Quest was great overall especially in regard to how the twins interactions were written. Seeing their dynamic made the goal of reuniting with our sibling much more interesting to me due to finally being given a solid emotional connection through the interaction which I feel we haven't gotten (atleast not as impactfully) in other quests. A disappointing aspect of the quest was the fact that dainsleif and lumine were completely off screened, not just because we didn't see them fight but because we didn't get any interactions between them. Considering they were travelling companions for who knows long I feel like it was a missed opportunity.

I assume that Caribert deliberately flubbed his first memory change so that Dainsleif would think that he would be able to detect the memory change, then did it correctly the second time around so that Dain didn't realize he got caught and then think to double check on whether or not he still had the orb.

5:20 one way to do this would have been to make a separate cutscene introducing the five sinners with what were their deeds in Khaenria'h. I still don't get why hoyo doesn't do more cutscenes, both Genshin and HSR suffer greatly from the lack of more visual storytelling, but otherwise the main thing I liked about this quest was how short and to the point it was. No random B plots, no overindulgent exposition. Some may see it as an issue that the quest wasn't longer, but to be frank I much prefer it this way than whatever the frick was the 2.2 story in HSR, those 9 hours I shall never get back.

I think the differences in the memories are that one happened, then he woke up. The second happend but why would he question it, he was literally about to do the thing. Its kind of like pulling out a bowl to make food, then imagining you made food, then going back to your room, you only realize you didnt do it if you get hungry, or see the empty bowl later

In regards to the sinners, have you read "The Pale Princess and the Six Pigmes" recently? The 5 sinners and Dan, the six of them each fit one of the six pigmes.

I really liked the quest. It really humanised the abyss sibling for me and also answered a lot of questions regarding the lore while creating a lot more 😂. The new details really made everything click in after the whole Sumeru tinfoil hat theories and started a new type of theories.

I really like the quest but I will say the twins forgetting their memories while it makes sense narratively, it also shouldn’t happen at the same time. Very conflicted on that. One thing I like to mention though is that we’ve seen Aether act a bit more cold as the story kept going and here before the realm disappears, he gets mad at Lumine and says something shocking/hurtful to her that made her widen her eyes. I have a feeling that even if he doesn’t remember, he’s probably gonna get more cold in Natlan and beyond. He better get some love and comfort cause damn does he need it.

I get what you mean about Dain, people had the same problem about Skirk talking about the third descender but overall I'm more happy learning the informations so I don't linger with how it's presented. I'd say we learn more about Dain from the collected miscellany and world quest than those quests, they want save things for the Khaenri'ha chaper which lead to those awkward slow reveals . Earlier I saw someone say that Albedo should be a four star because he's unimportant and realizes how badly Genshin screwed him over , they better cook something amazing for him .

I just subbed last night. Thank God

How is Traveler more tragic than the little kid who was sacrificed by his family? Or the people experimented on by Dottore? Or any number of other people we've learned about? Nahida locked up for 500 years? Anyway, since we are fast coming to the final 2-4 chapters, Genshin should: * tie up loose ends of plots that contribute to the main story, but aren't part of it * begin to trickle intel rather than drip it -- definitely avoid Traveler "forgetting" or "dreaming" intel they need * not introduce so many plots unrelated to the main story. They need to tie in somehow * establish any foreshadowing for things yet to come (e.g., disasters) if that foreshadowing doesn't already exist That's my take on things. We got some info in this Dain quest (though it felt too short) only to have it whipped away from us again. It's possible Traveler does remember (descender) and just isn't sharing with Paimon, but we as players don't know that. I was unhappy with the little bit of lore we got, and maddened when they ripped it away from Traveler at the end. Might as well have Bobby Ewing step out of the shower. (Sorry. Old reference. Just remember my folks were pretty pissed off by that one!) ETA: Foreshadowing is a great example. Dain drops the 5 sinners bomb. We've only heard of 2 of them. That means 3 more people we need info on (or probably can expect to make appearances). Right now I have that bad feeling you get when you realize a series you're reading--that should be approaching the end--just opened up 10 more plotlines, introduced 2 new countries, and 100 new characters, all with intricate plotlines. GRRM, I might be looking at you.

I guess the Dain revealing it may feel a bit off if you look at it as an individual quest but that's not what it is. It's a continuation of the previous quest in which Dain finding out that the Sinner is involved shocks him just as much as it confuses us and he says that he himself needs to confirm it before he can say anything else . The Vedrfolnir being his brother wasn't foreshadowed but how can tou even foreshadow that. Dain shows up once a year and keeps out of sight no natter where he is. There's no way to foreshadow something like that unless you meet one of them before the other has the chance to say anything Well how would you react to knowing/having memories of someone you know you have never met?. The time plays a part in identifying the false memory yes, but that's not the fpcus of how to do it it's more like a piece of information then the actual answer. Dain's cracking of the fake memories case suggests fhat fake memory can be identified if you already have a contradictory memory in place. Like he recognised instantly that these were fake memories because he knew that he only found out about this person's existence a day ago and the circumstances surrounding him. And we see this work in fhe opposite direction as well, that is when there isn't a contradiction rhen there's also no reason to doubt the memory. Dain cannot have a memory of not doing something Oh sorry the Descender logic is missing a few new pieces that Fontaine added (not in the main quest) Now the definition of a Descender reads as "an outlander who's Will Rivals that of an Entire World" Once completed the Lome cannot implant memories anymore because it doesn't need to when it can shape a new reality "Super Melancholy" and not sad Meanwhile Enkanimiya exists*

I think it is pretty interesting that Clothar's sole purpose in life was to save his son, but the Visionary/Abyss corrupted his intentions to the point where he sacrificed his son for the Loom of Fate. I think this might parallel a manipulation of the Abyss Sibling, who is trying to save Khaenriah/Teyvat, but may be working against their very interests due to the Abyss's corruption. There are hints of this in the Chasm quest, when they say they're willing to take a 1% chance on the plan working even if the effects could have been disastrous.

I liked the story, even if with some flaws like how dane didn't explain his plan to us leading to the eye being taken. My biggest gripe though is that the story would fit into 3.7 with minimal adjustment, but Hoyo just decides to put it one year down the line.

Someone pointed out that the first memories may have deliberately been planted in such a way that was to be detectable, so Dain would *think* he was more perceptive to the falseness of implanted memories - and that would bring his guard down for when the important memory was implanted. In which case, bravo Caribert.

This is a great analysis! I loved the quest too. Any chance you're going to do a final Penacony review? I keep hearing people rave about it but I honestly was left pretty disappointed, and I'm curious about your take.

This isnt an orginal thought but what if the travelers are from this world but didnt recognize it becuase of all of the different eras its been in. Like imagine if its not that the abyss went down, but that teyvat was built on top of it. And there are multiple layers of worlds. Then the travelers come to teyvat and think its new but its not the just dont recongize it

What I find curious is that, the abyss sibling didn't had to say all the things about the potential end game, but they did. It makes me feel as if tho the AS really want's to tell the traveler about everything, but also knows that they cannot, due to it possibly screwing up everything that the abyss order has been doing. They might have realized that since the memories of the traveler will be erased, this might be the only time when they get to have an honest conversation with the traveler, and they took it.

Wassup Mav. When will you continue recapping the Genshin story?

6:57 Not really an inconsistency when you think about the glasses incidents people have. Looking around the entire house just for them to be on your shirt, face, or in your hair. Or your phone/keys just for them to be in your hands. Dain knew the first set of false memories were fake because it went against everything he stands for. "Did I willingly expose where I had the Eye to the Abyss? No. Impossible...." BUT!! Dain DOES trust the Traveler and so believing that he handed the Eye over to us is more of a "Wtf? oh yeah, my contingency. Did I do it? * checks memory* Yeah. I did" This is not to say that he should have checked his pockets just to be safe. But now we know Dain isn't one to check his plans twice.

If I remember it correctly, this might be a second time when Traveller experienced an encounter which he has lost memories of. Somewhere in the Sumeru quest line, he woke up with the same feeling and with the same words, saying that he feels like he lost something.

It was CRUMBS. Yeah good point about stories, truths and beliefs. The whole leyline, abyss magic system seems built around these things. Hsr is also trying its hand at “memoria” but im not sure if itll be reoccurring past penacony

Why did they put Dendro Aether on the picture, but hydro traveler durring the prerendered cutscene with Lumine... I also find it interesting how Aether is mostly dark and gold colours, but Lumine is white and blue. I am sure some colour theory people might know more.

Liked and subscribed. Is it just me or the video have way less views than what was expected? Is it a youtube problem?

Best part of this quest is that it took place in Vimara Village which has the best ost in the game and that area already has so much great memories with Rana, Layla hangout and the Tcg event.

I really like this quest it felt it was the exact midpoint of the story, from how it feels like you're looking back to a lot of pieces from the story (it felt like they really tied together everything from the Dain stories cohesively here) to the themes it's trying to present. I just felt like it they were able to properly present all the pieces for the second half of the story. I also felt like your comment about the traveler not being real or as if they're in a memory is interesting because I always felt as if every World Quest and a lot of Stories in Genshin centered around the NPCs or other Characters and the traveler being a Witness, even Zhongli states as such in his Quest. I also like the implications of this being sort of in a loop, you have all these comments of things that have to happen and will continue to happen as if history HAS to repeat itself, Nahida even mentions in the anime trailer for Sumeru that "Everything in this world runs in a loop." Plus if you think about it, if they keep this trajectory and this IS the midpoint of the story, the Teyvat arc might actually end at Ver 8.8 which would be pretty symbolic for a multitude of reasons not just the loop. Anyway thank you for this video! There's been so much Genshin negativity so it's nice to just have something positive to hear.

My only complaint is why didn’t get a glimpse of the Dain vs Aether fight…that was an absolute steal >:( I personally don’t mind how it ended.

So at this point, is there any chance of Genshin Impact Retold Volume 3 Great video BTW

Is the hsr 2.2/3 video coming next month?

I start to think that the mysteries of Genshin's Teyvat will have a lot of situated through Sumeru, it's as if the whole metaphysical and Cosmology of Genshin Impact are interlinked with Honkaiverse as a whole (yes, it's already tied to Honkai games' multiverse as a whole, there's even alternate bubble universes where Genshin were collabed with Honkai as a variant of bubble universes, mainly as both Leaf and Bubble Universes in the greater Honkaiverse represented as Solar Systems to a crumbling planet respectively instead of actual IRL universe-scale realm), and back to Genshin's lore, Sumeru is heavily emphasized with concept of Buddhist Samsara and it's loop cycles akin to how Honkai Impact interplayed the cycles of universe/world system's rise and collapse (it's also already confirmed further with Honkai Star Rail lore of Izumo being Planetary systems being heavily tied to Ether Anchors of each systems, with Genshin (as a Continent) being sustained by both Tree of Irminsul and Ley Lines of Genshin's Samsara (both of which being mastered by Dendro Archon of Sumeru) Sorry for a lot of conjecture, considering that I play Honkai Impact since early 2018 and witness how Mihoyo develops these Cosmological concepts as times goes on, though Honkai Star Rail kinda dropped the concepts of bubble universes and leaf universes and replaced it with actual Star Systems, Sectors/Segmentum ala more conventional Sci Fi systems to make the whole lore more coherent (at least to what have been seen so far), not to mention that Skirk's confirming the scale of Genshin Impact are just placed on a whole planet with its own self-contained system, as the Twins travelled through many worlds, though it seems they're travelling in manner of less powered as Astral Express (especially how they're both easily halted by Sustainer of Heavenly Principles (possibly Asmoday according to many players) so easily) Though Honkai Impact part 2 main story adds Chronological origin back to Billions of years old which kinda breaks the Amber Era scaling of years of Honkai Star Rail calendar by millions of years of Amber Era (as 1 Amber Era ranged between 76 to 240 years of standard yearly Earth calendar) too, so it's ridiculous on the whacked sense of Chronology on top of Honkai Star Rail have quite amount of conflicts with the concept of overlapping Leaf & Bubble Universes, hence why Honkai Impact's Captain's Bizarre Adventures need to be continued to connect these games' sense of time & space scaling tbh

I love how you pointed out how Dain at first said that the memories he got are fake, but then later believed that the fake memory of giving the eye was real. I hated that so much. It would’ve been so much better if it was the opposite, at first believing the fake memories, but then realising that they’re fake (tho Dain then would have been skeptical if they gave the eye to the traveler 💀)

Yippe I really love this quest it literally made me bawl (smth I rarely do for games) can’t wait to hear what you thought about it!

if only they stopped using npcs for important roles 11:49 yes i agree. but it should be attached to CHARACTERS and not npcs also i dont mind stories being long as long as they r good but if story is sht i want it to be over.

My thoughts Story retold vol.3

Where is genshin's the entire story volume 3

I think Lumine isn't realm not Aether. Aether is 1000% a real person, but Lumine... I think she is dead already and what we see is her "ghost" or consciousness. That's why she is so "unreachable" for Traveler and can't reunite with her brother here and now. Because let's be real, she could've said "Hey, I want to save Khaenriah, let's go and do it together?", but she is like "you see... blah-blah-blah, nothing special, blah-blah-blah, take it or leave it, I'm alone and you're alone". I think that Lumine that we have now, maybe was made by Khaenriah or they've made something to her that she is like this now. Aether - NO. Just NO. If they made Aether, they wouldn't leave their creation somewhere to chill and more than that - kill their brothers and sisters Abyss creatures. Come on. That doesn't make any sense. While Lumine is basically "serving" to Abyss Order. She is their "princess" but she is also the one who makes their wishes come true.

Caribert was kinda cute ngl

It was a great quest

Can I still expect the hsr videos?

First!

Honestly, a lot of the reveals made me frustrated because they drag out the story so much and constantly hint at things but they leave out big things that just pop up out of nowhere so it's like you can't actually theorize or dive into anything. We just have to wait for years for them to tell us everything because it will probably hinge on things and characters we haven't ever seen or heard anything even hinted about. It's been years, can we start getting where we're going?

Personally, I didn't really like this interlude. I have to wonder why they chose to split this from the original Caribert quest, because aside from the Abyss sibling's one line about the throne of Hydro being destroyed, there's really no reason why this had to take place after Fontaine instead of still being after Sumeru. I also think hearing Surtalogi's name from Dain first and then from Skirk could have also been interesting. As in, getting his name first and then seeing how strong his disciple and pet are right in the next arc would've been a better setup imo. Also, the Traveler looking at the screen and basically saying "I have questions I want to ask, but I don't feel like asking them right now", as well as the dream not being remembered at all really feels like the writers wanted a laugh at our expense lol. Overall there's some very interesting information in the quest, but personally I kinda hate how overall it's mostly infodumping and setup with little to no payoffs, at least compared to previous Dain quests. Guess we gotta wait one more year for these...

I didn't like it

Stelle feels like a real character because we get actual dialogue choices. They rarely affect the story but they are fun. Why the hell do the split one comment into two buttons and tell you to pick one?! I hate the traveler. It feels like they just don't want to pay the voice actors to record the 5 lines of dialogue they get per quest.

I was seriously dissapointed in this archon quest. I'm surprised I haven't heard more negatives about it. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. the big one for me was the "forget everything said in cariberts memory domain." he literally tells paimon "the loom is finished and cariberts is gone...." hmmm kinda funny he remembers something that he only heard about in cariberts domain..... WTF? I thought the reason we forget the sibling chat ENTIRELY, was because "everything done/said in cariberts domain will be forgotten with caribert gone" Wait, wait , wait.... so he can remember shit from cariberts domain? Just not his sister or anything that would lead to any progress on that end? Weird. It definitely wasn't just that though. If we're supposed to believe that Dainsleif thought he gave us the eye. Then we're also supposed to believe HE'S STUPID ENOUGH to tell us to go look for the missing person when they're in the middle of a crisis? The missing person isn't even what dainsleif was there for ,nor did he particularly care, that's not a world threatening issue at the moment we should protect the eye at all costs. Eh fuck it." Traveler I sense a strong presence" Better go look for that missing person in the towns memories" which sounds sooooo stupid when you find out he supposedly thinks he gave the eye to traveler. That is some of the dumbest shit shit I've seen. Also, apparently rhinedottir and surtalogi are connected to dainsleif along with his other brother or sisters or whatever. Is the whole Hexzenzirkal evil? Does that mean Alice is evil?(would be kinda weird for super good people to have regular tea parties with entities dainsleif paints as almost wholly evil traitors.) I'm a pretty big fan of the story in all honesty, but with the arlecchino story making traveler seem to take a giant L. Then all this......

I really disliked this quest. It was too short, Caribert just infodumped what happened with no tension buildup - it jumped from introducing the characters to the climax. And did I mention it was too short? Dainsleif's lines read like they were making fun of us. The conversation between the siblings was good, except the game erased it from canon. This is the first main story update since 4.2. Remuria was tiny with almost no quests. Northern Sumeru and the Temple of Silence were empty. Even Chlorinde's filler quest was longer than this story update, but ig that makes sense since they're selling characters not a story. I've been a daily player since 1.1 with no missed days. This quest was the final straw for me, since playing this quest I stopped logging in. I don't even care that I still have welkin. If the game can't spend time to give me what I like (story and lore) then I won't give it my time. I give up.

Can’t wait for the Sumeru recap @straymaverick