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Was Snow Leopard 10.6 greatest macOS release ever? An OS X essay

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Жыл бұрын

OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard long has been held as the gold standard for OS X/macOS releases. It's not uncommon to hear people to this day laud Snow Leopard as the best version of any Apple OS. There's been a felt attempts to contextualize why Snow Leopard was so loved with solid points but they fall a bit short.
Corrections:
OS X's kernel is from Mach from NeXTSTEP, which NeXSTEP borrowed additional kernel layers and low-level user space code derived from parts of BSD .
Written version (with sources)
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0:00 Opening
0:39 Snow Leopard: The Myth, The Legend
1:27 OS X 10.0 - 10.1 Cheetah and Puma CORRECTION based off NeXSTEP Kernel (see corrections)
2:13 OS X 10.2 Jaguar aka "Jagwire"
3:03 OS X 10.3 Panther
3:40 OS X 10.4 Tiger
4:31 OS X 10.5 Leopard
4:51 OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard
9:16 Macs, iPods, iPhones, iTunes and Steve
10:10 OS X 10.7 - 10.8 - Lion and Mountain Lion
10:51: OS X 10.9 Mavericks
12:55 OS X 10.9 Mavericks Virtual Memory Compression and other tech
15:07 OS X 10.10 Yosemite
15:36 OS X/macOS 10.11 - 10.14 El Capitan, Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave
16:26 Windows 8 - 10
18:03 macOS 10.15 Catalina, a period of regression
19:11 A gated community: Big Sur / Monterey
20:24 The Crux
21:41 Disclaimer
21:54 Bonus Content! Upscaled Desktops!
In this video, my goal is to explain why Snow Leopard was the most loved OS X release but more importantly what version of OS X I'd argue was the high water mark for OS X ;)
This video has been a labor of love from someone who's used every version of OS X including the beta (which I bought back in the year 2000), who's somewhere between Mac aficionado and Apple skeptic, and author of a few popular online guides related Apple hardware. My first Mac of my own was a PowerMac G3 (in 1999), and since I've owned a PowerBook G3 Pismo, G4, G5, Mac Pro 2008, MacBook 2007 white, MacBook 2008 (Unibody), Mac Pro 2010, Mac Pro 2019, and an M1 Max. I also have had work provided MacBook Pros for years (2013, 2015, 2017, 2021). I even built a short lived hacktinosh. I say this not to brag but rather to say, I've experienced OS 9 and especially OS X on quite a bit of hardware.
Everything in this video is from my own lived experience, from bouncing around between esoteric web browsers in days before Safari, like Omniweb, Chimera/Camino, Mozilla, and dual booting to OS 9 to run Photoshop 5.5. OS X/macOS is the glue that keeps me bound to Apple's computers as if Apple were to magically offer macOS for any hardware, I doubt I'd ever bought another Apple desktop post 2010.... and it shouldn't be that way.
Lastly, 10.6 was a great release of OS X. Don't get it twisted.
Please share this video if you enjoyed it as it's taken far far far too much time to make.
Bonus Content!
Every OS X (macOS) 10.6 Snow Leopard Nature Desktop - in Glorious 5k Resolution
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Every OS X Snow Leopard Abstract Desktop - in Glorious 5k and 8k Resolution
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Links:
The Mac, The Myth, The Legend: How Snow Leopard became synonymous with reliability
9to5mac.com/20...
Early Benchmarks Of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion
www.phoronix.c...
Snow Leopard vs. Lion: Performance head-to-head
www.cnet.com/c...
OS X 10.9 Mavericks: The Ars Technica Review
arstechnica.co...
Future is a gated community (my reaction to the 2013 Mac Pro announcement in 2013)
blog.greggant.c...
Wanna talk retro Mac OS/OS X with a small group people? Check out The Tech Corner run by fellow KZfaq creator, Quinn of Tech Corner. It's where I talk tech.
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Credit to Apple.com for certain device images. Credit to Apple for WWDC/Macworld footage.
Video/Music/Editing by me. FCPX/Motion/Pixelmator Pro/Sketch/Cubase/Ableton.
Topics covered in passing:
Mac gaming, Steve Jobs, nVidia, planned obsolescence, walled garden, future of the Mac

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@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Correction: 1:37 "Based off the FreeBSD Kernel" - This is only partially correct. As many of you have pointed out, OS X's kernel is based on a heavily modified version of the Mach Kernel with portions from the FreeBSD kernel, which formed the XNU kernel for NeXTSTEP.
@El.Duder-ino
@El.Duder-ino Жыл бұрын
That's correct as Jobs brought all the "know how" with the key devs with him when he returned back to Apple from Next company he founded and which played a crucial role in reviving Apple and getting it back to its feet to it is right now. Mac OS X was therefore a culmination and collaboration of both exNext and Apple devs.
@Bawkr
@Bawkr 3 ай бұрын
The reason why Snow leopard is cool is it still had the aqua scroll bar. Graphical user interface rather than solid color fill user interface. It was vista way before vista, visually speaking. It's the end of that era which kicked off with beta OS X
@Satchel1992
@Satchel1992 Жыл бұрын
Snow leopard was the first version of osx I ever used. So it holds a special place in my heart as one of the best os’s ever made.
@wyleong4326
@wyleong4326 Жыл бұрын
Same here. I still have the CDs. Maybe it’s time to fire up this baby again.
@KeyboardBuster
@KeyboardBuster Жыл бұрын
Me too. In the beginning of 2020, a friend of mine (Roy) introduced me to a buddy of his and we went over to his place. Roy's buddy had a 2010 21.5" iMac face down in some junk. I asked about it and he said he didn't want it because it was broken and stripped of the HD. It was my first iMac. I took it apart, cleaned it, upgraded the i3 to an i5, replaced the missing Apple HD bracket, put in a brannd new WD Caviar Blue 500GB SSD. No RAM, so I put in 2x 4GB and 2x 2GB sticks for 12GB RAM.There in the DVD drive was the original Apple restore DVD. The Snow Leopard intro was the first one I ever seen, and this is the first 1080p screen I ever owned (other than my TV). WOW! Sadly Roy would pass away in 2022 from alcoholism. He was only in his early 60's.
@bstaznkid4lyfe392
@bstaznkid4lyfe392 11 ай бұрын
And was the last OS to cost $29.
@manuel0578
@manuel0578 7 ай бұрын
My first one was Tiger in 2005 on the last iBook model ever made 😊
@davejohnsonmusic
@davejohnsonmusic Жыл бұрын
Mavs was pretty badass. It was so solid for audio production, that I didn't move from it for years. I still have my SL 10.6.3 retail disc back home. Thanks for the trip down memory lane Greg. That never gets old and you do a great job at presentation.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
That's pretty cool, I think I have only not-for-resale Snow Leopard.
@TheBlueOwlX
@TheBlueOwlX Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Tiger, Snow Leopard, and Mavericks were great releases.
@WhittyPics
@WhittyPics Жыл бұрын
Mavs were the last OS for many of the older Macs like the 2009 iMac my wife had
@TiagoFerreiraMarques
@TiagoFerreiraMarques 6 ай бұрын
I STILL have a Mavericks partition ready when I need ProTools /Mbox. It was the first upgrade I made from Snow Leopard - and loved it. Then El Capitan, High Sierra and (forced and unhappy with it) Catalina.
@MichaelSidneyTimpson
@MichaelSidneyTimpson Жыл бұрын
People just liked Snow Leopard because it was the last OSX supporting Rosetta (1), so a lot of people refused to upgrade, just like those with PPCs refused to upgrade from Tiger due to its ability to still run an OS9 layer.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Yeah that’s come up in the comments and it’s a valid point, wish I’d mentioned that in the vid.
@Bukki13
@Bukki13 Жыл бұрын
And how people like me refuse to upgrade from mojave because it‘s the last one to provide a 32-bit compatibility mode of sorts for older programs/games
@benruniko
@benruniko Жыл бұрын
I agree. Losing my Rosetta support lost some of my favorite software forever.
@johnsmith-js9nv
@johnsmith-js9nv Жыл бұрын
Buy a Mac that will run the software that you want to use - if that software is still useful. They are easily available and not expensive compared to modern hardware. A Quicksilver (sub $200 on eBay) or Mirror Drive Door will run whatever OS9 or early OSX programs you want.
@ThePeter567
@ThePeter567 Жыл бұрын
The OS actually seemed more fun also, due to the intro video being removed in 10.7 and other stuff that made 10.7 seem more boring
@jamesburland
@jamesburland Жыл бұрын
You had to be there. Snow Leopard was everything done right. There will never be a more perfectly crafted Macintosh operating system.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Ha, but I was ;)
@NickSiekierski
@NickSiekierski Жыл бұрын
The most surprising part of all this was that you aren't sitting on at least 100k subs, great video! I got my first MacBook in 2008 so the Snow Leopard release the following year always ties to happy memories of a new, stable and refreshing computing experience and leaving the then-hated Windows of the previous decade behind. I agree that Mavericks was the tops of that era, and it had perhaps the all-time best-matched system wallpaper, that wave perfectly conveyed the speed and power lurking beneath your fingertips.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
KZfaq is a funny place, I can’t tell if I’m doing good or bad as I’ve seen people complain about only 50 subscribers after a year and others complaining about one video going viral getting a million views and all their other content like in the hundreds. In any case I appreciate it. Yeah snow leopard was pretty fantastic to be fair but I just was working full time as a ux dev when mavericks dropped and it made my life so easy as I had resolution independence on any display, not just my MacBook Pro.
@resolversoftware5088
@resolversoftware5088 Жыл бұрын
I bought my polycarbonate macbook at the day it was released and even received free copy of it.Otherwise the license was like 30$ at the time.Very stable OS absolutely.
@thorbio
@thorbio Жыл бұрын
Catalina dropping 32-bit support is a thing I can never forgive
@papi-tjulo
@papi-tjulo Жыл бұрын
For me mojave is the end boss
@samuel-wankenobi
@samuel-wankenobi Жыл бұрын
To be fair I can see windows doing it in another 15 years
@themacintoshnerd
@themacintoshnerd Жыл бұрын
@@papi-tjulo I love the newer Mac hardware but I really want to run Mojave on my M2 Mac Mini.
@jakeyounglol
@jakeyounglol Жыл бұрын
same. i also hated that ios 11 dropped 32 bit app support
@FelixAn
@FelixAn Жыл бұрын
This is why I still haven't upgraded past Mojave yet!
@jonesing4fame922
@jonesing4fame922 Жыл бұрын
After Steve Jobs passing, the Mac community desperately needs you to be on Apple's payroll as Steve's successor! Amen!
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Ha, I’m just a mid tier ux developer with a Louis Rossmann sized chip on his shoulder for right to repair. I’d last a day before Apple’s share holders revolted after declaring the App Store would lower its share to 10% and dedicate more resources to removing scam apps, switch iPhones to USBc, open up the h2 chipset to 3rd party licensing for earbuds, and announce a commitment to right to repair, modularity, and support to reduce ewaste.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Actually pretty sure this the more likely scenario: No name Ux developer / wannabe youtuber given $2.7 million by Apple, declares "I was wrong about their products". Professes the walled garden "keeps us safe" from hotel balcony in Marseille via FaceTime. He was last seen boarding a 105′ Mangusta Yacht with two 20 something females, a case of Chateau red wine, after exiting his BMW.
@yosherinferari2631
@yosherinferari2631 Жыл бұрын
One day very soon I also believe private ownership is needed I will always say Apple in the first name in creativity and needs paired with the first name in high-fidelity
@sirfabyan
@sirfabyan 4 ай бұрын
putting snow leopard on my hackintosh at 12 years old was probably my biggest tech accomplishment at the time lol, loved that OS
@GrandmaHasDied
@GrandmaHasDied Жыл бұрын
I worked for Apple support during Yosemite’s launch. It was beyond painful. All our Macs in the call centre were upgraded to a Yosemite golden master release just ahead of the official launch; so we’d be familiar with it before customers got their hands on it en masse. Crashes and performance issues were a constant in the office. It wasn’t uncommon for reps to be stuck rebooting their iMacs several times a day. The people calling in didn’t fair much better. Most of my Mac-related calls were users who wanted to downgrade back to Mavericks.
@syncondis
@syncondis Жыл бұрын
Same here...people hated the new look/icons and didn´t know how to pronounce Yosemite (in the Netherlands). My 2008 blackmacbook still works on SL (downgraded it from lion) and used with a projectmix i/o for audiorecording.
@OldFordTaurus
@OldFordTaurus 9 ай бұрын
I used Yosemite and didn't have an issue on my mid 2009 imac. I then upgraded to El capitan. No issues there either.
@zenmog
@zenmog 7 ай бұрын
@@syncondis I always thought it was pronounced yoh-zuh-might, I had no idea I’ve been pronouncing it wrong all this time lol.
@michaelmanus7765
@michaelmanus7765 Жыл бұрын
I had to smile at the mention of Microsoft Vista. At work, we had to examine it as a potential OS and that is when I made the personal jump to Apple Macs. I grew up in the early days of DOS and when Windows was not on every computer. Of recent, I had made mention how there was a time when OSX, even with its foibles was a fun OS for home users. You covered some of those OSs here and that is appreciated.
@errorsofmodernism7331
@errorsofmodernism7331 Жыл бұрын
When Tim Cook took over Apple's priority became emoji genders and shades and product quality took a dive
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
That wasn’t exactly just Apple, as the Unicode Emoji standards dictates that. Apple probably submitted a few but also so did MS, Google, Facebook, yahoo and anyone maintaining a emoji library. I can’t imagine that takes away much from development rather any quality dips are conscience choice by apple (like not delaying a launch) with the resources they have.
@askhowiknow5527
@askhowiknow5527 Жыл бұрын
Snow Leopard, Lion and Mountain Lion: a triad was the best
@MaxSebastien
@MaxSebastien Жыл бұрын
I do agree with this. Mavericks was the most stable system I used. Running daily Pro Tools and Traktor on a MBP 2008I had only one issue when my hard drive died.
@XstonedmonkeyzX
@XstonedmonkeyzX Жыл бұрын
I WAS JUST THINKING of old Mac OS versions this week, and the gift of the OLD WALLPAPERS was the best thing ever for waiting till the end of a video hahaha 💪
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Much better than the usual annoying the usual sponsor segment or some doof asking for Patreon money. Although to be fair, I don’t have sponsors so not like I have really a concern :)
@MacinMindSoftware
@MacinMindSoftware Жыл бұрын
10.6 was a milestone release which I appreciated more once 10.7 came out. 10.6 was a pause on features to polish and streamline. I held many Macs back on 10.6, especially unattended/server or limited use Macs. One 10.6.3 Mac has been running audio 24/7 for 12 years with only a reboot to take it out and clean the dust out every year or two. I greatly admired the technical improvements with 10.9 and was excited for it, but, it was a nightmare for my case with audio. coreaudiod was hanging and going silent for users of my software. It required a kill command to bring it back and a relaunch of the affected apps using it. It was not fixed until 10.10! It was a very challenging time of uncertainty of whether I could have a reliable software product and stay in business. 10.10 was the first OS to give us AVFoundation support which I believe started on iOS. I was so glad to drop support for 10.9 and amazingly I can still support 10.10 - 13.0 (9 OS releases) with the same build. 10.14 was the next milestone to hold Mac back on, here again appreciated more with the release of 10.15. Other than that 10.9 experience difference, I agree, that's how we lived through it and see it now in retrospect.
@xX_cumtech_Xx
@xX_cumtech_Xx Жыл бұрын
Finally someone talks about Mavericks! I still use it to this very day: I love the design, the feel, the speed, everything.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
I felt like Apple got a little carried away with the color vampire look and less recognizable icons. Uniform icons may "look" cleaner but at the cost of UX.
@xX_cumtech_Xx
@xX_cumtech_Xx Жыл бұрын
@@dmug I wish they could go back to the skeuomorphic design they nailed back then. Now with the simplistic design , it just feel like any other company’s product.
@Thirsty_Fox
@Thirsty_Fox Жыл бұрын
How do you find software support? I'm torn between Mavericks, Windows, or Linux on a '13 MacBook Air since Big Sur runs quite poorly on it. But the purpose of an OS is to run software, so if I can't install much, it won't be any good.
@reanimationxp
@reanimationxp 11 ай бұрын
@@xX_cumtech_Xx They fired Scott Forstall for refusing to sign an apology letter for Apple Maps. He told them not to beef with Google and that TomTom data sucked. They didn't listen, and he refused to apologize to the public for the offensive end product they forced him to work on and make, so they canned him. He was the father of skeumorphic design, and just to spite him, they had Jony take over and remove it all. You can thank Jony Ive and Tim Cook. They're both petty pieces of shit. It's well known that Steve "protected" Forstall while he was alive. Once he was gone they wasted no time in removing him and his legacy.
@mokMan23
@mokMan23 10 ай бұрын
as a mac user since circa 2015 and an aspiring retro mac collector, you've perfectly put into words why i have a soft spot for legacy macOS. i bought an M1 mac mini almost two years ago now to replace my 2018 gaming PC (which has now broke) and its been incredibly reliable for me, only kernel panicking a few times, and nearly every time was on beta software. apple silicon is seriously impressive tech ESPECIALLY for the price, but the planned obsolescence is a HUGE concern for me.
@RobloxianX
@RobloxianX Жыл бұрын
Tiger, Snow Leopard, and Mavericks will always be the big 3 in my heart. They were the versions of Mac OS X I grew up with, and I loved them to bits. I still use my Mid 2009 Mackbook Air (The last one with the flush design before the 2nd gen re-design) with Mavericks. I just love the design of the hardware, and the software is just perfect. Pure platinum.
@themacintoshnerd
@themacintoshnerd Жыл бұрын
I loved Mavericks. Even on a iMac7,1 with only two gigabytes it absolutely sung made that computer felt like a brand new machine on Mavericks.
@jfmezei
@jfmezei Жыл бұрын
Snow Leopard was the last release before Apple exited the server market. And this also ment slowly removing "unix" services/apps under the hood until "server" became an app. And then Apple started the "back to mac" thing to make a Mac look like an iphone, andded the idiotic semi transparent windows etc. So Apple embarked in glitz in the UI which made subsequent releases vfar less "computer". My teenage 2009 Xserve is still at Snow Leopard and it will be replaced by a Linux box because Apple is no longer in that market. I've been updating some of the open source components (web, mail , php, mysql).
@miwittwer
@miwittwer Жыл бұрын
one aspect I didn‘t saw you metioning at all is the fact that SnowLeopard was a maintenance Update. No new features to the Enduser except Exchange Support. All other Changes were similar to those in Mavericks but not in termes of efficiency it was in term of performance and it was a really great experience…
@reanimationxp
@reanimationxp 11 ай бұрын
Excuse you. The OP left out a major, major end user feature: Window resizing from any corner or side of the window.
@TheWuffball
@TheWuffball Жыл бұрын
I still have my CD for it
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
No clue if I still have mine, it wasn’t retail, came with my Mac Pro
@transitengineer
@transitengineer Жыл бұрын
I also, still have my Snow Leopard CD. In addition, daily I still use OS X 10.6 on some of my Apple vintage desktop and laptop systems (smile...smile).
@nwmusic2010
@nwmusic2010 Жыл бұрын
The very first Mac I bought on my own had snow leopard installed from the factory. I LOVED it.
@harrybryan9633
@harrybryan9633 5 ай бұрын
What made 10.6.8 beloved was it was the last version that had Rosetta. That was the reason that 1/3 of the user base was still on 10.6.8 when Sierra was released.
@dmug
@dmug 5 ай бұрын
Others have pointed that out and I wish I would have mentioned that.
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad I’m not the only one who HATED Yosemite. Up until that release every OSX release felt like an improvement. 10.10 ruined the UI with its ‘flat’ bullshit ported from iOS. It also introduced so many bugs and design issues. I’m a software developer and the 10.10 release broke all of our software with crashes and licensing issues. What a nightmare that month was. I also hate Apple’s ruthless drive to drop ‘legacy’ technology support like X11, PPC, 32bit, HFS/HFS+ and x86 emulation. They do this purely to force upgrades and drives sales.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
I’m a web dev by trade and it mangled my internet connection speeds. Id often 10-15k a second down and I was in the middle of an annoying project for AT&T. Learned my lesson about updating mid project, a reboot would buy me time and I was able to do the mdnsresponder hack replacing DNSresponder which was a life saver. Also I had issues with certain apps needing updates with Yosemite too which tracks with what you just said. Pretty dead on the last point. Just really sucks for us end users.
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 Жыл бұрын
@@dmug Apple yanked a bunch of SSL certificates from the keychain without notice. That caused us the biggest grief as it broke all of our licensing and payments overnight. All these Mac users upgraded and suddenly couldn’t log in. They also removed an interface font that had been standard since OSX 10.0. This caused our software to fall back to some default font that look awful. We had to hurriedly re-engineer a lot of products and services. We had to bundle with the app the certificates Apple had removed. There were also crashes with basic stuff like file dialogs so we had to hack in replacements. The whole thing was a fucking nightmare requiring lots of late nights and it cost the company a lot. We almost stopped developing for Mac after that.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
@@kirishima638 oof I've never done Mac dev but have contributed on iOS apps using React Native (yeah yeah, I know web guy) and there's always something being changed that is infinite headaches. Apple requiring for Apple sign on was certainly an interesting as we worked on a healthcare app, and they supported another sign on service and originally Apple wanted the Apple sign on to be required. Took a back and forth to land on it wasn't required in our case. I don't envy full time Apple-anything developers. I imagine right now SwiftUI is a hot topic among your team, not looking so great from what I've heard.
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 Жыл бұрын
@@dmug yep another team is transitioning to Swift. I’m not a fan.
@TheEloquentEye
@TheEloquentEye Жыл бұрын
Since 10.6 they destroyed the Ken Burns screensaver, Expose looks messy now, Spaces was not forced on you, Colour was removed from the sidebar just making things take longer to find, Wallsaver apps dont work anymore, cant hide menubar anymore, full screen apps dont expose anymore. There are literally 100's of downgrades since snow leopard.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Ha, I think this is the first time I’ve heard a complaint about the screen saver or spaces being forced. Ars Techica I think described the removal of color on the side bar as being struck “color vampire”. That one as a UX dev certainly tracks with me as color is an easy way to make fast visual cues. A monochromic palette may be more aesthetically pleasing and less clashing but lowers the UI legibility.
@peporgan
@peporgan Жыл бұрын
Nice video. My favourite OSes are still Tiger and Snow Leopard. I love using them both, so clean and efficient, a real joy. Sure, I miss Airdrop, but that's ok on old Macs anyway. I'd use Jaguar honestly for the aesthetic, but there just isn't enough app support, and it runs a little slow. Slight video correction: the Mac Pro 1,1 doesn't officially support Windows 10. None of the classic Mac Pros (2006-2012) officially support Win 10.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Apple doesn’t officially support it, but windows sure does. Just pop in a dvd and watch the installer go brrr…. That was my experience with the 2008 Mac Pro as well, also not bootcamp supported but windows worked fine.
@marklsimonson
@marklsimonson Жыл бұрын
Snow Leopard is the most recent Mac OS that is able to run PPC apps (via Rosetta). I have it on an old 2009 MBP just for that feature.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
It’s sad apple didn’t keep around longer as an optional download. I have it as VM for the rare occasion I need it but also a great point I forgot about.
@Vlamat67
@Vlamat67 22 күн бұрын
@@dmug Rosetta can be installed from the SL installation disk
@GuillermoPaulman
@GuillermoPaulman 12 күн бұрын
I have Snow Leopard on my 2011 MBP and I play Tomb Raider for PPC on it :)
@Uejji
@Uejji Жыл бұрын
OS X was based on the XNU kernel, not FreeBSD. XNU was derived from Mach and was used in NeXTSTEP.
@brandonspies
@brandonspies Жыл бұрын
You have so many valid points and hit the nail on the head so many times in this vid! As a fellow 7,1 Mac Pro owner I know you shiver over what the future holds for a 5k entry price tag machine. I bought mine only a month before they announced Apple Silicone. I'm worried about the minimum amount of support given for a device I spent so much money on. I justified it remembering the amount of money I spent on my 5,1 nine years earlier, remembering how much use my 5,1 saw in 9 years, understanding inflation, and realizing hardware of the base model is at a higher level than the entry model 5,1 was in 2010. When I bought it prior to the Apple Silicone announcement I expected to get 7 years support, and maybe 10 years unofficial support. Apple needs to tread lightly in this territory with the release of the 8,1 and Apple Silicone transition. It would not benefit Apple to burn Mac Pro users as we're the most loyal fan base. We were already treated badly during the 6,1 trash can era. Piss us off and they will forever burn their most technical and loyal users, this time likely for good! I will be extremely disappointed if I don't get my 7 years out of my 7,1 because they decided to drop support early out of convenience for them. What's the point of spending extra money buying a customizable, upgradeable Mac if you can't own it long enough to get upgrades in before they drop support?!? If they plan to drop support for the 7,1 early they should be transparent about it when the 8,1 comes out. A hefty trade in incentive for all 7,1 owners would go a long way towards the sting of a short changed cycle. BUT the 8,1 has to be worth transitioning to. A lack luster fenced in upgrade like the 6,1 would be a hard pill to swallow from another angle. (I skipped the 6,1 completely due to lack of PCI expansion and the fact my upgraded 5,1 could keep up with a 6,1) I struggle with how you make an upgradeable Pro level machine with system on a chip architecture outside of what's done with a Mac Studio. What make it a Mac Studio with a couple pci slots for a raid or capture card and call it a day? My eyes will be watching the fall announcement with great anticipation to this answer. I love your walled garden HOA analogy. I feel like in the last few years my walled house has gotten a smaller yard because it was taken to widen the street through imminent domain. If apple doesn't handle this transition well, I'll have to rethink what future purchases look like with apple if I choose them at all. From grand and long term to minimalistic and year to year. Another valid point you had was where I was when I jumped into Mac and where we are now as a possible jumping off point. I walked away from Mac and jumped to PC in 93. I bought a 486pc that was cheaper, and had better compatibility with the rest of the world. In 93 Macs were on the decline and files couldn't even be copied between Mac and PC via floppy in a world before everyone had the internet. Mac had Claris Works, PC had WordPerfect. I was fed up. In 06 I was fed up again with Vista and blue screens of death everytime I tried to do real work on my PC restarted. I found out there was more cross compabilty for how disks were read vs the 90s. Apple introduced the 5,1 iMac and it had boot camp! Suddenly i could share files with other people and use windows still, with the bonus of not needing rebuy all my PC software on Mac like I did when I went to PC! And Snow Leopard was an amazing alternative to Vista! I got an 08 white MacBook, then the Mac Pro and I've had dozens MacBooks sense. But now like you said Windows 10 and 11 have come a long way! Are they perfect? No but they're solid for the most part. But Windows is close enough these days for me to make a jump off with amazing horsepower for my dollar. And build quality of many PCs is vastly improved over 16 years ago! Look at Surface and Razer Blade! Just where does PC hardware land in the next 5 years with the release of Windows on ARM and the success of Mac ARM hardware? We're in a unique transitional point for technology right now. It's hard to know where to be but in the now. I just don't want to buy another 5-6k computer to only be burned by lack of support from the manufacturer.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
It’s gonna really rough for us 7,1 owners not knowing the future of our machines. I can see a future where I have a Mac laptop for development and my work stuff and a PC for… content creation. I never really came from a pc background, my parents had a performa and later a Powercomputing clone, so I never experienced the 486 and pentium eras of PCs. I did have a Pentium M laptop in the mid 2000s during the dark ages for Mac laptops but that’s it. I don’t know how far I’ll ever swing to windows but I need to keep an open mind.
@brandonspies
@brandonspies Жыл бұрын
@@dmug my parents had a LC 520. After having some other Macs. That was our last one. We had a neighbor move in down the street that owned one of those PC clone building businesses that were all the rage at the time. I just started middle school and he was nice enough to let me build my computer myself with the oversight of one of his employees. In the late 90s I actually got a job working for him in high school building computers on weekends, but that was the trail end of the go to a store and have a computer built era. Right before graduation he had to let me go cause business was slow. He couldn't keep up with gateway 2000s eMachines and cheap Compaq machines back then. These cheap machines and his wife getting cancer unfortunately ruined him. I decided to go a different route from programming, or individual system building. I went with networking! Something I knew wasn't going away and made more sense to me. Once I got permission to drill a hole under the house and I put in that old 10 base T coax cable between mine and my parents computer, I was hooked! I couldn't believe how much faster filter transfers were than building floppies or burning CDs! Being a network engineer, I've connected tons of technology and devices to my networks. You get to work with it all! And these days I use my Mac pro for large scale network config testing, large scale traffic simulation and I do a lot of windows emulation. Or I'll emulate Linux to represent a server. Not the m1 Mac's strong suit. I love connecting a VM to one physical interface on the Mac Pro and then communicating with another VM running concurrently on my same Mac Pro on the other physical interface with all kinds of lab hardware in between. It's a great way to test connectivity when studying for certifications. The days of needing a desktop computer are numbered. My Synology NAS does most of my server functions now instead of the cheese grader, and in my post military life I'm trying to get into video editing as well. But heck a MacBook air can even accomplish this task these days. I already own a used Surface Book because I wanted a pen and touch screen and I grab it for most windows things these days. Docks have become much more friendly with Thunderbolt 3. And other than being hit and miss with emulation my 14in MacBook is a solid machine. I'm thinking unless the new 8,1 is SUPER appealing when the 7,1 dies, I might let the traditional tower machine go. I’m also hoarding my 16in Intel MacBook since it’s the last of a breed. I won’t have a second MacBook once it’s no longer supported. Ironically because of Apple’s inflexibility to integrate new technology into MacBooks but the creation of apple silicone technology I have more commuters at once than I ever have before up to this point. I just don't see the upgradeability and customizations that appeal to me with system on a chip design. If you can't upgrades you might as well just work off a laptop. This is most likely where I’ll go in the future baring something that wows or surprises me. 1 Mac laptop, 1 PC laptop and a Synology NAS to handle all my server functions.
@Wol333
@Wol333 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for the awesome work on upscaling the backgrounds!
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Thanks to watching to the end, I think most people miss that.
@Vlamat67
@Vlamat67 22 күн бұрын
@@dmug yes....I own several old Macs with Snow Leopard due to old software that work divinely on them even on a datat core 2 duo with more ram and ssd and when I go back to my MBP m1Max I don't feel a big difference in the use of the interface.... yet how much faster is an M1Max than a 2006 desktop computer?!
@cabbitkisser2620
@cabbitkisser2620 Жыл бұрын
i went to my locale goodwill & was bumming around. then i went over to the cd's to see what they have & i found a copy of snow leopard. i bought it right then & there
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
After making this vid, I bought a boxed copy for $10 on ebay but the shipping was another $10, I'm sure you got the better deal .
@braddahhonu8170
@braddahhonu8170 Жыл бұрын
Let me use it! I don't want to have to spend 100$ ill buy it off you if you want I just really need an OS i can use to start my business.
@freetobe3
@freetobe3 Жыл бұрын
There are two releases I'll forever hold near and dear to my heart: Snow Leopard and Mavericks. Used both in my late 2011 MBP (Post SL but works perfectly with 10.6.8 update). Now I use it with Arch Linux for obvious reasons.
@Robospidera1
@Robospidera1 Жыл бұрын
I can agree with you I use to be so excited about new macOS releases and I haven’t been very excited for a long time. I also liked Mavericks a lot many memories from my experience with it
@transitengineer
@transitengineer Жыл бұрын
This was an outstanding video and, I really enjoyed watching it. For myself OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, is the best of the "cat" operating systems. Because like you stated, it came out at a time when Mac desktop systems were the "central hub" for Apple users. Now, the first, second, and last thing out of the mouth of Tim Cook, is always "and with your iPhone ... your air pods, your Apple watch, your iPad, your etc., etc., etc." the new "central hub" for Apple users is the iPhone. Which, is something that, I never plan to own. In 1996, I started using Apple computers and for all systems within my collection that can support it, I always install a copy of Snow Leopard. Also daily, I still enjoy using this vintage operating system with iLife '09. iWorks, '09, MS Office, and for watching and recording HD over the air movies and TV shows (smile...smile).
@MrCooper83
@MrCooper83 Жыл бұрын
Been using Mac for 13 years and I kind of agree with you. The days when we actually had to pay and download the OS. 🙂 The SL was also a great version with great new features. However I remember when the flat design was introduced I was blown away!
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Kinda agree about the flat ui I debated removing the flat ui bit as that was more iOS 7 than macOS, but eventually I had to finish this video. Also, I’ve felt like I’d pay for macOS if it meant we got longer term support but can’t make that deal with the devil.
@MrCooper83
@MrCooper83 Жыл бұрын
@@dmug "Also, I’ve felt like I’d pay for macOS if it meant we got longer term support but can’t make that deal with the devil." Absolutely. That would be my dream! Anyways, your videos are awesome! I also spend hours reading your website. You seriously invested time into that upgrade guide! Keep up the good job! 🍺🍺
@saimanhussaini2010
@saimanhussaini2010 9 ай бұрын
I like Mac OS X snow leopard because it was the last OS X supporting Rosetta (1), and it also was the first version to introduce the Mac App Store since Mac OS X 10.6.6, a lot of people refused to update their computers and I also refused to upgrade just like those with PowerPCs refused to upgrade from tiger to leopard due to its ability to still run an OS 9 layer.
@chelsona2574
@chelsona2574 Жыл бұрын
I wish the powerPC version of snow leopard had more support. it works but its so limited..pretty buggy also
@resolvanlemmy
@resolvanlemmy Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who absolutely loved Vista? Yet at the same time I always wanted a Mac.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Vista was much like XP really took service packs to bring it around. I had a media pc that ran vista and it really seemed run problem free after Vista SP2 or something. From my perspective, I think the constant pestering for security and people jamming it on old hardware harmed its reputation. it was never able recover from that and followed up by Windows 7 which really was a solid OS and didn’t have significantly higher requirements like Vista did compared to XP.
@resolvanlemmy
@resolvanlemmy Жыл бұрын
@@dmug I only upgraded to 7 in 2011, and being a Vista user for 3 years, it was pretty underwhelming, in fact, the tweaked design language was even more basic and bland. Other than that it's still pretty great. Also, macOS Mavericks is probably the most inconsistent version design wise, like, it came out the same year as iOS 7 yet for some reason it doesn't look alike at all, only some apps got flattened and they look uglier than in Yosemite, yet their icons are still the same, and then the new apps like Maps and iBooks look like total jokes, especially their icons, all this clashed with the skeuomorphic design language of the rest of the OS, and it made transitioning feel not very seamless. Other than that it was probably the best version of macOS I've tried, never owned a Mac, but I've demoed it with my cousin's MacBook Air back in 2014, will never forget it. When I get that 2008 aluminum MacBook, I'm gonna be dual booting Snow Leopard and Mavericks, just because of how fantastic they are.
@spaceowl5957
@spaceowl5957 Жыл бұрын
My first computer was an old white MacBook. I had it on Snow Leopard for the longest time and didn't upgrade but at some point I had to update to Lion for some iPod compatibility. That basically bricked it it became sooooo slow. Maybe one of the reasons why Snow Leopard is so revered is because lots of people used it as a child and have nostalgia for it. But I remember even back when I was younger ppl were always wishing Apple would release another maintanance update that just fixed bugs and made things faster. I think Snow Leopard was even advertised as having "no new features". (Only half way through the video maybe he's about to mention that)
@seanconnathon
@seanconnathon Жыл бұрын
They need to bring back spaces as it was implemented in Snow Leopard... was the best windows management feature of any OS, EVER!
@jefferyjones8399
@jefferyjones8399 Жыл бұрын
Mavericks was what I used on my first Mac. I have a fondness for it.
@Artixou
@Artixou Жыл бұрын
I never owned a Mac, but I did have a Hackintosh, and it was Mavericks. Was a fun time
@MarcosPeralta
@MarcosPeralta Жыл бұрын
My first Mac was a MacBook Pro mid 2009 with Leopard and Snow Leopard was super fast and light. 10.6 was super optimized and Core 2 duo was a great CPU. Even today with OCLP this Mac can run well enough MacOs Monterrey.
@silverdr
@silverdr Жыл бұрын
10.6 was the pinnacle. For programmers there are things improved in later versions but from user point of view it's only downhill from there. Yes, there was a slowdown of the downhill at 10.9 but UX stuff broken in the previous two remained. Oh, and G5 "quad" had no problems whatsoever playing 1080p. That's just nonsense or you had a completely different one than I had 😛
@linuxization4205
@linuxization4205 Жыл бұрын
Even though it was 2.5 ghz and had 2 dual core cpus, I don't think a CPU from 2000/2001 could even handle something like 1080p. Most likely you just had a graphics card installed in it.
@silverdr
@silverdr Жыл бұрын
There was no integrated graphics in those machines. One had to have graphics card installed. But again, the "quad" (2005) had no problems handling 1080p at all, even with the lower specc'd graphics card (there were two options).
@andrewstones2921
@andrewstones2921 5 ай бұрын
Snow Leopard came along just after I switched back to a Mac after using windows since 1997. I stopped using Macs in 1997 due to the horrific build quality of Macs at that time, and for a few years I found Win 98, Windows 2000 & Windows XP to be perfectly usable on good hardware. Switching back to Mac on an Intel Mac and then getting Snow Leopard ( which I bought as an upgrade) was infinitely better than Windows Vista which was terrible. I feel the Snow Leopard era was great, we had decent upgrades in hardware and software and it was an exciting time to be a Mac enthusiast. I should add I stared using Apple with an Apple // back in the 80s.
@dmug
@dmug 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, the mid 90s were a rough time for Apple, our family had a PowerComputing PowerCenter (clone). Apple couldn't seem to get a proper OS update and Windows 2k then XP had preemptive multitasking and protected memory and early OS X was rough. There was a brief span even as a full time Mac user I'd argue Windows had the better experience.
@Ben-rz9cf
@Ben-rz9cf Жыл бұрын
Snow leopard was just the OS where they just had every aspect of the OS nailed and every subsequent release would add or change things that pissed me off while adding very little if anything that felt like a new "feature" and not just a dumb update to safari. Since then, they broke the green expand button, fucked with and finally trashed the skeuomorphism, changed the navigation paradigm. REMOVED many quality of life features, little nuances that made things harder working in finder. Stopped supporting openGL in favor of pushing Metal leaving a great deal of cross platform developers to jump ship because they made it way too friggin hard to port games or apps to which took all the way up to metal 3 which just barely released to even get close to DirectX in terms of viability and still lacks widespread adoption with native apple silicon support still only in beta for unreal engine, a game engine which has been around for over 15 years, and the only salve for mac owners was boot camp --an incredibly inventive and powerful feature which literally gave apple the market share they have which they have since stopped supporting. Fucked with 3rd party developers ability to easily create and implement kernel extensions or plugins, repeatedly fucked up peoples entire setups in final cut or logic pro releasing the highly controversial "X" overhauls which took years to tweak and make viable for pissed off professionals. And honestly the only thing i can really think of that felt like a revolutionary upgrade is something like sidecar. Snow leopard is just the last operating system where apple forgot the adage "don't fix what ain't broke".
@williamlafrance2514
@williamlafrance2514 Жыл бұрын
Great video ! Installed Mavericks on my 2008 macPro, it's still a great OS and I personally love the UI.
@hundehausen
@hundehausen Жыл бұрын
Snow Leopard was for sure the best macOS :D
@transitengineer
@transitengineer Жыл бұрын
I agree Snow Leopard was the best Operating System (OS) period. Daily, I still use it on some of my vintage Apple computers.
@qubex
@qubex Жыл бұрын
I was birthed into my Apple Era way back in the °I Switched° ad campaign with a dual G4 PowerMac and ;OS X 10.2.3 ‘Jaguar’. Coming from Windows and Linux I was absolutely amazed. Happy memories. I distinctly remember the excitement of 10.3 and 10.4. I can’t believe it’s almost twenty years ago now.
@lukey333
@lukey333 Жыл бұрын
os x mavericks was my favourite os x release as well! It always seemed so stable, great performance and battery, and the last of the skeuomorphic os design. I used it for years on my early 2013 13” mbp and didn’t want to upgrade to the new design & many bugs
@jacob-sh8ec
@jacob-sh8ec Жыл бұрын
I dont know why so many people love skeumorphism, it always looks tacky and dated compared to clean (and MUCH more user friendly) modern design, of course simplification can go too far but in the case of macOS flat ui is a huge improvement
@lukey333
@lukey333 Жыл бұрын
@@jacob-sh8ec id argue that skeuomorphic designs are much more user friendly because they’re literally imitating real life equivalents, which everyone knows how to use. I think it’s also a big hit with enthusiasts because it has so much more personality and dimensions than the flat and boring minimalistic designs of modern uis. Like when people tear down old buildings with really intricate architecture and design and then put up a modern building that looks like every other modern design and feels/looks lifeless
@jacob-sh8ec
@jacob-sh8ec Жыл бұрын
​@@lukey333 flat design is better for usability, you obviously dont look at the safari icon and think about how it looks like a compass so it must be for web navigation, you recognise the shape/colour, flat design is better for this because the icon is clearly defined and quickly recognisable. as far as character thats subjective, some people like skeumorphic design, some people think it looks dated and would prefer clean minimalist icons. same with architecture, personally I prefer modernist and minimalist architecture (which if done right has a lot more thought put into it than youd expect)
@iplyrunescape305
@iplyrunescape305 5 ай бұрын
​@@jacob-sh8ecskeuomorph design is superior. Cope.
@DannosStuff
@DannosStuff Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the wallpapers!
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching to the end
@reanimationxp
@reanimationxp 11 ай бұрын
Counter-point to the entire video and a HUGE point you left out: Snow Leopard was the first version of any Mac OS that allowed you to resize windows from ANY corner or side, and not just the bottom right corner. This had previously been a monumental time-consuming pain in the ass and a BAREBONES feature for literally EVERY other OS on the planet dating back to the DOS era. This feature, and this feature alone, turned Mac OS from a silly tech demo for children into a somewhat usable operating system for anyone wanting to migrate from Windows, where we were used to getting actual work done instead of futzing around with the OS all day. This is the one and only reason it is the most-loved OS. It was the rare instance of Apple actually listening to customers and going back on one of their headass decisions, which they never, ever do.
@tonyjohansson8395
@tonyjohansson8395 Жыл бұрын
My personal favourite Mac OS was also Mavericks. Had it installed on my HP Hackintosh until Big Sur. Currently running Big Sur on that Hackintosh. My favourite Windows Os is tied between XP and Windows 7. My favourite OS out of All is Arch Linux.
@vogonp4287
@vogonp4287 Жыл бұрын
I hope that Linux support on Apple Arm chips continues to progress. It would allow people to run a modern os long after Apple officially discontinues support.
@jolness1
@jolness1 Жыл бұрын
The fact that they shitcanned PPC support so soon is a big part of why I upgraded my personal 16” to an M1 Max even though my 8C intel chip was plenty fast for my personal coding projects. I’m betting by next year or maybe 2024, no more intel support. Got out of it only paying $500 to use the machine for a couple years and I can feel confident that I’ll get the newest MacOS through 2026 at least.
@deletingmychannel
@deletingmychannel Жыл бұрын
Snow Leopard was my first Mac OS I used full time when I purchased my first iMac in 2009. I will say that every release since Snow Leopard has not been as stable. I never had an issue with snow leopard. No crashes, no issues. It had a great UI and had that cool intro when ya first bought the computer. I remember Mavericks causing constant issues and bugs. Saying Mavericks is better than snow leopard is subjective and your opinion, not a fact. Imo Mavericks was one of the worst Mac OS I’ve ever used
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Fair enough, I didn’t say it was a fact as it is indeed an opinion and of course is going to be based on personal experiences. I hope that came across. The conclusion shouldn’t be really that Mavericks or Snow Leopard is better, rather most of us want computers reminiscent of the mid-late 2000s now that Apple seems interested in the Mac again.
@redroom6695
@redroom6695 Жыл бұрын
For me Mavericks takes the crown, the most beautiful dock & icons ever.
@marcsmith8146
@marcsmith8146 Жыл бұрын
I started with Mac OS 9.2 which was incredible and I'm now on the latest Mac OS 12.6. With that said, I still believe Snow Leopard is/was the best at least for music/G4 computer to Mac Pro and though it wasn't the fastest, I would say it was the most stable. Now, you mentioned Maverick which was really fast and pretty stable. I upgraded late on this one so, I had to pay for it but, was well worth it for the Mac Pro 2009 tower. By the way, The Mac Pro 2009/2010 5.1 towers were thee best period as far as Mac hardware. Anyway, though Maverick really didn't highlight anything, and was a no thrills OS and best for the 5.1 tower, these new OS's and hardware are so powerful that it's crazy. Now, if we can get the stableness of SL or Mav in the next OS Ventura, I would be 100% happy! Great video!
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the stability of OS X since the transition to macOS naming has been rock solid to me. I can't remember the last time I had to use time machine to do a restore outside of a HDD dying (2015?). These days, the issues are compatibility related and the rough edges of Apple changing its UI, at least for me. Also, it helps that I'm running modern hardware too, M1 Max, M1 Pro (work provided) and a Mac Pro 2019 so my perception is from someone with serious hardware
@GeirEivindMork
@GeirEivindMork Жыл бұрын
I came into macs with os x leopard. I was used to linux, but wanted photoshop. Snow leopard was an optimisation on leopard and ran well, but I went on the subsequent releases and didn't think twice about it until I met several users that clinged to snow leopard like windows users to windows 7. Never know when they moved on, though. I got two mac minis now. a 2012 with user upgradeable ram and disk, and a 2020 m1 with non upgradeable anything. they look almost identical beside the light placement and the ports on the back, both has 16gb of ram but the 2012 can be upgraded to 32. The m1 has a 2tb disk, the 2012 has 512gb but can be upgraded to 4tb if I want to spend twice of what it is worth on it. progress isn't always great.
@vladibarraza
@vladibarraza Жыл бұрын
I used Snow Leopard on a gorgeous white MacBook through University years. I trusted that computer with my life.
@Vlamat67
@Vlamat67 22 күн бұрын
Let's not forget Tiger, released as an update to PPc Macs in 2005, was shipped with all early Intel Macs. I purchased the first MacPro 1.1 3.0Ghz in early October 2006. Then I updated it to Leopard and subsequently to Snow Leopard which I found great: stable, fast, all the apps installed on Tiger worked, even those left only for PowerPc. Only Maverik made me feel that thrill of stability and speed again. Even now that I still have 3 MP 2.1, 3.1 and 5.1 and work steadily on an M1Max, Maverik and Snow Leopard I find them wonderfully excellent. If you then upgrade the RAM to 8Gb and a nice SSD, then you'll fly with these machines. Apple forces its users to update simply by removing app support... for no real reason; see 32bit apps or OpenGL support, minimalist single color icons 🤬. It puts a lot of useless things into the current OS, while it would be sufficient to allow the use of old apps.
@quartz1000
@quartz1000 Жыл бұрын
I used Snow Leopard from 2008 to 2020. No kidding, 2020. That's because I kept upgrading my Macbook white 2008 with more RAM and storage. I loved Snow Leopard because it was fast, reliable and extremely stable. I tried Lion, 10.7 (the latest OS supported by the Macbook) in 2010 for a few months, but it was buggy and much slower. I switched back to 10.6 and stack to it for the next 10 years.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
That’s impressive as browser support died 2013ish for it, meaning it’d been pretty rough surfing the web.
@quartz1000
@quartz1000 Жыл бұрын
@@dmug Not really, Chrome dropped support to Snow Leopard in 2016, with version 49: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Google_Chrome_release_compatibility
@verylongchannelhandle
@verylongchannelhandle 4 ай бұрын
I've BEEEN saying this, Mavericks was amazing!
@commodore256
@commodore256 Жыл бұрын
I remember people reviewing Snow Leopard when it came out, they were pissed they had to pay anything for it because it felt like a Leopard Service Pack and Apple gave out previous versions of Mac OSX for free and I don't recall which one, I'm assuming Mac OS 10.1 or 10.2 because OSX had a rocky start.
@OliasMusic
@OliasMusic Жыл бұрын
Amazing video... Mavericks was such a good OS and - in my opinion - really helped start the transition into the modern Mac era!
@resolvanlemmy
@resolvanlemmy Жыл бұрын
Especially since it was pretty inconsistent in terms of design
@NF30
@NF30 Жыл бұрын
This is great! Exactly the kind of content that I love to see. Could you make a followup video where you rank every version of macOS (10.0 to 13)? I would watch that over and over
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the high praise, I have a video about Nvidia and Apple in the works that you’ll probably enjoy. Stick around for a month or two and it’ll drop.
@reanimationxp
@reanimationxp 11 ай бұрын
he basically just did.
@segaprophet
@segaprophet 10 ай бұрын
Tiger and Snow Leopard were absolutely fantastic, I can't speak for Mavericks because I went directly from Snow Leopard to Yosemite, and after Yosemite, I was so sick of the ongoing direction of OS X that I switched to Windows. I still love my old Macs though.
@NathanChisholm041
@NathanChisholm041 11 ай бұрын
I loved those candy bar icons in OSX the aqua look was their best IMHO...
@TurdInternational
@TurdInternational Жыл бұрын
Also one thing I think you missed is that Mac sales went up drastically during the 08-11 period. Many people either upgraded from Leopard, or jumped in with SL, and the update to Lion probably left a lot of people wanting. Too this day, any questionable OS update, I call a Lion (looking at Ventura here). I skipped 10.7 entirely, and when I got to 10.8, I added in a lot of the things that Apple got rid of; grid spaces, growler (notifications didn't work for me). Pretty sure I managed to disable full screen apps as well. I was still bothered by it though, and ended up skipping everything to High Sierra (which is the last one that ran on my MBP), out of sheer spite for the continuing iOSifcation and locking down Apple seemed to be doing.
@CorporateSycophant
@CorporateSycophant Жыл бұрын
To be honest, I used it for a long time and I never had a single problem with it. It didn't crash, lock up, cause problems with my hardware, and it was fast. I had Lion on a macbook and hated it because it was so buggy. I hated it so much that I created a hackintosh on my PC with Snow Leopard.
@adurrezzak
@adurrezzak Жыл бұрын
I remember not being able to sleep because I was too excited to install Mavericks on VMWare... Good days!
@daniel.valdivia
@daniel.valdivia Жыл бұрын
10.6 felt great because 10.5 was sooooo sloowwww, but they pale in comparisson to 10.4 which in my opinion is the greatest OS X to ever ship
@ArianMozafari
@ArianMozafari Жыл бұрын
Not a popular opinion but 10.8 Mountain Lion was (and still kinda is) my favorite OS of all time. It was rock solid yet super beautiful with that frosty glass dock and premium textures. I know I'm the only one left on this planet who thinks Apple's skeuomorphic design was super beautiful. Mavericks was totally meh on my 2010 iMac, it was feeling totally half-baked which made me downgrade to Mountain Lion, twice. However, those structural advancements are respected.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Personal take: Skeuomorphism are like fins on a car, indicative of an era that's now past tensed. A lot of it was dated metaphors to communicate abstract ideas to analogs in the real world (file folders, cabinets for archives). It became a dirty word as we found superfluous design for the sake of design like Game Center using green felt to resemble a pool table or the address book using leather. However, we've certainly over corrected as I much preferred the old Safari icon and the different shapes, as they were (to me) aesthetically pleasing and easier to visually identify applications. There's merit in both sides..... this might just be a future video.
@ArianMozafari
@ArianMozafari Жыл бұрын
@@dmug Yeah it will be an awesome video! I'd be super happy to see some information regarding the colorful confusing mess of Google app icons.
@iplyrunescape305
@iplyrunescape305 5 ай бұрын
​@@dmugits almost like we need a good balance or EVEN BETTER... Apple make Skeuomorphism aka Aqua an optional theme if you want it. Never understood why it needed to be one or the other.
@arthurhughes42
@arthurhughes42 Жыл бұрын
One of the visiting speakers to my camera club, couldn’t run her Keynote presentation on the club’s MacBook Pro using OS X Yosemite. The only answer I could find was to upgrade to 12 Monterey.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Sounds about correct for Yosemite.
@bentyler999
@bentyler999 7 ай бұрын
lion and snow leopard were essentially tied is what the article actually said. I’ve read user reports of some lion versions being slower than snow leopard.
@brokenelectronics3665
@brokenelectronics3665 Жыл бұрын
First of all, excellent and thought provoking video. Personally, I don't think about the "best version of Mac OS, but rather, my "favorite" version. My favorites, from top to bottom, are. Leopard, Mac OS 9, Big Sur, High Sierra, and El Capitan. I appreciated your shout-out to Leopard as the first modern Mac OS. I have often said the same thing. I too used Panther as my first full time Mac OS. I was very happy with it, and saw no real reason to pay the $120 for Tiger. When Leopard came out, I definitely did. Time Machine, Spaces, and so much more, how could I pass it? I never used Mac OS 9 in it's heyday, but I gained an appreciation fo rit using Classic on Panther. I picked up an older machine that would run it natively, and I loved it. It was light, fast, and did what it did very, very well. In today's world it is very limited, but it can still run those old games really well, and I use it frequently for just that. Big Sur was a very solid release when Apple really needed one. It prepared the way for Apple Silicon Macs, and still ran very well on Intel machines. I loved the nature dynamic wallpaper, as well. I have upgraded to Monterey, since eventually, we all have to, but I do miss Big Sur. High Sierra was the version I most anticipated. It is the one that caused me to jump on the beta channel, to see where it was going. The actual changes were not all that obvious, but APFS was huge, and the tighter integration of the "Apple Ecosystem" was very important. El Cap is a very solid release. It is about as far back as you can go, run it today, and not feel like you are missing out on modern computing. Use an up to date browser and emsil client, and you really can use this OS today, very easily. Clearly, if you were to pick the "best OS on this list, it would have to be Big Sur. However, my "favorite" is Leopard. If, somehow, it could be made to function within the ecosystem, I would be very happy using it regularly.
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Best and favorite I'd say I'm using interchangeably. as its entirely an OpEd about Apple's walled garden under guise as yet-another-right-to-repair-rant by me.
@SpaceMan795
@SpaceMan795 Жыл бұрын
I think 10.6 and 10.14 are the best Mac OS X versions, so both of them are installed on my MacBook Air. 10.14 is for compatibility with the modern applications (btw it is the last macOS with the minimum 2 gb of ram requirement). But when I want to last on battery as long as possible, I boot into 10.6, which is super optimised and extremely fast (it takes less then 5 seconds to fully boot to the desktop from the moment when power button is pressed!) 10.6 is on top because it reminds how good macOS can be: super fast, super energy-efficient, super stable and very beautiful! So it holds special place as the best Mac OS X version in my opinion. 2nd place is taken by 10.14, 3rd by 10.11.
@TheRockingest
@TheRockingest 5 ай бұрын
Loved the video. Sorry I saw it a year after you posted it. I am that mac guy that bought Soundjam MP when it was released. Payed $600 for a SCSI CD burner and had a laser printer having bands come to my place and mixing ProTools then burning CD's for them at on the average 2x speed!! and printing CD sleeve artwork then converting them to mp3's as a bonus! - yeah man! Then waited almost a year for the release of OSX and preordered it. It was a toy and was really just good for playing around with what the future might look like, but hung onto OS 9 until Tiger. Tiger was great - skipped Leopard completely and it wasn't until I bought a used unibody Macbook Pro that I had to purchase Snow Leopard- Tiger was no longer supported. Then again skipped Lion, Mountain Lion because they dropped Rosetta and many of the "wash dry and fold" programs that I used were not supported. I Still have and use a Mac Pro 5,1 and yes I do run Snow Leopard on it as well as Sierra, High Sierra, and Mojave. This week I'm going to make that leap beyond the Monterey threshold and probably install Sonoma because Midjourney announced that it will no longer support Mojave. I subscribed to your channel and will be probably be looking for help. Glad your out there doing your thing!
@dmug
@dmug 5 ай бұрын
I’m happy people still watch this video since it took more effort than most videos to make. Yeah, early OS X was weird. I wish I could find my original OS X public beta cd. That’s how into this I was.
@TheRockingest
@TheRockingest 5 ай бұрын
@@dmug I'm pretty sure I have one of those in a storage unit with the original box.
@MacSoundSolutions
@MacSoundSolutions Жыл бұрын
Incredible Video Greg, nice work!
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ashjcoronado
@ashjcoronado 5 ай бұрын
I would agree with you that Mavericks was arguably the best OS X release ever (in itself being another Snow Leopard type of upgrade over Mountain Lion), but Snow Leopard was just a special release as it came on a time where the Mac was still Apple’s main focus (they were trying to gain marketplace at that point and acquire those iPod and iPhone users that did not have a Mac yet), in addition, the OS was light years away in features, stability and most of all user experience from what Windows was doing at the time and it was not even close, people were switching to the Mac platform in record numbers and for sure it didn’t hurt that Steve was still alive and at the helm of Apple, I was one of those sorry Windows XP/7 users at that time since I couldn’t afford a MacBook being a high school student but always salivated at just how pretty and user friendly Apple’s hardware and software was.
@konaexpress100
@konaexpress100 Жыл бұрын
S L is my all time favorite! I can’t tell you how much I miss it!
@alexanderbosch8189
@alexanderbosch8189 Ай бұрын
Flat-out... YES ! I have been with apple since OS 8 and I loved 9.2.2. And from all versions I have used and worked with, [10.6.8.] was stable, intuitive, consistent in its UI UX and stability. It was work-horse I could read and write with. For simple tasks, for professional tasks. I am longing back for these days. In the wobbly times of OSX I always used Fedora on the side. Now 23 years later I am stuck with a Macbook Pro that I am happy with, except for the long string of flawed operating systems. As of today, I am installing Fedora again and saying goodbye to MacOS. MacOS has become a common luxury item catered to the people who boy apple to be seen with and just send e-mail with and make instagram posts, nog for demanding professionals who use it as a heavy duty tool. Apple should introduce a -professional mode, where it's OS is stripped to strictly running software and managing files.
@canadianpsycho1867
@canadianpsycho1867 Жыл бұрын
ive installed snow leopard on a 13 inch mid 2012 MacBook Pro and late 2012 Mac mini using a modified mach_kernel
@MrMurray88mph
@MrMurray88mph Жыл бұрын
Mavericks forever.. totally agree.. i have the wave as a wallpaper still today
@cassiuscartland
@cassiuscartland 5 ай бұрын
I found a MBA on snow lepoard from 2012, that thing was amazing. also that game center app is so nostalgic
@sam_cs_49er
@sam_cs_49er Жыл бұрын
8:18 Ahhhhh.....that A1181 blackbook was lit
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
The midnight blue M2 Air is so close yet so far....
@ananon5771
@ananon5771 Жыл бұрын
great video, though i don't even use macOS much. also i do find it funny that the benchmark you used to show windows was faster had linux in a major lead (an almost 50% win rate is not too shabby for an OS with 1-3% of the users and a distro not optimized for best performance).
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Oh sure, Linux does take the cake in those tests. That website used to do yearly comparisons and the bulk of the tests are all open source software where Linux is likely to get an edge. Also linux won’t have the bloat of services that run in the background that make macOS and Windows more friendly/usable. It’s an imperfect metric but is interesting to see macOS taking longer than widnows.
@ananon5771
@ananon5771 Жыл бұрын
@@dmug Ubuntu with GNOME is actually not as far from windows or mac as you would think (stuff like KDE and xfce are alot lighter). Though probably a big difference is GCC being always used,
@RAF985
@RAF985 11 ай бұрын
I worked daily with all mac os since classic os 7 and none of them was light, fast, stable, simple and without useless sh*t like Snow Leopard. Miss it very much.
@unicodefox
@unicodefox Жыл бұрын
To me, Mojave is peak macOS. I only started using it with 10.12, so I never got the chance to experience Mavericks, SL, etc, and while 10.11-10.14 didn't bring any major changes, it was wholly improvement, which can't be said about the later OSes, stability really took a drop with Catalina, and I don't think it's still recovered. Big Sur was fine, Monterey was fine on x86, but brought issues on M1 (like disabling booting from external media, which was completely fine on Big Sur). Honestly, Ventura 13 is one of the worst releases in recent history, with the new System Settings app, policy changes that required Google Drive, OneDrive, Dropbox & friends to make their apps completely unusable & stability issues (which could probably be blamed with my switch to M1 (and all the USB/TB related stability issues that come with it), from a Hackintosh)
@dmug
@dmug Жыл бұрын
Mojave was the last OS I felt like Apple had before going nuts with security and bad reasons for dropping support. If I’m not mistaken for apple silicon you have to reduce the security settings for external media booting.
@MrSamPhoenix
@MrSamPhoenix Жыл бұрын
I loved Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard 🐆! It had some bugs (especially one where it erases stuff from your hard drive). But once the point updates came through the OS was stout, fast, intuitive, & extremely stable. Also, it had all the features of Leopard 10.5 but refined them perfectly.
@Enstrayed
@Enstrayed Жыл бұрын
Mavericks undoubtably had the best default wallpaper for any OS ever
@TheMrKocour
@TheMrKocour Жыл бұрын
I kept Mac OS X Mavericks for a very long time. Until the end of 2018. Then I tried El Capitan for a while and then left Mac completely and switched to Linux. I still love to play with my grey G3 with Sonnet G4 and enjoy Mac OS 9 and Tiger. Now I occasionally use Macs on Hackintoshes when I need Adobe products, but only because it's still 10% better than Windows. For me, Apple ended when they started focusing on merging iOS and Mac OS X.
@BrianJones-wk8cx
@BrianJones-wk8cx Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your perspective and will not argue with the notion that Mavericks was a great release, but for Apple hardware of a certain vintage and spec, Snow Leopard delivers a subjective experience that I can’t get with any other release. Boot times-even on spinning rust-rival SSD boots of modern OSes. The number of running background services (out of the box) fits in a single window, no scrolling. The drain on resources doesn’t require the admitted innovation Mavericks brought to the table, because it was a significantly lighter OS to begin with. That’s not to say it’s feature superior, it’s not, and I agree that what we’re all saying is we want a more Mac-centric Apple, but I just wanted to offer my perspective as to why I have such a fondness for Snow Leopard all these later. Owning three machines Snow Leopard-based machines that all still function quite well, it’s just unbeatable for my specific use case. I will have to give Mavericks another test run on my SSD equipped machines. Thank you for your work!
@nicknorthcutt7680
@nicknorthcutt7680 Жыл бұрын
Mavericks was also my favorite Os. It was a truly glorious time.
@TheHouseOfMoth
@TheHouseOfMoth Жыл бұрын
Well made video sir!
@randomdude1053
@randomdude1053 Жыл бұрын
When I was a 10 year old boy In 2011 my family’s first MacBook Pro was the mid 2010 one and it came with snow leopard I remember it so vividly. The intro video was so cool. Amazing OS. Miss it.
@JoTokutora
@JoTokutora Жыл бұрын
I am running Monterey on an Alienware Area 51m Laptop and with a desktop CPU and replaceable GPU. I like the ability to swap components, hence why i built this hackintosh than purchasing the M1
@haraberu
@haraberu Жыл бұрын
10.6 was the best version of OSX *server* - in 10.7 they decided to simplify the server app by removing all the features that the average user didn't need. At the same time, they also abandoned the XServe form factor and of all things pushed the Mac Mini as their new 'server' form factor.
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