1:28 *when pilots wanted the ju 87 to look cool and have retractable landing gear that is up to date with the era*

Speaking from SB pilot's point of view, there are many things this review didn't consider. First of all, the Ju 87 has better cockpit visibility than the IL-2. This is very important in Simulator Battles, and makes it easier to keep track of enemy planes and tanks as you look for targets and threats. Additionally, the Ju 87 has a reflector gunsight which is much easier to use than the IL-2's "crosshair" iron sights. This makes it much easier to accurately aim with guns, rockets, and even bomb drops. The Ju 87 also has much, much better low speed flight characteristics. It's significantly easier to turn and maneuver in general, and it isn't as sensitive to stalls as the IL-2 is. If a Ju 87 and an IL-2 got into a dogfight, the only thing the IL-2 could ever do is run away... but with such a small speed difference, that's kind of difficult to do. The IL-2 has some advantages, though. It is significantly more durable due to its armour, but that is also partially responsible for making it less maneuverable. And if you do get hit, often the damage makes it hard to continue fighting and even if you can keep flying, all you can do is try to RTB. The IL-2 also has better primary armament, with the VYa-23 cannons being able to penetrate and set on fire even German medium tanks from the top or the rear. The MG 151/20 cannons on the Stuka can't really do much damage against any armoured targets, but they are good against softer targets, and since the Stuka is so stable and easy to fly, they're also useful against planes. The IL-2 has more versatile ordnance selection, but more difficult to use effectively, especially against player tanks in SB Ground. Because of the gunsight, it can be quite tricky to aim the guns and rockets, and since the 100 kg bombs are pretty small they are not nearly as reliable as the Stuka's bigger bombs. And if you choose to use the 2x250kg bomb payload option on the Sturmovik, you forgo any rockets. Overall I would say the IL-2 ordnance is much better suited for taking out multiple soft targets, and ground targets in Air Battles (which are pretty weak compared to player tanks in Ground Battles), while the Stuka's two heavier bomb drops make it a bit more effective against player tanks - but at the cost of fewer attack runs, only two as opposed to maximum of eight attack runs for a fully loaded IL-2 (4x100kg bombs + 8xRBS-132 rockets fired in pairs). The Sturmovik's cannons can make it a worthwhile plane to use in Ground Battles, though, but only if you can aim them accurately. Personally, I prefer the Stuka of these two. Better maneuverability, better handling, gunsight, and excellent 20mm cannons. The Ju 87 D-5 is actually the vehicle I have the most ground kills *and* the most air kills in the game, if you can believe it...

And now I may ask: if the IL 2 is better, why are they at the same br?

LoL 1:31 Ju 87 D-5 lose his Gear but looks cool

"The German aircraft doesn't really impress here"- And they show footage of the guns decimating aircraft.

I can't agree with whole idea of video. Ju87 D5 was ment to dive bombing and infantry attacking purposes. IL2 M was ment to fly low and hunt German tanks. They are two completely difrent planes.

But unlike the Ju-87, if the IL-2 turns it falls like a brick, i'd say the Stuka is easier to fly

7:24 Soviet Commander: "Berezin you'll be Machinegun"

The rear turret of the Ju-87 is far better

Il-2M is good but it is flying BRICK :P

in case you're wondering, 1:28 was an actual technique widely spread amongst the luftwaffe pilots, for it being a quick way to lose drag and weight, thus gaining on agility and speed

1:26 Is this what you meant by “lost the Jericho Trumpet and the list goes on”

The bias is strong in this one

Stuka with no gear isn't real it can't hurt you Stuka with no gear: 1:30

the Ju 87D-5 would be better with the Jericho Trumpets though, that would make it win

Gaijin is Russian. IL-2 is Russian. I'll leave you to come to a conclusion.

So basically what you’ve done is taken two 3.3 battle rating vehicles and shown that one is better in every aspect. War Thunder matchmaking at its finest.

Given how hard the Stuka can dogfight Spitfires, the "Can we skip turning" part is a bad meme, particularly if you use the great flaps which were a trademark feature of Junkers aircraft. The IL-2 as a whole doesn't shine in flight performance, gunnery (with the exception of the VYa's higher pen) as the 3000rpm machine gun on the Ju 87 also isn't too shabby and overall is a much less forgiving if not downright inferior aircraft.

The Stuka has better gunners, I'd say. Much better turn speed, traverse and elevation angle, the ability to actually shoot _down_ below the elevators to some extent, and twin MG 81s are more potent than a single Berezin UBS. Especially considering the MG 81's incredible rate of fire. Also, the Stuka's heavy bombs allow it the rare chance to knock out multiple targets at once, though I still prefer the IL-2's armament.

Tiger II vs IS-2 mod 1944

No.ju 87 has very good flying capabilities.It turns so fast!While the IL-2 feels so heavy.

1:27 _casually breaks landing gear_

1:28 rare footage of Stuka not having landing gears

i would always choose a Ju87 over an Il-2 :)

Hold on... So the IL-2M is better than the Ju 87 D-5 in every way yet at the same BR?

i was once in my IL-2-37 and i was being shot at by a i-15 and p-36 hawk, and just didn't care. the IL-2 is a beast of a machine and, as he said, a flying tank

i have been using the ju 87 d5 for awhile now and i loved it in simulator tank battles becauze there u can skip across the water and get rid of your gears then you can get up to 400 kph + (this is after the bombing or u decide to ditch the bombs and kill a plane or 2) and because of the turn rate and additional speed u can now dog fight and there is a bonus u canlook in gunners view to look around better

Well in dogfight don't underestimate the 6x 20mm cannons they can do some painful damage when you use air targets

Ju-87 D-5 wins, has higher airspawn and gunpods

Then if the IL-2 is better then why are they at the same BR?

Everybody gangsta until the JU87 pulls out the 6 MG-151s

The real question, which one strikes more fear into the heart of the enemy

"Let's get down to business" TO DEFEAT *THE HUNS*

Wel... that's just a Russian bias..... I'm not German pilot 😂

First the Ju-87 stands no change, you should compare the IL-2 vs the P-47, or a Me-410

BF-109 K-4 vs P-51 D-30 next?

honestly is actually harder to kill tanks with il 2 than ju 87 bcuz of its massive pay load of 2x250 kg and 500kg i sometimes kill 4 tanks with it no joke

Different Types of primary Attacking roles/Types. Dive Bomber vs. Groundattacker/CloseAirSupport, maybe compare to HS129 or ME210/410. Even a BF110 would fit better for a compare.

Speaking of Physics, Sense and Logic 1.Flying Tank, it means heavier load to carry which makes plane more harder to control and low speed. 2.Junkers Have double Gun at the back while IL-2M has only 1 which changes rate of fire which is important. 3.Having Smaller bomb drop first helps ju-87 by attacking weaker opponents like AA and leaving big 500kg bomb on Pillboxes and tanks. 4.Junkers have Airbreaks which can help during attack on ground. 5.Biased Russia will always win, for example : IS-6 Vs Tiger . Seems tiger had everything better but still lost. 6. JU-87 Has better Cockpit than IL-2M 7.75% about IL-2m , 10% Usless speech , 5% Taunting JU-87, 10%- about JU-87 very helpful comparison huh.

6:55 the IL-2 gunner takes out the Ju-87. Lol

1:27 *casually looses landing gears*

1:27 you think we didn’t notice? 😂

The IL-2M is soo durable against bullet fire that they don't need Phil Swift to flex it.

Hey you forgot something, spawns, in air realistic battles the il-2 gets a measly attacker spawn, while the ju-87 gets a bomber spawn, combine that massive altitude advantage with the gunpods and you've got yourself one hell of a heavy fighter.

It is likely that a 100kg bomb from an IL2 drop will not kill a ground target, however, the 250kg bombs from the Stuka are almost guaranteed to kill. Especially the 500kg bomb. Also you are underestimating the power of the 6 20mm guns mod for the Stuka with air targets and ground targets belts.

Soooooo...... if the il 2 is better in firepower, defence and maneuverability..... Why are they at the same br. Just asking. :)

Just saying , I love flying the Stuka in ground realistic battles, one drop and head home is my play style. Kill an enemy or two and head back, kill the fighter behind you with your guns, rearm, repeat. If your deciding between the two, just think of play styles. Both are great aircraft that work very differently.

37 mm guns that can pen over 100mm of armor, take it or leave it.

Ju 87 can turn so sharply with flaps, it also seems to loose energy slower and accelarate faster than the IL 2, plus the load makes a difference although I still prefer the D3 cuz of the 3x 500kg. So for me it's an easy win.

IL 2 a better flyer? ha no. The Stuka is much more nimble, at least when it has energy, and can easily pull out of dives.

fun fact il 2 shturmovik used to be a fighter until the soviet union needs a good striker then it was converted to a striker adding a machine gun turret (for defensive armament), bomb bay ( to carry bomb's), VYA cannon ( to destroy German spaa's, and some pz1 and pz2), and hardpoints (to carry rockets), and they added the armor(for some protection)

You forgot the fact that the Ju 87 is the only one capable of performing dive-bombing. Not only does it have airbrakes, but it can hold up at extreme speeds.

JU-87 can have more guns, can turn faster (have overall better mobility), have air-brakes, have 2 MG's in rear turret instead of 1, looks better (in my opinion) and most players think that's easy target and you can use it against them.

And the winner is........ Gepard

I do agree with most of the points, except one: as a sim player, I find the Stuka's gunner to be far more dangerous. The Mg 81Z is really dangerous, with a good firing arc, extremely high RoF and good ammunition supply, and while the Sturmovik has a mg of a larger caliber, it has a smaller firing arc and far less ammo. I often regard Sturmoviks as easy prey, but I always think twice before attacking a Stuka. The Stuka is indeed a bloody dangerous plane

Everyone coming just to hear the Stuka Siren: Gaijin: “...the Stuka gained more armor and lost their jericho sirens...” Everyone: “Awwwwwwwww....”

D5 has 6 cannons. This is bomb destroyer like:)

The eel-2 and the you-87.

For ground attacking the IL is better, but the Ju has a dive bomber air spawn, making it possible to kill bombers, especially with such great gun/gun pod options.

I have the Ju 87 D5, and I really wish I had the 12 mgs and 4 20mms mods because I want to see how awesome it looks.

4:16 how i feel when playing flakbus in arcade ;(

Yes, yes, I AM going to play WT today, thank U. I like the IL 2 better personally

and in the end i would still go for the Ju because of the extra control using the airbrake

Disagree about defensive armament the JU87 2 Mg17s fire faster, are easier to aim with (more tracers), and have more ammo before they need to be reloaded.

Well Ju-87 D5 is great, but meh, the Il-2 does win.

Tiger 2 vs Is 2 1944 mod

Best Ground Attackers You Say??? *Laughs in P-47*

Il2 did not have antiarmor arnament up to somer of 43, when it got PTAB 2.5kg bombs. The bombs and rackets it had were not precision weapon in any way because it was no any bomb sights. The 20 and even 23mm guns were to weak for the tanks armor. But you need to know in advance if target has tanks to load PTAB. On the other way Stuka can use 100 or 500 kg bombs for dive attack on tanks, artillery positions and troops dig-in positions. It was extremely affective because of the radio contact between special Luftwaffe officer on the group and pilots. The Stuka pilots first destroy tanks and artillery gun, next- machine gun nests and after while it was no one to hold position. It was possible only if the other side did not have fighters cover. Stuka was almost defenseless again enemy fighters.

give us seperable bomb drop choices

BUSSIAN RIAS

I mean... with the dive brakes and bomb swing, it’s a lot easier to engage ground targets from different angles using JU-87.

Yes agreed, sometimes when I fly my IL2 I start to chuckle at how many bullets eit eats, and I RTB to repair, but mostly I run out of oil before I get to the airfield

Lol, classic War Thunder and the good ol' russian bias 😂

FIRST ONE

Il-2s were actually used in RL to intercept german bombers and ground attack planes when there was a shortage of fighters

what about a comparison video between the various "super prop" aircraft? a sort of battle royale comparison between the Sea Fury, the Bearcat, the Spitfire Mk 24, and the P-51H

props to the narrator he seems to love his job can't fault him there

I consider IL-2 to be a “bomber destroyer”, against fighters it is not capable, but with its firepower it can easily shred any bombers.

1:29 It's all fun and games, until the Stuka retracts it's landing gear.

1:27, a perfect example of why you don't go low.

Hans Ulrich Rudel: Hold my beer

I personally like the Ju- 86 D-5 more than the IL-2M.

Gaijin really letting us watch a german vs russian commonly knowing germany is putpowered again

Great video. Still wish we could get APHE rounds on the stuka g-2 :(

this is like comparing a HE 51 to a SU-2. Totally different play style. JU 87 is meant for dive bombing, which it is very good at. IL-2 is meant for ground attacking not dive bombing.

I engaged a Ju 87 D5 once in a RB, that single guy destroyed me and 3 other planes, probably because we were fighting a 3.7 B.R plane in a 2.3 B.R battle, awesome

personally i'd still go for the Stuka because as Leo verschoor said it has air brakes and the IL-2 loses speed easily whereas the Stuka can dive, and is more effective against aircraft (In my opinion)

Tbh, never heard of the il-2 until a couple years ago

there is only one problem with the il-2 where i think the junkers is better. The junkers can immediately drop the bombs where the il-2 first has to open the bomb bay, so if you forget to open it you miss your target

A stuka without the siren just removes what made the ju 87 so iconic. Sad goering noises

i prefer the rear gunner on the Stuka because it has an insanely high rate of fire compared to the russian machine gun, and if you are getting chased, it usually just takes a single shot to the face of the enemy pilot, or a minor ammount of shots into the engine to ensure safety

Yes I totally agree I would only agree 3/4 the way if the Stuka didn’t have the siren removed

A good strategy for all Ju 87s is to get your landing gears to be shot off, or knock them off with eater or ground, makes you look like a fighter, and makes you look less like a vulnerable dive bomber. Idk if it improves your speed or maneuverability though, it may not as it does not count as losing bombs or something.

1:30 Look at the sexiest JU-87 , I really like when JU-87 lost his landing gear

You missed the 1000kg bomb that the stuka has since the second model, useful for everything, at the point you can make a multikill, destroy a light cruiser with a good drop in a single run or even destroy a enemy base in realistic AB... 1 ton of fun wich is even in some cases not much needed of aim, and can destroy light enemies just falling over it (before exploding, just falling over their head)

Most people say that the F-82 has a lot of guns in it's gun pod. BUT DOES IT HAVE 12.

Ju 87 D5 is a fighter variant of the stuka, for ground targets you shoukd take the D3 variant, it haves heavier bombs. And if you use flaps on the machines they are very different, in high speed like about 400km/h the suka is very great to manover, I already won dogfight against spitfire with that. And I have a friend that kills minimum 3-4 planes in a reallistik aviation game, his max was I think 12 or more in 1 game ( killed enemies ). And if enemie aircraft comes behind you you have anyway not that much chances. Only if it's a nooby pilot

4:14 this guy be using the flak bus as a SPAA

i really liked this video you should do more :)

Here is a problem with the Stuka, the Stuka has a landing gear that is always down like a WW1 plane, yet the IL-2 can retract its landing gear so point goes to the IL-2!