Takes a real man to be open about learning from someone else. Good on you John.

As a safety engineer, being respectfully scared of a power tool is the best way to keep your fingers/hands...

I want to see you and Scott build something vs each other. Scott uses the shop smith and you use the tools you showed at the end to see who builds the better item.

Way back in 1978 my shop teacher told us there were few tools more dangerous than a tilting table table saw. As you can see there are very very few of them. I am with John on this one.

How dare John say this tool is unsafe. All you need is 40 years experience and it's safe as hell.

The fact that you allowed this man to come into your house and critique you on video and both of you remained respectful. I am.even more of a fan than I already was.

Soooo.... I bought a Shopsmith 510 (just like the one you had) for my SMALL garage shop. I'm a hobbyist and don't do professional stuff for sale. I love it as it has all the main tools I need. Being a retired Nuclear Power Plant Maintenance person, I DO read and refer to manuals (after working in a heavily rule-based work environment) AND I have the time. When I first got mine, I went completely through all the maintenance and setup. Yes, I took awhile, BUT once it's done, you only have to do it every so often, based on the use. Yes, it does take a little more time and effort to change setups (vice just moving from tool to tool) but it is still VERY convenient for someone with a shop with the square footage of (probably) a corner of your warehouse sized operation!!

John, I have a Shopsmith and a table saw (integrated into a workbench). I use the Shopsmith for the drill press, bandsaw and sander. It works very well for those. This video was a much fairer evaluation that the first one. Thank you for doing it.

I'm not a beginning but I'm definitely an amateur woodworker. I've built a workbench, mitersaw station and other things and this tool is extremely intimidating. For the community to attack you and name call you over your concerns or opinion on a tool is crazy. You responded much better than I would have. Good on you and Scott for making this together.

Please tell me you gave him a "time to get squirrelly" shirt 😂 Great to see there's still true men out there who are willing to admit when they're wrong and made mistakes, and accept advice/help. And men out their willing to come and help out. Props to the both of you guys.

I am of the generation who took woodshop, small engines, and auto shop in high school. This experience taught me the concept of incrementalism. Introduce yourself to a power tool; learn to use it safely and properly, then move on to another tool. Mastery comes over time and practice. The very concept of the shopsmith is a temptation to skip the incremental approach and try to learn it all at once. I think the shopsmith lends itself to a certain temperament that many people just don't possess.

I inherited my grandfathers shopsmith and I have used it a ton, as a drill press. It does drill press really well, the thought of trying to convert it to do anything else is just daunting. I couldn't see myself buying one to be a "do all" tool. Good on you John for being open to having Scott out to help clarify just how complicated and time consuming that thing is.

29 year old Lead trim carpenter here, been doing all kinds of woodworking for nearly a decade, and I 100% fall into John's camp on all of his 1st video and concerns, but good on you John for taking the criticism and push beyond the discomfort that is the Shop smith!!

WoW, that was awesome. As a lifelong mechanical engineer one of the most important aspects is patience, I've been watching John long enough to know he is not blessed with a lot of it. Scott reminds me of my tutor during my apprenticeship, blessed with so much patience, he's nearly a Saint. Real life lives somewhere between John and Scott. Most people read the manual when they get stuck or inquisitive, but Scott's right we should read the manual and perhaps note the salient points. Very generous of John to let Scott sort out the next owner of the Shop Smith, and a great post too. Thanks John and Scott 👍

I am glad you allowed Scott to show you the shopsmith tool system. He is one of the best owner/teachers of the said tools. You have stand alone tools and probably were given the tools because you would promote them. If a person has the floor space stand alone tools may be a better choice. I had stand alone tools and watched the mall demonstrations and liked the horizontal function. I sols all my other stand alone tools and kept my shopsmith tools. I read most of the manual. Today you can watch youtube video on operation and repair of them for free. Most of all of then have interchangeable parts. Try that with the imports. Most entry level power tools do not last the time shopsmiths do and finding parts are often unavailable. We are all free to have and opinion and no one will change your mind. Thousands who have shopsmith tools love them and often received them from loved ones who passed then on down the line when they died. I will keep my shopsmith and marvel at the machine and how well it was designed and how long they will last.

I would argue that John wearing his hoodie and the strings dangling down is going to be what reminds me to tuck them in or remove it before working next time. I'm 26, I've never had anyone in my life to show me these things or ever have the thought that it might be dangerous. I greatly appreciate John's ability to take criticism and dive deeper into it like this, not only to learn more, but to share where he went wrong and potentially save someone from getting hurt.

Pure class from John on this one -- Humble, patient, and kind. Ultimately John's right; if something is overly complex, time consuming and requires an afternoon of reading, the average person is going to miss something important. Maybe I'm out to lunch on this, but most of us want to get the job done much more than we want to build a puzzle before we start.

Correct me if I'm wrong but another advantages of having several independent tools are: you set them in a convenient place and use whenever you need to, not having to disassemble them if you want to use another one. Also you can distribute them around in your space, not necessarily all in the middle. Thumbs up for humbleness and good will 👍

Thank you for taking the time to bring in Scott. Glad you emphasized safety in your video.

Great vid very fun. I have never woodworked other than felling trees and bucking up firewood. This lived in my father inlaw's basement. I cleaned and set it up over a winter and felt I could use it after watching the Shopsmith community's videos. My Growth Rings in particular. As for content Woodshop Nerdery proved that high quality pieces could be made. Being retired time for setup was not a worry. Storage is the main feature in Shopsmith's favour. Being free was also an attractive feature!

I remember my dad when I was a kid having a shopsmith and I always thought it was the ultimate tool. I knew someday I would inherit it. He sold it years ago before he passed and I for one was kind of happy. Because one, It is a pain to set up properly and two for it being "space saving", it really wasn't. He eventually bought the separate stand to power some of the items. I don't really remember if it was the bandsaw or what. I will say however that my dad was very meticulous, and he built some very amazing things with it.

My biggest issue with the Shopsmith is the inability to use multiple tools at once. I need to cut something, sand something, run a piece through the table saw, drill some holes, and I don't have time to plan out the order of all the steps for all the parts for my project and change my tools between each step. Half the time I don't even know what I am making to start with, so there is no plan.

I dunno if I agree, John. A used Shopsmith was pretty much my first tool (I may have had my Craftsman 3/8" corded drill before it). Bought it in 1978. I built a deck and about 4-8' tall bookshelves and a couple small turning projects with it in the first couple of years, with no incidents. Now, the reason I can't be sure that ANY beginning woodworker could do it with a Shopsmith is that I had some experience, and a fair amount of observation of my Dad, using his ~1950 Shopsmith 10ER (an older, much less safe, version) over the years. So its configuration and use weren't as totally alien to me, as they were to you. And the prioritization of safety was something instilled, also, by my Dad. But, used with an awareness of safety, I've never had a serious, or even threatening, accident with my Shopsmith. Worst was a little abraded skin on the disc sander a couple of months ago.

I once was asked by a contractor that I worked for to cut about a dozen fake rafter tails for a job using his bandsaw. He had bought the saw a year or two before and I think he had used it a few times. The first piece was a disaster and I realized he had just mounted the saw on the stand and used it without ever adjusting the blade guides. Found the manual spent some time getting things right and it cut like a dream.

The chainsaw disc for an angle grinder is the most dangerous tool ever.

I love the video. I love 2 people willing to learn, willing to teach, willing to adjust their thinking for the better, and willing to adjust their terminology to get across a clearer point. I know we didn’t see all of their conversations but it’s clear to see John came away with a drastically different view of the tool than he came in with. That’s the impact of a real teacher on a real student. My only wish for the video was that we saw more of the conversations about the tool between these 2 gentlemen. I’m also thankful for Johns guest. He came and was willing to teach and not reprimand John for his mistakes. How many of the other critics would’ve done the same. Some but not all.

Just adding as a side note - there was a Shopsmith in the garage for Wally and Beaver's dad to use on "Leave It to Beaver" and more recently one sat in the basement (don't know how he got it in there) of Jethro Gibbs on N.C.I.S.

Enjoyed this video. So awesome to actually take him up on his offer. You guys should do some build offs. Same probect shop Smith vs small entry level tools.

I don't always agree with John but I'm glad he did this. Pretty disappointed in fellow woodworkers calling him out like they did. I knew the responses were coming after watching the video but so many videos devolving into personal insults is just shitty.

I was woodworking, Johnny boy, before you were born, and that contraption was straight out of the back of a comic, right beside the X-ray specs. It came straight out of the 1940s, as the guy said, and it should have been left in the 1950s to give even older woodworkers than me drippy, fond memories.

I own a Shopsmith and I have had it for 20 + years and I enjoy it and still use it.

It is good to see this video. Having Scott help out was the best thing to have happen cause sometimes have an expert is the way to go with a tool (I did that with the lathe). I am happy that there was a conversation and a bit of balance when it came to opinions. I'm sure somewhere there might be someone who when out, bought this tool, and did everything right even though they were a beginner.

Well done John. I am an owner of one built in 1957, and bought new in the box in 1958 by my Father. I still have the original catalog from Montgomery Ward where the original tool was advertises from about 1952 or 3. I turned 71 this year. I am currently in section 8 housing through the VA, and my tools are in my storage locker here in Southern California. I think the give away of the unit you bought is a wonderful idea.

So glad you included the "ain't nobody got time for that" lady in the video. I was thinking that the entire setup process.

This reminds me of the equipment I’ve run that takes months to train and learn and even years later you learn something new every time you operate it. Great video.

You are entitled to your opinion. I need to say that anyone contemplating getting into woodworking, whether to just make sawdust, DIY projects, hobby stuff, toys, etc., first needs to get a basic understanding of woodworking, both hand and power tools. After all, most of these tools have sharp edges and will quickly remove fingers, etc. I was required to take shop when I was in 7th and 8th grades: drafting, electricity, metal work, and wood shop. SAFETY FIRST! If all else fails, read the instructions - at least look at the pictures.... I have always been mechanically inclined. When I needed to get some power tools to refurbish an old house I bought I shopped around. I chose the Shopsmith because of its versatility and affordability. The first thing anyone, regardless of their experience level should do when purchasing a new tool is become familiar with that particular tool. I still have my Shopsmith and use it regularly, but over the years I also have a Harvey 10" 3hp table saw, Laguna 14" bandsaw, Craftsman 10" radial arm saw, Craftsman 6" jointer, Legacy Maverick 3' x 5' CNC with auto tool change, and a 16" SuperMax drum sander, numerous power hand tools (too many to list), plus countless hand tools. The first thing I built with my Shopsmith was a custom kitchen - all the cabinets and counter tops. It's 5 tools: 10' table saw, 12' disc sander, drill press, lathe, and horizontal boring machine. Is each of these configurations the best, no, but each is really good. An added feature is the spindle speed is infinitely variable from 700 to 5200 RPM. The only add-on tool I bought was the planer, which was the best planer available on the market at the time; it comes with a variable speed feed motor, plus with the variable spindle I can get boards planned so smooth that no sanding is required. For the money, most of the other tools I could by stand-alone models (bandsaw and jointer). The main point is that before you judge a tool, understand it - its capabilities and limitations. Then publish your opinions. Be fair and reasonable. For someone that does not have a lot of space or money, this is a great tool to start with! This tool has been improved several times over the years - I bought mine in January 1972 and upgraded from a 500 to a 510 to a 520. When I went from a 1-car garage to a 4-car garage (both only for my shop - not the car), I started buying the stationary tools 'cause I had the space, time, and money. I'm 77 and been woodwork for a minute or two....

The issue with the footprint argument for the Shopsmith is that you need one big space, and most garages and sheds can have 4-5 smaller spaces, for the bandsaw to be in one spot, the drill press in another, etc etc, instead of one larger open space. It may be the same-ish square foot requirement, but needing it all in one spot is much trickier.

I'm with John on this one. I can see where the shop smith was awesome before. A lot has changed. It would be a dust collector in my garage.

I remember watching the infomercials for the shop smith and they made it look so easy to swap tools. I looked into seeing how much one cost and it was a no go for me. The other thing to consider about having separate desiccated tools is that you don't have to keep swapping back and forth if you have a project that requires multiple tools at once such as a drill press and a band saw. Heck, I hate just swapping a drill bit to a countersinking bit or screwdriver bit, so I carry 3 separate drivers at once when I'm doing a large project 😄

Never seen one of your videos in my life but just picked a shopsmith up yesterday and seeing you willing to learn made me immediately subscribe. Good stuff, man!

Much respect to both of you guys. Great video.

I started woodworking with a shopsmith. I've grown out of it. I love the shopsmith. Its concept and the quality of the tool. It was great for the small space I had. But like any tool. Accidents can happen

Thanks for the video! I'm a USMC Veteran myself. Are you a Veteran? I saw the flags from different branches of the service and Black Rifle Coffee Company (Veteran owned company!). My father in law bought a Mark V around 1984 - 1985. He had it for a number of years but didn't really use it that much other than the bandsaw. I have thought about buying one myself but today's models costing five grand...that's a lot more that this old school teacher can handle! Good video with good information. The best piece of information I got out of this was, "Read the instruction manual!" I didn't know you needed to do all that alignment stuff before you can even use it; Shopsmith doesn't tell you this in their advertisement videos.

I have used a Shop Smith like Scott for over 40 Years and use every different attachment from the bisket joiner to to the lathe. I respect that you took a step back. There is no question that working in the heath feild that all tools are dangerous. I have to say if a friend asks me for help and has not read the manual for his tool that is the first step in helping him. Watching videos may be helpful but that is not the end all. With all the attachments that I have aquired over the years has enabled me to do any and I truly mean any wood working challenge I have faced. I do like and appreciate you showing some of the tools you do.

All tools require knowledge and respect when using. Even the modern brushless drills could easily break some people's arm in the right circumstance. Bottom line is, know your tools before you use them, and not all tools are for everybody

I remember as a kid, my uncle had one of those. I never really knew what it was for. It looked like a lathe that needed some parts to function, but the parts he had didn't make sense. It was always in such a state of disassembly that I figured that it itself was a project of some kind. I thought he had some old-timey specialized tool that he was trying to refurbish or get working just for fun. I appreciate that the mystery that I had long forgotten about has finally been solved.

I have bench-top versions of everything John showed, while they do have their limitations, for my needs they really did save me a ton of space; cost was a plus too Also I like that they can be picked up & carried somewhere without help, or easily transported in a car if need be.

I actually never expected this video to come. Kudos, John, for remembering your GameDay sportsmanship! This was an excellent follow-up to the original video & and it is very classy for you to take time out of your day. The giveaway is also well played & I hope the end-user wows us all with the content produced with it.

You were not wrong, this should stay in the past.

We have a shop smith. We really just use the drill press feature (which is really good). Everything else is either too much of a PITA to set up/tear down constantly, and nothing works as good as a standalone unit. I would also NEVER recommend a shopsmith to a beginner. It's not only much more dangerous, but it just adds a ton to the already complex learning curve. The fact of it is, if these things were as great as people claim them to be, they would be WAY more popular. Instead they are fading away. I wonder why.

I’m glad you did a follow up video and took him up on his offer.

I’m in my second year woodworking and I agree with John. The Shopsmith looked like a dangerous ominous tool that I didn’t fully understand… but I’m glad to see this video and know that I was right not to buy one.

Great to dee you two together. Im sure scotts experiance with the machine helped bring you up to speed. As for your pile of tools, yes you were still short a lathe, sander and horizontal boreing machine, and those tool eere useless without taking something off the cart. I can use my ss as a table, band saw (or jointer) without taking anything off. Also your price was a little high in my area. I picked up a 520 (newest analog version) for 450 with joiner and an older 510 with bandsaw for 250. All un all great video and thanks john for being jhonest about how you felt before and after.

I want to get my hands on one of those. I think with a few modifications it could take care of 99% of the non job site work is need to do. Cool tool. And awesome to see two perspectives on it, in a level headed manner.

I inherited my grandfather’s ShopSmith in 1969 when I was 14. I never got a copy of the manual. Other than the table saw feature, I didn’t have a clue about the rest of it. After looking at it for a while, I realized the power head would stand up to make a vertical drill press. For wood working projects, the drill press feature is hard to beat at any price because the table adds a lot of functionality. After reading a few magazine articles on how to tune up table saws and jointers, it functioned very well for me. While the equipment in my high school shop had the potential to perform well, my ShopSmith worked much better because it did not suffer from the abuse of students. I purchased a SawStop for my university several years ago and it is a great saw. When I go home and turn on my ShopSmith, I never think, “I wish I was using the SawStop”. Each tool has its advantages. My ShopSmith has built a lot of different things over the past half century.

That machine is like a classic car or truck. IF you like that sort of thing, then good for you and good on you for keeping equipment from a bygone era alive. HOWEVER, it is NOT for everyone. Size and weight alone are a pretty big bar to entry. And frankly, by the time you’ve got enough experience to warrant even thinking about getting a machine like that, you’ll already have several of the tools. My personal opinion is that it’s a single wheelhouse tool. It’s for hobby woodworking. In my opinion, it would not easy make the jump to home improvement projects (doable but inconvenient) and it certainly wouldn’t be able to go with you in a truck and make you money. And if your making a career out of your hobby in woodworking, I think that you’re probably looking at a small shop space with more dedicated work areas and tooling. All that to say, it’s a niche machine for a niche community and that’s okay.

I still don't really get its place in the current woodworking scene. It's too difficult to use for beginners, and it's of average quality for experienced woodworkers.

So respect to both sides, blaming somebody doing a bad job is easy when hiding behind the internet. actually accepting it and ask for help is great.

And THIS is the collab we wanted!!! Now I've definitely got to get my own!

John I love you for this! ❤ Well done, very well handled!! Scott was lovely and well done for finding the middle ground.

Good on you John! You brought in an expert and learned a lot from him. May not have changed your mind completely, but you are willing to share that experience. Thank you!

My "beginner" shop in 1983 was only the space in the middle of the garage where my roommate's car goes overnight. Every night. Apart from that, I had about enough storage space for three bicycles. Period. I found a Shopsmith model 500 with almost all accessories for about $600. I'm also an engineering nerd, so studying the manuals was not a problem. My first couple of weekends playing with it was all setups and test cuts. Pretty much the 8 hour estimate you made about setting up. But once, just ONCE. After I understood it, change-overs took just a few minutes.

Excellent pair of videos. Thanks to both of you and the crew!

Thx for this video. I inherited one with a gazillion parts & was kinda intimidated tbh. It's got a jigsaw & a belt sander & a bandsaw & all kinds of add ons. My dad would do the Scott thing & teach people how to use it. I even still have some shopsmith gift cards they gave him for helping others. After your 1st video I was like "what did I get myself into?" For now it sits in storage.

The Shopsmith is the Dad joke of woodworking tools. I have a garage shop, and over the years I’ve had many older guys try to sell me their old Shopsmith. I don’t feel they’re too dangerous. I’m just far too lazy for a tool that involved. This was a fun watch. Cheers! 🍻

All valid points! The downside is the time it takes to change to other tools. Add cordless tools into the mix......drills, sanders, routers, lights, fans, and leaf blowers......I think that is the way to go for beginners. Have a good week!

I could tell how nervous you were. But I DEEPLY appreciate that you made this video. Thank you.

This is one of your best videos!! Love the aspect of a guest. And love he is really unfiltered.

I believe you handled the criticism like a real man. Love the video and glad he visited you, but I would not want that tool either.

Shopsmith was one of my first power tools followed by a radial arm saw. Guess I learned on the real dangerous stuff and never hurt myself too bad. Respect for the tool, whatever the tool you are using is probably the most important thing

I just got one of these in trade for a small live edge slab I sawed out. That is way way less than you paid for yours but mine is also missing some parts which I will get in time. This tool has been my dream for years. For me, in a small 14 x 20 shop, it is a space saver. For me to be able to use any tool I have to bring it outside or to the front of the shop and then put it back when done. Having everything in one piece is going to be awesome.

The best part of your videos is your always willing to learn and if you are wrong you say so.

Well done John and Scott. Great to see a healthy, respectful debate occur where you’re both willing to concede on points to come to an agreeable conclusion. Really enjoyed that, doesn’t happen often enough I believe. So often the media pits two opposing views, from parties so stubborn as to essentially be butting goats!

The way you have handled this is outstanding mate! Who would have thought this had such a following 😮

I'm super happy that the two of you got to meet and exchange knowledge and ideas. I'd love to see a future collaboration. Maybe both of you could feature something crafted by the future owner of your Shopsmith.

John Malarky is a effin clown….. Yeah that’s why we love him.

John showing his respect and character. Love to see it.

This is my favourite video on this channel. One man admitting he's wrong, and have to confront this uncomfortable feeling of it, and the other one who went too angry and too salty over his comments, who gets closure, over the opportunity to defend his tool and his point of view, and through that letting go over anger.

Great video John. It was nice that you invited Scott and give him the opportunity to debunk some of the myths and misconceptions from your original video. That being said I agree with you that the Shopsmith requires a good knowledge of woodworking to be used safely, not a beginners tool. But we need to put things in perspective. I have been doing woodworking as a hobby for about 40 years. Tools were so expensive back then. Air compressors and pneumatic tools as an example. The tools available today at pro level and affordable prices is mind boggling. I guess the Shopsmith had a place back then. BTW, I just sold my Sears Craftsman radial arm saw a few years ago 😂. That could spark another heated debate on your channel!

Who knew the Shopsmith community was so frisky? I would have probably assumed they didn't use computers

I'm a beginner and, yes, I often skip the setting up/read the instructions part of a tool. I have a hobby bandsaw (good enough for what I do) and had no idea how to replace the blade. One Snodgrass video later, I learned a lot and corrected my mistakes. Never stop learning.

the shop smith is a relic from when motors were expensive. Now they cost almost nothing. Why would anyone waste their time with one, when it is so easy and cheap to buy an individual table saw, sander, jointer, band saw, etc. The beauty of having them separate is you can cut a piece to size, plane it, sand it and then carve out some details on a band saw, all in a few minutes.

Nice Video! 😊 I smiled through the entire thing. You Did pull a Malecki that was funny and the shirt is cool too. It's a good reminder as was your first close up of the hand with the stubby numbs you got to be thinking when work working even with a saw and knife you're the one who will thank yourself later or not know you really dogged a big disaster but by missing an accident you never know you owe yourself big for being safe.

John, I have a an old ShopSmith model 10ER. That model is what they referred to as “experimental revised” and oh yes it reflects the sense of safety in those days. Nothing like the newer model you purchased. I keep it around for it’s sentimental value more than anything. My dad ended up in the dog house over buying it because he used the money my mom had saved up to buy new carpet. I have used it as a light duty lathe, I use the large sanding disk, and I have used the scroll saw attachment. Like you, the exposed shafts and things like that give me a bit of a quiver in my knees. No plastic shafts but the exposed shaft coupling for the scroll saw is not good. I will not put a saw blade on it, I just wont’t. Great video and a great conversation!!

I watch your videos and enjoy them. Glad you were man enough to have someone show you the truth about Shopsmith. The two-hour setup once completed never has to be done again. It takes no time to switch from one function to another. Checking to make sure everything is tightened down is part of the process and is not very time-consuming., less than a minute. One of the best drill presses ever, shaper, router table, pin router, above table router, disk sander, boring machine, lathe, and table saw are all available on this one machine. Attachments are easy to connect. Bandsaw is a very good bandsaw. Table saw can cut full sheets of plywood with the extension tables. I agree I never liked the tilting table for the table saw. I much prefer a tilting arbor over the tilting table. Most bandsaws use tilting tables and I am olk with that feature. I have had my SS for many years. It was my first major tool other than a radial arm saw which I still have. In the 80's SS had stores and they offered free classes to learn how to set up the saw and the various functions. They also offered classes on advanced skills and woodworking using the SS. They still offer classes at their facory, but I do not believe they offer the basic course any longer. In general, I believe it is a great machine, extremely accurate, and versital. Appreciate you and what you do, but you did miss the boat on the SS. You more than made up for it with this video, and then donating the machine to someone who can use it was a very nice gesture on yoiu part. You are also entitled to your opinion.

Very commendable that you brought someone onto your video who called you names. I’m impressed. That shows your good heart. I still think the tool is unsafe and obsolete.

Respect to y'all for working this out respectfully and actually going through it all (rather than turning this into some internet beef with 30+ "they said...NO THEY SAID" vids lmao) Much love y'all

I gotta be honest. Being only a few years younger than John, I think nowadays there are much better alternatives for all of those functions that are affordable and fairly compact. I just don't get this tool at all, I'm on his side here. Props to him for making this video with an expert though to allow us to all make our own opinions up on the ShopSmith!

Fantastic to see men....being REAL MEN!! This entire video was a breath of fresh air on multiple fronts! Thank you both for the respect, and willingness to listen on both sides. Fantastic to see!!

I appreciate that offer your opinion and are willing to listen to others. The fact you are willing to change your mind, means your opinions have even more value.

I gotta respect that you came back to this and actually brought in a very experienced guy solely to potentially prove yourself wrong. Pretty cool.

Woodworking is hard enough with normal individual machines. Using this monster seems like a nitemare.

I loved this follow up as it showed great respect between two schools of thought. As for reading the manual, to be fair, I have a reading comp issue and would spend 2 years trying to make heads or tails out of that thing. So I am glad to hear that such tools have a community from which I might gain an audio-visual manual.

Hola! 🖐I really enjoyed this video. Yes there seems to still be some friction there BUT you guys were able to spend some hours together without hurling insults at one another. You each have your opinion and just like everyone else, you are entitled to it. I just wish there was more conversation between differing views versus taking the easy route and hurling insults as so many choose to do. Thank you both for taking the time to go through this exercise and showing us all how best to approach a situation like this, woodworking or otherwise. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊

Every professional in the industry called you out but you brought Scott on. I give you a little credit for that.

Well done John. It's never easy admitting that others have more knowledge or experience.

The Shopsmith was the first major power tool that I owned (still own).

you really should of tried to build something on it, like having him use only the shop smith and you use small stand alone tools that are comparable to what it can do and watch in glee as he is taking off the entire table saw to just sand something

Good on both individuals for being open minded and accepting the pros and cons of each tool philosophy.

One thing I've learned along my journey is ALL equipment needs to be set up initially if you want quality results. This takes time on the front end but once set up properly your set up times improve dramatically. Thanks JOhn and Scott.