Short answer: Yes, it was stated that during the 7 year time skip, Vegeta unlocked SSJ2 through training. The Majin boost just unlocked more of Vegeta’s potential and gave him a power boost.

I always found it weird how Dragon Ball Z turned into a sci-fi series but we rarely saw any new planets out side of filler. Their earth, namek, the Kai world and yardrat but I think it’s weird how theirs a whole galaxy we never really explored. Like gt has its flaws but it was super cool how we got to see other aliens and civilizations. The manga made contradict this point since I haven’t read it so my b if it does.

I always figured Vegeta had become SSj2 during the 7 year timeskip. Great content

I never understood why this was a debate. Why would Vegeta feel confident against Gohan if he wasn't already at least a ss2

His confidence was very telling. It's very much like when he first became a super saiyan, so yes to him having already unlocked it

King Kai said that 1 year of training with him was like 100 years of time. Considering how close in power Vegeta was with Goku during the Buu saga, even taking into account Goku was far stronger when he died, that's REALLY impressive

Vegeta would not have rested until he achieved and surpassed the strength of peak ssj2 gohan he witnessed. His statement is one of confidence in his own strength. Unfortunately the later retcon of ssj3 gives vegeta the L again…

I believe Vegeta became a ssj2 during the time skip before the start of the Buu arc and the Majin boost just amplified his power further. So to me Majin Vegeta is kinda like a ssj2.5 or something in terms of power due to the Majin boost unlocking more of Vegeta's potential from digging into his ruthlessness from his past self

Vegeta’s a fighting genius himself so unlocking ssj2 after witnessing gohan unlock it would’ve been a breeze for him and goku to unlock it

Once Vegeta had the confirmation that Goku had also surpassed Super Saiyan, Vegeta says they're both stronger than Gohan right after. In my opinion, that's enough confirmation.

The only thing that is weird about this is both Goku and Vegeta acknowledge themselves as surpassing super saiyan 2 Gohan after they transformed into super saiyan 2. This implies that their previous forms weren't in that realm of power despite super saiyan 2 being only a 2x multiplier. This means either Gohan had a rage boost on top of his form amping his power even more or his super saiyan one form during the cell games was so powerful that even a mere 2x boost was enough to make his level of power still relevant 7 years later. pretty crazy either way and proves gohan is really a beast.

I agree you broke it down very well. They should show Vegeta reaching SS2 in Super or a movie. I think that would be really cool

The Buu saga made Super Saiyan transformations less significant. Like anyone who has Saiyan blood could just change now, not like the struggle it was before

I believe vegta already had the power of ss2 before the majin control. Vegeta mentions during his fight with Goku that he (Vegeta) allowed babidi to turn him back into his ruthless self. And its within reason to assume that Vegeta equated his ruthlessness as the key to unlocking his TRUE TRUE potential. meaning he knew he could access ss2 power but he was just holding back. babidis magic basically allowed Vegeta to remove that mental block that was preventing him from being a killer. Which is when he was at his strongest. i mean think back to when Vegeta first landed on Earth. Vegeta couldn't alter his power level he was just base level strong with a power level of 18,000. But over time, vegeta not only learned to suppress his power on Namek, but became soft when he got involved with the earthlings. Which could have altered Vegeta ability to maintain that ferocity which allowed him to always be at his strongest.

Id definitely say yes, theres no way someone who trains as hard as Vegeta does wouldnt unlock it in 7 years. Vegeta only decided to go the desperate route of the majin powerup when he felt Goku tap into ssj3 (not ssj2, his hair goes way up and back in the single frame where he uses his ki) against Yakkon, before that he was pretty confident he was at least on par with Goku. He didnt know just how much stronger Goku was, but he at least knew in that moment that his power wasnt enough.

Vegeta could go ssj 2 but the problem was he knew his ssj2 was weaker than goku’s after the fight he had with babadi’s monster

Vegeta also used SSJ2 against kid buu. There’s nothing that says a character still has the boost after losing the M on their forehead.

The fact you have a yuyu poster has earned my viewing and I realize now you’re on point. Lol dude thanks for the content. I’m gonna catch up on your past videos all along. Awesome!

He implies very heavily that he has attained that level of power had the tournament played out normally we may have seen it 1st without Majin in the finals

Carefully reading the original manga I've never understood people who claim he didn't have it yet. With SO many mentions of his relative level!

The Dragon Ball series has so much untapped potential it’s literally endless

Is this even a debate? Obviously he had SS2, if he hadn't his inner monologue would have been a lot different and would have definitely started with "curse you kakarott!" 😂Anyway great content man, keep it up!

Damn man. I have been devouring your manga centric tour de force lectures recently. Felt like you were doing a mathematical proof professor. Keep it up!

I have no idea where this idea ever came from, its just completely made up with no basis lol. The majin boost gave vegeta enough power to catch up to goku but it wasn't like a massive increase like 2x or something. In the original manga if you are a little faster and stronger its enough to dominate your opponent like vegeta vs zarbon for example. Vegeta probably got like a 1.2x boost, which is definitely significant as if you are even a hair slower than your opponent and they are skilled it means they can dodge all of your attacks and overwhelm you.

It's idiotic to even debate this. He regarded Gohan as an utter weakling - even though he knew adult Gohan had SSJ2

When it comes to saiyans, a power boost doesn't lead to a transformation. A transformation leads to a power boost. Just getting boosts for transformations didn't work on namek and wouldn't work with babidi. Vegeta definitely knew how to go ss2 without the majin boost. Look at how easily he pulled it off. Vegeta knew deep down that Goku(dead or alive) would keep pushing himself until he reached ss2 or higher. That's why he continued to train despite swearing not to fight again. Gohan pulled off ss2 twice in one day. 7 years later he still knew how to do it without intense training. Seeing how fast Trunks and Goten reached super saiyan, Vegeta would definitely have ss2 in his back pocket and have some mastery over the form to remain confident.

Mike always coming in clutch with these videos

I love gohan's green and black suit.

In Raging Blast 2, I used to put Vegeta Ssj2 vs majin Vegeta and let the cpus brawl it out. Ssj2 must’ve been post resurrection cuz he caught more dubs lol

Loving the content lately bro. Can tell you've got the mojo back

You’re on a fuckin’ roll dude…KEEP IT UP🔥🔥🔥

It would be a weird property of Babidi’s magic if it could target those physiological elements specific to Saiyans that unlock their transformations. I just don’t think the magic is that ‘smart’. It is however quite believable that it could close the difference that had developed between Goku and Vegeta’s base power levels.

Man as I’ve said multiple times lately, I’m loving your new content & you’ve been consistently killing it. You’ve made a few videos on Buu lately but one thing I’ve always wondered is how strong was Evil Buu/Skinny Buu? You explained Super Buu’s power & went into how he was able to get so strong after Evil Buu ate/absorbed Fat Buu but I always thought Fat Buu retained the same level of strength & just created an entirely separate entity with strength beyond what the initial Fat Buu already had, instead of the energy being split. Mainly I always thought that was the case because of how long he was able to hold off Kid Buu. If he only retained 40% of his initial power, I feel like he would’ve been instantly stomped by Kid Buu, even with his durability & regeneration, plus the insane strength of Super Buu would add to that theory. But even so how strong would Skinny Buu be? I’ve always wondered, if Super Buu turned back into Skinny Buu after they ripped Fat Buu out of him, how would Goku & Vegeta do against him?

Bro you pumping out the content. Keep up the good work!

He definitely had it but the majin boost just closed in on the power difference. He was confident he'd STOMP the Gohan that beat Cell.

I always thought Vegeta was trying to mask his conscience and guilt by letting babidi put the spell on him. He might have gotten a boost but he didn’t need it to go SSJ2.

Never stop uploading

Most of us think he gained ssj2 during the 7 year time skip. The only thing that bothers me is when people say there's "undeniable proof" one way or the other. I'm like "No, all evidence saying he did or didn't have it is circumstantial. It's left ambiguous, so 10 years from now Toriyama could say he didn't achieve ssj2 until he became Majin Vegeta, and it would still work. There could be an over 90% chance he did achieve ssj2 during the time skip, but so far there is no evidence that will bump that up to 100%, or drop it down to 0.

Here’s a very good question laughingstock media do you think Goku was already strong enough to handle super Saiyan two but simply did not know how to unlock it or was he not strong enough to grasp the form and obtain it

He was a super saiyian 2 already. He was confident. That he was able to beat Gohan. He said you was alot stronger. When we fought cell. But I've been training. He decided to let babidi charm him. When he seen how. Powerful goku got. When he saw goku. Fighting yakon. He knew he couldn't beat goku.Thats why he was charmed by badadi. To keep up with goku. But goku fought him evenly. Because he was already. A super saiyain 3. And hid it from him. Because he knew. About vegetas pride. And he didn't. Want to hurt him.

Is it really that difficult to believe that Vegeta could just raise his power to a level of super saiyan 2 Gohan in just super saiyan in 7 years? I feel like they do this all the time and no one questions any of the other stuff that Goku does in only Super Saiyan. I really do think Toriyama would have wrote the story differently if he intended Vegeta to be a super saiyan 2 prior to being Majin Vegeta. I feel like people don't give Babidi enough credit but he was able to make regular people as strong as they were in the saiyan saga. Which has to at least be by 10x if not greater. Also keep in mind at this point Super Saiyan 2 was just thought of as a stronger variant of super saiyan, super saiyan grade 5 and not a unique transformation. I think that's why it's kept ambiguous. I really don't think Toriyama knew what he wanted to do with it.

Yes, but still going to be a great video

Yes, before watching this, that's the answer. It's why he looked down upon Gohan and mentioned Goku "broke through the Super Saiyan Barrier as well" nonchalantly

Watching this as a kid in the fifth grade it was obvious vegeta had ssj2. I don’t know how people get confused about this.

What about Gohan getting the Majin Boost. Wonder what that would of done for him if it was possible to get him. It would definitely make him accessing his rage a little easier.

You’re on a roll with these debunking videos

The key line is "who knows what will happen when he gets mad" lmfao. We already know that if Gohan gets put in a certain situation he will always exceed everyone else, like we saw with SS2 and Beast Gohan

Mike! Love the content recently! I really enjoy your approach to these topics. Question...and I ask because I think you're the right guy for the job, but, could you do a reexamination of SSj4?? I love SSj4 and I'd say most of us do. I remember watching the recent Dragon Ball movies in theaters in 2013, 2015, 2019, and a lot of Dragon Ball KZfaqrs talk about how, "SSjG would SLAP SSj4, bro. It's god ki, you can't compete!" And, I feel like that just isn't accurate anymore. I'm not talking about power scaling or anything along those lines, but I refuse to believe that these two kids WITHOUT god ki (Kale and Calulifla) can fuse together and then give SSjG Goku a run for his money. Not only that, Jiren, Broly, Golden/Black Frieza don't have god ki, and yet they can do as much damage as they do?? Like I said, love the content. I'd just love to see SSj4 get an updated look.

When Gohan went ssj2 in front of Kibito Vegeta obviously believes he’s much more powerful than him now. That wouldn’t be possible if Vegeta hadn’t already achieved ssj2 himself. This is further emphasized during Gohan’s fight against Dabura. I think Vegeta clearly was about equal in power if not perhaps a bit stronger than Gohan was against Cell, but needed the Majin boost to match Goku’s ssj2 power.

Keep up the good work

You make a good point and it’s quite convincing. The only question I have left is if Vegeta was a súper sayian 2 stronger than teen gohan, then why didn’t Babidi’s magic propel Vegeta to Super Sayian 3?

What if Goku did go Super Saiyan 3 against Vegeta? How would that have effected the series?

To me, the Majin boost was more of a mental state power up rather than a literal one. Like he says he wanted to be evil again, so Im guessing the Majin boost simply reawakened his dormant inner evil or at least his deep seated rage he had been locking away ever since Goku died. It allowed him to break the shackles of family and love and replace that void with anger and hatred again.

Not to mention, in later DBZ games (Tenkaichi series), "End" vegeta or "Buu Saga" Vegeta has the Super Saiyan 2 transformation, separate from his Majin boost. And those games were known for being very accurate, lore wise. Vegeta said it himself. He let himself be controlled by Babidi to be who he used to be. Evil, ruthless and to fight with nothing holding him back. Vegeta had clearly obtained SS2 prior through training. The Majin boost only gave him that little extra edge to be able to beat Goku, who had most likely achieved a higher level in his SS2 form.

I believe vegeta definitely was a super saiyan 2 before majin. Babadis magic just amplifies strength, it doesn’t give transformations.

I believe that Vegeta did unlock ssj2 on his on by training. It was just the fact that after he saw Goku's ssj2 form had more power than his own so Vegeta decided to have babadi brainwash him to even the gap. Goku's ssj2 was more powerful than Vegeta's ssj2 because of unlocking ssj3 which could make Goku's his ssj2 form be at a level like ssj2.5

Vegeta's Majin Form is the same as Goku's Perfected Super Saiyan Form that he used in the Cell Games, only in SSJ2. Ascended Forms were stronger than Super Saiyan Form but weaker than Perfected Super Saiyan. The reason: *1.* Less Energy spent Transforming *2.* Less Energy spent in the Form *3.* Less Stamina used *LORE:* From the Cell Games. Perfect Cell was stronger than Vegeta and Trunks, but was even with a Perfected Super Saiyan Form. This is why Goku wouldn't use SSJ3, besides his time on the Mortal plane being shortened.

in a way he pulled an elder guru move....for vegeta

when you think about it this is actually presented and set up really well. people forget Vegeta isn't Goku he boast and brags yes but he never reveals his full hand to his opponents. It would make sense Vegeta would imply Hes stronger than Gohan without giving away his surprise of obtaining SSJ2. I imagine he wanted to reveal it Goku during their fight too kinda throw him off kinda like a jealous friend who cant wait to show you hes gotten some new toys 🤣

Of course Vegeta was a Super Saiyan too, he transformed way back against the Antdriods. 😊

Really like ur videos one nit pick i have is can u swallow ur saliva less closer to the mic. Its like drinking liquids close to the mic. Glad ur back either way.

Because vegeta has never underestimated his opponent. 😂😂😂

Always felt he made SSJ2 during the time skip, and the Majin boost essentially forced him into that form. Budokai 3 kinda treated it that way, if you use the capsule for the Majin form, his techniques change, and the form feels like regular SSJ2 Vegeta with different, slightly more powerful moves. He also doesn’t reverse the transformation, nor can he take any other form with that capsule. I feel like the Majin boost just essentially floors the gas on his power output and makes him go full force constantly.

Yes, Vegeta claimed he was stronger than Gohan even. He went Majin because he saw a glimpse of Goku’s power and felt it was higher what he achieved (he likely saw a glimpse of SSJ3), that no matter how hard he trained Goku was still ahead. He let himself became Majin to get the boost to close that gap. Also wasn’t Vegeta able to go SSJ2 when he came back for the day?

Pls do if gohan was a ssj2 against Dabura and also broly in 2nd coming

I think Vegeta knew how to become an SS2 and he probably DID become one while training to push himself. But was he an experienced SS2? No. I think that's all it was. Vegeta probably didn't have anyone to test it on so he never used it again. Until Goku appeared.

Ok so how i take this not like anyone asked but: i feel like vegeta didnt have ss2 at the time because when goku left he hyped gohan up to be stronger than everyone with latent ss2 powerup. I think vegeta thinking he was stronger than gohan was the fact that it looked like gohan spent so much time enjoying the peace that he was barely strong enough or mentally trained enough to hold up the form. I think by that time everyone was stronger than cell without the form and vegeta assumed they were both training in all that time to attain this form that should be the strongest a saiyan can get in their eyes. I think the fight against that monster in that ship was just a wakeup call that goku was keeping up at a way faster pace than him and he was definitely hiding some of his strength. I think vegeta realized that goku might’ve had ss2 during his fight with the monster and then made the deal with babidi to get the extra strength and the rage to go beyond and get in his level.. goku could’ve went to ss3 and shattered him but he knew itd be better to let him think he won and made it to surpass goku.. i dont think subtle strength differences would have made all that much difference to either one of them tbh but its just a thought

Long story short, he is somewhere between adult Gohan SS2 and Goku SS2, and who knows if he was ever actually transformed into that state on screen other than Majin Vegeta looking like a bit more menacing SS1

I remember Geekdom doing this video a few years ago. To put it bluntly yes

Great video yea he had SSJ 2, no reason he didn't.

Here's how I'd pinpoint the scale. 1. Kid Gohan SS2(rage) is 2x Super Perfect Cell, since half his ki was enough. 2. Teen Gohan SS2(calm) is on-par with Dabura - therefore Super Perfect Cell. 3. Daizenshuu2 says "Gohan didn't get weaker during the 7y timeskip" 4. Vegeta SS2(not-majin) is unsure if he could beat Teen Gohan SS2 - if enraged. 5. Gohan has slakced off and can't draw his old powers. "Lost the rage-boost". 6. Kid Gohan SS2 = Teen Gohan SS2 = SP Cell = Dabura. 7. Vegeta's close to Kid Gohan's level, making him 2x Teen Gohan. 8. Goku is stronger than Kid Gohan, but so much to shock Vegeta. 9. Babidi's magic-amp on Majin Vegeta should be around a 50% boost. (As 2x would mean Vegeta's SS2 was equal to Goku's SS1) 10. Dabra/Cell/Teen Gohan >x2> KidGohan(rage)/Vegeta >+50%> Goku/Majin-Vegeta.

It's like everytime I get done arguing with someone in the comments the exact video that I'm arguing about comes out 😂

The anime, especially the dub does not make it clear at all but the manga implies it more to me. Yes. Its the only way it would make sense for his attitude. He couldn't criticize Gohan or think he could easily beat Dabura if he wasnt. I think its just that he didnt think Goku also was a SS2 (similar to how he assumed he surpassed Goku in the ROST before Goku even went in) or that he knew Goku's was stronger than his (which would retroactively make sense knowing he has SS3 which in my headcanon should make Goku's SS2 max potential higher than Vegeta's.) so Vegeta needed Banidi to just raise his SS2's potential or strength up to Goku's. Then they were even.

Personally, I like to think that he wasn’t! It just makes more sense to me that he’d give in to the Majin transformation if it meant shattering a barrier that he was unable to on his own for years. You can tell me I’m wrong, but I think the story is better with Vegeta deflecting by telling Gohan he’s gotten weak when really he’s jealous he’s still so strong while he has to push himself to keep up his strength and he still hasn’t been able to accomplish what he did as a kid. And when he yells at Gohan for not beating Dabura, he knows Gohan could’ve if he acted more like him, ruthless and angry. Of course he’d give into “mind control” if it meant him getting stronger than the two fighters he’s been unable to keep up with.

Kinda high so I need to write this quick. I think what vegeta met when he said"so kakerrot surpassed the ssj wall too huh"is that vegeta was curious if goku was able to become ssj 2 as well. I think vegeta didn't let babdi in ti reach ssj 2 I think he let him in to awaken the warrior he was b4 he met them aka"ruthelss". I think vegeta thought only way he could be beat goku would be if he went at him to kill him. Btw im writing this 6 minutes in so he might mention it

If people disagree. Then we'll have to ask the creator himself Akira: I forgot lol FUCK!!

Look if Gohan was caught lacking for 7 years where the hell does that put Piccolo? We know Piccolo doesn't lack , he always trains and meditates which is something he has over Vegeta, he just can't keep up anymore because no amount of his training could catch up yet he still trains. So if that's true for what is undoubtfully a Super Namekian at this point then was Piccolo as strong or stronger than Gohan? Could 7 years of Piccolo training put him on Gohan level like Vegeta thinks he is? Cause that has to be true or else that's the end of it. If Piccolo can't catch up, which we know he can't, then neither can Vegeta cause Vegeta was not that far off ahead of Piccolo. It took Babidi to power up Vegeta to Goku's level however Goku was still ahead because of SS3. Goku says he doesn't want an extended fight so he is using Full Power, which was still a lie but he is using his full power outside of SS3. So yeah it takes Babidi to push Vegeta to SS2 level so NO he does not get SS2 before Babidi. He was just angry because he knows both Gohan and Goku are ahead of him and he is angry at Gohan for no reason. Gohan's potential grew in those 7 years and the Elder Kai unlocks that new potential which is even greater than SS3 so it's far ahead of Vegeta.

The way he looked and thought in that panel when Goku went ssj2 vs Yakon i don't think he was. And he realized that he was way, way behind his level and something needed to be done. I don't think he even considered Gohan a worthy opponent. Seeing Goku going SSJ2 with ease and being able to control it they way that he did made him take that Babidi gamble. I am also pretty sure that the majin boost worked much better than he expected.

i wish they had ended off with a little more ssj2 Gohan before the time skip…like it feels gohan went from getting kidnapped to bowl cut namek to long hair androids then comes out the time chamber a different kid so calm and quiet then ssj2 and then a time skip…completely skipping his teens years…i feel like they should definitely do something showing off how great ssj2 gohan was🥹 (atleast BT4 a What If)

Vegeta stated how he needed Majin Boost in SS2 to match Goku's SS2, otherwise the Majin Boost "granting" Vegeta SS2 would make zero sense as it would imply that Vegeta SS1+Majin wouldn't even be close to a SS2, and that contradicts how much Vegeta is confident on his power over the only other confirmed SS2 user at the time, Gohan.

Considering in the games it always lists majin as a seperate form than 2 and is usually after 2 its seperate.

Yeahh the anime, especially the buu saga, had alot of dialogue slightly altered or staright up misinterpreted from the manga. Thats why theres so much confusion in the community about alot of things... including the fact that buuhan is stronger than kid buu not the other way around, thank the anime for fueling that belief.

Idunno, at the same time it would thematically matter to Vegeta if he gained the power of SS2 through taking Babidis power. He would “sell his soul” to surpass Goku and gain something he didn’t have before.

Anyone confused about this is in denial lol 7 years straight training. no way vegeta didn’t get ss2 😂

I always though the reason he became Majin was to become one.

given vegeta reaction to goku using ss2 against yakon i doubt he had the transformation prior to babidi unlocking his power.

When gohan was fighting Dabura his confidence was mighty high at the time I do believe he was there already he wasn’t impressed with gohan or dabura at the time

I always thought it was a given that rhey both achieved SSj2 in the timeskip. Dragon ball had always followed the pattern of the previous levels becoming fodder once the new badguys show up. Gohan unlocking SSJ2 showed that it was possible so all the others had to do was to put in the time to reach it. The same thing happened with Vegeta and gohan getting SSJ1 off screen(manga) and even the Z fighters going from Radditz' tail fodder to being able to take out multiple radditz's after receiving the training from Kami that Goku had gotten previously.

I highly doubt Goku went SS2 for Yakon, Goku letting energy out doesn't mean he went SS2, he has mastered SS1 he can let out alot of energy and Yakon for sure isn't even Perfect Cell level so for sure Goku didn't use that much energy to blow Yakon up, he simply gave Yakon enough energy for Yakon to not handle it. And for Vegeta, again Vegeta can say he is stronger than everybody and then shit gets real and he isn't, oh what a shocker. THIS IS VEGETA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. The only time Vegeta went ahead of someone was in Super against Toppo and that Extra spice came from absolutly nowhere in an arc where everyone could handle SSB...So consider Vegeta going ahead of Toppo a freaking ass pull in the levels of Krillin and Gohan equalling to SSB. SO having said that Vegeta can believe whatever he wants to believe doesn't mean he is right and in fact he isn't right. And he knows this because he acknowledges Gohan's emotional state as something unpredictable. So Gohan can go ahead of him at any time if he would be lagging behidn somehow. There's nothing to suggest Vegeta was implying himself aswell when he says Goku went past the SS wall either. You can assume he means himself because of how he has been speaking thus far BUT then Vegeta needs Babidi to keep up and still he is lagging behind Goku. SO that confirms Vegeta did not went and got SS2. He might be on a similar power level in terms of raw power which is exactly what Babidi did, he gives a raw power boost but SS forms are not just a raw power boost, they're a battle transformation beyond a simple power boost. They multiply what is already there. SO if Vegeta was a 100 pre babidi then after babidi he isn't a SS2 level he is 100 + X. Could X be the same value as if he went SS2? Yes it could but that only means he is exerting more power output than he should because of Babidi's magic and not that he achieved a new power beyond Mastered SS1 or SS2. He's just overcharged and not into a new form. Majin Vegeta is just SS Vegeta + X from Babidi. And let's not forget Gohan is being NERFED by plot reasons because according to Sayian biology Gohan losing power doesn't even make sense. Gohan was 11 when he beat Cell and he is now 17/18 his body has grown more powerful because it is now a fully adult body and according to Saiyan biology, they stay in their prime for an extended time because they are a fighting race and we know about the half saiyan potential being higher aswell already. So Gohan's body in no way has lost any power whatsoever. In fact Gohan has gained power and his unlock later is proof of this, his new level is a reflection of him naturally growing up. Vegeta might have gained more power to compare to an 11 year old Gohan which again is doubtful AF but he can't compare to adult Gohan. Ok let's bring Broly into this. How strong can Broly be if Broly lived in exile for most of his life? He never had proper training, he never had battle experience in Vegeta's or Gohan's level either, so why didn't Broly lose his crazy high power level after he was born? Shouldn't Broly obey the same rules as Gohan then? And let's not forget Broly is as far as we know a full blood saiyan so Gohan has higher potential. The difference here is LSS is whatever power level it wants itself to be depending on what time the form is reintroduced. OG LSS was above SS1. Super LSS is above SSB. So we can't use LSS as an effective comparison measure. So going by Saiyan biology and time skip logic which is what we can use then Broly shouldn't be LSS if Gohan can't keep his power either or the LSS we got to see isn't the real LSS Broly could achieve which would only make the Gap bigger than how drastically big it already was. So if Vegeta can go ahead of Gohan that means Vegeta would be going ahead of OG Broly. Even with Babidi boost i do not believe that whatsoever even if BRoly doesn't have Vegeta or Gohan's battle experience. And no this doesn't mean Broly is Super Perfect Cell level, it means it riddiculous for Vegeta to make a non Broly level jump to above Gohan jump in those 7 years of peace. Because let's not forget, training is one thing, actually having something stronger to fight is another. We know Vegeta trained under 150G but training is one thing and actually fighting someone with the intent to kill you is another. So Vegeta is also slacking off during those 7 years. Goku actually fought in a Tournament with people aside from him wanting to win and Goku had a really tough fight against Pikkon. But we know Goku went ahead of Gohan because of SS3 up until Elder Kai unlocks Gohan's new level.

8:20 Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P10.5 Context: after Goku makes Yakon explode with his Super Saiyan aura Vegeta: “So that bastard Kakarot has also surpassed that wall…The Super Saiyan wall…”

I always had the impression that Vegeta was bluffing

Vegeta always seems confident he can take people on and then gets his shit pushed in, that happens everytime even in the non canon movies. Vegeta believed he'd defeat Zarbon easily and got rekt, he believed he'd defeat Frieza and DIED, he believed he'd defeat Goku and then got rekt, Broly rekt him far worse than anybody else because Vegeta didn't even wanna fight, bro that's some really deep frightning territory when Vegeta the King of smug is afraid. Moving forward he got rekt by 18 and Cell. Goku came out of the Time Chamber and told him you're dumb for ruinning your body like that and he also said i'm way ahead of you. Which Vegeta notes as Goku and Gohan were able to maintain SS1 without spending energy. So you want me to believe that guy in 7 years with nothing but gravity training closed the gap on Gohan and Goku who are naturaly better talents than him, a Goku who actually stayed training for those 7 years aswell on even better conditions? That's riddiculous. He'd never catch up to Goku and it is later confirmed he didn't. And he sure as hell did not catch up to Gohan. Gohan might have been NERFED yes but Gohan's potential also increased during those 7 years and he grows as a life form. When Elder Kai unlocked Gohan's potential Gohan went above Goku yet again meaning whatever power Gohan had when he beat Cell grew into more than what Goku achieved and Goku is ahead of Vegeta here. So obviously Gohan goes miles ahead of VEgeta or rather he keeps the millage he has always had on Vegeta. The only time Vegeta surpasses Gohan is the entirety of Super.

Can you do a video on your opinion if the spirit bomb is unblock-able

First It was stated in the Daizenshuu the Vegeta did

The only reason this is a debate is because fans think Vegeta was lying about being stronger then Gohan and Dabura, due to overconfidence lol. Which shows me fans will argue anything just for the sake of it. If Vegeta is watching Gohan and Dabura go at it and confirms along with goku that they could both take him, that should tell you that Vegeta was ssj2 level period. The technicality of it being ssj vs ssj2 is irrelevant because at that point of the manga they were basically called the same thing. "SSj2" was just called ascended, ultra, beyond.. etc. Which we knew Vegeta was

Do a video if Goku went SSJ3 and knocked out vegeta in one hit and went and killed Dabura/ babidi would that energy be enough to awaken buu thank you 🙏

Off topic, but seeing vegetas bare feet for the first time, in that manga panel was slightly unsettling.

Possibly unpopular opinion: it was shin and kabito who were responsible for boo's release. Without shin's interference, Goku would've kicked out babadi's goons before they finished draining Gohan

For them to say that Vegeta never managed to reach Super Sayian 2 in 7 YEARS of training would be an absolute insult to the character. I highly dought the writers would descredit his ability like that. Also there's the fact that he was unimpressed and not even the slightest bit intimidated by the likes of Debura ( who was stated to be around the same power as Super Perfect Cell) when he fought Gohan and was disappointed in Gohan for struggling with him.

So becoming Majin is a straight dump of power onto your base power. Similar to having your potential unlocked and not a multiplier like the SS transformation. Is there any information on how much or how many power levels becoming Majin gives you? Like you gain 20, 50, 100 power levels when you get the Majin boost?