Was Endwalker a FAILURE? - Expansion Retrospective

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Preach Gaming

Preach Gaming

Күн бұрын

At long last the 10 year journey that began with A Realm Reborn has come to an end. With Endwalker now officially finished its time for us to look back at the expansion, at all its successes and failures. And its time for us to see if its worthy of its name and what this means for Dawntrail and beyond.
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00:00 - Intro
01:18 - A 10 Year Story
03:14 - An Expansion in 2 parts
03:55 - Endwalker Main Story
06:40 - Post Nutkin Clarity
07:57 - The Post MSQ
10:18 - Endwalker's failings
14:05 - Not Enough Content
18:00 - The Relic Problem
21:21 - Final Thoughts
23:02 - Outtakes
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@Preachgaming
@Preachgaming 3 ай бұрын
Now that all of the patches are done and Dawntrail is on the horizon, we felt it was time to take a long look back at Endwalker as a whole - the good, the bad, the progress, the mistakes - and where it sits at the end of this 10 year journey which started in A Realm Reborn. As we look ahead, will Square Enix embrace change, or play it safe? P.S. Yes that footstep scene was as much of a pain in the butt as you think it is.
@christopherstoner2059
@christopherstoner2059 3 ай бұрын
Keep that footstep scene for your FFXIV openings!
@ASpaceOstrich
@ASpaceOstrich 3 ай бұрын
Excellent job whoever on the PG team put that together.
@reyk1665
@reyk1665 2 ай бұрын
Great video! 6.0 was great in my opinion. It had it's flaws and I didn't really like the ending. Personlly I think they wasted Zenos' potential. They could have done so much more with him after the final battle. I was really disappointed, but apart from that a really solid story. The post patches however... yeah... not a fan. 😅
@crowevil4658
@crowevil4658 2 ай бұрын
Nope. YoshiP was only the director of 14. He was only the producer of 16 BECAUSE he couldn’t take the same responsibilities. BU3 could’ve shared resources, but also don’t know if they hired or expanded their respective efforts - it’s only speculation and not public. It is also highly possible that developing for 14 is relatively less difficult than back in 2.0. The only fairness I would say is EW lacked any INNOVATION - though party follow and dialogue sections was new (but irrelevant here). The content cycle has been the same since 2.0, with a few sprinkles. We got a deep dungeon and criterion’s in lieu of Bozja-like content, it’s not hard to understand. The game is getting a facelift, it would be nice to see more innovative mechanics and quests, but I don’t the content pattern will change much. The relic grind complaint is boring and lacks effort as feedback. Is it immersive right now? No. But relics were always artificial FOMO, and always nerfed at the end of the expansion to the point that makes the grind a waste of time. No one like Fate grinds and suddenly we miss them? Aetheric light (dungeon/raid spam) is the same as tomes, change my mind. The real complaint is that instead creating a new log or relic “lore” they expanded and deepened the Manderville quests. People just need to call it what it is. FFS.
@magamisic5924
@magamisic5924 2 ай бұрын
@@reyk1665I personally disagree. The fact they brought back Zenos after the end before was a little questionable gamble to say they least, but they did deliver. I think it was a fine send off
@aznhomig
@aznhomig 3 ай бұрын
The intro is really high effort and appreciated.
@GimmeTOKYO
@GimmeTOKYO 3 ай бұрын
So is the outro!
@LuisPerez-129
@LuisPerez-129 3 ай бұрын
@@GimmeTOKYOlol the outro got me good, it made me laugh.
@OldManInternet
@OldManInternet 3 ай бұрын
I was here to essentially type this haha. Loved it.
@lordpoundcake2317
@lordpoundcake2317 2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@rpglover101
@rpglover101 2 ай бұрын
I love when Preach gets all filmmaker.
@Baromunk
@Baromunk 3 ай бұрын
When I saw that graph of 2 minute burst DPS, I... motherf... 🤣
@NibelungJ
@NibelungJ 3 ай бұрын
So that's why they call it big deeps.
@user-qi7wt4xn1m
@user-qi7wt4xn1m 3 ай бұрын
@@NibelungJ big dick damage.
@jackicurtis3611
@jackicurtis3611 2 ай бұрын
He draws it all with such a straight face, too.
@Kate-ms2mn
@Kate-ms2mn 2 ай бұрын
@@jackicurtis3611 he does not
@jgcapers3860
@jgcapers3860 2 ай бұрын
I hate how impactful and funny the 2 minute cooldown is at the same time.
@Reinshark
@Reinshark 3 ай бұрын
A fair and balanced take on the expansion. It was wonderful seeing you get to enjoy your time with Endwalker, and I'm looking forward to enjoying your Dawntrail coverage too!
@Lctl10
@Lctl10 3 ай бұрын
What an intro! What a review - production was off the scale . WELL DONE EVERYONE!
@Kniraven
@Kniraven 3 ай бұрын
This was well done. I hope the effort put in is reflected by the engagement. I'd love to see a behind the scenes view of your green screen setup.
@TheSteveSchulz
@TheSteveSchulz 3 ай бұрын
Actually, the story element of the trial series was spread across more than just Tataru's, there was some also in that side quest that went into the fiends' backstory, *and* there was more story in the patch MSQ than is typical.
@siyrean
@siyrean 3 ай бұрын
except that the full storyline within the Ishgardian restorations dwarfs them both.
@ryguy7932
@ryguy7932 3 ай бұрын
Also consider that the other Post MSQs were split into two parts, the follow up to the main MSQ of that expansion and the setup for the next one, where Endwalkers was... actually neither? Not much to follow up on and seemed to set up some other distant story and only giving us a simple dawntrail intro. So they could have a singular quest line for one trial series in the Post MSQ. Makes sense to me. I really enjoyed the EW post-MSQ.
@user-qi7wt4xn1m
@user-qi7wt4xn1m 3 ай бұрын
it also went into Island sanctuary. every cap rank have some people visit your island. important npcs to boot.
@TheSteveSchulz
@TheSteveSchulz 3 ай бұрын
@@user-qi7wt4xn1m Ehhhh.... I mean 5.x had Bozja and Ishgardian Restoration that arguably was spread out between IS and Variant, so I think the equivalent is not the quests wedged between the dungeon and trial of each 6.x MSQ, while the final trial was shifted to Mandeville.
@TheSteveSchulz
@TheSteveSchulz 3 ай бұрын
@@user-qi7wt4xn1m subtract the not in my other reply
@TheDavid0408
@TheDavid0408 3 ай бұрын
12:50, you knew what you were doing
@Kiwicrack
@Kiwicrack 3 ай бұрын
big dick damage, amirite?
@patyos2
@patyos2 3 ай бұрын
Big ingame D checks
@tylorhobbs8920
@tylorhobbs8920 3 ай бұрын
It's the only way to depict big dick damage.
@joserobertotrevinosalinas9910
@joserobertotrevinosalinas9910 2 ай бұрын
Is this the famous big dick dps?
@SporeTres
@SporeTres 2 ай бұрын
"and this one got shorter"
@Charanari3
@Charanari3 3 ай бұрын
OH MY GOD I loved this video so damn much. Not only did Preach offer his own fair take on Endwalker, on which most things I agree with, but the attention to details, the intro and the outro were AMAZING. ESPECIALLY the outro, I just LOVED it. Great job team! This was one of the best you've ever done, REALLY can't wait where you guys go next!
@sophomorehat
@sophomorehat 3 ай бұрын
I stopped playing after the 6.0 MSQ. I first started back in Heavensward and played pretty much nonstop for the best part of 6 years. Endwalker wrapped up the story so well that it just felt like a natural stopping point for me, a great place to hang up my bard bow and retire from saving the world. It was really fulfilling to walk away from a live service MMO with nothing but fond memories, not feeling burned out, not feeling like the game overstayed its welcome. Now I'm enjoying following your journey through the new story!
@tciddados
@tciddados 3 ай бұрын
I don't think there's really a reason that the number of jobs has to influence the relic grind due to completionists. It would be fairly simple for SE to make a system that made the first jobs you do take a long time, but as you have more jobs completed, the speed you finish the grind at increases. It could be a level/buff thing similar to Bozja resistance levels / the buffs you get from that that just makes killing things quicker, or just a drop rate increase, or whatever. That way, the average player still gets a long relic grind, but the completionists don't have an unrealistic grind for the rest.
@italian504
@italian504 3 ай бұрын
they did just that in bozja funnily enough. First time through there were 2 lengthy quests to get through (First was the 17 crystals from HW 24 and SHB 24 mans and second was the Two types of crystals, Gear parts and books) but once you did it on one character, they were non-repeatable. The other steps were and barring ONE step, the majority can be easily grinded out compared to those 2 steps.
@RisqueBisquetz
@RisqueBisquetz 3 ай бұрын
technically the "long grind" was already done, through the Hildibrand questline. That's not exactly a short journey to go through and not everyone can even stand the type of humor it has.
@tciddados
@tciddados 3 ай бұрын
@@RisqueBisquetz The hildi questline isn't a long grind at all, in the sense that this video was talking about a long grind being a reason to play each day. If you're not a new player who needs to do all the hildi quests from previous expacs, the EW hildi quests are around an hour or two each patch that has a new relic, and the tomes are something you don't even need to do new content for (like eureka/bozja), you'll just naturally accumulate them regardless. And to the bozja comment: That's a bit fair, though idr how much faster the one-time parts being removed made it, since I don't ever really do more than one relic an expac, typically.
@grygaming5519
@grygaming5519 3 ай бұрын
@@italian504 I still stand by the fact that had Covid not hit....people would have bemoaned another 'Bozja/Eureka' in Endwalker. Both zones were lukewarm in reception to say they werent and beloved is kind of rewriting the past. People were pissed at the relic lock behind Eureka, and more were even angry that Yoshida removed the ability to progress the relic outside the Zone. Bozja...that it forced you to do a dungeon in a zone you didnt want to do. Its primarily that I honestly felt that the Endwalker relics was pretty much Yoshida apologizing to the people who didnt want to do that kind of content but had to fill the void of a content drought somehow.
@whisperingshadowXI
@whisperingshadowXI 3 ай бұрын
​@@grygaming5519You're assuming it's the same crowd complaining on both cases. There are people that still hate Eureka and Bozja but can't say shit because they know they'll get ragged on despite any valid criticisms they might have for the zones. Similarly if the seeming majority of people praised the Hildi relic progression, the OG relic grind people would look like masochists wasting people's time demanding more tedium to get the relic. Fact of the matter is, YoshiP was damned if he did and damned if he didn't change the relic grind. The only difference is we're used to the complainers about relic grinding from past expansions. We're not used to the other group bitching so it makes it look like a "new" problem. But those people were always there, ready to blow a gasket they just didn't say anything until now. Tl;dr people will always complain no matter what the fuck you do, just do your best to make sure the game is enjoyable enough the bitchers get drowned out (which is harder each day when social media is continually optimized to promote bullshit drama over literally anything else, it's legit the first thing people get shown on EVERY social media platform by default, wish they could be sued/punished to oblivion for such insidious influencing).
@epicspacecow1779
@epicspacecow1779 3 ай бұрын
Man it really was a journey now wasnt it? I dont know if i would have tried 14 if it wasnt for you tbh but so glad i did. Thank you so much.
@Dschonathan
@Dschonathan 3 ай бұрын
I really think lots of players feel the "Endwalker got no reason to log on" specifically because they joined during Shadowbringers. After 2 or so years of playing through all of content that has piled up over 10 years of mmo development these players now reached the point where there is no more old/new-for-them content to go back to during a lull. And FF14 does get new content slowly, at least if you consider that there is no new timegated system to grind each patch. It's like reading a book series that has been going on for decades with an almost endless catalogue you can read through. Even if it feels like you will never catch up with all of the content, if you keep being interested it will happen eventually and then you are suddenly confronted with the drip feed that has been filling up an ocean.
@RokkitGrrl
@RokkitGrrl 2 ай бұрын
Somehow, I'm still getting login queues in spite of the droves of people that supposedly quit the game. lol
@VideogamesPang
@VideogamesPang 2 ай бұрын
I've been subbed since the start of Heavensward, mid 2015. Mid-late Endwalker was the first time where I genuinely felt that the game was starving for content. And it's not that there was less content, it's that the content they did make had absolutely no staying power. Variant/Criterion is fun but it's like 1 day of content. Relic steps could be completed in half a day before the patch even launched. Normally I would spend at least a couple of months playing each patch before taking a break. As someone who doesn't do organized raiding, In Endwalker each patch felt like maybe 2 days worth of content except for a couple of rote daily tasks like PvP series, island sanctuary, and beast tribes. Legitimately PvP is the only thing that kept the game fun for me for more than a couple of days after patch launch. I've always advocated for the game not being a big grind that forces you to keep logging in and that it's okay to take breaks. But imo what they delivered in Endwalker just isn't good enough for a subscription game unless you are the type of person who is happy just to play house or spend months reclearing raids for gear you don't need.
@Incensement
@Incensement 2 ай бұрын
@@RokkitGrrl That's due to how the login servers work. They work in bulk so when you try to log in it shows you a queue but actually it's just waiting a while to log multiple people in at once.
@bathersbestie8986
@bathersbestie8986 2 ай бұрын
No fucking way people did all the content there is to do. There is no content draught, its just people didn't resonate with the content available. Now that ocean fishing is rewarded with mogtomes its full queues all day even 7am. Mark my words, people will revisit criterion dungeons once they get easier...
@Lydeck
@Lydeck 2 ай бұрын
​@@bathersbestie8986they'll revisit the newest one since it has shiny weapon skins, but neither of the other two have any reason to do them unless you're wanting to make gil to sell mounts. Which actually was very profitable for me during the Subterrane but I can't get my friends to want to do the newer ones lol. And Savage is too punishing relative to the nothingburger 2/3 provide in rewards.
@0Fyrebrand0
@0Fyrebrand0 3 ай бұрын
One thing that shouldn't be overlooked is, in addition to FFXVI, there were other behind-the-scenes strains on development resources like: finally integrating Duty Support for all MSQ dungeons (a much bigger task than they expected it to be), the graphics engine update, and the port to Xbox. The good news for Dawntrail is: FFXVI is out, Duty Support is completed, the Xbox port is live, and the graphics engine update will be finished upon the expansion's release. A lot of huge strains on CBU3's workload will be off their plate, and I think that's reason enough to look forward to what's to come.
@grygaming5519
@grygaming5519 2 ай бұрын
Dont forget all the support for Remote Work. That alone took tons of manhours to set a server system up to handle connections of CBU3's development team to remote in without issues.
@mosley3485
@mosley3485 2 ай бұрын
One thing that shouldn't be overlooked is that it was their choice to do all of this. You can't force your playerbase to endure 2 years of dead af content and expect to be absolved because "woopsy, we sunk too many resources on a completely different game and the duty support feature that most of the playerbase doesn't engage with at all". Endwalker was the result of many poor decisions.
@DawnAfternoon
@DawnAfternoon 2 ай бұрын
@@mosley3485 Some futureproofing needed to happen one day or another especially in a game over ten years old. I come from a game where the devs don't care about their early games at all. No new players were trying the game because of how incredibly messy and inpenetrable the first hours were. The old creative director head sincerely believes working on their early game is a waste of time and doesn't bring in new players. It only took until new creative director to step in until they finally start to unclog the clot in the early game and we actually experience an upsurge of new players.
@ThePunkers20
@ThePunkers20 2 ай бұрын
@@mosley3485if you want see the dead content then play SWTOR xD
@goldenarmorpikachu
@goldenarmorpikachu 2 ай бұрын
​@@mosley3485 It wasnt just their choice though. They HAVE to think about new players. if you cant get new players into a game, it will stagnate. You want a Game to GROW, not just stay at the level its at. New players are a core part of any game. And this game was over ten years old. it needed a revamp. And they have done a LOT to make the game easier on new players. And I would gladly give up something i like for a single xpac if it means this game can grow to completely new heights. Just because a change they made isnt for you, doesnt mean its not needed for the game in general. Now i will agree that some of the things they gave us this xpac arent the best. But to act like they dont care/didnt do anything is imo absolutely false. frankly, even though a lot of the things were mid, im glad they tried to give us new things. I WANT to see new things. Not always the same content xpac after xpac. And you know, sometimes those new things just wont be for me. and thats not a bad thing like some people act.
@SauceAppleEater_2885
@SauceAppleEater_2885 2 ай бұрын
Wow amazing editing done in this video. Well done guys!
@sweetpanic705
@sweetpanic705 3 ай бұрын
Been waiting sooo long for this that I had honestly given up hope!😅❤ what a wild intro too! S TIER!!!🎉🎉
@tetrahedron_in_space
@tetrahedron_in_space 3 ай бұрын
I think there are definitely things to criticize EW for that previous expansions handled better with story & systems, but I’m also very confident that 5-10 years from now, people who played EW will look back on it fondly for being an expansion that did a lot of boring busy work to update FFXIV into a “modern MMO” standard, and I believe a lot of the systems introduced here will pay off in the future as they are iterated upon. I think EW has been a great jumping-off point for Dawntrail to continue upping the ante for FFXIV - a fitting end to one story and the beginning of a new one.
@bosinclaire7670
@bosinclaire7670 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. I get the feeling it'll get the heavensward treatment.. You never hear in modern discourse how terrible a lot of the content was in heavensward from diadem 1.0 and 2.0 IIRC as well as alexander nearly killing the raid scene..
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 3 ай бұрын
considering how people treat heavensward now and are starting to talk about stormblood both of which were lambasted by the playerbase when it was current, endwalker is just getting the same treatment as every other expansion before it only reason no shadowbringers didn't get this was the mass influx of new players and the people that were dunking on it had to quickly change their tunes when the new players were being overwhelmingly positive about the current state of the game
@patyos2
@patyos2 3 ай бұрын
Endwalker made me buy more and more boxes of tissues. There was a big increase in tissue economy during Endwalker
@Galbergoth
@Galbergoth 3 ай бұрын
Beautifully done, Preach and crew. Thank you.
@mc2010925
@mc2010925 3 ай бұрын
I love this. GOOD JOB. Well Researched and informed. Looking forward to more FF videos!
@varileztradragonsong4603
@varileztradragonsong4603 3 ай бұрын
Eh, i absolutly loved endwalker and how it did things. But im also not one who looks for a forever game anymore. I get my fill and then move on, come back later when there is something new and go away again.
@Icycrits
@Icycrits 2 ай бұрын
I would do the same but the problem is that the way they designed their housing system, you're either stuck paying your sub permanently to keep it or you lose it and on some servers, getting a medium or large back is just not feasible. And when you're forced to pay a monthly sub for something, you try to find something to get value for your money. The problem with EW is that there is no repeatable, worthwhile content outside of raiding.
@nebula8851
@nebula8851 2 ай бұрын
@@Icycrits And this is why you're not supposed to have housing if you're a casual player. Apartments exist for this reason.
@varileztradragonsong4603
@varileztradragonsong4603 2 ай бұрын
@@Icycrits He? You have to resub like once every three months to keep your house you don't even need to think about it until you get the Email, which you get early enough to react. And as theother guy said, you can also just get an appartment. or a room in your FCs house. And frankly if you are playing with this cadence, the old content around is more than sufficient. Unless during those periods you play literally every day all day, you most certainly wont hae all the other relics and collectables
@velho6298
@velho6298 3 ай бұрын
banger of a video. great editing!
@norightturn7047
@norightturn7047 3 ай бұрын
That was a really great video. It looks like a lot of hard work went into it. That made my day. 😊
@Gameboy082017
@Gameboy082017 2 ай бұрын
Dude this video was 10 out of 10! The information, conveyance and OMG the effects with the intro and ending, so GOOD!
@hub1986
@hub1986 3 ай бұрын
Bravo this is one of the best immersive vid ever hot damn well done PG team
@kimaclaret
@kimaclaret 3 ай бұрын
Great video. You can tell there's a lot of effort put it, and it really pays off imo. 🎉 I think this arc was a near perfect gaming experience for me personally, and it's something I'll remember for the rest of my life. I never had the expectation that the patch content would meet that level of story telling, though I enjoyed it enough. I'm looking forward to how it comes into play later, for sure. I thoroughly enjoyed both raids and the variant dungeons, and I'm very much looking forward to how the latter progresses in DT. Island Sanctuary was a nice idea, and although mine is fully maxed out and self sustaining at this point, I don't feel like it hit the mark for me overall. I don't always agree with Mike, but I certainly agree with his EW sentiments overall. EW definitely stuck the landing.
@HMNNO
@HMNNO 2 ай бұрын
Really great production. Thanks for this. You choosing this way really cemented you moving forward
@Tonkotsu2k10
@Tonkotsu2k10 3 ай бұрын
Really great stuff. Thoughtful discussion on both sides. Thanks!
@danielj6897
@danielj6897 3 ай бұрын
That was awesome! I can tell you guys put a lot of work into it. The outtakes at the end were great xD
@Dsingis
@Dsingis 3 ай бұрын
13:00 Oh come on Preach, you knew what you were doing there.
@TheSteveSchulz
@TheSteveSchulz 3 ай бұрын
What, it's just the phallic part of his subconscious poking out.
@johnsnow1749
@johnsnow1749 3 ай бұрын
Even added the scrotum hair.
@DonaldTurner
@DonaldTurner 3 ай бұрын
WELL DONE PG! Thank you Mike and team ♥
@KingStratzah
@KingStratzah 3 ай бұрын
Sick intro. Man’s used a default text on the blender moon foot stamp text. Great vid❤
@MCG55SS
@MCG55SS 3 ай бұрын
As someone who start FFXIV in Nov of 2022 after playing WoW since 2005 I LOVED EW the story and everything is so amazing and having a story that is actual cohesive and building and not retconned every 2 expansions felt amazing. I know some veterans dislike parts of it but for me it is a great expansion and i cannot wait to venture into Dawntrail day 1.
@qamarqammar7629
@qamarqammar7629 3 ай бұрын
"Veteran" here. I also LOVED Endwalker! I'm a "story player" myself. They know how precious what they've created is, they value it, and it shows. Welcome to the game and enjoy your adventures.
@Demonis198666
@Demonis198666 3 ай бұрын
As a former WoW player, I really found myself getting sucked into ffxivs story...so damn good!
@deltawolf
@deltawolf 3 ай бұрын
Its like im reading my own experience when i read yours! Im however wondering what is commonly disliked by veterans you mean? I wasnt aware!
@playlist233
@playlist233 3 ай бұрын
Its so funny how the vocal content creators like Zepla seem to be the main reference on the opinions of Endwalker, as if its the majority opinion. EW is trash because it lacks a bozja zone? EW Post-MSQ is bad because its taking 5 patches instead of 3? I'm glad shes quit because her takes were getting so unhinged
@FF-tp7qs
@FF-tp7qs 3 ай бұрын
The funny thing about the lack of a Bozja zone is that people complained about Bozja back in Shadowbringers and wanted Deep Dungeon which we didn't get because of Bozja. So CBU3 made Eureka Orthos instead of a exploration zone​@@playlist233
@Geist1337
@Geist1337 3 ай бұрын
Endwalker was good (I wouldn't say 'great,' Shadowbringers is what great looks like) until the most recent 3 or 4 post-MSQ story patches. Then the writing fell off hard; and I hope it was just because they were trying to fill it out with what is basically an elongated intern-written trial series, while the real team worked on Dawntrail. It was the closest I ever came to wanting to skip dialogue just because of how poorly parts of it were written, the stupid decisions, the tell-don't-show they HEAVILY relied upon in the latest additions, and the literal coin-flip of Golbez from bad to good over the course of a 3 line conversation.
@Havic1137
@Havic1137 3 ай бұрын
For me it was the alliance raid. The final patch killed it for me with the writing.
@Catzsup
@Catzsup 3 ай бұрын
This was such a great review, thank you team Preach for all the hard work you put into this!!
@MrNekojusan
@MrNekojusan 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant review and presentation well conducted Chris and Mike :)
@hotarukin
@hotarukin 2 ай бұрын
I'm going to put myself out there and say: Relics being 'easy' to get is relative in a lot of ways. Something people seem to forget is that most of the relic questlines send you back to old content to gather things. Heavensward relics saw you doing nearly everything 50-59. So the new folks had people in their areas doing the thing. Bozja went in the opposite direction. There are bits and pieces that send you back to old content, but for the most part... it's a new area that no one goes to anymore, making Bozjan relics a real pain to work on for a new player. Enter 'gather 6k tomes'. Which you get from doing old content. Any old content. Every new player has people to play with for as long as we're hunting those relics. And when 7.0 comes out, we're going to have other things we want to spend those tomes on. But the weapons will still be there. Easily attainable for new players, just by clicking to do old content that's new to them, joining new players yet to experience all the story that they've seen. It's honestly *really* effective, and a great design choice looking towards the future.
@mana-azir6808
@mana-azir6808 2 ай бұрын
considering how i still see people loathing having to grind for the bozja relic still with its one time steps and drop rates that are better outside of the content zone (blu fates in hw zones etc etc), i agree with you
@ValbrandrLeonhardt
@ValbrandrLeonhardt 2 ай бұрын
​@@mana-azir6808I'm glad I was never much of a hardcore player to want to get relics. Only relic I have is the HW? paladin one I think, the one that has blue flames on the sword and shield. Only did it for fashion, it's simple yet effective.
@mana-azir6808
@mana-azir6808 2 ай бұрын
@@ValbrandrLeonhardt did you get it back when HW was current or like later on?
@Kiobao
@Kiobao 2 ай бұрын
pretty much how I feel. People complain about how easy the relics are to obtain, but I personally like this approach. At the very least, they could do this AFTER we do some lengthy grind for our first relic and then make it sort of this easy for alts jobs. This video sort of lays out as relics being easy is what feels like it is making the game worse, but what really is going on is a preference and just a lack of reason to grind the other content. They did a lot of features and added new things that are rather niche and short form content, not amazing for a Sub Based MMO, so people weren't so happy with it all.
@Teo_stra
@Teo_stra 2 ай бұрын
They're not relic weapon's, they're just glorified tome weapons
@ObscenumLoL
@ObscenumLoL 3 ай бұрын
Holy f*ck... Just the intro, when the music rolls in, gave me the chills. I freaking loved the whole journey it was and, even before watching the video, thanks for making a part of it not just for me but to soo many players out there.
@Mortimer13
@Mortimer13 3 ай бұрын
wow that was a really great video, thank you PG
@SoulTheWhiteAngel
@SoulTheWhiteAngel 3 ай бұрын
What an amazing video! Great job!
@lotus_rouge
@lotus_rouge 3 ай бұрын
Can always count on Preach to put a lot of effort into the hows and whys and sprinkle in his own personal opinion, rather than simply regurgitating the same tired old lines everyone's throwing around ad nauseam without elaborating. Great video.
@TheMexRAGE
@TheMexRAGE 3 ай бұрын
preach forgor the biggest game changer new feauture on endwalker... adventure plate/portrait
@kimaclaret
@kimaclaret 3 ай бұрын
Oh shit, you're right!
@bighatastrea
@bighatastrea Ай бұрын
I'm dreaming of the day when they'll finally remove that stupid thing where the portrait resets as soon as you dare to equip different shoes
@Crashh965
@Crashh965 3 ай бұрын
such a polished video. great work over there!
@karinab2255
@karinab2255 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video and great review! Well done 👍🏻
@rashash9954
@rashash9954 3 ай бұрын
I F LOVE IT, I was hooked from second 1 the intro is world class and the content is to die for :D
@CeresAzalia
@CeresAzalia 3 ай бұрын
First can I just say: absolutely incredible editing, graphics, and production values. This video in and of itself is so well-made, and it deserves to be talked about on its own merit. The opening and end sequence tie-ins to the Endwalker trailers was stunning. The bit with the Mothercrystal was excellent, as well. S tier work, fellas. As for the topic at hand, I can only say that I have nothing to say because I 100% totally and unequivocally agree with ALL of your takes. You might as well have taken all of my thoughts, feelings, and overall opinions on the entire expansion straight out of my head. So I can't comment except to say that I agree with you all across the board. Not every piece of new content introduced was a smash hit, but I'm glad they took some risks and tried some new things, and I'm hopeful they will perfect these types of content in the future if they continue to listen to feedback, which they typically do. And while change is scary, so is the thought of having things go stale and become too predictable, so this shake up... trying all the new pieces of content. Things like criterion and such...I'm quite glad they did it in the end.
@Akai.Sora.
@Akai.Sora. 2 ай бұрын
Amazing video with amazing intro and ending. Thank you.
@inaraadrastea4
@inaraadrastea4 2 ай бұрын
This is so good! Thanks for all your work Preach!
@meriwidget3474
@meriwidget3474 3 ай бұрын
Such a good video! You really covered the points. There is plenty of room for improvement, but they did take risks, and that is commendable! There's room for the game to keep growing and I hope they can do so. I'm looking forward to Dawntrail and whatever it brings :)
@LuisPerez-129
@LuisPerez-129 3 ай бұрын
Lol the intro goes so hard, extremely well done editing.
@bradveach4832
@bradveach4832 3 ай бұрын
Very well done. So glad you got your studies back
@DigifoxAdventures
@DigifoxAdventures 2 ай бұрын
Preach im so happy you are having fun again, i have been fallowing you for many years for wow and watching you get more and more frustrated. Seeing you happy and having fun again has been amazing for me.
@Moriahari
@Moriahari 3 ай бұрын
The team just gets better and better with every project. Absolutely amazing production from start to finish! And I really appreciate the discussion and perspective given in this video. You guys are one of the few creators whose opinion I trust currently, and for good reason.
@siyrean
@siyrean 3 ай бұрын
it's a shame the Alliance Raids are so under tuned that you have to be a streamer doing minimum item level just to see Nald'thals scales and many other of the bosses full mechanics.
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 3 ай бұрын
and what is wrong with that I hate being stuck in raid for 40mins Im there for the rewards not to see the mechanics the faster they end the better
@siyrean
@siyrean 3 ай бұрын
@@cyanmage1 people who enjoy raids for the raids and not the rewards oO
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 2 ай бұрын
@@siyreanso the same people that love Criterion dungeons since those are popular with the no rewards ...... said no one ever
@siyrean
@siyrean 2 ай бұрын
@@cyanmage1 they fixed the crystal tower gear loop hole due to community feedback. explain
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 2 ай бұрын
@siyrean explain what exactly that loophole further backs my claim that players want rewards not mechanics in 24 man's they went so far as to no equip gear to avoid any but the fastest 2 raids just to get through them which was an issue for new players trying to get through the stormblood ones since bozja was locked behind that so really the only reason that was "fixed" was because it was unintentionally gating another piece of major content
@NotTheWheel
@NotTheWheel 2 ай бұрын
Good video man - I think from what content is set up for DT that they are still listening to us.
@darthdarth4338
@darthdarth4338 3 ай бұрын
The production for this was top tier Preach! You are my #1 favorite content creator because you genuinly give a crap about what you do and the information you put forth. A genuine gamer who loves the games he plays and loves his community! Keep up the awesome work! -Southwest part of the USA
@Addi-Tube
@Addi-Tube 3 ай бұрын
You guys put so much love and effort into this video and it shows
@Gonarc15468879855
@Gonarc15468879855 2 ай бұрын
Everyone keeps ignoring the main issue I have with field operations like Eureka or Bozja. When you're arriving late to that content by an order of a few years - it is a lonely god damn ghost town. Those places are pure misery for new players and I did not enjoy grinding Eureka with like 5 people on the whole map or Bozja with maybe 8 people in the entirety of Zadnor. And don't get me started on how joining for Baldesion Archive or Delubrum Reginae Savage requires you to go get a group through specific discords. The content might be great for when it's fresh and new, but for people arriving late is pure dread. I'd like maybe something a little more interresting than what we got for relics this time around, but I'm for sure glad theres not a third god damn instanced zone a new player will have to slog through at some point in time.
@ridleyroid9060
@ridleyroid9060 2 ай бұрын
Huh, I thought Bozja was still active, but yes, I agree with you. After the expansion is over and new stuff comes out community focused content like Bozja gets somewhat left behind. I guess if you really want to get ti done it would be best to do it at DT launch, because people will want to level PCT and VPR to 90 as some people want to go through MSQ and Bozja is awesome for 80 - 90 as well, since no dungeon ques. But I guess at that point you'll want to actually do DT. Hey, I guess it is more reason for you to want a Bozja/Eureka next expac, so you can be there when it is fresh.
@tyrokyu
@tyrokyu 2 ай бұрын
Preach, as always, your videos are very clear and well-made. You're amazing. I'm glad to see someone so talented explaining to everyone in a detailed manner the issues with the Endwalker Expansion. You don't sound angry. You don't sound frustrated. You put your opinions in a cohesive manner, unlike most of the community. Cheers to you and your family!
@MullerMan666
@MullerMan666 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Great job guys
@solangesimondsen
@solangesimondsen 3 ай бұрын
LOVED this piece of content, Preach! Fun to watch and spot on analysis.
@Igarcia86
@Igarcia86 2 ай бұрын
I gotta admit, i'm new to your content Preach, You just never really came up on my radar, but my GOD, this video was incredible. So detaled, so deep, and just yeah. I love the breakdown and I'll certainly share this with my FC and friends!
@FieryKanata
@FieryKanata 3 ай бұрын
High quality video, Preach!!
@Tloc222
@Tloc222 2 ай бұрын
Amazing video, really nailed all of the important points while being fair. Let's hope for the best
@TheWickedMessenger3
@TheWickedMessenger3 2 ай бұрын
My issue is value. The game, once you are caught up and playing it patch to patch, just does not offer enough of the content I enjoy for me to pay 15 a month for it.
@SirMoribund
@SirMoribund 3 ай бұрын
I personally love it. Best story telling of all the games I've played. I also enjoyed the post patch story and look forward to Zero's return. There are so many good games to play recently that I am thankful for the chance to take a break and play them. Didn't even end my sub. See you all in Dawntrail!
@denises753
@denises753 2 ай бұрын
A balanced take on the Endwalker expansion overall, though I personally disagreed with Endwalker's MSQ being all that great. The Scions returning after "sacrificing themselves" made their sacrifice feel meaningless, and having them travel to the far edge of the universe to defeat despair incarnate without suffering any real losses themselves, in a story that is centered around loss and forging ahead, felt like peak irony. I don't think death necessarily makes a story better, and I think the story is nice for how it wrapped up the Ancients-current time saga, but when the main characters remain ever-protected by a thick layer of plot armor, it makes the world feel more benign than the writers try to portray it as. As for the Post-EW content, I think the FF4 references were nice, though the storyline still felt like "the friendship gang defeats evil/depression with kindness". Ultimately, I think Endwalker feels like it's trying to make mature points while being too immature to commit to them. For that reason, I wish some of the main characters would have given themselves up for good, to really hammer in the MSQ's lessons.
@kirafg
@kirafg 3 ай бұрын
What a video. Thank you for the content Mike and team see you in Dawntrail o7
@tinybee7780
@tinybee7780 3 ай бұрын
I will forever be grateful for this expansion to have been released at the perfect time. No doubt when this was released everybody in the world in one way or another was dealing with hardship in one form or another, and the pandemic certainly did not help. Endwalker most definitely exceeded my expectations with how the FFXIV team wanted to end the Hydaelyn and Zodiark Saga. I'm glad that they managed to stick the landing. To quote of my favorite NPCs in this expansion, "It's been a gripping tale. Unbreakable bonds and noble sacrifice, sprinkled with moments of levity to counterbalance the pathos."
@andysaelind401
@andysaelind401 2 ай бұрын
I'd like to add a point regarding the trial series. I don't believe it's not only because people weren't doing them. I think that because the Four Fiends and Golbez are so iconic within the FF community, that there was an expectation that they should have been trials and given their flair. Since they were tied to the MSQ, that's what they decided to go with. It's always important to remember that FFXIV also works on the basis of the expectations that it IS a Final Fantasy theme park before being an MMO
@Seawalkerlive
@Seawalkerlive 2 ай бұрын
I've been a vigilant fan for a long time, and I can't help but feel nostalgia when looking back at your "History of the Rogue, Paladin, etc.". You've seemed to keep that same energy of how much love and thought you put into your videos. But this time around, you've got a backpack full of experience to give a real treat of a presentation.
@adriantatar3255
@adriantatar3255 3 ай бұрын
Great vid, as always!
@FuyuYuki92
@FuyuYuki92 3 ай бұрын
This was a really enjoyable review! And I agree with you, the post MSQ storyline has to be a setup for something that comes later. I myself found the (current) conclusion of this ark refreshing, since Zero and Golbez are the ones fighting for *their* world, it's not us intervening... for now. I belong to the camp of people who missed the relic grind a lot - but more than just the relic grind, it was the open field and grindy aspect oft it. I'm curious to see what comes in dawntrail.
@deucewildegaming
@deucewildegaming 2 ай бұрын
The issue is the Post Shadowbringers MSQ was a slight lull in the action but still had us all on the edge of our seats because Endwalker was a direct continuation of that story. Shadowbringers hit so hard and was so much better than what we were used to in a game that it had use stunned and on the ropes. After Endwalker MSQ was completed, it felt like a big sigh. The story was over. We hit a reasonable and well-done conclusion to everything. The Meteion thing was kinda telegraphed but the early Zodiark kill and some of the other elements still very surprising and emotional. Just like the Lead-up to Stormblood was slow and kind of a yawn-fest I was expecting the same from Endwalker post MSQ. I think that the MSQ in Dawntrail can redeem it or make it feel better, but we won't have that perspective until we play Dawntrail. I agree with your thoughts on the relic "grind" the reality is you can never win. People who want shiny items complain it's too hard, and people complain it's too easy when you make it more accessible. Yoshi-P has always said he wants you to enjoy FFXIV but doesn't see a need for you to invest all your free time into one game. That doesn't resonate with a certain section of the gaming audience, but we should accept that any development is going to be done with those lenses. Finally, thank you for doing it justice in your retrospection. I think it's hard to be everything to everyone, but they do a fairly good job adding a lot of content to try to appeal to many folks. I'm glad to see that you can say you still enjoy the game for what it is, because we have enough whiny voices complaining about what it isn't.
@NPDStudio
@NPDStudio 20 күн бұрын
Really like the "Not enough content" chapter. Very well done, well explained, fun & mystical. Solid work 👍
@user-mh4tx8zl4s
@user-mh4tx8zl4s 3 ай бұрын
Good rundown Preach. I too am hopeful for what Dawntrail will bring us.
@DameonStarflame
@DameonStarflame 3 ай бұрын
Seeing such an optimistic take from Preach is a heartwarming thing. Looking forward to DT with everyone.
@Battler624
@Battler624 2 ай бұрын
The relic issue could've easily been fixed if they made each role require a grind but the rest of the jobs in that role dont require the grind. For example you play as a warrior but want the relic on both drk and war? just finish the warrior grind (get the items required from fates/dungeons/quests/whatever) and then the items you require will be available for purchase on other tank jobs for just tomestones
@Rogsnutle
@Rogsnutle 2 ай бұрын
I actually really like this idea. Make the 1st relic a chore, then just tome the rest. I highly doubt I will ever get any of the previous Relics aside from Paladin's. Shadowbringers may be the only relics I get all of.
@WalkerRileyMC
@WalkerRileyMC 2 ай бұрын
Basically what they did with job quests....got rid of them and rolled them into role quests. Which I'm sad about since I've not seen my boy X'rhun for awhile.
@whiskeyjack02
@whiskeyjack02 3 ай бұрын
Production is getting better and better!
@Judiacator
@Judiacator 2 ай бұрын
I LOVE this level of editing. I am sure it takes a ton of work, but man - does it make watching the video so much more entertaining. Great analysis. Your comment about "untenable" for long grind weapons boils down to the premise: should it be reasonable that one person - can - do everything, or should people be constrained by choice imposed by time. I for one, think there is value in needing to make a choice, even if it gives completionists heartburn...
@lindthechaoticheretic8708
@lindthechaoticheretic8708 2 ай бұрын
"It was good, and then it wasn't." That basically sums up my entire expirience with all parts of endwalker.
@GUkraine
@GUkraine 2 ай бұрын
I thought you were talking about preaches hairline for a sec.
@lindthechaoticheretic8708
@lindthechaoticheretic8708 2 ай бұрын
@@GUkraine Savage
@anteprs7908
@anteprs7908 2 ай бұрын
"It was good for casual snd raiders but the midcore didnt get bozja and started cry "their i fixed it for you .
@m16dude967
@m16dude967 2 ай бұрын
the story in endwalker was really good but there wasn't much to do outside raiding.
@anteprs7908
@anteprs7908 2 ай бұрын
@@m16dude967 well you had island then crit ,vari deep dungs...
@cablefeed3738
@cablefeed3738 2 ай бұрын
Yep, Endwalker truly is better than Shadowbringers.
@Eibon
@Eibon 3 ай бұрын
Great video! Really appreciate the nuanced takes. I think it's really important to stress that a lot of Endwalker's design did not benefit people who were looking to play it every single day, whether that be because they really wanted to or it was their job, and that is obviously a detriment to those players...but not to every one. It certainly didn't bother me, and I adore the game. I also think it's really interesting to recognize the way they handled the trial series - integrating the fights into the MSQ - isn't actually new! This isn't a departure, but a return, as 2.X had the new trials integrated into the story for added narrative weight. It has pros and cons, and I'm on the fence about whether I want it to happen in 7.X. But it wasn't some weird departure, it was just returning to something they did before, and it clearly didn't stick the landing given it's somewhat divisive.
@CerithMaximum
@CerithMaximum 3 ай бұрын
Love to see the production value now brotha
@poatrykdas
@poatrykdas 2 ай бұрын
endwalker is my fav expansion just because of the story. even shadowbringers doesnt come close to it for me
@JP11999
@JP11999 3 ай бұрын
Not having a bozja endgame grind element in the game completely killed my willingness to keep playing. I need a long term project in 14 if I'm gonna keep playing. I'll be back for dawntrail for the new one and the story of course, however if there's no long term goals the game gives me then dawntrail will be my last expansion
@katy9291
@katy9291 3 ай бұрын
They mentioned they would bring back something like Bozja, they are listening to feedback 😊
@JP11999
@JP11999 3 ай бұрын
@@katy9291 yeah I know I look forward to seeing how it operates. Hopefully they don't neuter it for the sake of "letting people play other games" like they did with the current relic weapons. It's a joke
@Kanyusi1234
@Kanyusi1234 3 ай бұрын
The animations in this video are so good!
@ovan1148
@ovan1148 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic video!
@TheSteveSchulz
@TheSteveSchulz 3 ай бұрын
"Boring." Honestly, farming Bozja relics is more boring than farming tomestones. Skirmishes are fucking boring, except maybe half a dozen of them that only show up once every now and then. The rest are on the level of FATEs. And the critical engagements are just worse alliance raids than all of them except maybe CT and (IMO, though most disagree with me) two of the three YoRHa raids (oooo, slow bullet time, oooooooo, so exciting /s). The thing with tomes is variety... more than you get from either Bozja or Eureka. You can even do PvP to farm tomes if you really want to. The people complaining are just under the illusion that tomes offer less, and that Bozja content was some sort of monumental addition, when the story wasn't all that large, skirmishes are moooostly glorified FATEs, and critical engagements are watered down alliance raids. The only thing that really felt missing was Delubrum, which is fantastic. But it's so hard to get a group for that organically even at peak hours on Aether. You have to LFG of Discord. The story element of Bozja was basically shifted to IS and variant dungeons. Are they as good as Bozja's story? Absolutely not, but I did like IS's and variant stories have potential with refinement in the future. I think the only valid complaint content-wise is that patches came slower and it's a very long time between 6.5 and 7.0. But I kinda get it with the focus adding duty support and on graphical overhauls that CBU3 has been working on.
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!! this is what I have been shouting for so long this relic grind is really the same as its always been just not tied to a certain piece of content there was always tomes grinds to be had or dungeon grinds why do people get so hung up on the lack of hiding what it really is this time, I would rather farm whatever content I want then do 200 As1 runs for light or 160 Garuda ex's
@lushdontu4015
@lushdontu4015 2 ай бұрын
This is such a lie. I have literally met so many people in bozja which makes things more fun.
@TheSteveSchulz
@TheSteveSchulz 2 ай бұрын
@@lushdontu4015 When I tried to do Delubrum for the first time (DURING the tail end of Shadowbringers), I had to queue 5 times to get more than a couple people. Eventually I queued into a group of 4 and we decided to give it a go. One of our party members died just a couple mechanics into every fight, so it was really just 3 of us. If the remaining 3 of us weren't doing the mechanics well enough, it would not have been successful. I queued during peak hours on JENOVA, which is quite populated. When I started farming relics, it was common for like 12-15 people organically doing CLL and only after a lot of them showed up because I or someone told them it's up, after only a handful of us would be out farming the, again, FATEs. And, yeah, my opinion is somehow a "lie," but I'm not surprised you're throwing that out there about an OPINION given your shitty attitude towards other people in the comments, lol.
@cyanmage1
@cyanmage1 2 ай бұрын
@@lushdontu4015 how is having a different experience then a lie
@lushdontu4015
@lushdontu4015 2 ай бұрын
@@cyanmage1 quening for the same dungeons over and over again is worse and such a lazy design. They then made a horrible excuse to cover up their lazy coding
@clumsyturtle8544
@clumsyturtle8544 2 ай бұрын
Ask any FF14 player who has been around since ARR and they will tell you hell no, endwalker was not a failure, heavensward was.
@mosley3485
@mosley3485 2 ай бұрын
"It isn't as bad as Heavensward" doesn't make an expansion good, lmao.
@clumsyturtle8544
@clumsyturtle8544 2 ай бұрын
@@mosley3485 Heavensward almost killed the raiding scene. Endwalker had nothing close to that, it was a good expansion.
@mosley3485
@mosley3485 2 ай бұрын
@@clumsyturtle8544 Endwalker killed a lot of interest in the game across the board. It was just an incredibly boring, mid expansion that was severely lacking in content for the average player.
@cattysplat
@cattysplat 2 ай бұрын
Heavensward was hardcore beyond belief in all aspects but for those who liked old school MMOs it was a enjoyably masochistic experience.
@ridleyroid9060
@ridleyroid9060 2 ай бұрын
I've admittedly been playing StB so I don't know if I can relate, but Endwalker is the worst out of the expansions I was there for 1st hand. QOL it is probl'y the best, I am so glad for all of the QOL changes, but seeing how so many people just got bored (bored, not burnt, bored) of the game and seeing interest drop off a cliff and for people to devolve into shitty drama to have any buzz around it was heartrendering.
@jewwelee
@jewwelee 2 ай бұрын
I think you put this all really well. I am excited for Dawn Trail and loved End Walker but I can understand why some people feel the post content is a bit slow.
@komeeetta97
@komeeetta97 3 ай бұрын
the production value in this video is amazing but my favourite visual effect is still the...suggestively shaped 2-minute graph on the whiteboard
@brixidarc5427
@brixidarc5427 3 ай бұрын
Nicely done!
@Zzues
@Zzues 3 ай бұрын
Great video, so hyped for Dawntrail and to see where our story goes! I came back to FFXIV when Shadowbringers launched and holy crap, best stories ever told. I have never gotten emotional as many times as I did during these stories. Stories that literally made me stop and think about emotional moments in my life. Very few stories have done that to me, Gladiator comes to mind, Lord of the Rings, and a few others. I had trouble getting "through" the initial stories, but once I thought to myself why am I rushing and not enjoying? Then it became so much more fun.
@saintjayme
@saintjayme 2 ай бұрын
This is one of the best reviews I have seen. Thank you. I have no problem with people not liking the game or content but at least give it a try before judging it. I hear so many people dump on content they have not even tried and treat their feelings as facts. I say this is a gold standard of reviews. Well thought out and really fair. You made me rethink somethings with your facts and good pints.
@TrillCozby
@TrillCozby 3 ай бұрын
What a banger of a video. Preach is a gem.
@TheSteveSchulz
@TheSteveSchulz 3 ай бұрын
I made a long post seemingly critical, but want to maker it crystal clear I really appreciate your fair take on the xpac. It felt like most streamers have knee-jerked their takes, whereas you (and your team) took the time to really analyze things!
@VideogamesPang
@VideogamesPang 2 ай бұрын
I think some of the other issues with the 2 minute window (besides dictating raid planning) are: - It means all jobs have the same basic gameplan: stock resources/sync cooldowns to line up with 2 minutes. That makes jobs feel more similar and like there is less gameplay variety across the game as a whole. Paladin had to have a rework mid-expansion because it had a more sustained DPS playstyle that didn't play well into burst windows, so they changed it to be another sync-and-burst job like all the others, actively reducing job variety. - It HEAVILY punishes falling out of sync with your raid. The idea of the 2 minute window was so players don't have to worry about having bad synergy, but now since all jobs synergize by default, they are balanced around that synergy, meaning if you fail to sync your rotation with your raid (which can happen quite easily), you are losing HUGE damage. Particularly because jobs have also been designed so that all their biggest attacks also fall inside these buff windows.
@Avess94
@Avess94 3 ай бұрын
The editing is very crisp, props to chris!
@TajinQ
@TajinQ 2 ай бұрын
I wasn't a fan of the last zone of the Endwalker MSQ. It had some very good moments but right after that section with Estinien, it became obvious how the story in that zone would unfold. It was obvious as well that none of the sacrifices actually mattered, so the story lost a lot of weight. Also felt like they didn't know what to do with Zenos so they jammed him in at the very end. There's so many great moments during EW's msq, even more than in Shadowbringer, but it was more inconsistent.
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