I was hoping you'd have on someone to make things fair. Excellent guest. Thanks Danny.

Let’s go Danny and Ammon ❤😊

Danny, for the love of the gad fly, get the scholar Russel Gmirkin on the show! He basically argues the Septuagint was before the Hebrew Torah as well. It all a Hellenistic invention!

Ammon is a few levels higher than him but no offence because I’m so much lower lol Ammon sounds very much better knowledgeable and confident than the religious community I’ve had a change in my life spiritually ever since Chris Bledsoe but Ammon makes so much more sense to me now on my spiritual journey not religious. I pray to Mother Love and Holy Spirit that’s it no Jesus and my life changed for the better ❤😊 Thank you for everything @DannyJones

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I got $5 and a hail Joseph Smith on it 🗽

☝🏽 I do brother

Ammon would destroy Dan

Ammon would destroy Dan

dan will get destroyed and he knows it lol

My next question. So when you do your interpretation, are you wearing your magic underwear?

ad hominem

​@@MLM68the joke went right over your head. What do you think the quotations are there for

Yes. That’ was the gist of Ammon. Look at the source. Text ( I’m not agreeing or disagreeing. Because I can .001 percent read it ) but. I do like the old sources. Real books. Not web)

why do you think he's giving free classes on ancient greek. There aren't enough classics to go around, let alone ones who read the pharma side of the Greek. So he's making more Classics.

check out Carl Ruck

I’m pretty sure Dan McClellan does read Ancient Greek. He just doesn’t know the classical sources as well Ammon, especially the pharma stuff (which is Ammon’s speciality), because he is more focused on Jewish and Christian literature.

@@Mikey-hv6lw knowing medical texts that others don't is a smokescreen to deflect from the trick he's pulled with every time he uses them. What do I mean? He had an illegitimate methodology to create his novel translations by isolating a word from its context in the sentence (and passage), taking it to the LSJ to find a different definition that is more drug or cult related and claiming this is its real meaning. But what he never does is then read the passage in English with his new translation inserted - because it will be utter nonsense. It is not a legitimate translation. Another trick he pulls to reinforce his illegitimate translations is to take the listeners on a rabbit trail of related words all of them getting further away from a logical reading, but the practice is designed to mesmerise and reinforcee the nonsense he's forcing into the original text. I'm actually one of his ex students from the first cohort, but because I couldn't join his echo-chamber, he evicted me. He's running a cut behind the scenes and created a narcissistic codependency - he's an exceptionally good love-bomber to those inside and they just can't see through his mask, so defend him fiercely. That aside, I will illustrate how illegitimate is his definition of the word, lēstēs. It is crucial for Ammon's entire narrative: the only crime in Ammon's books that Jesus did, was to be profiteering from the Mystery rite through trafficking - apart from this "sin," Ammon actually fully endorses all the atrocities that he alleges Jesus was doing as an essential part of "the Christian Mystery" - which he has also clearly stated many times, is his ambition to replicate, himself, as part of his Satanic commission to initiate the Apocalypse. He claims that when Jesus sees the "swat team" coming to arrest him, he is "screaming, I'm not a trafficker!" By itself his paraphrase of Mk 14:48 is utterly wrong because it's merely an exclamation of surprise at the size of the force coming to arrest him *as if* he's a lēstēs. It is not a guilty confession! But in the context of Lk 23:2-3, 13-14 it shows that they went to arrest him believing him to be a dangerous "rebel" about to lead an insurrection with an armed gang. "Rebel" is not the definition you will find in the LSJ because it still means brigand, outlaw, but when Josephus published his works, he disparagingly calls the *rebels* "lēstai" 114 times. All the Gospels were written after his publications, so their use of the word in this way is entirely understandable. Whenever I post a comment on his videos i know beforehand that mods will protect Ammon who will not ever engage with any knowledgeable and scholarly pushback that clearly shows the errors in his narrative. I have added the bracketed translations to it just now for people here, but the latest comment I made even started with: "If all mods and Ammon honour Diké (Justice) and Alētheia (Truth), they will leave this comment and any further replies in public view." And they still hid it! There already exists a Greek word for "human trafficker" that stayed unchanged from Classical to Koine times. It's andrapodistēs: Aristoph. Pl. 521, reads in Classical Greek: κερδαίνειν βουλόμενός τις ἔμπορος ἥκων ἐκ Θετταλίας παρὰ πλείστων *ἀνδραποδιστῶν.* Translated, it means: "Perhaps a merchant wanting to profit through many *slave-dealers* coming from Thessaly." 1 Tim 1:10 reads in Koine Greek: πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, *ἀνδραποδισταῖς,* ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται, (The law is) For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for *kidnappers of free men,* for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching. Andrapodistēs has *ALWAYS* meant "kidnapper/slavedealer/menstealer/trafficker" - this meaning has *NEVER* been legitimately translated from lēstēs, in any *KOINE* text anywhere. (The NT was written in Koine, not Classical). To my knowledge it's not translated "trafficker" in any Classical text either. No-one in Lsdybabtlon666 has ever yet acknowledged this truth from the texts when I have raised it, before (and it's had a little exposure before being hidden). Are they always going to be too invested in being an unthinking echo-chamber? But I hope Danny's subscribers are more open minded - let's discuss it, please 🤔

Lmao it immediately discredits all he says🤣

Hate to be that guy but I think it’s spelled Morthem.

It’s spelled ”Cult.”

talk about 'nonsensical' right lol

THE GOLDEN WOLVERINE TABLETS

He made an appeal to authority right out of the gate. Like I just commented, scholars need to stop that nonsense. Make the argument. Consensus is a bit of a bruised edifice at the moment. We're here to learn, not join a cult.

What about the argument of the LXX copying to Hebrew too strictly? Why else would the Greek there just be so awkward?

@@mh4zdYou're not here to join a cult but you side with the guy who has no critical work in Hebrew or study of the Hebrew bible. Here's a free tip. Anyone who tells you one language is better because it can communicate with one word what it might take another three is conning you. That takes place in every translation throughout history. He relies on the people who know nothing about translating Hebrew or Greek. He's not impressing anyone else.

@@robertbrowne7880 Oh this is delicious. You took from my comment that I sided with Amon or whatever his name is. Holy S. You're demonstrating polemics to a T, and you can't recognize a call to objectivity because you think critiquing someone means the critic is automatically on the side of the criticized person's other opponents. I want Dan to do better. Get it? Get off the tribal reflex.

@@robertbrowne7880 Care to offer a mea culpa Mr. Rigor?

sorry about your lack of education

you are absolutely lost. just stay away from all this debate if you cant comprehend the topic and arguments being made.

That’s retarded bud

So you’re sold on a drug addict?

@@Brian-qt6su lmfao ammon is the real drug addict. dude is illiterate and has no clue what he is talking about. if you believe this guy you actually have grandiose narcissism like himself. also if you knew anything about translations you'd know he is a crackpot.

"It could be read that way, sure. But you can also read it the Hebrew way, the one I CHOOSE to take as only valid source" 🤡

Yeah, the problem with mistranslations is that from then on, every ‘scholar’ studies it and truly believes what they are saying. Just because a large number of people believe something, doesn’t mean it is correct.

@@JoeBrandAG holy smokes

All I'm saying is. There so much archeological evidence that shows the Mediterranean was a hot pot for elusinian / occult like practices. It existed in many forms amongst the egyptains, Etruscans, minoans, phoenicians, Greeks and ...the list goes on. These practices used..yes drugs but in many forms, not all that we would perceive as psychedelic today. Some of these rituals included burning your child, crucifing men (romans got the idea from carthage) dancing for days, drugs, sex with same sex, adults children, animals, necromancy.. All types of poisens. It happened so often that we have one big ass book call the greek magical papyri.. It's all there and it isn't even the half of it. It was so impactful that it pretty much inspires the renascience (with hermes/ who was the protector of dionysus) Do I belive that the Romans killed the litteral son of God? Or do I believe they killed a man to make an example to those practicing these mysteries? (mysteries where the main intention was to become one/invoke God)

@@JoeBrandAGdan is a clown and has too fragile an ego to admit that ammon is right LOOL such narrow mindedness

thank you

It's been out for an hour or so and you replied 34 minutes ago. Tell me you didn't watch the podcast and just cherry-picked excerpts without telling me....

Lady Babylon brings the ancient source texts. That's a little more convincing, IMO, than a "scholarly" opinion. Argument with supporting evidence beats argument.

@@JudeFKennedy could have watched it on patreon first

I don’t care either way who is right. There is no way to know for sure if either man is right. So you all sound really idiotic arguing either way. What I do know. I’m an intuitive. It’s very clear after watching/listening to Ammon that he is HEAVILY using hypnosis techniques on you guys. He has an agenda to “turn or kill souls”. He says he is a Satanists, and from listening to him he is a luciferian. It’s nobody’s job to change a souls one way or the other. It is each beings choice. Just like I think it is wrong for Christians or any religion to try to convert people. It is wrong for Ammon to do it the other way. He laughs at you all for how simple minded you are. You all believe every word he says because he is using technique. You all have SHEEP stamped on your forehead and energy signature. So Ammon the snake grins and yells “I’m your shepherd, follow me to greener pastures”. And you all go Baaa baaaa and follow off a cliff. Where he feasts and energy harvests off your energy. Good luck, y’all need it.

you clearly are incompetent and don't understand a thing being said. he is dismantling every argument ammon had chronologically and by the book and the way someone who is a classicist and Septuagint scholar. ammon is merely a classist who is way out of his element yet thinks he is a savant. classic dunning kruger effect, confirmation bias and son on.

brain dead take

Yeah, his statement that he is a religious and a Mormon had me scratching my head. It highlights the fact that he’s not skeptical enough when approaching “religious” texts. Mormonism requires its adherents to believe some pretty unfounded stuff.

@@robdoubleyou4918 all religions require you to believe in the supernatural. brain dead argument. you can believe you can become a god yourself and not let that undermine your ability to study the Septuagint and classism without bias. take your head out of your ass before you suffocate.

@@robdoubleyou4918 *exactly*

Dan Mclellan doesn't actually believe that. He has a liberal view on scriptures. Just about everything he says is academic consensus, not just his personal views.

@@zachr01:47:00 you mean lying through his teeth with no sources?

@@zachr0so Dan acknowledges that his church was founded by a charlatan who wrote fiction based upon older fiction? But still believes that there is somehow truth to the fiction? Yeah let’s follow this guy… into logical suicide.

Didn't you listen to him say Moses was not historical which is at odds with the beliefs of his church?

What compelled him to justify that which he doesn't personally believe in, is my question ... 😉

Dr Hillman seems to have had a field day with this 😂.

Hail Satan

This guest admitted after the podcast was over that he was wrong about the word count of ancient Hebrew. It really does only have 8,000 words, as Ammon claimed.

@@wackyswacky1374 yep 😂

@@wackyswacky1374 Yes! Danny showed that on the screen and Dan still insisted 80,000. Obviously doesn't have the knowledge he claims but her certainly has a lot more biase than what he claims.

😂 Even a nightmare is a dream

👉🏼 🤡 💥 🎯 💯

Trying to assassinate somebody’s character isn’t an argument.. but you have non … only bias towards Christianity

@@dawidczerniak5177 I wasnt arguing

@@dawidczerniak5177just a simple observation Perhaps you don’t have eyes to see and ears to listen

🎉💯

Absolutely!!!! 💯💯

Imagine absolutely knowing nothing about greek or ancient history, but then when a fringe scholar comes along with something edgy to say, you blindly assume he's right, and mainstream is wrong.

It would seem that that's been happening the whole ​@@zachr0

So you have no idea who this guy is do you? He goes against plenty of biblical scholars. He’s not really the guy I’d choose to fight on the side of the Bible lol

Probably learned that in university.

There's only 33K in modern Hebrew.

And only 1 mill + in ancient Greek?

He wasnt talking about the bible

​@@fred-62he'd be wrong either way. Modern Hebrew only has 30k words in it.

Yeah, I tuned out , this. Guy has nothing on Ammon

We. Have been lied to , deceived, Truth is a hard pill to swallow

He is a Mormon. Yikes

Definitely thought Dan would have more knowledge than Ammon. not even close

Yes, me. This guy is steeped from birth to death in Mormon beliefs. FOS

"smack smack smack" 😅😅😅

Ammon is a poor unfortunate soul.

Amon is cool I find him interesting but he's fighting the truth so hard it's obvious he's scared of it... stop trying to put square pegs in round holes ammon, Jesus is Savior Annointed

​@@MagnusGalactusOGwho are you to condemn anyone's soul?

@@MagnusGalactusOG so sad, in need😅

The Bible scholars don't have the language, or the depth of reading to understand the entire gestalt of the Hellenistic world like a good Classicist has. I would love to hear another person on Ammon's level politely and succinctly critique Ammon's theories - but this guy ain't it!

Shocking how you think a weird can't carry two different meaning depending on what level or dialect it's used with. We literally see this all the time between the multiple different versions of English

There's not really anything to rebut because Amon didn't really make much of an argument--he made a claim and offered a near contemporaneous source as to why he thought it would fly, but layered it into his more general theory about Jesus being a drug addict child trafficker. If Ammon could explain why he thinks that's what the author of Mark meant in context, then he'd be making an argument for reading it that way.

​@@Easternromanfan oh so we get to just pick and choose our favorite bias tickler then? IM IN!

Here's the deal - The word λῃστῶν - or lestes didn't always mean child trafficker. Was it used that way at times, yes, but more often it was used as a general term describing - robber, highwayman, bandit or revolutionary, insurrectionist, guerrilla. The word is used in Mark 11:17 - Then he began to teach them and said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have turned it into a den of lestes!” - Jesus is not telling the people that they have turned the temple into a den of 'child traffickers'. The priests were stealing from the people by requiring ridiculous exchange rates for necessary sacrifices. Context matters - especially in the ancient language. Jesus also didn't say I'm not a lestes - That's not even the structure of the sentence in the greek nor context. He's saying - 'You know me...I've been in the temple in the broad daylight and you could have arrested me and yet you choose to come in the night like I'm a thief or robber.' He was challenging their motives because they were coming at a time out of the public eye... Unfortunately this was not the best person to refute Ammon's crazy assertations. As far as the boy - That's another whole literary picture that concludes at the end of the book with another boy that announces the risen savior...the only other time the word νεανίσκος - neaniskos is used. I won't get into that. Ammon is creating his own narrative through his own faulty context and lens and this guy doesn't combat it well.

It certainly wasn't the best choice of attire for this podcast & discussion. A female host probably would have suggested he change, its driving me nuts!!

@@KP-zj3zj He wears those specifically to needle people just like you. It is very conscious.

not relevant.

What's your problem with duck tales, clown?

100%

Dr McClellan has repeatedly stated that the evidence points to a 19th century origin for the BoM, against the authenticity of the Book of Abraham, etc. He's very willing to be honest when the data contradicts with the dogmas of his spiritual community.

Well put. I wonder how he explains his religions racist claims that black people skin became dark because they sinned and were cursed. Also wonder what he thinks about his religion withholding the "priesthood" in that religion from African Americans for 20 more years after the Civil rights movement. What he thinks about Joseph Smith translating texts to scripture in the book of Mormon, which was translated by those who speak Egyptian, and multiple sources asserted the translation wasn't the fancy story told my JS, but rather funeral texts. Wonder what he would say about his prophet sending away many of his devout leaders in the church on missions, just so he could steal and marry their wives while they were gone. I also wonder what he thinks about his prophet marrying 14 year Olds and many children, and having what was it, 34 wives? This gentleman lost all credibility in my mind that he could study ancient texts and still be apart of a religion founded by a con artist and terrorist, which is why Joseph Smith was killed in prison, after he ordered a news paper press building to be burned down because they were slandering the church. He turned himself in, not knowing he was facing grand arson and terrorist charges. He lost any credibility by admitting he was Mormon. Anybody who genuinely researches this faith would be an absolute ignorant lost soul to continue with that religion. Hard to believe any of this man's claims and research. "Coming from an ex-mormon who had their records removed from the church, and had the highest leaders of the church threaten me for leaving that insane cult."

Is this a bot attack or have all the crazies come out? Dan is a Mormon by tradition. He has criticized both Christian apologetics (who despise him as an atheist), and Mormonism; all from the perspective of the scholarly consensus (when he gives his own thoughts on an uncertain matter, he explicitly says that he is speculating beyond evidence).

@@beorntwit711 you can name call all you want. By tradition or by faith it doesn't matter. If Hillman were correct, and I'm not saying that he is, not am I in a position to make such a claim, a person compromised by their own cultural identity is going to be a poor sword-bearer to take up the fight against untruth. Dan McClellan could be the best biblical scholar on Earth, but this was in no way of convincing counter-argument to Ammon Hillman's outlandish claims. This would only be a satisfactory response if you're primed to hear a basic rebuttal and call it a day.

If ya know, ya know. Would be that all men were Janitors for the church.

Wtf does that have anything to do with anything? He has a degree and supporting/serving people in his community through low end labor is something to be respected. Mormons belief are pretty luny from my POV and he didn't back up much if any of his claims by evidence in this interview, but don't shit on him for not believing cleaning after his community is below him.

Exactly!!! He’s a Mormon apologist, used to try and shore up the Mormon doctrine.

respect the profession that Ammon feed his children while in st mary school, janitor or not the knowledge the personal mind is wonderful

not defeding dan but just the mind separate from the body

I'm pretty much on ammon's lives with 3 accounts actively debunking each verse in Greek it's fun to do

@@Itskinda_funny Sorry I am confused, do you mean you are debunking what Dr Hillman is saying during his lives?

@twentythree7sevensix yes, when he shows a verses I go through and put the verse in its proper context. He doesn't understand Greek or language or he does, and he is a satanic pdfphile lying to layman. I've openly challenged the pdfphile to a debate anytime on any subject or any of his followers they just get triggered and block me. It's funny. I'm nice to them. I'm just actively debunking any claims he makes, and they clearly don't like that. Ammon doesn't understand Greek or he's a liar because that's what his god tells him to do.

​@@Itskinda_funnyI also don't know what you are talking about and it's kinda funny! lol.

@twentythree7sevensix Yes, he shows verses without a source, authentication, and age of the document he found that verse on, so I systematically go through each verse he provides and show it in its proper context to use the correct English words to illustrate what the verse actually says you know how's it been read since it was put on paper. People rely on this dude to speak Greek. For them it's pathetic. Muslims use this for tactic for which it is a illogical position to hold and out right lying when people put up fake language barriers like it's the 1700's😂

Thanks now I don't have to watch the rest of the video.

but it isn't. you like many others are not understanding what is being said. the context matters so you can't just use the words generically across the board much less apply the generic medical context across the board. you have to follow the context in the bible and that in which it is laying out. so if you are not doing that you are getting various inaccurate translations throughout the text that paint random pictures that don't line up or make much sense at all. ask yourself why he focuses on and promotes primarily the versus that could paint Jesus in a bizarre light and destroy the Christian view but does not bring up any other examples from the bible to prove this is the correct way to apply the text? because it is deliberate and he knows it is specious made up nonsense that makes the text as a whole not make a lot of sense and he hopes you are too stupid to realize this yourself and believe him off face value. Ammon is an agent of disinformation and of the devil, and or one of the great teachers who set out to deceive for the great deceiver and lead believers away from the faith or anti-christ.

Even cults, pay to have a propaganda minister !

crazy right lol

Money and friends.

Funny how Dan says he's all about "data over dogma", but turns 100% dogmatic, and vicious, when somebody hints that Jesus might be fictional.

Having followed Dan for a while I think he follows his religion not because he believes its dogma, but for social reasons that appeals to him and his personal needs. In fact, I think many religious people do that.

It probably doesn't because Ammon is literally translating ancient Greek texts. Modern academia never wants to accept new discoveries not even as possibilities to play with.

Dont you dare tell me the shadows on the wall of the cave aren't real, that's a conspiracy theory!

It also doesn't support anything he's learned from his Mormon programming from birth. I'm an ex, (thankfully) mormon and I hear his mormon bias throught this entire discussion.

😂

that's not all he said idiot

CONSENSUS DOE NOT EQUAL CONFIRMATION

Thats about what I expected. Cherry on top is the ducktails shirt. FFS

Yup and the shirt just YELLS fake it till ya make it...not an ounce of professionalism IMO.

What is the evidence that Amon’s claims were true? He just asserted meaning without context. Anything that can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Also it’s amazing how you can summarize a 2 hour debate that’s only been live for 30 minutes prior to your post!

Thank you. You saved 2 hours of my life.

Well put, he leaves us at square one, just academically lol

Look for McClellans rebuttal on his own channel. That is where it is. He is not "out of his depth" as you say. He's just not trying hard to argue in this interview cuz his beef isn't with this guy. McClellan is just answering the questions he's given, like "What makes a dead language?"

Yeah I want to see a team of people who actually know the Greek chime in on Dr Hillman’s presentation of the sources, not some Mormon in a cartoon tshirt rehashing the Wikipedia page on Torah authorship.

​​@@Tychaios0I "chime in" regularly in the comment thread of the Lady Babylon shows but Ammon is terrified people will read what I say so hides my comments (or his protectors do). I've lost count of the number of times he's hidden my rebuttal of lēstēs - but I can post it here 😄 The definition of the word, lēstēs, is crucial for Ammon's entire narrative: the only crime in Ammon's books that Jesus did, was to be profiteering from the Mystery rite through trafficking - apart from this "sin," Ammon actually fully endorses all the atrocities that he alleges Jesus was doing as an essential part of "the Christian Mystery" - which he has also clearly stated many times, is his ambition to replicate, himself, as part of his Satanic commission to initiate the Apocalypse. He claims that when Jesus sees the "swat team" coming to arrest him, he is "screaming, I'm not a trafficker!" By itself his paraphrase of Mk 14:48 is utterly wrong because it's merely an exclamation of surprise at the size of the force coming to arrest him *as if* he's a lēstēs. It is not a guilty confession! But in the context of Lk 23:2-3, 13-14 it shows that they went to arrest him believing him to be a dangerous "rebel" about to lead an insurrection with an armed gang. "Rebel" is not the definition you will find in the LSJ because it still means brigand, outlaw, but when Josephus published his works, he disparagingly calls the *rebels* "lēstai" 114 times. All the Gospels were written after his publications, so their use of the word in this way is entirely understandable. Whenever I post a comment on his videos i know beforehand that mods will protect Ammon who will not ever engage with any knowledgeable and scholarly pushback that clearly shows the errors in his narrative. I have added the bracketed translations to it just now for people here, but the latest comment I made even started with: "If all mods and Ammon honour Diké (Justice) and Alētheia (Truth), they will leave this comment and any further replies in public view." And they still did! There already exists a Greek word for "human trafficker" that stayed unchanged from Classical to Koine times. It's andrapodistēs: Aristoph. Pl. 521, reads in Classical Greek: κερδαίνειν βουλόμενός τις ἔμπορος ἥκων ἐκ Θετταλίας παρὰ πλείστων *ἀνδραποδιστῶν.* Translated, it means: "Perhaps a merchant wanting to profit through many *slave-dealers* coming from Thessaly." 1 Tim 1:10 reads in Koine Greek: πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, *ἀνδραποδισταῖς,* ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται, (The law is) For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for *kidnappers of free men,* for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching. Andrapodistēs has *ALWAYS* meant "kidnapper/slavedealer/menstealer/trafficker" - this meaning has *NEVER* been legitimately translated from lēstēs, in any *KOINE* text anywhere. (The NT was written in Koine, not Classical). To my knowledge it's not translated "trafficker" in any Classical text either. No-one in Lsdybabtlon666 has ever yet acknowledged this truth from the texts when I have raised it, before (and it's had a little exposure before being hidden). Are they always going to be too invested in being an unthinking echo-chamber? But I hope Danny's subscribers are more open minded - let's discuss it, please 🤔 Incidentally he called for Greek scholars to critique his own "translation" in his New Satanic Version of Mk 14:51-52. I have and it's VERY revealing of deliberate manipulation to force his false narrative into the text! docs.google.com/document/d/1_iTWlYWio7TKDqmLWWuqhwFiWr7K6tyt5TlBAi5CsUM/edit?usp=drivesdk

@@alirowan1999 thanks for sharing all this

Marvel brained, astroturfed, pharma apologist sewing disinformation on behalf of the Cathedral. Knowingly or unknowingly disingenuous. Really sad to see how shallow his thinking is

To be fair, this guy isn't much of a scholar. I'd rather see an educational background including real universities and real degrees. Any of us following the Ammon saga could get the 15-30 hrs needed for a minor in Greek with Ammon's help. I didn't even know what classics was until Dr Hillman showed up in my feed.

What are you talking about???? Explain because that's not what I heard...

Isn't it amazing that it happens SEVERAL TIMES... Like dude really buries his own interest

​@queenbeedat8726 He side steps several times. All the way thru

Your gut tells you what feels "truthy." The gut feels uncomfortable when it encounters truths that it doesn't like and tends to recoil. Figure out the truth of your feelings with your gut, and the truth of the world with your head. Getting those backwards will fuck you up real quick.

I know the khajit speaks in this way; and that khajit is speaking the other way. Khajit is lost.

"The biggest problem with Christianity are Christians themselves."

You only listened to that 30 second clip?

@seekingtruthgaming8887 I watched the whole thing. That's the point. His whole argument was, "No one I know believes this. That'd be silly to read it like that. Yeah that word means that in Greek but the bible uses a different unique definition, etc etc."

@@wackyswacky1374 well you've strawmanned twice now. It's not that it's just silly so no lol Any scholar denies ammon on the basics of how words are used in context of pther words put together. A word by itself means one thing but changes when you add other words to it. For example imagine you fins a saying of a person in California in the 60s and they say I'm so gay Then find another guy in Alabama mahatma says I'm so gay! You'd know from the surrounding context that the Cali guy is talking about homo stuff and the bama guy is talking about being happy.

@seekingtruthgaming8887 yeah but the surrounding context still supports Ammon's reading. At the very least, Ammon's reading is plausible. So for the scholars to outwrite dismiss it on face value is IMO their own biases showing.

So true 👍

I noticed that too. 😅

As far as I know the word σεβεια (σεβασμό) NOT "fear" means respect. WTH are they talking about?

Jesus spoke Aramaic. Jesus wouldve only used Common Greek speaking to Gentiles. The Jews all spoke Aramaic although they used Greek in business for contracts, loans, buying, selling, etc.

@@thetruthchannel349 Implying that Ancient Greek came first and could only be spoken partially, even by the ppl of that time.

My commitment to this episode ended right there.

@@DarkLensDiaries THAT IS A FACT. I literally stopped and closed the youtube app right away and moved on with my day.

​@@mycupoftea3866sick for reading the texts and discussing truth or lies and history? Nah. Even if he's way wrong. .the 1 true God wants us to challenge the distorted facts and find him

Exactly. Everything Dan said was garbage. He just kept saying nonsensical. Ridiculous ​@@allend5399

4.5 minutes in and it’s obviously that this guy is not divinely inspired

​@@allend5399so you been talking to the "1 true god?" Let him know that there's several billion human beings that want to hear from him. If he will step forward and speak I'll listen to whatever he has to say.

​@brianroyster7510 He did speak through the prophets but you don't believe the text. God is not your servant or genie in a lamp.

It's so common from scholars it's insane.

Exactly, he can't even admit to himself that Ammon could be right because Christians can't accept a negative interpretation without losing their faith. It's like bringing someone out of a cult who's been brainwashed their entire life that the outside world is wrong. There's no way to be unbiased about it when your views of life, death and everything important to you is at risk of going away.

@@_witchdoctor yes it made all the bs he was saying finally make sense

Exactly!

@@interstateneek McClellan's work at times also undermines Mormon authority on the Bible (which he discusses in one of his videos). I don't think you understand his arguments.

As an Ex Mormon I've never known one to not let their religious bias into every aspect of their lifes

No balls just no brains

No doubt since Mormons believe in a fairy tale of Jesus and yet once again many kids…hmmmm! Ammon covers this in detail

Ammon saying hi with "Hail Satan" isn't very credible either.

@@InfiniteDesign91 being raised roman catholic, and after 12 years of education in that system..... 1987-1999.... i think 'hail satan' is paramount, and important

@@InfiniteDesign91 Hail Satan

@@Lindisfarne666 Yeah whatever you wanna hail to, but Ammon is definitely biased. I checked out one of his video, and he channeled some entity that spoke to him.... Meanwhile he laughed when the church accused him of being possessed, and him opening portals. 🤣 You cannot channel entities, and claim bogus when accused of opening portals.

Passed the point of no return, indeed.

What "truth"? You realise Ammon's taking you all for a ride! I agree that Dan did a poor job, but I post thorough rebuttals regularly in the comment thread of the Lady Babylon shows. But Ammon is terrified people will read what I say so hides my comments (or his protectors do). I've lost count of the number of times he's hidden my rebuttal of lēstēs - but I can post it here 😄 The definition of the word, lēstēs, is crucial for Ammon's entire narrative: the only crime in Ammon's books that Jesus did, was to be profiteering from the Mystery rite through trafficking - apart from this "sin," Ammon actually fully endorses all the atrocities that he alleges Jesus was doing as an essential part of "the Christian Mystery" - which he has also clearly stated many times, is his ambition to replicate, himself, as part of his Satanic commission to initiate the Apocalypse. He claims that when Jesus sees the "swat team" coming to arrest him, he is "screaming, I'm not a trafficker!" By itself his paraphrase of Mk 14:48 is utterly wrong because it's merely an exclamation of surprise at the size of the force coming to arrest him *as if* he's a lēstēs. It is not a guilty confession! But in the context of Lk 23:2-3, 13-14 it shows that they went to arrest him believing him to be a dangerous "rebel" about to lead an insurrection with an armed gang. "Rebel" is not the definition you will find in the LSJ because it still means brigand, outlaw, but when Josephus published his works, he disparagingly calls the *rebels* "lēstai" 114 times. All the Gospels were written after his publications, so their use of the word in this way is entirely understandable. Whenever I post a comment on his videos i know beforehand that mods will protect Ammon who will not ever engage with any knowledgeable and scholarly pushback that clearly shows the errors in his narrative. I have added the bracketed translations to it just now for people here, but the latest comment I made even started with: "If all mods and Ammon honour Diké (Justice) and Alētheia (Truth), they will leave this comment and any further replies in public view." And they still did! There already exists a Greek word for "human trafficker" that stayed unchanged from Classical to Koine times. It's andrapodistēs: Aristoph. Pl. 521, reads in Classical Greek: κερδαίνειν βουλόμενός τις ἔμπορος ἥκων ἐκ Θετταλίας παρὰ πλείστων *ἀνδραποδιστῶν.* Translated, it means: "Perhaps a merchant wanting to profit through many *slave-dealers* coming from Thessaly." 1 Tim 1:10 reads in Koine Greek: πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, *ἀνδραποδισταῖς,* ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται, (The law is) For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for *kidnappers of free men,* for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching. Andrapodistēs has *ALWAYS* meant "kidnapper/slavedealer/menstealer/trafficker" - this meaning has *NEVER* been legitimately translated from lēstēs, in any *KOINE* text anywhere. (The NT was written in Koine, not Classical). To my knowledge it's not translated "trafficker" in any Classical text either. No-one in Lsdybabtlon666 has ever yet acknowledged this truth from the texts when I have raised it, before (and it's had a little exposure before being hidden). Are they always going to be too invested in being an unthinking echo-chamber? But I hope Danny's subscribers are more open minded - let's discuss it, please 🤔 Incidentally he called for Greek scholars to critique his own "translation" in his New Satanic Version of Mk 14:51-52. I have and it's VERY revealing of deliberate manipulation to force his false narrative into the text! docs.google.com/document/d/1_iTWlYWio7TKDqmLWWuqhwFiWr7K6tyt5TlBAi5CsUM/edit?usp=drivesdk You won't find the truth from Mr Hillman

@alirowan1999 you don't need to believe Hillman to reject Christianity for the farce that it is. Actually objectively looking at the actions that the god of scripture will plainly do that for you. A god that's fond of killing mankind and allegedly sacrificing his own son. For what? So he can justify himself for forgiving mankind of their sins? An omnipotent god does not need a sacrifice to forgive sins. To top it off, Jesus will allegedly come back to kill us all for unbelief and set up his theocratic dictatorship. And those who don't believe get cast into the lake of fire to burn. Sounds all very lovely coming from a fod who is supposed to be "love". I was a Christian for around thirty years, so please don't think I haven't been through all the issues with the doctrine. I left Christianity behind long before Hillman started gaining popularity. Christianity will *definitely* take you for a ride way more than Hillman ever can.

@@alirowan1999 nice reply. Make a channel and explain it

@@alirowan1999 I thought I posted a reply to your comment last night but apparently I didn't or youtube is doing something shifty. Anyway, nobody really needs Hillman to understand how intellectually bankrupt Christianity is. I was a Christian for around 25 years before I finally left, having seen too much inconsistency and contradiction that I couldn't deny anymore. There is literally no reason for an allegedly omnipotent god to need a sacrificial atonement to justify himself in forgiving mankind of their sins. It just begs the question of why create a reality in which something god abhors (sin) can exist in the first place. He abhors sin yet commits numerous atrocities himself to "purge" sin from the earth. Like, you know... supposedly drowning everyone with the flood. Who knows how many people he killed with that one. if anyone wants to say the god of the OT is evil, then they would have to say Jesus is evil also because he is said to be coming back to literally kill everyone that doesn't bow the knee to him in the apocalypse. Hypocritical at best. But no, god is more immoral than anyone else... at least, as is presented at face value in scripture.

That’s not what he said. He basically said it was used for that back then, but context matters.

When does he say this?? some of the things he says i find interesting but also i can hear some fallacy, not to say everything Amon says is true. because some things Amon says dont make sense and instead of staying on topic he chooses to jump from topic to topic.

@@Aporeticit’s like reading the word elimination in a nursing textbook which means poop. Elimination= Christ. It won’t mean poop if you read it in any other context but in the medical book it strictly means poop. It doesn’t matter where it is used in other places in the context of a medical book it strictly means to poop.

@@JohnDee633 The problem with his statement is he didn't provide any data to support his claim and certainly not just beyond one example. We only have the documents to refer to what something means and you can't just say "well they were separated so you can't say it means the same thing". Yes language changes but not all words change the same way over time. He is using general theory to try to discredit specific examples.

Dude this is basic common sense about how any language works. "Charge" in the courtroom isn't the same as "charge" on the basketball court, isn't the same as a "charge" on your credit card, isn't the same as a "charge" on your cell phone, and all of these senses exist in the same time and in the same place. You can't just zero in on one specific usage and then insist that the same usage is intended in a completely different context. Or if you're Ammon, that's exactly what you do.

you must be an idiot then

I don’t know if u meant to type diddy day care but it made it funnier 😂

Imagine absolutely knowing nothing about greek or ancient history, but then when a fringe scholar comes along with something edgy to say, you blindly assume he's right, and literally every other scholar in the world is wrong.

​@@zachr0focus tard

Imagine thinking every scholar in the world had lcritical thinking skills. Imagine when we see that it falls apart today and lots of peer reviewed articles are doctored plagerised and piggy backed to add false creditsls. Imagine thinking that we were never wrong in our understanding of things. Imagine if we never got lost in translation but we have so many languages to translate to and create understaning. Imagine being that full of yourself that you just believe what scholars from the past told you before free flow sharing of knowledge and information. ​@@zachr0

​@@zachr0hmmm🤔...you mean like the 1611 king James bible?or the dead sea scrolls? Or anything "translated"to someone's native tongue from a foreign language?? Ya imagine people just believing everything and not doing research for themselves,good thing people wouldn't do that.

I guess it’s better than wearing a priests collar 😏

Do you know Hillman's specific area of Greek scholarship?

Dantales

Most LDS r not conservative.

His religious views aside from identifying as Mormon are not public. He stated at one point that he views religious identification(even being an atheist) as less indicative of actual beliefs and more akin to being a fan of a given football team (this is backed by sociological research- there are even atheists who believe in God and Christians who think for sure God doesn’t exist). He explicitly holds a number of scholarly views that he says directly contradict with and undermine Mormonism. Imo, he’s the real deal. His disagreement with Ammon is in no way an attempt to defend Jesus, as he’s called out Jesus’ absurd views about hell and slavery.

LOL The shirt was the first notation of discrediting his words. It seems to me, if your going on a podcast representing your education/knowledge, the clothing choice would be a consideration. He may be smart but I question anything he says contradicting what I have learned in my life. I feel he is sincere yet misguided

Don't knock the Ducktales!

They are the real Israelites, dontcha know? :)

@@emac1177no no African Americans were the Hebrews, Egyptians, native Americans, they were the original everything.

@@JohnDee633so we are gonna forget Arabs? 🤣🤣African Americans aren’t Israelites I’m sorry my brother. Not defending Arabs because I’m not one, but do a little geography study of the Bible and the places it took place at.

You ROCK

He wouldn't be getting the backlash he's received if he were wrong. They only do that to those who tell the truth.

I don’t believe Hillman I know he’s correct and others have also for some time now. Interesting to see where this goes from here.. veritas lux mea

Hail Satan 🪐😂

I thoroughly debunk something he brings in virtually every video he makes - and he's terrified of me ever being heard, so hides my comments (or his protectors do). I have lost count of the number of times he has hidden my debunking of his mistranslation of lēstēs!! But I can post it here and have done 😊 In case you don't find it (not too far above here), I said The definition of the word, lēstēs, is crucial for Ammon's entire narrative: the only crime in Ammon's books that Jesus did, was to be profiteering from the Mystery rite through trafficking - apart from this "sin," Ammon actually fully endorses all the atrocities that he alleges Jesus was doing as an essential part of "the Christian Mystery" - which he has also clearly stated many times, is his ambition to replicate, himself, as part of his Satanic commission to initiate the Apocalypse. He claims that when Jesus sees the "swat team" coming to arrest him, he is "screaming, I'm not a trafficker!" By itself his paraphrase of Mk 14:48 is utterly wrong because it's merely an exclamation of surprise at the size of the force coming to arrest him *as if* he's a lēstēs. It is not a guilty confession! But in the context of Lk 23:2-3, 13-14 it shows that they went to arrest him believing him to be a dangerous "rebel" about to lead an insurrection with an armed gang. "Rebel" is not the definition you will find in the LSJ because it still means brigand, outlaw, but when Josephus published his works, he disparagingly calls the *rebels* "lēstai" 114 times. All the Gospels were written after his publications, so their use of the word in this way is entirely understandable. Whenever I post a comment on his videos i know beforehand that mods will protect Ammon who will not ever engage with any knowledgeable and scholarly pushback that clearly shows the errors in his narrative. I have added the bracketed translations to it just now for people here, but the latest comment I made even started with: "If all mods and Ammon honour Diké (Justice) and Alētheia (Truth), they will leave this comment and any further replies in public view." And they still did! There already exists a Greek word for "human trafficker" that stayed unchanged from Classical to Koine times. It's andrapodistēs: Aristoph. Pl. 521, reads in Classical Greek: κερδαίνειν βουλόμενός τις ἔμπορος ἥκων ἐκ Θετταλίας παρὰ πλείστων *ἀνδραποδιστῶν.* Translated, it means: "Perhaps a merchant wanting to profit through many *slave-dealers* coming from Thessaly." 1 Tim 1:10 reads in Koine Greek: πόρνοις, ἀρσενοκοίταις, *ἀνδραποδισταῖς,* ψεύσταις, ἐπιόρκοις, καὶ εἴ τι ἕτερον τῇ ὑγιαινούσῃ διδασκαλίᾳ ἀντίκειται, (The law is) For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for *kidnappers of free men,* for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching. Andrapodistēs has *ALWAYS* meant "kidnapper/slavedealer/menstealer/trafficker" - this meaning has *NEVER* been legitimately translated from lēstēs, in any *KOINE* text anywhere. (The NT was written in Koine, not Classical). To my knowledge it's not translated "trafficker" in any Classical text either. No-one in Lsdybabtlon666 has ever yet acknowledged this truth from the texts when I have raised it, before (and it's had a little exposure before being hidden). Are they always going to be too invested in being an unthinking echo-chamber? But I hope Danny's subscribers are more open minded - let's discuss it, please 🤔

Should change it to "fairy tails"

Gotta watch this fruit around your kids

😂😂😂

Duck Tales was a really good TV show. One of the best Cartoons of all time. To be fair.

​@@MagnusGalactusOG and? WTH that have to do with a grown man wearing one

he is a walking billboard of soyface

Things that make you go Hmmmmm 🤔

Lady Babylon channel has a livestream scheduled for Weds night

AGREED

That guys a joke though 😂😂 Clearly the apostles were not children at the time of Christ. Look at all the books. They are definitely not children. Peter definitely wasn’t a fisherman at 10 years old.😂😂

@@CatholicCanadianConservative YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION

@@CatholicCanadianConservativewell in the holy Bible when Jesus tells them to come and they want to ask their father???

It's almost like when the plumber bends over to fix the pipe.And you see his crack. You just can't seem to unsee it. 🤔🧐

Bag... It's cat out the bag....

Lmao this guy got caged cats

Imagine knowing absolutely nothing about greek or ancient history, but then when a fringe scholar comes along with something edgy to say, you blindly assume he's right, and literally every other scholar is wrong.

@zachr0 yea but the cats man

How do you square that with the fact that the Roman Empire enslaved and trafficked hundreds of thousands of people…?

Google is the arbiter of truth, right? Oh, wait.

@@afrodemon8629 Google isn't dogmatic and is atleast 95% accurate.

we were created.. something cant come from nothing...there is a light that animates our forms. it leaves and goes some place else when we leave this form. we all will have to answer for the thoughts,words, and deeds for better or worse. its your choice as to whether you see this or not. free will is a God given right/honor/responsibilty

@@michaelvenezia9673 LOL and then you end that with "God" given. hahahaha. that's a seriously P poor argument. Clearly, there is no such thing as "free will". Guess you haven't thought that through.

@@michaelvenezia9673 In the OT it says God breathed life into us. That wasn't a soul then. It was nemesh, breath. And really this is what I read, how can I know for sure? How can you know the light that animates us goes somewhere. What does that mean anyway? Does it merge with all light? I am not trying to argue friend. We don't control our thoughts. Try to predict your next thought. And answer to who? And why? And for what? Even among the Abrahamic God, Jews Christians and Muslims differ. And among those groups there are differences. Hinduism was earlier. Same with free will. Why is it a right? I don't even want it. Honor? How? So I can walk on a razors edge and be condemned for the slightest screw up? Responsibility? Who asked for it? How much have you studied free will? Or sociology. You can predict so much behavior based on IQ, education and wealth, learning disability, parental abuse or alcoholism, neighborhood, nutrition, genetics, and a thousand other things a person had no control over. There is actually a common mental illness, OCD, where intrusive thoughts are part of the illness. The person literally does not want the thoughts. How much have you studied psychology and sociology? Brain disorders are real, and even normal brains are not like you thing, as if you are riding a horse. Your brain is not a horse you ride and pull the reigns to make it go right or left.

If you think that McClellan is a Biblical (Christian or Mormon) apologist, you really have not paid much attention to his scholarship or arguments.

Dan is far from an apologist. Accusing him as an apologist shows you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Im really surprised more ppl aren't pointing that out.

Trying not to be disrespectful, but yep being lectured by a Mormon is laughable. All religious raised people can't be of independent thought. I'm from UK, and I wince when Thanksgiving comes around. The pilgrims were extremist puritans. Too extreme for UK and Europe which was a zoo at the time. Our Empire was built on blood and suffering, but God approved apparently......

@@genestone4951most people comprehend the world at a 3rd grade level. It’s obvious, to me, he’s an LDS plant. One of those “reach the youth” type guys. The equivalent of the marines setting up a booth outside of detention.

All together now: OOF

The question was about the ancient greek language

For me the cringe moments were when he said (1) christianity was not a standard-issue mystery cult with dyin'n'risin' god, and again when he pretended (2) early apocalyptics, among them nascent christianity, were not all fundamentally about an expectation of their savior figure being executed so he could rise again. Without the full suite of mystery-cult trappings (including also baptism and a meal ritual) it would have been unable to compete with the dozens of others current throughout the Roman empire, so would have vanished along with the Judean state. And, without an executed savior, it would have been totally invisible in the Judean apocalyptic milieu. Its only unique feature was pacifism, which it needed for compatibility with Roman occupation.

If you look it up yourself it says there are over 33000 words in Hebrew get it right

@@brenttrandall9247 That's modern Hebrew after inventing words for airplane, machine gun and telephone call. Classical biblical Hebrew has under 9000 words, no one disputes this. Get it right.

Or if a kid says that a guy wearing a leather jacket is cool. If you look at the root or apply the word to a period before it came to mean impressive than it would mean he is cold to the touch.

It is a good argument if we ignore the naked child running away. That kind of gives context to argue for ammons point.

But it's all still stealing and means the same thing. Taking something that isn't yours by force or trickery against the will of the owner.