Was Hannibal A Hero?

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Lindybeige

Lindybeige

9 күн бұрын

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Hannibal was a great general, but did he have what it takes to be a hero? Should we wish that ancient Carthage had beaten the might of Rome?
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@lindybeige
@lindybeige 7 күн бұрын
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@stollstoll1691
@stollstoll1691 7 күн бұрын
Sir yes sir
@numbers8908
@numbers8908 7 күн бұрын
Sir yes sir
@johndorilag4129
@johndorilag4129 7 күн бұрын
Hannibal is overrated
@annunakim525
@annunakim525 7 күн бұрын
more roman stuff pls sir
@Cba409
@Cba409 7 күн бұрын
If Hannibal cant take on Russia then Ukraine is truly doomed. I hope you all got the hint.
@Grunttamer
@Grunttamer 7 күн бұрын
I bet someone could make a graphic novel about this
@richardcranium5329
@richardcranium5329 7 күн бұрын
It’s been made lol
@MrHazz111
@MrHazz111 7 күн бұрын
And release it this century
@tomhirons7475
@tomhirons7475 7 күн бұрын
@@richardcranium5329 when is it due out ??
@Quicksilver_Cookie
@Quicksilver_Cookie 7 күн бұрын
@@tomhirons7475 Due? Like a few years ago, give or take.
@bogdanovist
@bogdanovist 7 күн бұрын
Bet they could try at least...
@maximillianhovar5877
@maximillianhovar5877 7 күн бұрын
We got an hour long lindybeige history video. We are so back
@olleolausson
@olleolausson 3 күн бұрын
Are you a drainer?
@ramixnudles7958
@ramixnudles7958 Күн бұрын
​@@olleolaussonI've got a 30' snake...
@olleolausson
@olleolausson Күн бұрын
@@ramixnudles7958 Almost everyone I meet says that you are a pathological liar so I don't think so.
@ramixnudles7958
@ramixnudles7958 14 сағат бұрын
@@olleolausson I'll nevertheless fix your drain. I will charge extra, and I will wear my extra-large plumber's jeans.
@Buggsy1061
@Buggsy1061 7 күн бұрын
So basically, Hannibal was human? Flawd but brilliant, intelligent but violent, a soldiers general and his enemies worst nightmare. A hero to some and a villan to others... Just like every "hero" from antiquity?
@uncletiggermclaren7592
@uncletiggermclaren7592 5 күн бұрын
You forgot to exclude King Arthur from that, but that was merely because you understood everyone would know you meant to. Right ?.
@Buggsy1061
@Buggsy1061 5 күн бұрын
@@uncletiggermclaren7592 well apart from the tact that Arthur was al legend, and no one knows if the real man even existed, no o didn't forget to exclude him Arthur. He too was, if he ever took breath, human. And as such was flawed.
@uncletiggermclaren7592
@uncletiggermclaren7592 5 күн бұрын
@@Buggsy1061 Ha , that sort of logic is fine for lessor men like Charlemagne and Washington, but you know perfectly well that you can't include Arthur in that group.
@sidtheslothwhy8706
@sidtheslothwhy8706 4 күн бұрын
​@uncletiggermclaren7592 Keep our first president out yo mouff. George was the first man to rule the best country on earth. Keep your Hannibals and Arthur's we don't need them because we had G'd up Washington.
@uncletiggermclaren7592
@uncletiggermclaren7592 4 күн бұрын
@@sidtheslothwhy8706 Well, enough people spoke well of the man at the time, even nominal "enemies" called him a Gentleman and the soul of Probity. I will grant you he was a Good man. But he was no King Arthur.
@stigfries
@stigfries 7 күн бұрын
Now this is the kind of content I absolutely want to watch.
@VilleKivinen
@VilleKivinen 7 күн бұрын
It would even be a great idea for a graphic novel.
@JohnM-cd4ou
@JohnM-cd4ou 7 күн бұрын
Yes, it feels like eons since he's done content like this
@davesmith7432
@davesmith7432 7 күн бұрын
You’re right! This is what YT is supposed to be
@jaymz6473
@jaymz6473 7 күн бұрын
I've skipped most of Lloyd's recent content if I'm honest. This is why I'm here.
@VilleKivinen
@VilleKivinen 7 күн бұрын
@@jaymz6473 I've watched all his stuff ever since he made points about slings and Greek helmets, except for the Q&A videos. I'd certainly like to see more of these hour long lectures from him.
@cameronw6541
@cameronw6541 7 күн бұрын
Finally some of his good old fashioned content!!!
@cr-pol
@cr-pol 3 күн бұрын
it has also been a while since we have seen a Lindy dance on this channel.
@leonardoaguilar7343
@leonardoaguilar7343 7 күн бұрын
Poor Hannibal, he was just trying to destroy Rome is all.
@vacuousbard6410
@vacuousbard6410 7 күн бұрын
Yeah. Those damn Romans sure hated fun, didn't they?
@lynneframe3390
@lynneframe3390 6 күн бұрын
Victim then?
@joundii3100
@joundii3100 6 күн бұрын
That's exactly what makes him a hero.
@SuperFranzs
@SuperFranzs 6 күн бұрын
Good riddance! What have the Romans ever done for us?
@ASlickNamedPimpback
@ASlickNamedPimpback 5 күн бұрын
@@SuperFranzs the aqueducts?
@singami465
@singami465 7 күн бұрын
while i do think some of his decisions were quite Graphic, you cant underestimate his Novel tactics
@georgebaggy
@georgebaggy 5 күн бұрын
Your words are quite illustrating
@Dexroid
@Dexroid 5 күн бұрын
The way you describe it, I can almost see it with my mind eye. It's comical how clear you make it.
@Zakalwe-01
@Zakalwe-01 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for drawing my attention to this. I was wondering why my wallet felt so light while watching this video.
@SephonDK
@SephonDK 7 күн бұрын
He's a hero in the old Greek sense. His story and the drama around him are awe-striking. With the many years past what he did, it's one of those things where you can sit and read about the guy and get pulled in. And him being a complicated or dangerous man doesn't matter in the older sense. Heracles was completely terrifying in the og mythology.
@leonardomarquesbellini
@leonardomarquesbellini 6 күн бұрын
Heroes are fun because they're as good as fiction to us. Actually having yoir own real life caught up in the actions of people who go down in history probably feels a whole lot worse.
@doomdrake123
@doomdrake123 6 күн бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
I deeply agree.
@svon1
@svon1 Күн бұрын
yeah in a Greek sense it makes sense but modern view, ah hell no, the wars he started for revenge are just nuts, and its not like "they killed my family" revenge, its petty "they gave us a harsh treaty" revenge after we had a war with them
@markmorris7123
@markmorris7123 Күн бұрын
​@@svon1errr, petty?? Rome practically went to war and conquered the whole known world.. Hannibal had to go to war with Rome.. For eventually Rome would have brought the war themselves..Rome was a pure military state.
@clonemarine1
@clonemarine1 7 күн бұрын
Stating the obvious here, but 5% of the population means that one in twenty Roman citizens died at Cannae. Statistically, if you were a Roman citizen, if you hadn't been one of those who died, you probably personally knew at least 3 or 4 people who died at that battle. That's gonna mess you up mentally.
@leonardomarquesbellini
@leonardomarquesbellini 6 күн бұрын
Specially when you consider who's actually fighting. It's not a lottery that selects people at random, it's mostly people from a specific demographic that go die in wars, so for survivors from that particular demograaphy the relative impact is even greater. It's known Tolkien and Lewis were both WW1 survivors and (not so coincidentally) went on to become authors of great renown in Fantasy. But they weren't the only young people who, before the war, were interested in that genre and were in fact accompanied by many other prospective writers from the British universities' circles, most of which died there and never got the chance to write and find huge success like those 2 did. Similarly it's a macabre anecdote that the university of Istanbul took quite a few years to graduate its first medical doctor after the war even though students were allowed to resume studies where they had stopped, simply because almost every last student who had been enrolled in the medicine course when the war broke out died there ir were otherwise unable to resume studies, so the university needed to start everything from scratch again.
@lollerkeet
@lollerkeet 6 күн бұрын
It's not just Rome though - there were Latin allies also fighting. Going by the population of the city-state, rather than the greater confederacy, is a bit misleading.
@Leo-ok3uj
@Leo-ok3uj 4 күн бұрын
That 5% being estimated as 20% of the adult male population
@khankhomrad8855
@khankhomrad8855 4 күн бұрын
Terrible, isn't it? It wasn't only Rome who blead, but also its allies. Lole Lindy showed, Rome and its allies had an incredibly deep manpower reserve and the willingness to keep going no matter the costs.
@cr-pol
@cr-pol 3 күн бұрын
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@ragingassassin6659
@ragingassassin6659 7 күн бұрын
I suppose my "search of Hannibal" content has finally come to an end... for now
@smoothcast6940
@smoothcast6940 2 күн бұрын
I swear that's exactly what I thought
@jamememes4114
@jamememes4114 7 күн бұрын
3:24 "You've got to pay your mercenaries, everyone" best advice I've heard today 🤣
@neilwu3912
@neilwu3912 Күн бұрын
Russia: hold my vodka, where are my exploitable minorities?
@JohnM-cd4ou
@JohnM-cd4ou 7 күн бұрын
FINALLY Lloyd again uploads an hour of historical spergery that we all know and love him for
@brenttrotter88
@brenttrotter88 7 күн бұрын
These are his best videos. Nothing better than an hour long rambling on a subject.
@shurdi3
@shurdi3 6 күн бұрын
I knew him for 7-10 minute long videos about "A point about" and weird rants about children smoking and saying no to a dance.
@danithefoot633
@danithefoot633 7 күн бұрын
Finally a long form Lloyd
@craigrobbins2463
@craigrobbins2463 7 күн бұрын
He is a rather clever man though. His short form is very compelling too.
@Alfenium
@Alfenium 6 күн бұрын
George Lloyd
@johnknox6023
@johnknox6023 6 күн бұрын
@@Alfenium what did you mean by this...
@niono1587
@niono1587 6 күн бұрын
I love me long form Lloyd
@The_Gallowglass
@The_Gallowglass 5 күн бұрын
Finally a long from Lloyd? That's what she said?
@tehpanda64
@tehpanda64 7 күн бұрын
As someone who measures heroes purely on their ability to march elephants over the alps: I'd say he's up there with the best of them.
@Gilgwathir
@Gilgwathir 7 күн бұрын
"Written by an actual human" I can't believe that this has become a necessary qualifier 😭
@technoman9000
@technoman9000 5 күн бұрын
Verbs are dead
@FringeSpectre
@FringeSpectre 5 күн бұрын
Welcome to the Information Apocalypse. In a very short time, you won't be able to trust ANYTHING you see in the media, or online in general. Unless you see it in real life, you simply won't be able to trust it. Pandora's Box has been opened, and there's no shutting it.
@max-zv7sf
@max-zv7sf 21 сағат бұрын
We are in the future, but it turns out that the future is awful.
@Chicanery_Artifice
@Chicanery_Artifice 16 сағат бұрын
@@technoman9000 what?
@fransmars1645
@fransmars1645 9 сағат бұрын
How do we know your comment was written by a human? Or this one?
@Robert399
@Robert399 7 күн бұрын
50:48 This is something that really bothers me in movies and *especially* video games. In action movies/most games we often have the attitude that only important characters count as real people. I especially hate when games have you kill an army's worth of soldiers/security guards/"thugs" for token gameplay then present you a "moral" choice about what to do with the boss who's actually responsible. Can you imagine if your boss was secretly a child trafficker or something and some action man kicked down the door, shot you and all your coworkers, cornered your boss, then had the gall to say, "no, this isn't justice, I'm not a murderer, I have to bring you in."
@lukasg4807
@lukasg4807 7 күн бұрын
Like any of the batman games. The shit he does to the gaurds would definitely kill them, but taking out joker to save a bunch of lives is too far.
@stevenjohnson4190
@stevenjohnson4190 7 күн бұрын
​@@lukasg4807davros calling the Dr for genocide when that was the pure intention of the darleks.
@Marwolaeth01
@Marwolaeth01 7 күн бұрын
Serves us right for working for a bad guy. I mean, come on, obviously we all know what happens in the lives of people we work with.
@olddirtybasterd-ex2vb
@olddirtybasterd-ex2vb 7 күн бұрын
@@Marwolaeth01 Come now... Most ALL workers find themselves employed out of necessity and not want. Only a small percentage of humans have a career they want.
@ilari90
@ilari90 7 күн бұрын
@@lukasg4807 Well, bruce is a crazy nutjob at times
@gloomfiend
@gloomfiend 7 күн бұрын
Dont know if I would call him a hero, especially after learning that he ate the liver of that census taker with fava beans and a nice chianti
@kanutahytomka4542
@kanutahytomka4542 7 күн бұрын
its pronounced chianti
@dogwalker666
@dogwalker666 7 күн бұрын
Silly that's the wrong Hanibal, He was actually the leader of the A team, 😂
@P-Mouse
@P-Mouse 6 күн бұрын
maybe if it was a Malbec
@gustafprates2170
@gustafprates2170 7 күн бұрын
I’m ‘in search’ of all graphic novel comments
@sassenspeyghel4155
@sassenspeyghel4155 7 күн бұрын
ASOIAF readers can relate 💨❄️
@joek600
@joek600 2 күн бұрын
@@sassenspeyghel4155 not exactly cause they didnt pay in advance lol
@Embassy_of_Jupiter
@Embassy_of_Jupiter 7 күн бұрын
This reminds me of the IQ chart meme, where you have the idiot at the bottom of the IQ scale say "Hannibal is my hero", the median intelligence midwits say "Hanibals is a complex character and should be examined in context", but the genius IQ guy says "Hannibal is my hero" again.
@silver4831
@silver4831 2 күн бұрын
@@Embassy_of_Jupiter He's overplayed to make the Romans look stronger in the long run. This has always been obvious to me.
@scottturner3831
@scottturner3831 7 күн бұрын
Generally 1 person's hero is another person's villian. It would greatly depend on whether you ask Carthage or Rome.
@Robert399
@Robert399 7 күн бұрын
That's kinda the problem though, that we judge people by allegiance, not character, intentions and consequences.
@willboucher5397
@willboucher5397 7 күн бұрын
A bit too simple perhaps. You could be from Carthage but think that Hannibal should be spending his money on the people and the state rather than pursuing a family vendetta...
@Unknown-jt1jo
@Unknown-jt1jo 7 күн бұрын
@@willboucher5397 Yup. The Barcid family had many enemies in Carthage.
@DJRockford83
@DJRockford83 7 күн бұрын
Alexander the Great, loved in the West, hated in the east and often described as having horns like a demon (probably reference to his helmet plumes)
@max7971
@max7971 7 күн бұрын
@@willboucher5397 he was a general. He spent the money Carthage politicians allocated to him, and whatever he, as a private individual, had. You can recall that after Carthage stopped funding the war Hannibal’s campaign came to an end soon after.
@lubue5795
@lubue5795 7 күн бұрын
These are the videos I follow this channel for! Long, rambly video of a historian about a historical topic based on facts with a ting of personal inputs. Thank you for uploading again, Lindy.
@1988rastafari
@1988rastafari 7 күн бұрын
+1
@suburbanbanshee
@suburbanbanshee 7 күн бұрын
Campbell's hero journey: 1. Pick out specific style of story about coming of age 2. Bash some famous stories until they fit 3. Ignore all other heroic stories and myths 4. Profit! And of course, the pagan ancient world was looking for heroes to be ancestors to whom one sacrificed and built altars. Or appeased because they might be angry.
@carltonbauheimer
@carltonbauheimer 7 күн бұрын
The audacity
@CaptainBogroll
@CaptainBogroll 7 күн бұрын
He said he expects it to release this year, perhaps that caused him to make this video
@Leo-ok3uj
@Leo-ok3uj 4 күн бұрын
@@CaptainBogroll Fucking finally
@EvMund
@EvMund 7 күн бұрын
I didn't expect you to have the nerve to publicly utter the name "hannibal" until your book comes out
@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873
@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873 7 күн бұрын
He really should communicate the progress a bit more, but you guys are really impatient
@PatrickOMulligan
@PatrickOMulligan 7 күн бұрын
​@@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873are you joking?
@EvMund
@EvMund 7 күн бұрын
It was slated to come out mid 2017.
@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873
@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873 7 күн бұрын
F**k, it's THAT bad?! And that much time has gone by? Okay, fair enough guys. 7 years is plenty for a little bit of impatience
@thotmorrison2649
@thotmorrison2649 7 күн бұрын
literally lay off though, he may have very little influence on when it is published at this point and have no new info to provide
@TheLegoJungle
@TheLegoJungle 7 күн бұрын
Where is the VOTE ?
@VosperCDN
@VosperCDN 7 күн бұрын
Perhaps a hero is needed for finding this "vote here" post he refers to - I can't see it yet, at time of writing this reply.
@robertbruce7686
@robertbruce7686 7 күн бұрын
'Twas a ruse on Sir Lindybeige's part methinks....
@boldCactuslad
@boldCactuslad 7 күн бұрын
maybe the real vote is in our hearts
@JM-sy1by
@JM-sy1by 6 күн бұрын
It got buried down the list by the downvotes: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7GPdbSClrOdZWQ.html&lc=UgzViag4YOT26hL65SB4AaABAg
@JM-sy1by
@JM-sy1by 5 күн бұрын
You have to copy/paste the link because yt chops it. Or just scroll down long enough and find it that way
@lopedeaguirre1
@lopedeaguirre1 5 күн бұрын
So basically, this can be distilled as "he's not a heroic figure because he lost in the end." But that just makes his story seem tragic, almost romantic. I'm not sure if this thesis holds up. You could argue any heroic figure fails in the end because all glory is fleeting.
@Chicanery_Artifice
@Chicanery_Artifice 16 сағат бұрын
Uuummm... No.
@thedandyzebra
@thedandyzebra 7 күн бұрын
15 years at war, in enemy territory, being able to maintain that size and diverse of an army, and winning is freaking insane
@tokul76
@tokul76 7 күн бұрын
So basically nomad roaming around and taking stuff. Mongols did it with army twice as big.
@swayback7375
@swayback7375 7 күн бұрын
Hero or not, it seems a very impressive feat… capable as he clearly was, he didn’t do this alone. To me it seems this topic is dripping with that old, outdated and disproven “great man” idea…
@leonardomarquesbellini
@leonardomarquesbellini 6 күн бұрын
That would imply there's heroism in killing. All of that is astounding and difficult to achieve, no doubt, but all it ever accomplished was hundreds of thousands lives cut short and many more carrying physical and emotional wounds they likely never fully recovered from.
@Andrew-yl7lm
@Andrew-yl7lm 6 күн бұрын
​@@tokul76But they weren't all mercenaries speaking 10+ different languages somehow efficiently fighting, communicating and staying loyal.
@thedandyzebra
@thedandyzebra 6 күн бұрын
@@tokul76 you are overlooking many things such as him being outnumbered over 2:1, and his enemy was Rome, not a bunch of smaller states like the Mongols mostly faced
@DrZip
@DrZip 7 күн бұрын
@28:30 Why did Hannibal do that out of respect for Marsellus? -Because... he URNED it.
@johnnyjolijt2
@johnnyjolijt2 6 күн бұрын
😖
@DrZip
@DrZip 5 күн бұрын
@@johnnyjolijt2
@johnnyjolijt2
@johnnyjolijt2 4 күн бұрын
@@DrZip
@cookingonthecheapcheap6921
@cookingonthecheapcheap6921 7 күн бұрын
I'll be buying the graphic novel as soon as it is released. I've been following you for years, and I can't wait to give some more back for all the entertainment you've given us. Cheers Lindy.
@sexyshadowcat7
@sexyshadowcat7 7 күн бұрын
It won't work like that my dude. Only people that will get a copy are those that already bought it. Very highly unlikely Lindy could afford to do a second printing.
@rcrawford42
@rcrawford42 7 күн бұрын
One of my favorite -- if gruesome -- passages from "Ghosts of Cannae": "By way of approximation we can consider each Roman weighed 130 pounds-they were lighter than modern men. Then there would have been well in excess of *six million pounds of human meat* left to rot in the August sun-the true fruits of Hannibal’s tactical masterpiece, at least for an air force of vultures." O'Connell, Robert L.. The Ghosts of Cannae: Hannibal and the Darkest Hour of the Roman Republic (p. 222). Random House Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
@tj-co9go
@tj-co9go 19 сағат бұрын
really? that is so low. average american male weighs 197,9 pounds. which is over half more than the Romans weighed.
@Chicanery_Artifice
@Chicanery_Artifice 16 сағат бұрын
@@tj-co9go that's because the average is pushed up *heavily* by obese af people.
@alantheinquirer7658
@alantheinquirer7658 7 күн бұрын
The literary hero is an ideal that very few real people live up to. This is why true heroes in fact are outstanding.
@lilacheaven222
@lilacheaven222 7 күн бұрын
I'm so early the video doesn't even have sound
@lilacheaven222
@lilacheaven222 7 күн бұрын
Also the format is borked! It shows a 1:1 format
@lindybeige
@lindybeige 7 күн бұрын
@@lilacheaven222 Strange. It plays fine for me.
@miserychannel666
@miserychannel666 7 күн бұрын
@@lindybeige .. me as well.
@jonnaylor3154
@jonnaylor3154 7 күн бұрын
Hero.😎
@lilacheaven222
@lilacheaven222 7 күн бұрын
​@@lindybeigeit's fixed now! I see I wasn't the only one experiencing the issue though
@nader50752
@nader50752 7 күн бұрын
Great video! 🤗 However, since you announced your novel, I started and finished 6th form, graduated from university, moved to Italy, worked there for a year, moved to Germany, and worked here for the past 2 years. Still no novel though. 😢😢😢
@puliturchannel7225
@puliturchannel7225 7 күн бұрын
You capitalist whiner... "All to me at once" kind of attitude.
@thoughtsuponatime847
@thoughtsuponatime847 6 күн бұрын
Yes. But have you conquered Italy yet? I think the illustrator needs some inspiration. Would you mind giving it a go?
@nader50752
@nader50752 6 күн бұрын
@@thoughtsuponatime847 I'll try 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨
@stormboss57
@stormboss57 7 күн бұрын
I am glad you are still making such content Lloyd.
@tokul76
@tokul76 7 күн бұрын
Looks like "Hannibal ad portas" means same thing in Latin and Italian. Suspected that in Lindy's world Italian mothers switch to Latin when stressed. By 220 BCE Romans were encroaching on Spain and Barca's silver mines. He had plenty of reasons to go against them.
@zachstanton8945
@zachstanton8945 7 күн бұрын
love to see another long lecture!
@keithagn
@keithagn 7 күн бұрын
LONG time watcher, first time commenter: this is the type of topic I love to hear you discuss (history),and your views of it. It was what first drew me to your channel, and got me to subscribe. Please carry this on! Thank you! Regards from Canada 🇨🇦
@jayartstudios
@jayartstudios 7 күн бұрын
Love your videos, Lindybeige!!! Videos like these have awakened in me a new love for history like no other, please continue with the amazingly interesting and informative content!
@brockbolt7885
@brockbolt7885 7 күн бұрын
Recently started binge watching the history series. Amazing to find a new one out right now! Wonderful stuff.
@madchillaxin8505
@madchillaxin8505 7 күн бұрын
Nothing better than an Lindy story
@roydonovan9063
@roydonovan9063 7 күн бұрын
Brilliant Lloyd, back to the kind of video that made you so well loved. Keep 'em coming.
@pepearagoneses6908
@pepearagoneses6908 7 күн бұрын
Goddammit, Lloyd! You put a one-our video out the minute I'm going to bed? I guess I'll have to stay up now!
@davesmith7432
@davesmith7432 7 күн бұрын
Me too😂
@jonnaylor3154
@jonnaylor3154 7 күн бұрын
And me!😎
@fullyverified7491
@fullyverified7491 7 күн бұрын
so glad youve done another one of these videos again!
@MrMRmik
@MrMRmik 7 күн бұрын
Love your hour long history lecture videos, Lindy. Great stuff.
@Robert399
@Robert399 7 күн бұрын
It's a real indictment of human nature that we treat people with good stories as good people. (Edit: not a comment about Hannibal specifically. Alexander "the Great" on the other hand...)
@hoegild1
@hoegild1 7 күн бұрын
Great to have Lindy back! He has made far too few "Talking about history to the camera" videos this year.
@ChIGuY-town22_
@ChIGuY-town22_ 7 күн бұрын
Great video! Thanks for your hard work, Lyod. Have a great week, everyone.
@marcusb4044
@marcusb4044 7 күн бұрын
Thank you a thousand times! I started watching you when your fire arrow video came out. Your my favorite KZfaqr I miss the history. Again thanks!
@georgibolshakov4897
@georgibolshakov4897 7 күн бұрын
I genuinely thought, that Hannibal was not a person, but rather a graphic novel...
@bubbagump2341
@bubbagump2341 7 күн бұрын
A graphic novel that will never be finished . . .
@MBTIinRealLife
@MBTIinRealLife 7 күн бұрын
I like this channel so much. Been watching it in and out for 4 years. I absolutely loved the earlier videos as much as the newer ones.
@nunyabizniz94
@nunyabizniz94 5 күн бұрын
Finally, another lengthy historical video from Lindybeige ! I love these.
@thomashayward3286
@thomashayward3286 6 күн бұрын
I dunno, I thought he was particularly nasty in The Silence of the Lambs…
@walker1812
@walker1812 7 күн бұрын
I had other plans this evening. They are ruined now as I’m going to sit here and enjoy hearing your opinion on Hannibal.
@bodhibra6988
@bodhibra6988 7 күн бұрын
Your videos are so easy to understand and follow, you explain things nicely that actually make sense, that’s why your my fav channel to both watch and listen.
@PaulojnPereira
@PaulojnPereira 7 күн бұрын
This is the sort of content where you really shine Mr. Lindybeige. Thank you!
@walsingham-xxiii
@walsingham-xxiii 7 күн бұрын
About time. Literally and figuratively.
@SporeMurph
@SporeMurph 7 күн бұрын
Something quite wrong with those casualty numbers as a percentage of population. For the Battle of Towton, 11,000 dead out of a (actual) population of 3.3 million is 0.3%, not 1%. For the figures of the Battle of Cannae, if 60,000 is the number dead and that were 5% of the population, that would mean the population of the Roman Republic was only 1.2 million. This is almost certainly an undercount. The estimates that I've seen suggest 4 or 5 million people in Roman Italy at the time. Not to mention their other colonies. So the actual casualty rate at Cannae is probably more like 1% to 1.5%.
@RolftheRed
@RolftheRed 7 күн бұрын
Still more accurate than any modern politician, or Newsperson - nonetheless. (grin)
@lifeschool
@lifeschool 7 күн бұрын
The most current estimates are around 1 million inhabitants at the height of the Roman Empire. Romans didn't even hold the whole of modern Italy back in -216. They had from Rome downwards, so perhaps 60% of modern Italy. The Romans lost 1/5th of their male population at Cannae, if we say 60-70,000. So that would be 700K inhabitants total.
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
​@@lifeschoolooh I didn't suspect the population to be so scarse. Which territories does it take into account into the million ? The whole empire ? Oh boy it must have been radically different to be so few on the planet.
@NICHOLASPASIN
@NICHOLASPASIN 6 күн бұрын
​@@lifeschool 1 million in Rome alone, you must certainly mean
@williamberne
@williamberne 5 күн бұрын
When you guys used the words like population and inhabitants, do you mean roman citizens? Have you counted the slaves, whose population is a few times more than the citizen?
@Ghostrex101
@Ghostrex101 30 минут бұрын
Hannibal must have been extremely charismatic that he was able to hold so many different ethnics together.
@JBo77
@JBo77 6 күн бұрын
Yes!!! Some Lindy history I have been waiting for this day for so long.
@WalterLiddy
@WalterLiddy 7 күн бұрын
By 'bad things', he means they do a Number 6 (Blazing Saddles fans will recall).
@mathewritchie
@mathewritchie 7 күн бұрын
He also created such hatred that Rome went back later to crush Carthage.
@P-Mouse
@P-Mouse 6 күн бұрын
in fairness, Rome kinda was in the crushing business. Take Corinth or any number of other states
@TheRealInscrutable
@TheRealInscrutable 5 күн бұрын
I'd say that he created fear in Rome.
@skirata55
@skirata55 6 күн бұрын
Glad to see your classic hour long historical vids again, it's why I subscribed originally. Keep it up, you're among the best of the historytubers.
@birdwife589
@birdwife589 2 күн бұрын
i’ll always admire Llyod’s ability to talk so long without cutting the camera
@Bauke1234
@Bauke1234 7 күн бұрын
We are back with the hour long history lessons! I really missed those! With the risk of sounding like a spoiled brat: If I might be so bold and suggest to maybe also discuss Zama at some point (besides the one on if it happened). Thanks for the vid Lloyd, that will get me through monday.
@firingallcylinders2949
@firingallcylinders2949 7 күн бұрын
Welp save to watch later, I know what I'm listening to at work tomorrow
@the20thDoctor
@the20thDoctor 7 күн бұрын
I needed this on a dreary Monday morning. Thank you!
@hakanlinn3874
@hakanlinn3874 6 күн бұрын
Love these long videos, always great!👍
@RahnekGaming
@RahnekGaming Күн бұрын
Finally! A long monologue just between you and the camera, just what I’ve been missing! Thanks Mr. Beige
@georgeptolemy7260
@georgeptolemy7260 7 күн бұрын
What happened to that comic you were doing about the punic wars? I spent over 100$ 8+ years ago and i aint got shit.
@BlakedaBull
@BlakedaBull 7 күн бұрын
I think Rome won
@admiralyawn3106
@admiralyawn3106 7 күн бұрын
@@BlakedaBullbro spoilers. I haven’t gotten there yet
@More_Row
@More_Row 7 күн бұрын
He’s still working on it
@TheSparda81
@TheSparda81 7 күн бұрын
As I understand it, the script (lloyd's part) is complete. All that's left is for Mr. Chris Steineger to finish the illustration, and then publishing.
@silver4831
@silver4831 6 күн бұрын
​@@TheSparda81Wasn't he finishing it years ago?
@elisabettamacghille4623
@elisabettamacghille4623 7 күн бұрын
As Italian I say this: never underestimate the subtle and twisted brain of Italian people, we managed to survive decently on this peninsula surrounded by an ancient sea we insist to call "ours", since immemorial ages. That is, we have developed (perhaps by stealing it from our neighboring Greeks) a discreet art of living, what the French call savoir faire, which has taught us the concept that the more illustrious and powerful your enemy is, the greater the merit of having defeated him, that is the reason for which in Italy you can find many great scholars absolutely in love with Hannibal Barca and his glorious exploits. So yeah, Hannibal was a hero, a real damn hero, the best. A side note as devote Ligurian follower from Janua: please consider that the name of the land North of Tuscany was/is Gallia Cisalpina and this means that we, the Cisalpine Gauls & the Ligurians I mean, were with Hannibal Barca at Trebbia river, at Cannae and Trasimeno lake! So we might even say that in these lands, the Esperia marshes I mean, actually we have a lot of very good "political" reasons to confirm that yeah actually Hannibal was really a .. cough! cough! .. nothing! Sorry! Please forgive me! .. ROMA VICTRIX!
@lukasg4807
@lukasg4807 7 күн бұрын
What's really astonishing is how you guys went so long on that peninsula while being such abysmal sailors. It's always such a weird disconnect that Rome could be so powerful yet be defeated at the prospect of having to cross the English channel without losing half your men 😂.
@IAmCaligvla
@IAmCaligvla 7 күн бұрын
@@lukasg4807 You don't even need to go that far, just look at the pathetic display of the Romans during the first Punic war.
@elisabettamacghille4623
@elisabettamacghille4623 7 күн бұрын
@@lukasg4807 Yeah, you are right, bad sailors indeed, but .. in the end those damn little men, those bad sailors with their Montefortino helmets and those funny short swords called gladii, managed to cross the fucking channel and even with half the men they got the land, the land of the Britons I mean, but they did not stop, they got the land of the Transalpine Gauls, as the lands of the Greeks, and Africa, and Asia and they got the men as slaves, they got their women, they got their children, they got every damn thing they were able to put their hands on, and they did this century after century up to 476 AD, but all in all you know what actually impresses me the most? This: they managed to present this incredible mass murder, this robbery on tri-continental scale, this legalized armed robbery with no limits, this continued rape of men and entire civilizations lasted almost a millennium as the greatest achievement of European history! And this is the true Roman masterpiece, maybe a criminal one, but nevertheless a damn masterpiece.
@lagarttemido
@lagarttemido 7 күн бұрын
@@elisabettamacghille4623 Their actual masterpiece was God's divine providence to lay the grounds for the spread of the gospel. Without Rome and Italians, without the French, the Spanish and the Portuguese, the world would be completely different.
@More_Row
@More_Row 7 күн бұрын
Literally the easiest climate on earth in the past to survive and thrive on. (Italy-Mediterranean)
@Jango1989
@Jango1989 5 күн бұрын
Yesssssss!! I've been waiting for history videos for years!
@OdisraFlyrunner
@OdisraFlyrunner 3 күн бұрын
A great video! Thanks for making it.
@VEE727
@VEE727 7 күн бұрын
The irony of promoting shortform in an hour long vide 😂
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
@@VEE727 hahahah
@thoughtsuponatime847
@thoughtsuponatime847 6 күн бұрын
I can’t find the vote comment so I’ll put it here. Yes, I would tentatively call him a hero. I generally don’t value war or generals in the ancient world. The Punic wars were an incredible waste of life. Carthage wasn’t in existential danger at the wars start so Hannibal wasn’t acting in defense. So Hannibal’s career choice doesn’t win him many points compared to a scientist, kindergarten teacher, fireman, doctor, ect. But I would still call him a hero. He seems to possess all the qualities of one, had he be put in a situation where he was needed. If my country was under threat, Hannibal is precisely the sort of man I want to help.
@thomasfairhurst1212
@thomasfairhurst1212 7 күн бұрын
i have two phones, i can hear the audio on one of them but not on the other lloyd is my favorite youtuber ever man this is awesome
@ProductionsDiratia
@ProductionsDiratia 7 күн бұрын
We want more of this please!!!
@vuurbeker030
@vuurbeker030 7 күн бұрын
What happend to lindy who are you, why didn't this imposter go on an hour long tangent!( Great video thank you! )
@macrosense
@macrosense 7 күн бұрын
You wou would be hard pressed to explain to many Americans that Hannibal was not a Muslim. Or that British people are not Roman.
@Huron375
@Huron375 6 күн бұрын
Oh, come on man! Thats not true. Don't be a silly goose :(
@SawedOffLaser
@SawedOffLaser 7 күн бұрын
Something I think is worth mentioning about Cannae: the methods. At Cannae, 60000 died to swords and spears. At the Somme it was done with machineguns, rifles, artillery and such. Can you imagine how *brutal* that must have been? How traumatic that may have been even for the victors?
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
@@SawedOffLaser I probably can get close enough with some effort but I know several vets who would tell me not to. (And I mean close enough to get depressed and shocked. That would be just a fraction of what those people experienced. So, in short, my answer is no.)
@JohnMiller-zr8pl
@JohnMiller-zr8pl 7 күн бұрын
Good start to the week
@randarcher8599
@randarcher8599 7 күн бұрын
Lindybiege been the goat for 10 years
@NelsonZAPTM
@NelsonZAPTM 7 күн бұрын
I've got pet goats, so I'm not sure that is a compliment. Have you got any idea what a Billy does to attract the girls?
@Peter-oh3hc
@Peter-oh3hc 7 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@theal1n
@theal1n 7 күн бұрын
Ancient history and a long video. I missed you so much!
@neutronshiva2498
@neutronshiva2498 Күн бұрын
That was one helluva high effort sponsor panel.
@younes5043
@younes5043 7 күн бұрын
Hannibal reminds me of Saladin. As an Arab interested in European history, I find that Europeans have a admirable ability to add honorable or chivalrous enemies to their pantheon of cultural symbols, Hannibal and Saladin come to mind in this category. I struggle to find such examples of respected enemies looking back at Arab and Islamic history. There is a lot of respect for the courage and hardiness of the crusader soldiers in the histories, but no crusader leader is really a household name. The mongols are remembered with horror but not respected or admired.
@Andrew-yl7lm
@Andrew-yl7lm 6 күн бұрын
Any videos on KZfaq you'd recommend on Saladin mate?
@doomdrake123
@doomdrake123 6 күн бұрын
Omg, never saw the parallels, but Hannibal and Saladin are so alike in some aspects. Well, they have major difference, as Saladin won the war...
@younes5043
@younes5043 6 күн бұрын
@@Andrew-yl7lm the channel 'Kings and Generals' has a nice series of videos of the second and third crusades from both perspectives. Extra History has a nice series on Saladin as well.
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
That's interesting ! My first instinct would be to link it to the great value our successives societies have put on the act of war. You need everything you can to make war sexy. But I'm very unsure about the status of war in the eastern world, compared to the western. Maybe it has nothing to do with it :') Maybe it is a roman thing ? We have an occurence of the 'respectable enemy' trope with Caesar's conquest of the Gauls. He emphasized how the Celts were heroic combatants, to glorify his victory against them even more. I believe it was common practice in Rome. You justify your expenses to the senate, you augment your triumph, and you pave the way for the integration of these new roman provinces. And if the roman did it, most of Europe was influenced by it. I don't have any more clue tho. I'm curious about how it goes in your culture. Are there really no such examples ?
@greenbee6902
@greenbee6902 6 күн бұрын
Probably because the early crusader leaders weren't known for being honorable lol. The latter ones generally dont get as much focus because most people read about the first and second crusades
@jacksonlynch1731
@jacksonlynch1731 7 күн бұрын
Oh man I hope he posts a version of this with audio
@bartsanders1553
@bartsanders1553 7 күн бұрын
That's what you get for turning on notifications.
@myparceltape1169
@myparceltape1169 7 күн бұрын
I've had a few videos which start silent. I restart and it works.
@Andy_Babb
@Andy_Babb 6 күн бұрын
Love these longer videos
@wowdude8710
@wowdude8710 6 күн бұрын
I really enjoyed the advertisement but this go around. High level of quality and classic lindybeige cheek
@AdalbertusPugni
@AdalbertusPugni 7 күн бұрын
I'd say he accomplished some heroic deeds even of he wasn't too heroic himself.
@Robert399
@Robert399 7 күн бұрын
I feel almost the opposite. It seems like he was a decent person (at least he doesn't seem to have been arrogant, greedy or spiteful) but he didn't really fight *for* anything we'd consider good today.
@leonardomarquesbellini
@leonardomarquesbellini 6 күн бұрын
​@@Robert399I'd question how someone willing to crush countless others for wealth and power wouldn't be greedy.
@Robert399
@Robert399 6 күн бұрын
@@leonardomarquesbellini He was already extremely wealthy when he was born and didn't gain any more through the war, in fact he expended a huge amount of money. In terms of power, idk. I suppose if he'd won he would've become more powerful but only through reputation and alliances. It doesn't seem like he wanted to conquer the lands he was fighting in (which almost any ruler would).
@darrinrebagliati5365
@darrinrebagliati5365 7 күн бұрын
What's the difference between Leon and Bond? The simple answer is: who they work for. They both apply the same skillset. As far as hero or villain. It depends on point of view. To the soldiers he paid and kept alive for 15yrs behind enemy lines, he was definitely a hero. Maybe not to their wives but... Yet the Romans wouldn't have seen him as a hero, he was definitely a villain to them. And still is. The same goes for the Romans, Gauls, Celts, Britons. Hero and villain are relative terms that cannot be properly considered from only a backwards view. To me he was an excellent leader and the progenitor of modern guerrilla warfare, but since I've never met him (not likely to either, unless I get the time machine working!!) I couldn't say if he was a hero or a villain. The Italians in my family tree may think him a villain, but may also view him as a hero for taking on Rome as we were rebels from the start. As may the Germans, Gauls and Bretons there too!
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
True. The questions asked in the video are more interesting than the answers in yes or no. I'm glad your family are rebels. Punk never die. Good luck with current days Italia :/ And I got recently quite traumatized by realizing the extent of brutality which got into the conquest of Gauls. It's impressive how the roman empire still lives on today in our modern western states.
@darrinrebagliati5365
@darrinrebagliati5365 6 күн бұрын
@@lc1138 I'm Canadian, never been anywhere else but my name was created when we left Rome when Constantine was changing religions and writing the bible. It means 'The Rebellious Ones' now we're on all continents as the worlds largest gypsy clan.
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
@@darrinrebagliati5365 Wow. Congrats for the dispersion ! Do you manage to keep in touch with each other ?
@darrinrebagliati5365
@darrinrebagliati5365 6 күн бұрын
@@lc1138 not really but my dad has gone to Italy and talked to others of our name! My line came here late 1800s, so instant communication wasn't a thing. And we started as a group of people 'fleeing taxes' and then were reabsorbed. When we did DNA testing, we came back as German. From where Germany and Italy meet. But if you look, there's a hospital with my last name on it in Rio.
@lc1138
@lc1138 6 күн бұрын
@@darrinrebagliati5365 That's a very interesting story and I'm sure it would make for a real good book :D Thank you for sharing, mate. Fare well !
@giorgi5675
@giorgi5675 7 күн бұрын
Please Lloyd, more long-format videos like these!
@blackriders3509
@blackriders3509 22 сағат бұрын
0:10 That portrait was done in his lifetime. The artist is a family friend
@Grz349
@Grz349 7 күн бұрын
54:08 On Rome being the baddies, I wonder how much a need to replace the working age men lost in the War against Hannibal pushed Rome to increase their number of slaves?
@graveperil2169
@graveperil2169 7 күн бұрын
do they have skulls on their uniforms?
@dogwalker666
@dogwalker666 7 күн бұрын
Of course Rome were the baddies ask Asterix and Obelix, 😂
@Ryansanders80
@Ryansanders80 7 күн бұрын
WAKE UP EVERYONE NEW LINDYBEIGE JUST DROPPED
@BlackMasterRoshi
@BlackMasterRoshi 6 күн бұрын
and it's not one of the boring ones where he reads from somebody else's book!
@Ryansanders80
@Ryansanders80 5 күн бұрын
@@BlackMasterRoshi I like those ones too
@BenjaminEmm
@BenjaminEmm 7 күн бұрын
Lindy is so back!
@zer-ok9sn
@zer-ok9sn 6 күн бұрын
Awesome stuff Lindy! 👍
@alexanderhowarth6460
@alexanderhowarth6460 7 күн бұрын
Where's the fucking comic, Lloyd?
@merlinwizard1000
@merlinwizard1000 7 күн бұрын
Mr. Nicholas Lloyd, WHERE IS MY GRAPHIC NOVEL?
@Fuhrerjehova
@Fuhrerjehova 7 күн бұрын
The artist made an update recently. Seems to come along fine now that Lloyd finished the script a few years late. Obviously, it takes time to actually finish it once you have the script, but it is coming along now.
@sassenspeyghel4155
@sassenspeyghel4155 7 күн бұрын
Read that in Prigozhin's voice 😅
@tsk9277
@tsk9277 7 күн бұрын
he does mention it at 30 the minute mark.
@Saurischian
@Saurischian 7 күн бұрын
You put more work into this than the Graphic Novel I never received
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