek. Have fun doing a world conquest with -3 armies!

It hurts seeing Nagarythe so low cause of the stalking stance and such, but I canot even argue with it cause he's the only faction in the game with just 2 suitable climates!! Every other faction has at least 3 and certainly has suitable climate in their homeland. Personally I wish each faction had at least 4 suitable climates. Pretty sure Nagarythe has one of the easier shot campaign victories to increase hero capacity though, High elves in general can only increase that at tier 4 unlike most factions that come to mind.

DO YOU EVEN PLA- Just kidding, overall a pretty solid tier list. Although, something that might be getting overlooked from Greenskins, specifically with Grom the Paunch. His strength might be a little overstated in the tier list here because he has a very low defensible position with all the high elves hating his guts along with the empire and brettonia. His starting province is only one settlement and all his nearby land to conquer is 100% unpleasant until and if you move to the High Elf Donut or mountains. Those things being said, he can't expand as fast and has less growth than other Greenskins but even so, his cauldron is so strong that it makes up for those things in the longer run. And to the Greenskins in general, Waaaaghs aren't that powerful. They do add some military power fluff but the army is almost always canon fodder and even their stronger troops they get are still base line troops without benefits from a red line. The waaagh also slows you down by about half which in many cases will slow down your rate of expansion unless you're trying to expand on very strong capitals where you actually need the extra military strength but in most cases, you can expand quicker without using the waaaghs. Using a Waaaghh is you sacrificing your expansion and growth for an end goal pay off after 20 turns of getting a trophy which makes it more of an investment rather than a straight up power boost. That's also not mentioning that they're easy to completely negate from any ambush based faction. Those Waaaghs won't mean jack against the ambush factions and will only hurt the Greenskins because of the severely gimped movement. So I think Grom the paunch is High A - Low S and the rest of the Greenskins are Low A - Moderate A. That's just my opinion though.

Finaly someone does content for h2h.

Interesting video, sadly I moved out and my current laptop cant handle Total War at all, moreover most of my friends arent Total war players so even then multiplayer isnt an option for me, but I love to see your videos. Hope to see more soon. PS: After all the Khorne and Slaanesh DLCs I would love to see a video of yours where are the humans plays as Chaos Warriors (undivided or god aligned like tamurkhan) where you fight for control over the Dark Fortresses, looking for who can capture and control more in a 100 turns or so and be declared the True Everchosen of Chaos. I think it would be suited for 4-5 players at most, as the location starts are quite cramped one near the other, but that will mean player vs player from the start.

i actually found daniel very fun on multiplayer

This is a hard time for bretonnia, I hope the most chivalrous nation can get something someday.

I cant believed I watched this whole thing when I suppose to be in bed already. I actually want to try a MP campaign, but have a feeling my lore friendly armies wouldn't over go well. 😀

You should do a campaign of the not multiplayer viable factions. Just have goals other than the destruction of your opponent.

Please do that Bretonnia vs Greasus in a video. It sounds rad.

Hey, I just had a fun idea for a multiplayer game. What if you both chose factions that started pretty much beside each other. You wouldn't have time to get top tier units. There could be so much chaos involved.

Idea for new film: everyone can play factions only from f to b tier from this tierlist

Beastmen, not multiplayer viable, perhaps but not because Beastmen are the ones who are suffering. The other players won’t play with Beastmen because of how good they are in a potential multiplayer game.

Saltspite over Repanse? Madness. Repanse is wonderful, that other wench usually doesn't last past turn 20

Now I kinda wanna see a hide and seek campaign with only beastmen :x

when we play wood elves one of the rules is, you cant teleport to a tree that was razed or is occupied by the other player

I disagree on the beastman, I agree that you need some rules for them but they are also extremely fragile, like yeah they don't have and need settlements instead they need to be constantly winning and especially early game they don't have a chance in a upright battle. Additionally to unlock you good units you need to perform the ritual with the headstone and while theoretically you could just do it and leave, that's not really helpful. You need to be constantly winning to continue winning. The best part is until you are starting to roll you are a skirmish and beat faction that cannot fight head on most factions can hard counter you in a head-on fight. But since you need to stand around your headstone you can calculate where they roughly are. So while yes you need some rules they aren't that strong in my opinion and while the brass bull is too OP the rest can be played with. Especially the headstones make them vulnerable in Multiplayer as you can toe them down in a region if you know where they are. Because of their headstones.

Personally I would put noctilus higher simply because being able to recruit necrofex colossus globally at one turn has absolutely murdered me in the past. Cheap monsterous artillery that is pretty solid in melee especially with buffs is so annoying to deal with

12:36 would like you to elaborate on this some-surely, having a large and varied roster like this has to count for SOMETHING, right? More ways to deal with a variety of human opponents, since it seems like each player will pick a different race to represent in most circumstances Would like to revisit this in like, four-six months and see what differences arise under a couple of other contexts: - including BOTH PvP and co-op into account (this sounds like it was done strictly under the PvP scope) - within ChaosRobie’s Old World map (this was clearly done with IE in mind)

My thoughts: Kislev makes great money in battle. So, economy is not a problem. Beastments can be viable if play with a condition: if they lose all Totems - they will out.

I agree btw Ghorsts vampire count campaign is wayy overpowered, not sure why we need nagash when we already got the master necromancer

can we PLS get a yuan bo, lokir felheart and gelt campaign because they all start in the same position and are apparently all very strong

I wonder if your take on Nurgle has changed since the fix for settlement upgrades needing 1 less population?

So how about a campaign consisting of entirely "Not MP Viable" factions, to see how that would even work 😂

There is one thing you might have forgotten about azagh and why he is my favorite greenskin faciton and that is that he has temperate climate so he can pretty much settle from bretonnia to the badlands and cathay beacuse he also has the other greenskins climate great video anyways

i played changeling in a head 2 head against azzag, the greenskin player couldnt not do anything, id wait for him to leave a settlement undefended and its gg, i wait for all my building to spread and spawn the chaos armies on all his settlements at once, using the changeling to kill off any other armies he had lying around, even if he killed my army it meant nothing to me as id get it back in 5 turns

Gelt is just stupidly strong, having 8 mages and 1 tank literally at the start of the game is unstoppable, you can even just go straight for Zharr-Naggrund after beating up the first Cathay enemy.

Idk why, it probably would suck but, I want to see Alith Anar multiplayer campaign so bad. In my head I feel like I see a faction sneaking around never being found with stealth armies. On the other hand, I think back to the imirk and how long he lived, and someone could have just used the morai-heg for 100% of taking lords out ugh I want to see it so bad.

when it comes to tomb kings, i usually play Arkhan even if just because of that extra book

*Mak and Riggs putting all the greenskins in S tier* Me: IT SEEMZ DA GODZ FAVOUR YOOS VERMIN GITS!

Makes me wanna see a kazrak v changeling video

I had a feeling Taurox would get that ranking

I disagree on sigvald being only B tier. Together with Harry, he can buff up his chosen to an insane level. When I last did an mp campaign as him, my chosen hellscourges had 160 armor and over 90 melee defense and a bunch of other insane buffs Nice list, though :)

brettonia had a really good mechanic in wh2, which was no supply lines they feel so weak now because that mechanic is almost irrelevant now

What do you think needs to be buffed so Nurgle becomes a better faction?

Will Cathay be a lot better now with two+ caravans?

Honestly feel like Skryre, Moulder, Wissenland and Nuln, and ALL the chaos dwarves are on the same tier as Malakai

Maybe it's just me but kugath murdered me as imrik.... Also why don't you guys have a fight for the doughnut, play as anyone nearby! Would be brilliant

Its true the high elves havent rerally gotten anything since before total warhammer 2 launched its mostly because they doint need anything as a faction they are already so fucking strong that giving them anything more might make them as broken if not more so them some of the top s tier factions

I don't think you can hold Bretonia's climate against them considering their settlements in red climate make more money than most other factions regions in green climate. Considering that, I think it is not controversial to say they have the best settlement based economy in the game.

As a PVE only player and a newbie. The skaven has been one of the funniest classes I have tried and the forbidden workshop is always a blast to drop nukes on things. Do you have any videos that could help me learn any other races or even skaven better. I want to learn to play the game more but its a lot of info I don't understand. I am thinking about wood elfs tho becuase big tree guy looks cool

21:30 “you can expand like a virus” or a bunch of spores 😏

Cant mother ostankya rampage literally the opponent's whole army with curses before the battle begins? She shouldn't be multiplayer viable if she can because rampaged units just run around in little circles unless near an enemy unit. Anyways great video for people to use as a guide to know which factions are too good/imbalanced.

I think you guys are sleeping on Bretonnia's potential. Their economy is much stronger than you made it out to be. No supply lines for them allows for many, many cheap armies. I know everyone thinks their peasant units are useless, but I would argue that they almost all work well with the right combinations. Ending up with perfect vigor elite units and on high level lords too lets them run circles around most opponents late game. Unless you guys are playing with some specific rules which dosen't allow for common strategies like cycle charging and corner camping with a ranged force... I really don't understand why you put them so low. Repanse is the strongest faction for the Brets too imho. Unique techs for Repanse's characters and unrestricted confederations for her puts her over the top in my eyes. Maybe you need someone else behind the drivers seat for them to shine in the multiplayer pvp campaign scene.

Do a beastmen vs wood elves and let the suffering begin XD it would be a fun video ! XD

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Kinda interesting with your tomb king placement, wenn in 2 warpstone videos, Cathey vs setra won, and on the battle of the southlands arkhan won

As a High Elf / Dwarf main, I love Dwarfs' placement but the High Elf places hurts me. One thing I'm rather sad about with this new Khorne DLC is that the obv Slaanesh / HElf (And a probable Cathay 3rd Faction) has been delayed which would bring some much needed updates for my knife-ears. Especially my favorite of Alith Anar.

How do you limit the doomstacks?

i dont think that any of the wood elves are multiplayer viable because to fully kill them off you need control over every magical forest meaning that you need a presence in every part of the map

1:01:04 "Kloystra" there can't be a more warpstone video without a mispronunciation

“Turn 50 and beyond Khorne really suffers” the game is over by turn 30 even with a human player. And you better bring your A game because khorne minotaurs are cheap in a proper Khorne economy Also RIP kislev, love them but hate all the stuff you mentioned. 100% agree