Warren Buffett: Private Equity Firms Are Typically Very Dishonest

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The Long-Term Investor

The Long-Term Investor

Жыл бұрын

Warren Buffett is well-known for promoting the clear success of value investing, but one lesser known attitude he holds is his disdain for private equity firms. In this video, Warren and Charlie explain why they dislike private equity and so-called "alternative investments".

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@persimmontea6383
@persimmontea6383 2 ай бұрын
Had a great dentist with wonderful clinic. He retired and sold it to his partners who flipped it to P.E. ... They got rid of the great staff, jacked up prices and started pressuring you to get unnecessary treatments. They wrecked it. Great dentists .... lousy staff and now empty waiting rooms .... and after 40 years I am leaving. It was so much better run by someone who cared about the patients.
@aa1589
@aa1589 Ай бұрын
same thing with my company. firing the best of us who uphold the culture, jacking up prices, hurting the customer, running it into the ground.
@johnstirling6597
@johnstirling6597 27 күн бұрын
PE has a very simple game, cut costs, which usually means cut wages to the bone and quality of materials down to the cheapest, sell off assets and lease back if necessary, jack up the costs, take out "franchise fees" ( or similar bonuses ) then on sell to a gullible public via a flashy float.
@Roses78
@Roses78 9 күн бұрын
Just had this experience needed a tooth extracted and felt like I was being sold a timeshare.
@MarketWizard546
@MarketWizard546 6 күн бұрын
Not all PE firms do this. Yes many do, but there's some good PE firms out there. But by and large, they tend to cut quality and extract as much profit as they can before they exit which is why they have such a bad reputation. When it comes to small food and beverage companies like restaurants, dentists, etc where profit is secondary to customer satisfaction, I would immediately stop being a customer if it were me if I knew an acquisition was coming
@FortuneCookieLies
@FortuneCookieLies Жыл бұрын
They are absolutely right on private equity. They don't really add value to the companies they buy but instead use it to add fees to max out their pay and give a smaller than average return than if you owned the company outright.
@stevejackson7594
@stevejackson7594 Жыл бұрын
Read the book that just came out "Plunder : private equity's plan to pillage America"
@mlh5434
@mlh5434 Жыл бұрын
If PE doesn't serve any real function then why does it...continue to exist? In my experience, if something doesn't add value, it eventually goes out of business. The only exception to this is if its existence is due to government monopoly/regulation/franchise, which isn't the case here. So if PE firms truly don't add any value, why do small companies keep....using them for going on 4 plus decades now? Are they just all collectively stupid?
@denizpamir
@denizpamir 11 ай бұрын
@@mlh5434 Small companies need PE because otherwise they don't have access to capital and they can't use debt. PE firms add value. Investors are happy, businesses are happy, that's why PEs are still out there.
@opreadumitru1
@opreadumitru1 10 ай бұрын
Buffett is the epytome of cronyism and why most american jobs fled and were traitorously exported offshore while this old crook uses charities as a facade to avoid legally paying taxes PE is the fair chance the small and mid business have to compete with big crooks like Berkshire and other oligarchs that are politically sponsored and well connected to Obama and washington I would remind you he sponsored obongo's presidential campaign
@ep4169
@ep4169 9 ай бұрын
@@stevejackson7594 And if you're looking for a rebuttal to that dishonest book, listen to David Bahsen's review on the Capital Record podcast, 8/17/2023.
@Joseph-zw3sb
@Joseph-zw3sb Ай бұрын
Private equity sounds like a mechanism that extracts the most amount of value from a business, and transfers that wealth to the few general partners. Everyone loses - the business, the employees, the local consumers, the tax payers.... except for the general partners!
@Sarah-ui3vd
@Sarah-ui3vd Ай бұрын
Just buy Gold, the government has failed us or try to diversify your portfolio to other market sectors, that way your investment is balanced and you don’t get to make so much losses.
@MileyHumphrey-ql4jp
@MileyHumphrey-ql4jp Ай бұрын
Indeed, gold proves to be a strong investment and a reliable hedge against the declining value of the dollar. I've held onto some gold for quite some time, and I'm thankful that my advisor's rapid adjustments to market fluctuations have likely prevented significant losses.
@mtwain1674
@mtwain1674 Ай бұрын
Yep, you have the gist of it, though I would add the investors in the private equity fund to the list of losers you describe. The people that do the best at private equity, and do so with the least amount of risk, are the general partners of the fund.
@TT3TT3
@TT3TT3 Ай бұрын
Thieves
@bl9531
@bl9531 Жыл бұрын
Having worked in a public sector pension in Canada, I can confirm Munger’s observation (4:02). One of the principal attractions of private equity, infrastructure and the like for a pension fund is nobody really knows what they are actually worth so values are smoothed out over time. This gives the illusion of stability vs public stocks whose liquidation value is observable in real time.
@ShaggyRogers1
@ShaggyRogers1 Жыл бұрын
@@W.C. That's the biggest reason to use a private investment firm. You have them watch the short term numbers, and trust that they give you a good long term number. The issue is that no one actually checks to see what the investment firms are doing, so they are left free to control vast parts of society using other people's money to do it.
@glendavis1266
@glendavis1266 Жыл бұрын
When using other peoples money will you be really careful?
@dave9351
@dave9351 Жыл бұрын
@@glendavis1266 Ask Congress
@alexeivoloshin5984
@alexeivoloshin5984 Жыл бұрын
It's not that difficult to compute the worth of things that you mentioned. Problem is that Canada is a communist country, so the market is heavily manipulated by the government.
@bl9531
@bl9531 Жыл бұрын
@@alexeivoloshin5984 how is the invasion going Alexei?
@Trezker
@Trezker Жыл бұрын
If you have money to manage, don't let other people manage it for you. Do your own investing.
@jimkelly4214
@jimkelly4214 20 күн бұрын
O OH GOD YES!!! That is what I do. And it is more fun that way.
@inertiaforce7846
@inertiaforce7846 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to investing I don't listen to Dave Ramsey. I listen to Warren Buffett.
@whatever9506
@whatever9506 Жыл бұрын
How many millions do you have?
@TravisMcGee151
@TravisMcGee151 Жыл бұрын
Dave Ramsey is out to lunch. He gives a lot of misinformation. Stay away from Dave.
@caveson7316
@caveson7316 Жыл бұрын
@@whatever9506 if thats your measure for who to trust that's hilarious, what a moron
@dougherbert7899
@dougherbert7899 Жыл бұрын
@@TravisMcGee151 Warren Buffet gives good advice for people with money, Ramsey gives good advice for the bottom 90%. Different people need different advice. I listen to both, I listen to their arguments, and I make my own decisions.
@inertiaforce7846
@inertiaforce7846 Жыл бұрын
@@TravisMcGee151 He gives good advice on paying off debt. I don't follow his investment advice though.
@timothywatson7007
@timothywatson7007 Жыл бұрын
This is the generation to listen to, no beat around the bush BS nonsense, just straight up education on what is financially feasible.
@GlennC789
@GlennC789 Жыл бұрын
Truly the greatest generation. Few of them left. I worry about what'll happen to Costco when its founders die.
@worldmikel
@worldmikel Жыл бұрын
@@GlennC789 Yeah. Anybody see the OXFAM "Survival of the Richest"? Poor 1% only pulling down a couple billion dollars each day. Even if they started paying taxes now, it would be decades before the disparity gap got to be reasonable.
@GlennC789
@GlennC789 Жыл бұрын
@@worldmikel Oh I'm 100% with you. But It does seem the "greatest generation" folks at least had some sense of civic responsibility, like Buffett and the Costco founders I mention. Whereas now it's just 100% screw everybody any way you can, no apologies no excuses.
@worldmikel
@worldmikel Жыл бұрын
@@GlennC789 Not so sure about that. He's part of that billionaire "pledge" to Bill & Melinda narcissistic philanthropy group. They haven't signed over their wealth, just pledged it. Like PBS fundraising drive. Empty promise until the funds are transferred. And these "philanthropic" groups? Whew! What a crock. Veiled self-service.
@benz500r
@benz500r Жыл бұрын
My words don’t count, but I agree with them. I’ve been observing the entire environment and there is difficult to find anyone honest nowadays.
@pranavmanie1479
@pranavmanie1479 7 ай бұрын
private equity is a classic "skin in the game" problem. their money comes from fees, but they are not hurt by how they manage or mismanage the firms they buy out. that is a massive incentive problem, because they take little risk for what seem to be ridiculous rewards.
@justinmiller7083
@justinmiller7083 6 ай бұрын
Fees are based on the size of the asset. Asset goes down - fees go down. Returns are lower, they don't hit the watermark to earn more.
@kannermw
@kannermw 2 ай бұрын
​@@justinmiller7083Nonsense BS. PEs create massive debt obligation for acquired companies and then liquidate assets like buildings and property to generate additional cash for the ongoing PE shell game of paying the debt they imposed on the business. Essentially making the business pay for PEs debt for free while they collect management fees. Then on top of debt the acquired company now has to pay rent for original buildings they owned creating additional cash flow disaster. Then PE files bankruptcy on acquired company screwing over crefitors and employees. Meanwhile PE has made away with the proceeds in cash from asset liquidation before bankruptcy filing.
@TheApsodist
@TheApsodist Ай бұрын
It's not that simple, you should look up how the fees are calculated. They lessen the risk for the partners drastically.​@@justinmiller7083
@RayRose-wp4is
@RayRose-wp4is Ай бұрын
@@justinmiller7083 I can ask for "2 in 20, because I can't get 3 in 30."
@JosedeJezeus
@JosedeJezeus 16 күн бұрын
They are leeches.
@joshuaturnage5243
@joshuaturnage5243 Жыл бұрын
What I understand about private equity is that it's sole purpose is to take the money and run. They are not actually interested in growing the company long term. Private Equity just destroys companies in the long term. Basically they run up debt to improve cash flow. Eventually the company gets so much debt they have to file for bankruptcy.
@ep4169
@ep4169 9 ай бұрын
Private equity investment has the same goal as any other investment: to get the best possible return. The cliche of buying asset and then running it into the ground is not rational behavior, so why would they do it? Often PE will invest in distressed assets that have no other access to capital. The alternative is for the enterprise to fold. Also, no one forced the owners to sell. Most of the time the enterprise is able to be turned around and built into a successful company. Sometimes it's not, in which case the assets are liquidated. Yes, salesmen will always try to put lipstick on a pig and exaggerate their return. But that is not unique to private equity. Perhaps this video should have been titled, "Salesmen are typically dishonest".
@aformist
@aformist 9 ай бұрын
@@ep4169 But how come we collectively accept "get the best possible return" without demanding "tempered by ethical standards that uphold the basic humanity of affected stakeholders?" We all just accept the premise when the premise has no bounds, that gives any bad actor the excuse that they're only "doing what's best for the investors".
@ep4169
@ep4169 9 ай бұрын
@aformist Good question. Of course we would want all actors in an economy to act ethically and humanely, whether they are entrepreneurs, investors, unions, or employees. But no system can guarantee that kind of behavior without resorting to coercion, which both takes away private property rights and imposes external values on those who have risked their own money. A better way to ensure good behavior is to make it in the best interest of the parties involved to do so. But this is where the argument of the critics of PE falls down. When they accuse investors of driving their assets into the ground, they are accusing them of basically irrational behavior. Why would someone buy an asset simply to destroy it? If the asset is beyond repair, then of course the only alternative is to liquidate it, just like taking your old car to the junkyard. But if it can be saved, then a rational actor would work to rehab the asset to maximize its value. Sure there may be some outlying bad actors but if the correct incentives are in place then by and large the system works. The failure mode is actually where the market system demonstrates its superiority. Enterprises that do not provide value should be ended and the capital put to better use. Contrast that with worthless government or university bureaucracies that have long outlived their usefulness but continue to draw money for decades because there is no impetus to kill them off.
@aformist
@aformist 9 ай бұрын
@ep4169 I can appreciate the sentiment, but there absolutely are incentives to dismantling an "asset" you invested in. It also seems disingenuous to reduce PE investment as simple assets providing value when there is historical evidence they view their acquisitions as "Storage Wars"-esque collections of more-discrete valuable assets for appropriation or sale, while leveraging said acquisitions for more credit to feed the beast.
@joshuaturnage5243
@joshuaturnage5243 9 ай бұрын
@@ep4169 I believe the American Corporations need to kill off the wasteful companies & let the strong survive. There's just too much corruption in American companies today as well as the government supporting companies by giving them free money. Remember when Chrysler was bailed out by the u.s. government. We the taxes payers paid for Chryslers mistakes. Bad money always pushes out good money if given the opportunity. PE acts like the Mafia or crime inc.
@Maliceless100
@Maliceless100 7 ай бұрын
Private equity firms *reduce quality* (of goods and services) *while raising prices* (for those goods and services).
@skipkapur1
@skipkapur1 Жыл бұрын
Buffett is as good as one can get in investing. Also good character. And a great teacher.
@damham5689
@damham5689 Жыл бұрын
Just wait until Warren and Charlie pass away. BRK will likely do a 180 to the dark side like Vanguard did after Jack left.
@kennyg63
@kennyg63 Жыл бұрын
@@damham5689 Vanguard is not a publicly traded company.
@scottyschade
@scottyschade Жыл бұрын
Look up Dow chemical with Berkshire , you’re totally brainwashed on him
@lostagain7292
@lostagain7292 Жыл бұрын
Are you serious? He’s an ACTUAL scumbag! Have you not been following the railroad strike situation and his roll in denying safety regulations, union busting, and lobbying the government to deny basic humanity to people across multiple sectors?! F that guy billionaires are scumbags.
@johnisaacfelipe6357
@johnisaacfelipe6357 Жыл бұрын
The actual good people are dying, being replaced by utter snakes and cynics. The world is going to get worse in the next few decades, I assure you.
@elvismark5172
@elvismark5172 Жыл бұрын
Warren Buffett was right!!!! At the beginning of the year, I have continued to purchase a few equities, but nothing significant. Why am I being so unkind to this? The fact that others in my field make six figures each piece, nevertheless, motivates me to want to be the first member of my polygamous family to earn a million dollars. I am fully aware of the expense of working more to get more money.
@waynestones
@waynestones Жыл бұрын
The top experts, however, have access to confidential information and data that is not made available to the broader public. Being knowledgeable enough to use them successfully is quite another. Big returns, not changing stochastics, are the key. Rewards and risks must be balanced. To reach your aim, pick the right size and turn your edge as often as necessary.
@oscarjiron6974
@oscarjiron6974 Жыл бұрын
You're not doing anything incorrectly; you simply lack the expertise to capitalize in a down market. Professionals with extensive expertise who must have witnessed the 2008 crisis are the only ones who may profit significantly during turbulent times like this.
@AnthonyHart34
@AnthonyHart34 Жыл бұрын
@@oscarjiron6974 I require suggestions on how to restore my portfolio and create more effective strategies in light of the huge declines. Where can I locate this instructor?
@oscarjiron6974
@oscarjiron6974 Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyHart34 You may locate "Ruth Loralann Brennan" using a search engine, of course. But I'm not sure if I have authorization to talk about this. She received a lot of media attention in 2020. She manages my portfolio and serves as my mentor.
@snorttroll4379
@snorttroll4379 Жыл бұрын
tips on living a life with several wives?
@ronaldcole7415
@ronaldcole7415 3 ай бұрын
Anyone who claims they invest better than Warren Buffet is the exact person you want to avoid.
@user-zf8yh2cu5f
@user-zf8yh2cu5f 2 ай бұрын
Seriously? Hero worship is for children.
@adamjackson6002
@adamjackson6002 Ай бұрын
So Tony Robbins 🤣
@stuartcarter4139
@stuartcarter4139 Ай бұрын
@@user-zf8yh2cu5f yeah, and the people who claim to be better than buffet tend to be respected on the basis of hero worship rather than the basis of accumulating billions and billions of dollars for themselves and even more for their shareholders ​​⁠
@inquisitvem6723
@inquisitvem6723 Ай бұрын
The key is saying you follow Warren and get people to pay you for showing how Warren does it…lol
@champhallier8468
@champhallier8468 Жыл бұрын
Investors have a lot to think about and losses to make up after a dreadful year in 2022. The Federal Reserve is expected to continue raising interest rates even if the economy slows down, which implies that portfolio returns will be negative in the first quarter of 2023 despite an inflation report and a wealth of other data. In this shaky economy, how can I generate money? Yet debatable is my $450k bond and equity portfolio.
@trazzpalmer3199
@trazzpalmer3199 Жыл бұрын
You’re right! The current market might give opportunities to maximize profit, but in order to execute such effective transactions, you must be a skilled practitioner.
@hannahdonald9071
@hannahdonald9071 Жыл бұрын
I concur, which is why I like giving an investing coach responsibility for making everyday decisions. Given their specialized knowledge and study, as well as the fact that every one of their skills is aimed on leveraging risk for its asymmetrical potential and limiting it as a buffer against certain unfavorable turns, it is practically impossible for them to underperform. Over the course of more than two years, I've worked with an investment coach ^^Maria Juliana Ramirez^^ and earned massively.
@tampabayrodeo2474
@tampabayrodeo2474 Жыл бұрын
@@hannahdonald9071 Who is this person? Is she worth recommending?
@champhallier8468
@champhallier8468 Жыл бұрын
@@hannahdonald9071 thank you. just wrote her on her webpage.
@mcginnnavraj4201
@mcginnnavraj4201 Жыл бұрын
@@hannahdonald9071 very nice
@BradColemanisHere
@BradColemanisHere Жыл бұрын
It's a good point. He's too nice to come out and say it but yeah, private equity is about being a good salesman and playing with other people's money with no weight or collateral to that investment. I spent 7 years working for a company who built their culture as a private company, then while I was there they went public, went private again, and went public again! As an inside guy I can tell you it was all smoke and mirrors. They're still struggling to figure out who they are. I got bonuses in a LOT of options that were of negative value when it came time to exercise them.
@marcrankin1707
@marcrankin1707 Жыл бұрын
PE is a double dipping phenomenon. The investors put up 30% of their liquidity ( and in the case of purchasing a medical practice, is paid back by the doctors) the other 70% is debt they take on, often by tapping into public retirement funds. The investors not only make a profit from the business generated, but are given a paid position in the business they bought even though they don’t necessarily have expertise in that field.
@elo5193
@elo5193 Жыл бұрын
What paid position do investors get? I don't know, so I ask.
@marcrankin1707
@marcrankin1707 Жыл бұрын
@@elo5193 if you are part of a PE group and you put up 30% liquidity, ostensibly you have shares and get your return on investment. Since you are an owner you can then get a paid position in the company (like an office manager) and get paid through that avenue as well. Basically a “no show” job.
@elo5193
@elo5193 Жыл бұрын
@@marcrankin1707 That's regular practice? PE firms get returns on their investments in a business but also give themselves bogus "management" roles where they don't do anything but get paid?
@marcrankin1707
@marcrankin1707 Жыл бұрын
@@elo5193 it’s not that they don’t do anything, but they make take a position in a business where they have no expertise. For example, a business can acquire a medical practice and one of the investors can be the office manager. He/she may have experience running a company, but not in a healthcare setting. The grassroots healthcare delivery is patient care driven and approaching with a strictly business minded models is inherent with divergent interests and a prelude to conflicts. One is focused on revenue generating, the other with quality delivery.
@elo5193
@elo5193 Жыл бұрын
@@marcrankin1707 Do you mean a managing director or VP get put on the project and get a project management roles? So they get paid by their firm and then through their firm again but for the management role of the project? How significant are these roles compensated?
@moncorp1
@moncorp1 Жыл бұрын
Its going to be a worse place when these two geniuses are gone.
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 Жыл бұрын
Why? What life saving technologies have they invented?
@garyspence2128
@garyspence2128 Жыл бұрын
I think the statement is a reference to their basic honesty and trustworthiness, as opposed to the inherent self-dealing and potential for fraud among the private equity crowd.
@TheLuminousOne
@TheLuminousOne 10 ай бұрын
sure 😂
@TH-dg2mm
@TH-dg2mm Жыл бұрын
It's crazy that Warren Buffet is 92.
@Zb_Calisthenic
@Zb_Calisthenic Жыл бұрын
McDonald's did him well
@A-X-25
@A-X-25 Жыл бұрын
I mean, his body. The rest of it is another story.
@tomwalker389
@tomwalker389 Жыл бұрын
His time is coming soon.
@robertewalt7789
@robertewalt7789 Жыл бұрын
And partner Munger is even older.
@TheBooban
@TheBooban Жыл бұрын
@@A-X-25 he should have retired half a century ago. He can’t go have fun now. He wouldn’t know what to do now.
@petermcmahan4975
@petermcmahan4975 Жыл бұрын
PE is buying huge swaths of the medical services sector and the inland maritime sector. They own most of the inland barge lines in the US. It’s really tragic as they cut pay and benefits and saddle the companies with debts designed to never pay off making the companies employees wage slaves. The investors offer no added value but when they get lucky and the company they bought does really well for business cycle reasons they take it public running up the value and unloading it on index investors.
@kxkxkxkx
@kxkxkxkx Жыл бұрын
The employees can quit at any time 😂 fool
@Davek111
@Davek111 Жыл бұрын
@@kxkxkxkx Unfortunately that's not a valid option for most people.
@rakshay-jain
@rakshay-jain Жыл бұрын
At what company are average employees not wage slaves?
@casparcoaster1936
@casparcoaster1936 Жыл бұрын
mind blowing believeable.... good God...
@TheBeeFactory
@TheBeeFactory Жыл бұрын
@@kxkxkxkx No they can't, you sick f**king ghoul. Disgusting, bootlicking, scumbag, class traitor. Enjoy your chains, slave.
@pm71241
@pm71241 Жыл бұрын
As someone having worked in a company transitioning from being privately owned to being owned by a private equity fond ... They are not healthy ...
@nvda2damoon
@nvda2damoon Жыл бұрын
Warren is spot on. after the rediculous fees PE performance is very poor compared to SPX... the only people getting rich are the operators.
@MadLadsAnonymous
@MadLadsAnonymous Жыл бұрын
Sorry, what is SPX?
@mapryan
@mapryan Жыл бұрын
@@MadLadsAnonymous SPX = S&P500
@kurtfrancis4621
@kurtfrancis4621 Жыл бұрын
Ridiculous. I agree.
@arcticwolf9332
@arcticwolf9332 Жыл бұрын
That is the reality, my friend. Unfortunately.
@Buddyrtc
@Buddyrtc Жыл бұрын
Top quartile PE performance absolutely annihilates the SP500 and it’s not even close. Invest in shitty managers and you will have shitty performance, but if you can find any Cambridge Associates benchmarking data you’ll see top quartile performers in PE regularly outperform the market by a wide margin.
@ideabank.
@ideabank. Жыл бұрын
wow so informative! Thank you for this video! Please keep uploading.
@PamelaFrost
@PamelaFrost Жыл бұрын
Here in oz, the bigs Union run funds have large amounts tied up in private equity. It is seldom written down as there is no requirement to disclose these investments. There is plenty of talk about the situation, but there is no action as yet from our regulator!
@ayushzaveri8193
@ayushzaveri8193 Жыл бұрын
I learnt more about investing by reading Graham and listening to Buffett than I learnt in 3 years of college
@Youtuube304s
@Youtuube304s Жыл бұрын
Of course you did. These guys are worth billions from investing. Why would you expect people making 100k to 200k a year to be as insightful?
@boggy7665
@boggy7665 Жыл бұрын
@@Youtuube304s The worth of a man's labor is not necessarily related to the salary he receives for it.
@salexander3801
@salexander3801 Жыл бұрын
@@boggy7665🔥
@susankariuki8509
@susankariuki8509 11 ай бұрын
I am information gathering out on PE Fund....this is my 2nd video ....who is Graham? Book Title???
@opreadumitru1
@opreadumitru1 10 ай бұрын
Buffett and Graham are obsolete today and of course no rich man will ever tell you 100% how or from whom or in what terms honestly got that initial seed money for his so much trumpeted value investing as if he invented hot water again or the wheel The period between 1950 to 2000 was probably the best time in history (Bull market with few exceptions) for all not only for Buffett the ocean that rises lifts all boats regardless if they are yachts or wooden Today is completely unpredictable if you will hold shares or mutual funds for the next 10-30 years you will be very very sorry unless you keep a very close eye and take active participation because many big business will no longer exist in 10-30 years from now due to AI and other disruptive tech and events in todays market you can only plan for one to three years and then either sell or hold depending on context and situation long gone are the old days where you slept at night not knowing for decades what your money is doing in a forgotten mutual fund
@tomclayton6875
@tomclayton6875 14 күн бұрын
This is the main reason for our Housing market crisis. That and the Health sector. The costs to the public in both those markets has gone into orbit. OVERTURN CITIZENS UNITED!!!
@bodenao
@bodenao Жыл бұрын
Private valuations that are not publicly released and there can be a significant dislocation to stock market valuations. The plummeting S&P and NASDAQ in 2022 has not yet been reflected in PE valuations and if it has, it may not be accurate. It wouldn't be a big deal if the PE world was limited to wealthy individuals and enterprises but pension funds get in on the PE action so John and Jane Doe are exposed unwittingly.
@Ben-dc1sx
@Ben-dc1sx Жыл бұрын
I wish him well
@cloudyblaze7916
@cloudyblaze7916 6 ай бұрын
I agree. I remember one I was invested with and I lost almost all of my money, while they were charging hefty commission. Not doing that anymore, but I'm not so versed with the market myself. I know I can profit though-- can't believe the S&P 500 is up 25% this year! I wonder what next year holds.
@cavaleermountaineer3839
@cavaleermountaineer3839 Жыл бұрын
The Midwest Sages....shootin down the city slickers. Gotta love it.
@Gordian1095
@Gordian1095 Жыл бұрын
A bold statement coming from someone that uses inside information from friends via hand written letters without traceability.
@AwesomeCrackDealer
@AwesomeCrackDealer 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, PE might not be so hot in a competitive market such as the US, but returns are great in more assymetric markets such as Brazil
@exoxy
@exoxy Жыл бұрын
Here in Australia our finance industry is totally in thrall to the supposed magic of "alternative" investments. We are supposed to believe that because their holdings aren't subject to the day to day pricing of stock markets, they are somehow safer. And nobody sees any problem with the fact that its the private equity managers themselves that get to decide how to value their assets! And their fees are calculated from these assessments! And we are forced to give 10% of our paychecks to the simpletons in the pension funds who are hypnotized by these characters. Its like I'm living some twilight zone of stupidity.
@stevenglowacki8576
@stevenglowacki8576 Жыл бұрын
I understand the requirement in Australia to automatically be forced to put a decent chunk of your paycheck into the retirement system, but do you get no say at all in what it invests in? Most employer plans in the US offer a decent range of investment options from which the employee can choose; they might not have every option, but they're given at least some broad-based option.
@exoxy
@exoxy Жыл бұрын
@@stevenglowacki8576 Workers may choose their pension fund (we call them superannuation funds) but the industry is dominated by a few funds which we call industry funds and are the equivalent of US based public pension funds. These account for about 80% of the industry AUM and are populated by clueless academics, public servants and ex Labor party hacks; it is these funds which are putting more and more of workers seized money into illiquid "alternatives". The other fund options are expensive for-profit funds run by fund managers who consistently underperform the market. That is to say, we have the choice between a horse's anus and a donkey's anus. Only very recently has Vanguard introduced a low cost index fund based Superannuation product (much to the chagrin of the incumbents) and I transferred to them as soon as I could.
@stevenglowacki8576
@stevenglowacki8576 Жыл бұрын
I guess I didn't realize the lack of good investment options in general outside of the US. I suppose the superannuation funds have specific legal requirements that need to be followed so it's not like every fund company in the US can just open up one in Australia easily, and they probably don't see the market as large enough to bother.
@exoxy
@exoxy Жыл бұрын
@@stevenglowacki8576 its a 3 trillion dollar market and counting.
@chrisbuesnell3428
@chrisbuesnell3428 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenglowacki8576 Biased nonsense.
@peterbland7227
@peterbland7227 Жыл бұрын
I would be wary of an investment that does not have any oversight or governance. I prefer “boring” investments. Very happy with 6 or 7 % returns. In addition, I strive for as little unsecured debt as possible.
@alexeivoloshin5984
@alexeivoloshin5984 Жыл бұрын
Problem is not private equity. Rather, you it's forced contribution to private equity. That creates moral hazard.
@michaelwithers280
@michaelwithers280 Жыл бұрын
This is an argument that Clifford Asness makes as well. He calls it volatility laundering
@jerryware1970
@jerryware1970 Жыл бұрын
Studies show the Russell 2000 ETF correlates private equity with dramatically lower costs and more liquid.
@charlespoirier541
@charlespoirier541 Жыл бұрын
These 2 guys know stuff.
@zstrizzel
@zstrizzel 3 ай бұрын
great video guys, keep them coming!
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@toulahen-sd6zk 2 ай бұрын
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@nickb-
@nickb- Жыл бұрын
Private equity is Berkshire's main competitor these days, so Warren never misses a chance to attack them. But PE is not some new crazy fad, it was established in its current form in the mid-1940s. Pension funds, sovereign wealth funds, etc, around the world have spent 70+ years studying PE's performance in every possible way and they just keep increasing their exposure to the asset class.
@bobfg3130
@bobfg3130 Жыл бұрын
Nice try. Private Equity is an issue.
@Amnesiaasdf1239
@Amnesiaasdf1239 Жыл бұрын
@@bobfg3130how exactly is private equity in issue? I work in the sector myself and what he says about funds is definitely not true.
@Mtheory989
@Mtheory989 Жыл бұрын
PE firms can “mark-to-make-believe”. And because they don’t mark to market returns (so called IRRs) look smooth and stable which gives a highly inflated Sharpe ratio. Rarely do PE firms take impairment charges (ie mark down their investments) during the tenor of a particular vintage. Only when they need to exit after 5 or 10 years will they realise losses. This keeps values inflated which allows PE firms to keep charging a higher cost of carry. Even independent fund administrators are perversely incentivised to keep values inflated because they charge on a basis point model. Also, PE firms essentially leverage (ie LBOs) the hell out of investments using the free cash flow of the underlying company to pay off interest expenses, which usually leads to cost cutting at the company instead of investing for long-term growth. The return profile between the investor and PE firm is asymmetrical. Essentially investors absorb almost all of the losses because PE firms only put up a small portion of their own capital, while investors put up most of the capital whilst the PE firm charges large management fees on committed, called and uncalled capital during the tenor of a vintage. Leverage juices the returns for both the investor and PE firm when things go right, but disproportionately negatively impacts the investor when an investment sours.
@Mtheory989
@Mtheory989 Жыл бұрын
@Amnesiaasdf - just wondering if you feel any of my points are worth contending.
@bobfg3130
@bobfg3130 Жыл бұрын
@@Amnesiaasdf1239 Private equity is an issue. If you haven't figured that out, that's your problem. You work in the business? You either don't understand it properly so you working in the business means 0 or are lying. Which one iS it?
@johnsullivan1827
@johnsullivan1827 Жыл бұрын
Bear in mind their firm competes with private equity for investors
@Mhdalzein
@Mhdalzein Жыл бұрын
Let them keep on dreaming and praising "value investing" all they want.
@programking655
@programking655 Жыл бұрын
@@MhdalzeinHuh? He’s beaten the market consistently over a long period of time. So yeah, I’d say value investing works.
@baranakin2
@baranakin2 6 ай бұрын
@@programking655 not in terms of risk adjusted returns.
@savagereason9153
@savagereason9153 Жыл бұрын
They’re also typically very hard to control
@pan_bev_nice5960
@pan_bev_nice5960 7 ай бұрын
So lovely to see Charlie.
@ppumpkin3282
@ppumpkin3282 Жыл бұрын
If they don't file SEC forms showing their real return history, have readily available market values, I don't want to invest.
@gastromacho2
@gastromacho2 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this perspective. Has to be careful with the Private Equities..
@andrewmaina8422
@andrewmaina8422 Жыл бұрын
They are not that bad. It is only that nobody ever knows what they are doing.
@funnzypink
@funnzypink 2 ай бұрын
@@andrewmaina8422 huh? then that’s bad 😅
@overcastfriday81
@overcastfriday81 3 ай бұрын
That's interesting because Berkshire Hathaway owns several companies like Wyman Gordon, who go around gobbling up private equity firms. That's why they have something like 10 separate accounting systems in the various business units. If I go to the classified for small businesses up for sale, the asking price will be about 4x annual cash flow. If someone was a runner up bidder offering to always take that business off my hands, (giving me stock market-like liquidity), perhaps I'd pay as much as 6x cash flow. Still, that's a heck of a lot better than buying coca cola which costs about 22x cash flow.
@sfperalta
@sfperalta Жыл бұрын
One hundred ninety one years of experience between those two men. Amazing!
@interests1094
@interests1094 9 ай бұрын
Yes the Warren buffet Charlie Munger school of investing
@alterego157
@alterego157 5 ай бұрын
Easily defeated by ten 20yo kids
@sirblackstone
@sirblackstone Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting perspective. I started an internship in the alternative investment industry. Buffett is right that the money in private equity has skyrocketed. On the other hand, alternatives are so much more than private equity. Alternatives are all unconventional investments (not stocks, bonds, real estate), plus all conventional investments which are invested in by partnerships. Some alternatives will beat the market soundly over the next several years while others will falter, however the industry will continue to stand the test of time because people will always find the next new thing.
@YEC999
@YEC999 Жыл бұрын
"The next big thing" is the opposite of Buffets investment style.
@sirblackstone
@sirblackstone Жыл бұрын
@@YEC999 for Buffett's investment style, the next big things would generally be investments with excellent value. Those kinds of value equities vary according to market conditions, thus becoming "new" investment opportunities, even if the asset has been around for a very long time.
@markio2010
@markio2010 Жыл бұрын
Alts would be more atractive if they would offer trouble free liquidity and companies would keep their promise.
@sirblackstone
@sirblackstone Жыл бұрын
@@markio2010 That is a huge problem with PE, venture capital, and to a lessor extent, hedge funds. For trouble free liquidity, there is a small amount of publicly traded stuff like RIETs and credit funds. Those are higher risk than bonds, but easy to trade and offer higher rates.
@ggttuuxx
@ggttuuxx Жыл бұрын
In theory it sounds pretty good for the intern. In reality, the "Alternatives" are mostly populated with people doing nothing very spectacular, yet charging spectacularly for them. In that they are a sort of scams.
@RockyP-xw8rd
@RockyP-xw8rd Жыл бұрын
They still won’t say anything bad about 3G
@eliawoke3548
@eliawoke3548 Жыл бұрын
What’s 3G?
@RockyP-xw8rd
@RockyP-xw8rd Жыл бұрын
@@eliawoke3548 3G Capital - PE firm from Brazil that is Berkshire's partner in Kraft Heinz.
@maestroadam
@maestroadam Жыл бұрын
Zingggggggg
@SmartInvestingToday
@SmartInvestingToday 4 ай бұрын
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing💲💴💲
@philiprohs
@philiprohs Жыл бұрын
Private Equity will suffer when non competes go away. FTC is finally helping the working man.
@troyhoffman8619
@troyhoffman8619 Жыл бұрын
What?
@belovedstrummer6140
@belovedstrummer6140 Жыл бұрын
What’s non?
@tech9803
@tech9803 Жыл бұрын
@Troy Hoffman There are proposals to ban non-compete employment contracts nationally that restrict people from changing jobs. CA already has this.
@airops423
@airops423 Жыл бұрын
Non-competes have already been unenforceable for a very long time
@accountsequity5587
@accountsequity5587 Жыл бұрын
How does this affect PE firms?
@rrjr4577
@rrjr4577 Жыл бұрын
When is this video from? I trying to find the event/date where WB made these comments. Any help appreciated.
@dogloverjb6873
@dogloverjb6873 Жыл бұрын
He is a very good person and glad to see him doing well.
@mikebelnap3079
@mikebelnap3079 Жыл бұрын
I think he’s a terrible person who’s only accomplishment is riding others success and then acting like it was his idea from the start. Before you pile on me,answer me this question what did Warren invent?
@opreadumitru1
@opreadumitru1 10 ай бұрын
he is afraid of competition he used other people's money as well in his humble beginnings even if he inherited a modest business from his father also politician and businessman his value investing is a dead concept in the 21st century when so much disruptive new tech known and unknown emerges year after year a lot of big business will go broke if they ignore AI (artificial intelligence and automatisation) and emerging big economies competitors like Brazil India or Indonesia
@JesusForKing2030
@JesusForKing2030 Ай бұрын
@@opreadumitru1 who then do you recommend to listen to for investing, economic and personal finance views
@wahyuramadhan195
@wahyuramadhan195 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@cnwil4594
@cnwil4594 10 ай бұрын
I have always thought this.
@wallacesims9294
@wallacesims9294 Жыл бұрын
What happened with Buffett and Becky Quick on his NetJet?
@dirtrabb2973
@dirtrabb2973 Жыл бұрын
In 2017 Trump gave Private Equity firms access to American workers 1.5T 401k funds , Trump also appointed Blackstone ceo s. Schwartzman as special council during that time
@lionra4523
@lionra4523 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@DGmmnLm
@DGmmnLm 4 ай бұрын
This hits so hard with everything happening with Steward healthcare.
@Manx123
@Manx123 Жыл бұрын
There are of course plenty of private equity firms that clearly and consistently, across decades, outperform the market, and are basically doing exactly what Buffet has done for decades only they aren't public companies.
@nandisaand5287
@nandisaand5287 6 ай бұрын
Government pension funds should only be allowed to invest in low-overhead index funds and Government bonds.
@TeresaCook-de6jo
@TeresaCook-de6jo 2 ай бұрын
I agree! These two are my gurus and will be long after they are both gone:) I would love to see warren buffet speak in person. I love that they constantly reinforce integrity in their money choices.
@phillp7777
@phillp7777 Жыл бұрын
what happened in Winnipeg? sounds like they had disaster PE thing take over?
@daryl9799
@daryl9799 Жыл бұрын
I'll tell you what's happening in Winnipeg its a shit hole lol lived there for 2 years wouldn't go back if you paid me. Manitoba is the worst province I've ever lived!
@Edward-zs2sl
@Edward-zs2sl Жыл бұрын
Well, PE is his competition...
@wahyuramadhan195
@wahyuramadhan195 Жыл бұрын
It is also the truth
@bluesque9687
@bluesque9687 Жыл бұрын
At 90 and 99, and given how Berkshire is doing, all covered and insured... I really doubt they are worried about competition!!
@Mr.Seeberg
@Mr.Seeberg Жыл бұрын
Not really. Buffett and Munger is running a public holding company with essentially 0% management fees and 0% performance fees. They don't gain or lose anything if pension funds invests in them or in Private Equity. They do compete on deals related to buying private companies, but BRK is mostly focused on public equities.
@bluesque9687
@bluesque9687 Жыл бұрын
@@artandarchitecture6399 you are smart!
@omreb9040
@omreb9040 8 ай бұрын
PE is a successful scam for the dense.
@jtaco4101
@jtaco4101 Жыл бұрын
Charlie munger is freaking hilarious
@peterwhitehead2453
@peterwhitehead2453 Жыл бұрын
…thought for a moment I was watching The Muppet Show 😅
@professorprat
@professorprat Жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what you think 🤔
@stupidguy97
@stupidguy97 Жыл бұрын
What a wise observation. Now go apply it.
@brianjacobsen8878
@brianjacobsen8878 Жыл бұрын
The word private tells you everything you need to know about these criminals. That own judicial They all should be in orange jumpsuits.
@pierrex3226
@pierrex3226 5 ай бұрын
There are lots of situations where private equity makes sense. But then outsized returns get eaten away by competitors who like an easy meal, until there's no more free lunch. Ah which point, most are probably better off buying an ETF on the s&p because at least it's liquid. If your money is stuck for ten years and you end making the same return as listed equities, you kind of lost money. And that's assuming you make that much.
@olusegunakintunde6297
@olusegunakintunde6297 8 ай бұрын
My only question: is Berkshire any different from Black Rock? One is publicly traded and is bound by SEC bylaws. However, they have the EXACT same mission: MAXIMIZE shareholder value. Neither entity has cornered the integrity market. History bears that out.
@skzion2
@skzion2 4 ай бұрын
Every corporation is supposed to be maximizing shareholder return.
@titrecords2294
@titrecords2294 2 ай бұрын
Somehow these men are as good with the stand up comedy as they are with investing! amazing sense of humor
@BabaDka
@BabaDka Жыл бұрын
Follow the money. Amends §177 of the RSSL to increase NYCERS’ allowable investments in “Basket Clause” investments from 25% to 35% of fund assets. The Basket Clause provides a limit on the amount of NYCERS assets that can be invested in products not expressly authorized in Section 177.
@matthewbridges3147
@matthewbridges3147 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe Charlie's 99
@SolracCAP
@SolracCAP Жыл бұрын
And sharp! Amazing!
@_Huperniketes_
@_Huperniketes_ 4 ай бұрын
He’s dead, Jim.
@jz5005
@jz5005 9 ай бұрын
I was born in Wpg. I wish I heard the question.
@g.t.richardson6311
@g.t.richardson6311 Жыл бұрын
Agree Pension funds got into this and real estate and hedge fund nonsense after 2009 They should have just stayed in the stock market and they’d be in a lot better shape
@frank9253
@frank9253 Ай бұрын
He’s talking about Larry Fink and Blackrock.
@user-iz4xd2vw5o
@user-iz4xd2vw5o 7 ай бұрын
when/where was this?
@jburron
@jburron Жыл бұрын
Back in 2006 I was saying in interviews (with pensions) that it’d be great to invest in private equity as it the smoothing makes the trade that much better.
@EOCA
@EOCA 2 ай бұрын
Cool to hear Buffet has heard of Winnipeg
@theaussiebaron
@theaussiebaron Жыл бұрын
If someone is trying to sell you something, walk away. It's not that hard.
@gregrobbins3840
@gregrobbins3840 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Maybe go a step further and analyze the alternatives.
@justinokraski3796
@justinokraski3796 Жыл бұрын
Problem is when they try to sell something to someone who affects your livelihood or community and you get no say
@kenarthur6253
@kenarthur6253 8 ай бұрын
I've worked for a company that was bought by a Private Equity company. All about the bottom line. Not fun working under these conditions, for sure. 🤦
@ranjitmenon1175
@ranjitmenon1175 4 ай бұрын
Not all PE funds are fradulent there are good and bad people like the coin with both sides we must carefully do the due delliegience of the PE funds before we invest 20 % should be the target ROI and you will win in 10 -15 years time frame the fees are absolutely bad part of the PE investment process i totally agree to this we should be avoiding this fees are vicious trap of the fradulent games
@berkit1
@berkit1 Жыл бұрын
Didn't Warren started initially as a PE asking friends to invest with him as he managed and invested for them?
@ProfAzimov
@ProfAzimov Жыл бұрын
No?
@fantastikfanatic1900
@fantastikfanatic1900 Жыл бұрын
Except that deal with khc
@aninda2457
@aninda2457 8 күн бұрын
A private equity investor is interested in his exit with good returns. The problem lies when he tries to control the promoter and dictate him terms on how to run the company focusing solely on his own money and not caring much about other stakeholders for the longer term.
@drexelspivey872
@drexelspivey872 17 күн бұрын
I would say that private equities come in and “synthetically” report numbers that look really good
@SI-YO-FUERA-DIPUTADO-235
@SI-YO-FUERA-DIPUTADO-235 4 ай бұрын
In Europe (Germany, Belgium) American Private Equity funds bought thousands of apartments. They quickly raised rent prices and kicked out old people to the curb.
@jefftauzin760
@jefftauzin760 Жыл бұрын
PE drove up there cost of business acquisition since the amount of PE firms have grown exponential over the last decade. Does Warren expect PE firms to do all the market research, pay attorneys, find targets, pay OE firms out there own pockets? There’s firms that also take less fees and some have taken no fees on funds.
@MrMajani
@MrMajani Жыл бұрын
Statler and Waldorf
@jonclement
@jonclement Жыл бұрын
I always hoped they'd implement more auditing at the big investment level: PE, etc. Seems like a better legacy project for buffet to change the industry rather then accumulating more returns.
@carolyncvaldez257
@carolyncvaldez257 2 ай бұрын
Better to invest in mezzanine or senior debt. Please study the capital stack. Much better to be the lender
@maltesetony9030
@maltesetony9030 3 ай бұрын
These guys are like those 2 guys in the high-up seats in the Muppets Show. And they talk great sense!
@jaimecoleman8407
@jaimecoleman8407 6 ай бұрын
Considering the truth that "private equity" (an extraordinarily charitable lie), owns our economy and government ... thank you professor obvious.
@calebhuiet473
@calebhuiet473 Жыл бұрын
Brk owns mkl. One of the holdings of mkl is bn. It forest seem that they are too concerned with Brookfield
@jasonmiddleweek1509
@jasonmiddleweek1509 Жыл бұрын
Alternatives did very well in Australia last year, like 21% increase versus -20% for international shares. Good to have some private equity for diversification, if you can access it
@monsterboomer8051
@monsterboomer8051 Жыл бұрын
You don't find this weird? In this economy? You better sell while they are up. You can always buy low again later.
@bobbygetsbanned6049
@bobbygetsbanned6049 Жыл бұрын
Or or or, you just do what you're supposed to do an invest in bonds. "Alternatives" are way too complicated for the standard investor to understand, and one year's performance means absolutely nothing.
@rogerwelsh2335
@rogerwelsh2335 2 ай бұрын
Doesn’t Berkshire operate sort of like a private equity?
@Kurt-rg8jq
@Kurt-rg8jq Жыл бұрын
Are banks normally giving PE firms leverage at 66% LTV?
@dbsk06
@dbsk06 Жыл бұрын
I think the academic research shows that he is right on average but top quartile pe funds still do generate excess / risk adjusted returns
@johnalombardi2951
@johnalombardi2951 Жыл бұрын
GG, thank you for this information, are there any online sources that you follow? I would like to learn more about the field. Many thanks.
@Hermanjackson89
@Hermanjackson89 10 ай бұрын
This is my fifth year after retirement. I've been following the 4% rule thing, but this isn't really how hard I expected things to be. I still have about $460k outside funds in my IRA to invest in stocks. Pls how do I take advantage of the market turnaround?
@lawrencelittlefield5254
@lawrencelittlefield5254 Жыл бұрын
New York's "progressive" politicians just passed a bill in Albany to raise the share of public pension fund assets in alternatives to 35%. For they're Wall Street contributors. They also retroactively increase pension benefits again this year. For their public employee union contributors. NYC taxpayers have paid more for public employee pensions over the decades, as a share of the public payroll and as a share of their own incomes, than taxpayers anywhere in the country. And yet the NYC pension funds are among the most underfunded -- even compared with the NY State pension funds that also cover local government employees elsewhere in the state, and are well funded. No one can explain the difference. The same state legislature has set the rules for both for decades.
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