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Deepwoken isn't an adventure game anymore, it's a pvp and pve game. They only release updates to satisfy the end game players into replaying the game. They don't release updates to deepen the game's depth and exploration. (Edit): I would just like to clarify, that my comment isn't ridiculing their process of making updates, it's stating that they don't care about the method they go about making x update. They don't release updates to deepen the lore or the exploration of the world. They release updates and balance patches just for players to replay the game. Furthermore when top chime players have to wait 2-3 months for something broken to be nerfed, it sucks because like why tf is this a thing. Why was shattered crit not canceling for like 6 weeks (Cladrum???). Tbh my problem isn't complaining about new adventures for seasoned players. It's more so a complaint about the fact that new updates don't bring new challenges. Maestro is a joke and isn't hard at all, the boss is unpolished and isn't difficult at all and has mechanic to it. And updates with no adventure or challenges too them being favored because it increases replayableity is just annoying. Getting a new oath should be an adventure, a new boss should be harder than the rest. Why is it that layer two is low risk high reward for end game players??? Difficulty is artificial and isn't a thing for new player. Replayability makes it so top chime just has to constantly remake builds bc nerfs are 2 months delayed. Replayablity means pve players just keep farming the same shit for a new item.

Im happy someone is talking about the effects and the vibe of Deepwoken right now. Genuinely. You used to think this was gonna be some sick adventure, sea-battling game, and now we are in 2024 where you are essentialy a demigod with the bright and most confusing fucking abilties. If you go with a normal build and chime and the opponent has flamecharm + dawnwalker you're literally finished. No human is seeing through all of those anime-ish rainbow effects. I feel as if the game has moved away from the original path it was heading, from the sailing adventure game it was supposed to be, to whatever this is now. No exploration, just PVP and PVE.

Deepwoken went from a game attempting to be a darksouls inspired game to a normal Rpg game with a Perma death system that's more of an annoyance than anything.

bro i remember when i thought an enchant was the rarest thing in the game and i have never even heard of a legendary weapon

My main issue is that the game continues to divide the player base with every big update. First it was chime of conflict, which essentially made overworld pvp null or extinct and had everyone go to an instanced server to get their dose of pvp. Then they made layer 2 instanced instead of another area to explore like how they implied when they teased it months before release. And after adding battle Royale to the mix, they are going to add ANOTHER game mode. It’s like they completely forgot their original vision of the game (A rogue like exploration-esque game) and just abandoned the overworld. I also agree with you take on nothing being rare anymore. I remember in early deepwoken when just seeing someone with an enchant instantly had you on edge because of how rare and coveted the items were. Now it’s rarer to see someone WITHOUT an enchant. The same goes for legendary weapons. The game went from a potentially cool pvp exploration game, to a min max build simulator to farm Elo in chime or to farm bosses.

I thought I was the only one who didn’t like deepwoken’s current art style 😭 it’s legit seizure inducing and rewards playing without landing an m1. The deepwoken that was shown during the sneak peeks looked so cool and mysterious, like dark souls mixed with rogue lineage. Now it’s just blox fruits/ an anime grinder with perma death slapped ontop of it.

tbh this game just has a massive identity crisis all in one, it wants to be - a blatantly inspired made in abyss dark fantasy exploration game with deep lore and an emphasis on exploring and engaging with the world and story with an overarching narrative - a questing levelling rpg game with character storylines and world events influenced by the player - a pve sekiro shadows die 20 trillion times game where basic enemies chunk your health and you're expected to learn parry timings and attack patterns through trial and error (usually resulting in death) - a sweaty pvp guild raid game where the only interactions you can expect from others is "they attack you" or "they drop you an endgame weapon because they have like 90 sitting around and they're bored" and on top of all this it ALSO wants to be a fucking roguelike with shoehorned permadeath and the most dogshit metaprogression i've ever seen in any roguelite ever and trust me i am a roguelite ADDICT i fucking LOVE slay the spire, isaac, FTL, cultist simulator, lobotomy corp, for the king (not 2, FTK2 is dog) etc you just can't reach into all of these diametrically opposed corners at once and the strain of attempting that has been showing for a while, for example the much-hyped layer 2 of the depths was just an instanced linear FFXIV-tier dungeon that serves almost entirely to rush you through to the end to get pvp gear to go gank people with

the search for contractor was so fun when people found out about it

Deepwoken use to have this darker and more serious vibe to it, it was presented that way and it played that way briefly.

I agree with the points you make but I would like to add a bit. For the longest time I've felt like old Deepwoken was "better" in the sense that it looked better, and it looked more promising. From what I've heard secondhand, Deepwoken as a game in testing was kinda ass and would not have worked if they were to release it to the public. I think it's that original vision that seemed so enticing, not any actual gameplay we saw. The game we got in the end was entirely different from that original promise, both in gameplay and art style, which is why so many people were disappointed I feel like post verse 2 the game is actually pretty solid now gameplay wise for what it's trying to be now, though it could definitely use improvement, but that original vision and style is gone. I ended my comment on your last video with this and I'll do it again, the Deepwoken we wanted unfortunately never existed, and probably never will. Thanks if you actually took the time to read this, I really care about the game and its future (it's been over 4 years since it was announced which is crazy) and I could go on forever about it, I'm really not trying to hate on the game, just offering my honest criticisms

Imo i think it was just bound to happen anyways, They can't pump out weekly updates then at the same time add some crazy new hidden thing that would actually excite people to the level your talking about, especially when most updates are usually quality of life or like one new item. But I do feel like they are heading in a good direction with what they did with maestro update. And honestly the whole nothing being a secret thing is honestly just kind of up to you? you can choose to just not watch the videos and find things out yourself. Like when layer 2 dropped I didn't wait for any videos to realse i hopped down there with my friend and we died to the parasites while exploring LOL its all about your perspective and how you play the game imo. But I can agree the overworld need some type of new content cause there is literally no reason to go to like 2/3rds of the islands in the game which is kinda sad

I think the main issue with deepwoken is that mantras are made entirely for combat. Mantras in this game should be a utility tool and a component of battle, not the main focus

Devolved from "Rogue Lineage 2" to "anime slop the game"

once again such a shame. I really hoped too that they would do a media ban when it released like how rogue lineage did because my biggest take on the game was everyone discovering new things and then the biggest content creators at the time would just milk it for the revenue and not the enjoyment of the game

deepwoken devs were hesitant to adding battle royale a few months ago cause they thought that having temporary characters would ruin the whole feel of the game and your connection to your characters, but now they are adding an entire actual gamemode where you go in with blank/temporary characters?? hello???

I miss old deepwoken because the game was about adventure exploring and everything wasn't so complicated. The armor wasn't shiny the style was just so interesting like something out of an adventure book or movie the music the explorations the co op with your friends was really something.

The footage you show in the background looks so much more fun than how Deepwoken currently is, I wanted an adventure full of eldritch horrors and mysteries that would take months just to uncover, I didn't want to wait a week just to be fed the worst slop imaginable.

Not even gonna lie, the first vid I watched from you was your last one, the first video in this "mini series" I guess you could call it, and since watching that I've been watching a few other random vids and they are great, keep it up man!

Awesome building by you Ngl and love these vids

Aye man, love the video. Keep this stuff up. Someone had to speak the truth and you did just that. I really miss old deepwoken but look how far we've gotten and I don't think they're going to revert everything back. With all that said I wish you luck on keeping up with the videos and growing your channel. God bless you, brother.

deepwoken direct went harder than any other current deepwoken video (other than this one)

Yo? That build Is so good? It reminded me of that feel I use to get when I started deepwoken. I also have my own personal project, that I've been working on as side hobby to see what I could do. A game that could bring back that same feeling of when I started playing deepwoken.

The vision obstruction and everything glows sections were too relatable. I’ll go into chime with a katana and the mindset, “I’ll just play better with my movement and sword play.” Then I find myself against some flamecharm archwarder who’s entire arsenal is these huge explosion aoe attacks that require 0 brain power

They need to add reservoir back.. it made mantras feel like a tool rather then a neccesity

yo your builds are actually fire.

Chime effectively ruined Deepwoken. Arch said he didn't want private servers like in rogue yet chime was added (literally a glorified private server)

i was excited for deepwoken because it looked so simplistic yet so amazingly huge. now it feels like a anime rpg game thats a bit cooler.

can we get rest in peace for the summer isles arena? 💀💀

we need more openworld content, like other luminant or part of already existing luminant but teleport like east luminant to reduce lag

Love this vid. Also I was the curved celtor dawnwalker!!! Atp I'd prefer a Deepwoken 2 over tryna fix this mess. I wish layer 1 was terrifying to a degree that a new player would never be able to escape. I wish it didn't have any essential things down there making the depths just there to wipe you.

This video is the exact reason Jetstriker is my favorite oath cause I feel like because it’s way less of a combat heavy exploration based oath that it feels more like Deepwoken’s original vision that has a fun and simple way to obtain it

I’ve been saying this shit for years I’m so glad someone else finally has, remember in the qna when they said bad things were supposed happen at sea? What a joke, the vibes of what we were promised in the directs, qnas, etc is completely different than what we got I believe the main issue (or at least, what a lot of problems stem from) with deepwoken is how it’s formatted for you to play through a bunch of different slots and builds instead of having 1 continuous run, it gets rid of the attachment and partially why wiping feels tedious above all else, the devs have even said when your build gets old and outdated you’re just supposed to wipe it as if it was nothing

I really appreciate the qol and progression of current deep but the art style and world have really took a hit. I mostly blame k1 since he’s anime slop personified and releases half baked mantras and reused assets from aba constantly.

I feel the best way to explain the shift from verse one to verse two is that in verse one, pvp and pve was like vinland saga. Where there was a type of traditional pvp and pve, with skills that aid your movements and mix ups. While going to verse two is like a time skip 1000 years into the future were everyone's using guns, missiles, heavy artillery, and literal nukes as skills.

The problem started when they announced weekly updates. They rushed themselves into this situation. They fell victim to greed and wanted to put quantity>quality. This shows with the updates being constantly rushed. Every other update has patches/nerfs for the previously added content. No real balancing has been done to this game. I can name 3 major issues with balancing that need to change to make deepwoken a more fair game. 1. Remove hero blades allowing mage builds to have the best of both worlds really makes this game cater to the mage meta. (Hence you seeing many hero blades/ legendary double scaling weapons) 2. Intelligence and willpower provide no real primary value to a player other than niche talents. (For example intelligence is something a mage would have a high attribute in. Why not make intelligence determine the amount of mantras you can have? That way mages can be mages and warriors can still have their small piece of the cake but be more adept in combat traits than mages because of points being spent in other attributes.) 3. Catering too much to the new players/ losing immersion. I loathe the new cods because of the amount of shit in my screen. I enjoy learning and understanding something and appreciating the world around me. Why is that I have a tutorial when I start the game. Then spawn at isle of vigils and then greeted with another icon/ waypoint to head to?The most beautiful thing I remember from playing rogue for the first time was realizing how fun it is to just enjoy art. Yes it might be hard, but the ride of learning and exploring is so worth the trial and tribulations that we go through. I also dislike that they add whole other game modes that yield 0 benefits to our characters. I came to play deepwoken not a Fortnite knock off, and apparently a league knock off is coming soon? This also takes the feel of it being a rogue like. They need to stop, breathe, and think about where they want this game to head. I’m going to be publishing this yap session 😂

having to grind for hours to get a slot to ethiron just to wipe to some random glitchy insta wipe particle spawner is crazy

The thing about like the updates and balance patches we've been getting are almost revolved around chime completely

You should really consider checking out abbadon, it does feel like old deep in some way, not in the anims but the actual atmosphere

Appreciate your content brother. I like seeing a different and more honest view, from someone who is able to give an unbiased opinion and doesn't have to appeal to a certain group of people. I'm certainly no deepwoken tryhard, as I generally suck at the game, but I feel I'd be more interested in playing more often if the game had more depth to it. It has so so much potential, and I'm a huge sucker for lore, especially lore done right. I wouldn't wish for the storytelling to be thrown at my face, but I'd like there to be enough subtle hints to get a grasp on how everything works in the Deepwoken universe. Obviously, it's an "exploration" based game (not that it's done very well) but the lore is too hidden and too small. There are plenty of ways to make lore interesting without it becoming a roleplay universe.

I remember when getting a curved blade of winds was so epic because it wasn't everyday you'd see the weapon but then everybody now has it and it's not that crazy anymore

I stopped playing deepwoken a few months after verse 2 only hopping on every few months but I've still been watching it consistently to see if anything goes back and makes it as interesting as it used to be. The game used to he so fun and I always loved it but the devs seemed to have stopped caring about what the players wanted as well as it going away from what it was originally.

The intro is great

9:20 You're so right, I made my character really simple, it was beautiful, brown hair, ignition deepdelver, leather gloves, and wyrmtooth, that was it. I entered a drip contest and people kept saying how boring I look, while everyone else was doing the same thing, either completely red with huge effects and other shit.

only thing that still feels like old deepwoken is no attunment mantras if u exclude skyshatter kick

Its the problem of every roblox games, when there is only tiny updates or not enough updates everyone is conplaining about it and when there is alot of updates or some major updates everyone is also conplaining.

Ngl I kinda want the old mantras you have to create your own mantras I want to get a feel of that

To be fair, deepwokens leveling and quest stuff, talents is a pretty fun for mee, not to mention fighting mobs, learning to parry. Though i admit the pvp is a bit one sided at times, its still a fun and good game with depth, we have eastern luminant, oaths, layer 2, original ost, theres still so much good about the game man.

first time i heard about deepwoken was in 2020 when my friend talked to me about it for the first time. Then after all the leaks and directs you can't even imagine how hyped ive been for this game; some days i just couldn't think of anything else cause i kept thinking about what we could've done once it was released and how many places were to explore and things to learn. I remember people making theory videos over deepwoken mysteries and stuff. I was so hyped that I would fantasize over what we would've done once the game came out. I think deepwoken lost its spark since it first released. My mind couldn't accept it but when i first opened the game right when it released I was kinda disappointed. The old look is 100x better. I would ve loved to explore dark cities and maybe 1v1 people like they used to do in some old videos. I thought the Depths would be both scary and extremely interesting to explore. Now I don't even care if a corrupted jellyfish and a king thresher attack me at the same time. The overworld is far from being interesting and the game's become basically a bandit beater to level up. Aint no missions, no nothing, no lore missions or such things; just fight mobs and gain enough exp. Also the combat system and movement used to be so simple pre-release, now it looks like you gotta learn all the perfect parry timings for each mantras that players will use against you. I also agree with the fact that mantras should ve remained something extra to the base combat and not letting you be able to spam mantras here and there. Old deepwoken vibe was hella better and I don't care if pre release testers say the contrary because the developers could've just made the old flawed deepwoken version better and maintain the original atmosphere and stuff. Almost hurts how I literally dreamed about playing this game with my friends before release and now I just have a 2 week-phase where i try to give Deepwoken a chance but honestly all the potential it had has been kinda wasted. All the developers really have talent and know how to do their job but this is not the game I would've loved to play when I first saw all the pre release videos. I'm not lying when i say that this was ideally my favorite roblox game ever. Drowned Gods>>>>> pls raguza & archmage give us the REAL deepwoken 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

enchants in general for weapons and some armor enchants are just a neon particle sponge, would love for a bunch of enchants to be subtle and only really pop off visually on proc or something, i mean hell sear is sure as hell searing my eyes making a bright neon yellow particle sponge,

dammm this video doing even better ts good as hell

maybe a new update where a meteor came down or something like that, that makes all enchants loses its power making them not glowy anymore and just a regular weapon, just like a era reset, the noah's flood but in deepwoken , completely letting devs take a better step into the games future after what it has done

It's so hard to balance the feeling of current deepwoken because of how many players it has. So many people are gonna be scouring for content that it comes out immediately. Starting out you definitely feel like you're learning from your mistakes, but you've gotten to a point where you're like the duke. If you're experienced enough, the depths simply don't hold you down and then all you're kind of left with isn't much since you've explored as much as you could

i remember when i started playing deepwoken in 2023, i was clueless asf and i was so scared of getting wiped and lose most of my stuff but now im not even scared of wiping and if i want to i can just look at wiki how to progress fast but i rarely play this game cause i well damn know ill get my ass whooped by a random guy with op build in like few hits, im still new to the game but ppl like this makes me dont wanna play the game

Ngl I was especially miffed when the “rewarding and slow” parry based style kinda disappeared cause I was legit hoping it to be like oldwoken pvp and I was originally crazy hyped for the complete mantra customization they promised ;-;

To this day there is no in-game explanation of what perfect casting is LOL

Theres a new game coming out called "Vinro Saga" That game has a cool parry system ngl there devs actally listen to players 2

They gotta gut the rates of enchants and all rare items for like a month or two because even trading is dead

The problem with deepwoken for me is definitely the lack of exploration. I loved games like verdant moon, where the vibe of the game and exploration were very fun. In deepwoken however, i have explored everything there is to explore. The updates consist mostly of new end game stuff (new mantras, weapons etc.) The devs said they dont want to just add ''the next island'' when that is literally how the game is currently. You dont see any level 1 freshies at starswept valley. The devs just need to stop this hypocritical thinking and add something new to explore.

exploration and the idea of getting better as I slowly conquered permadeath and each enemy was fun, though I stopped playing due to the anxiety of permadeath I came back because of my friends, not for the same Soulslike exploration, but because of the PvP and PvE content everyone I know only plays for the PvP aspect, which is fine, but I sometimes miss the old vibes. deepwoken is artistically beautiful now, but the state of the game is sad

by the way do you actually think they’re gonna release a pre release version of the game? cuz that would be peak and i wanted to ask if you know anything else about it

yeah dude, they gotta remove enchant stones and laplace, make enchants rare again 💀 also please make stuff rarer, i have 14 storms eyes and sell/give away railblades, grans, and ignitions deepcrushers away just cause they’re so common edit: oh yeah lfts too, they’re so forgettable 💀💀

i honnestly want archmage to just release the pre release deep cuz it looked so cool and different to the one we see now

good video cook again

i hate the fact they made enchants so common because it used to be so cool finding an armour enchant and now its just free notes

This vid actually made me rly sad

It's sad seeing Deepwoken become something it shouldn't have been. As if it's an empty husk of it's former self. It feels against it's own nature and I hope the developers realize this someday.

i suggested before releasing a old version of deepwoken just so we can see if it was flawed or not

The combat looked a lot more fun Parrying and m1ning is not necessary to win a fight anymore, and it looked so clean before the game released

Feels like the only way to play an actually good adventure game is to make one. The deepwoken devs certainly arent interested in exploration anymore. I might be working on a lil somethin, but its too early on to say anything.

Even if deepwoken hid updates i can’t lie first 1-3 days it would be found out unless they add super specific conditions (Example contractor, Maestro, Oaths on release of layer 2) and i think personally the super specific condition stuff would be obsolete if its trying to balance things out with the other easier to obtain stuff

if they add world events and balances the attunement glaze the game becomes fun again

Perma death is annoying for experienced players and hell for new players, die once and instead of being able to go back and see what you died to and make another attempt easily you're scared of going to the depths and have to waste time leveling up or powering up.

An older version of deepwoken like arch mentioned is very exciting for me as I really do not like the current state

Whatafa bro i talked about old deepwoken as a release yesterday just before archmage wrote that i think he has infiltrated my friend group

stitching in lore game is still one of the funniest things on roblox to me (while also making it so that I can enjoy the game)

I kinda hope something like linnveil wont go for the perma death path bc your Game doesnt have to be perm death to be Hard or cool looking omp

Deepwoken still feels like an adventure to new players As for the artstyle id say just move down the flashy enchant effects

i feel like you should be capped at 5 mantras to make the game less spammy and mantra based so people focus on m1s more

I hope Veilbound devs hold up to their words, saying that players will influence change to the game's world

This says everything I ever wanted to say about deepwoken's lore, all of this game's lore is either in books with the exact same formatting and 0 individuality, or through lore drops in unprofessional discord messages. It's all just a cluttered and unorganized mess. And don't even get me started on the state on some of the characters in this game, actually just terrible 💀 hope u reach 3k

navae's retribution is one of the only quests that are actually fun, you fight with a revengfilled navaen and you beat the shit out of the authority

the fact that they know damn well that people like it when they add secrets but hardly do anything with that knowledge, I can even count the amount of time they added secrets to the game after verse 2 with 1 hand.

when deep released i was anticipating what the old game was and i was honestly just let down even waiting until the game dropped by refreshing the page, i was waiting for over 2 years for it to release and i was just disappointed and i keep telling myself that i like what the game is regardless but i honestly dont

finally someone who addresses how the newer mantras are just outrageous and complete stray away from the simplistic (but nice) verse 1 mantras

i feel like this issue also has to do with the way we start playing deepwoken music is a big part of the feel of deepwoken as we play the game more lots of deepwoken players eventually turn off music they also removed major parts of the progression before in verse 1 sure progression took longer but that gave you something to work towards and you could prog with your friends and have fun. i feel like in verse 2 they made progression more irritating by making it 3 times as easy talents you had to go do quests for are now handed out after hitting lvl 2 you no longer have to journey to hive to wash your face you no longer need to do the gale stone quest for your weapon uncap progression now is just doing trial of one going to depths getting lvl 18 then doing duke till lvl 20 getting bell and fighting kaido for ardour thats really it when in verse you there was all sorts of ways to prog with your friends and verse 1 progression just really felt more memorable there was funny moments there was sad ones too verse 1 progression had alot more to offer than verse 2 proggression

they really just let it devolve into a "create your own neon anime cosplay with op abilities"

I remember getting shadowcast day 2 of deepwoken and feeling like a GOD cause no one had any idea and was just to afraid of the depths. the game is so fucked with testers just... releasing all the info about the game day 2 of it being released, i feel like testers should be allowed to for at least a week or two make any guides on new content like any MAJOR updates and just have the community figure it out on our own.

They Schould make the game look more old make the effect look not so glimpy and make the whole world mare dark like a medieval dark theme but just my opinion

My problem with the game rn is that most of the updates are JJK references and I like the anime too. And the fact that you have to close Deepwoken whenever you lose 3 skulls in arena to enter depths, sometimes you just wanna wipe slots but still do some pvp.

If distractions to the pverwod were not there pvp grips in overworld would happen less?

Coming back to the game after a while, and its quite disappointing to see the game fall into this "metamancer", enchant focused idea where the player themselves feel detached from the world their playing in.

9:08 also litteraly every new element path is just to look fancy black flames ( edgy ) blue - purple thunder (fair) white gale ( fair 2 ig ) RED ICE?

i prefer the current deepwoken more than that og one because i found it really difficult to buy training gear as a freshie who cant parry, block and dodge.

me personally as a new player i think the games great, expect getting killed in the depths by a max lvl player T_T, event bosses would be really sick like just randomly getting jumped by a mutated owl or smth, i feel like theres alot of quests in the game but no real point to do them since theres insanely fast ways to get lvl 20, like my friend once said his fastest time to get max was like an hour or smth

They should add a weeklong event of the Authority and Etris having all out war like I'm talking Fort merit being swamped with authority the Etris guy outside of fort being dead meteor isle being authority and at the end of it ether Etris or some other island has a great drowning from the deaths and over use of song

In my opinion, the game’s weakness is 9 devs all trying to have the inputs implemented instead of being told no and staying strictly to the scope of what the game is supposed to be.

Conquest definitely wont just be some stupid gamemode entirely outside of overworld, they DID say it would contain “rewards”

I think the main thing about deepwoken combat is the “parry system” theres nothing really rewarding for parrying yet its essential, practically a perfect block if anything. Tbh it should have more consequences for getting parried and whiffing it rather than just the fact the attack was negated

i feel like the anime mantras arent really that big of a deal since they tend to be 3 stars or really high requirement mantras so being over the top is a bit expected, i feel like they wouldnt be so annoying if the effects didnt completely fill the screen every time they are used