zombievey so true

Murder is the death of the body. Rape is the death of the spirit.

@Beth black Most women doesn't run not only because of money. That is ONE of the things used to make them stay. We're talking about mental conditioning made by the abuser. They do believe they can't run away, specially if they say they'll kill them. The age is also a big factor. You can't possible now what the hell this people think, feel and believe in this situations. And still even richest ones stay and have trouble trying to get out. The difference is when they do get out the richest ones have more help to get their lifes back on track.

@Beth black You have no idea what you are talking about. I was not poor, struggling financially but I stayed, I was psychologically abused though not beaten but I stayed, I have a young son to care for but I stayed, I was not as young as Even, I dont really know about her family situation and I had my families support but I stayed. I was raped by my husband but it took me months to realize it completely. By the time I had realized it I moved out, but he moved out first. I stayed until I couldn't stay anymore. You shouldn't be so judgemental.

Beth black its Very hard to get out , a lot of women get killed when they try to leave though its also dangerous to stay. You need to time it exactly right and have people with whom to stay or places to hide and also how to cut off information to the abuser etc

Yes sadly it's all pure emotions

Yo. It’s not about the character that she portray. It’s about her. Evan Rachel. The Woman.

rape is bad....but rachels performance is good. I mean mby you can't have one without the other.

She just read what lawyer prepared for her

Come on, she did naughty pics at the when she was young, then she wanted to live out her bi-sexuality and got coincidentally got pregnant.... ah ok.. she's now really hurt

No they don't. No matter how hard you try and try...it sticks with you, until as she said...you are just numb. A shell of a person. I am 33 and trying. This is so damn hard. I think I have forgotten it all, then in smells and moments of lucidity they all come flooding back to me. Some things I didn't even know I was coherent for or even had remembered. It is disgusting and cruel what some people do do others, that is what sickens me most.....that the perpetrators may never know the scars they left..or even care. Going about their daily lives thinking it was the past and they were too young to know what they did was wrong and that somehow god forgave them because in their mind they have came to some sort of penance. But no sir. You are not forgiven until you go back and ask for forgiveness in hopes to heal the wounded you left to wither and die.

Lindsay Call my heart goes out to you. Please do what you can for your own mental well-being. I don't know your pain, but I know the world would be worse off without you in it. I don't say this flippantly, you have family and friends who love you and want the best for you. Fight on young lady.

Keiser Sozey That is so awful and tragic. Thank you for trying to help her. You did all you could. Make sure you take care of yourself - and seek help if you need it. All the best to you. 💞

No they never go away. I was kidnapped and held for 3 days..raped and tied down by 3 men I was naked and jumped out of a 2nd storey window to escape. That was in my 20s when I was 16 at a party a guy said he'd show me where the bathroom was then on the way shoved me into a room and raped me. I fought him I bit him kicked him in the face then had to fight for my underwear bc he wanted it as a trophy . People need to realize this happens way too much and start being conscious that survivors are -a cashier,a barista,a stay at home mother,a painter,doctor, teacher, dog Walker. Anyone and everyone Lindsay call ty for sharing and speaking about this. I still cannot smell certain things without it triggering me. I have night terrors..but I worked my butt off to not let all this own me or PTSD ruin me. Yet I do still double ck windows,doors,etc bc I live alone and the night I was kidnapped was from my bedroom thru the window

@@lindsay644 That is what people don't understand. And because your brain wants to protect you its like you're stuck in a moment in time. You have to live with it. And that's bravery.

Also, everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

@@ivandankob7112 also there are too many people out there who accuse MM of the same thing. Who accused him years and decades ago.

@@carina-nonbinary I wonder why he was not punished years ago. Ah, he was not PROVEN guilty?

Rape me.. 💙🎵 Kurt Cobain ah.. sexual attraction..

What about the falsely accused?

I'm most surprised about that other attacker saying "you're going to be fine, you're going to be fine"; that's a complex psychology.

@@theDudeAbid3s she must have been scared to death and perhaps the attacker felt a tiny bit bad for it.. telling her fine is extremely condescending since he was assaulting her thats anything but fine

@@kimmyfreak200 yeah, to me that's the interesting part though calling it condescension seems weird, like it was a debate forum or something

Gonna need this on a t shirt

@@theDudeAbid3s guilt. He felt guilt. Not enough.

Unholy Mephistopheles she doesn’t have to! She’s literally talking about how she was threatened with death? Are you deaf?

Unholy Mephistopheles its Marilyn Manson, it's a well known fact

Her case is well past the statute of limitations. Her accuser himself has admitted to some of what he has done to her. It's Marilyn Manson. He was the older man she dated when she was 18. he's the one that admitted that he was emotionally abusive and said he was going to hurt kill himself or hurt himself if she didn't come back, which he did sit there and cut himself every time she refused to answer his phone calls, he said he had over 150 cuts on his arm and face from it. Her attacker admits he's abusive

@Merle Dixon well known fact and she said she wants to be ready. He admitted to fantasizing and made mv killing her

@Merle Dixon Now she has.

She didn't write that.

@@Ryan-kf6xu wow. You would know about it, right? Keep it to yourself, please.

Yes, Ms.Wood has class.

@@Ryan-kf6xu She wrote that.

@@luh8389 could you please be quiet and mind your business please and thanks

Thank you for this. I can say as someone who has been through this and can agree with you 100% this is the worst thing about telling people your story. The way people look at you and blame you as if it is your fault. They struggle to understand why and how and do attach blame and negativity towards you (ie me) or the " victim". It is a disgusting sickness in society that people choose to look at situations of people's pain and torment, not with understand or empathy, but analytic criticism and blame. This world lacks empathy everywhere, and I believe this has a lot to do with what's wrong with the world. This is why I rather suffer in silence than have my pride and integrity taken away again. It feels like a continuation of the abuse.

Well said. Who are you?

@@Payton35001 I think it's terrible that you feel you can't go to anyone. Maybe the safest approach is to start by telling people that you have trauma without explaining the nature of the trauma. People don't have to know the details to heal you, and you don't have to tell every doctor or therapist everything every time. It's unreasonable for people to expect you to divulge something as personal as that on the first encounter or for a routine physical exam.

Sad thing is the those who are ardently self-professed victims are far too often narcissists looking for attention, and true victims of trauma, unfortunately, tend to struggle silently, either through fear, or fear and 'macho' repression, man or woman, further cultivating neuroses.

​@@HoganplyPersonality disorders can be difficult to treat. Unfortunately, I find that personality disorders and substance abusers tend to be vulnerable populations with higher exposures to trauma, even as these populations are often the source of trauma for others. It's so important to treat victims, so that they don't become perpetrators. We have prisons full of people who take turns being both.

Have you seen the video here on KZfaq titled Marilyn Manson - website intro. It's literally Manson beating Evan up. Can't believe this has been ignored for so long

@@mirellefritz9862 I have not and I do not want to see it for myself, so I just have to take your word for it. But even if this video didn’t exist the signs would still be obvious

@@rebbi8548 I understand and respect your decision to not watch. And yes, the signs were always there, but I guess for me, Manson blurred the line between shock value and his real life. Perhaps intentionally, so no one would believe future victims.

@@mirellefritz9862 I feel the same way. Not just when it comes to intimate partner violence. There have been so many people that Manson has seriously hurt for no reason, all because he “is a shock rocker” I think we have made too many excuses for that kind of behavior

She's a liar. Lol

For what?

When she was young she was terrified, it was Brian Hugh Warner

Terrible. I would never have a child or teen in the modeling or acting business.

@@firenze5555 there’s a scene in Bruno where Sasha Baron Cohen is running a fake modeling agency looking for babies and he’s asking the parents if they would be ok with long lists of awful and/or dangerous things that he wants to subject the babies to for his shoots and the parents just readily agree to all of it. I find it hard to believe those people are real parents willing to subject their babies to this just for money and fame and yet they are. Why anyone would want their child to be an actor or model until they’re old enough to want it on their own is beyond me

@@Kyle_The_Mighty It's also putting children in adult situations and adult deadlines and pressures having a job. And then there's the very real threat of assault as there is little supervision and it doesn't take long to assault a person, especially a vulnerable child. A parent would have to be with their child every single second in that situation. Not worth it.

@@firenze5555 agreed. I think it’s time to just use cgi kids in movies. I’ll sacrifice the “realism” for child safety (and especially their psychological safety). I get that won’t work for small budget indie movies but if a studio that could afford that did that, I would pay to see that movie just on principle

Brian Hugh Warner

The great antichrist superstar 🤟

The one and only

She is a liar. #istandwithmanson

@@gayfrogs4206 he isnt great... hes horrible

Really, she said before it was him? Oh god, that makes me sick, how can he, or anyone, do something like this?

@@foxtrotecho9530 the time of the abuse fits perfectly to the time Wood and Warner were dating. she has not made it public for the fear of what the consequences could be.

@MB thanx for all the info, I've read some other infos too, is all very sad. I'm glad that at least they are better now (I hope they continue this way) and that they are not keeping all this inside of them anymore...

Why everybody assumes it was Manson? She dated a good number of other people...

Osvaldo Gil i’d assume it was him because of the timelapse

She may have been raped, but it’s pretty clear it wasn’t by Manson. Just because she says the right things, doesn’t make it true. Give me one shred of proof.. I’ll wait..

@@mikehunt7360 you can wait forever - I don't argue with internet trolls about rape. You're welcome to show proof that it's not true, but if you won't do that then I think I will continue to commend her for coming forward and sharing her experiences.

@@sbcumb238 Sorry, this comment was relevant 4 months ago.. troll.

@@sillyxostar Mike is salty because his mommy raped him...aww poor baby...

NO SYMPOTHY FOR IDIOTS THAT GET INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH A WELL KNOWN FREAK LIKE MANSON AND THEN CRIES RAPE JUST FOR KUDOS ALL I CAN SAY IS MORE FOOL YOU FOR NOT ENDING IT GETTING RID AND CALLING THE COPS! YOU MADE UR BED YOU FUCKING LAY IN IT 'AS THEY SAY! :/

Olive Papyrus no hero... She is woman much powerful than any super hero... She is devi, (fighter godessl

The coping brain doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. We _do_ have protection and laws. Trauma is just such a complex crime, with so little demonstrable evidence, especially of the emotional sort, that the necessary legal process is made unspeakably daunting. Avenues, however, for curtailing abuse, such as social programs, should be _a lot_ better funded. Quesiton is...how.

As a survivor of sexual abuse myself, a lot of my grounding now in healing and recovering as best as I can comes in that form. Talking to the version of myself that was lost during the abuse and telling her she is safe and she is protected now. Granted, I was a child when it all happened but telling that version of myself that she is safe and that I am proud of her and am grateful she didn’t give up and that I will protect her eases my mind enough to fall asleep or continue on with my day

ok but going out with a guy who looks like him? you cannot be THAT childish as an adult. walking right into that? seriously? talk about dead giveaway... jesus....

Ricardo Santos you cant possibly think that you can know someone will abuse you by how they look. A lot of abusers look “normal” while say Alice Cooper looked scary but didn’t do what Marilyn Manson did. Other people at that time were dressing up as a character in bands of that style but that doesn’t mean they embrace abuse. Goth doesn’t equal absolute immoral conscience.

@@dg12317 have you heard about better safe than sorry? You know it is something adults do.

Oh really...? But you dont seem to have any problem using a provocative photo for your avatar.....? Why is it that the biggest portion of women who seem to enjoy sharing their rape stories, Also like to portray themselves as sexually adventurous?

So sorry this happened to anybody...

Unfortunately that's how it can go for some survivors. We convince ourselves that what happened could have been worse and that it's not a huge deal, then put on a brave face and return to society. I can't tell you how many times I've heard those exact words.

You do have her strength. We all do!! Guys included. It happens to all genders. I myself have been a survivor of several different abusers, in so many different forms. And, it's taken me over a decade but now finally now I speak. I actually am in the process now of writing "My Life Story." In which I will name no names at all, as I do not feel that is necessary for my story, but I will discuss details. This happens everywhere, not just "Hollywood." You are brave. Walk in that.❤

She didnt go through anything. Youre just siding with her out of a general hatred for Manson because youre a sheep.

What book and passage or chapter

Respectfully, the LAST thing I'd do is look at anything that comes from his mind.

@@adamturner1563 Did you not watch this video...... or hear the numerous women speaking out against him now..??

@@adamturner1563 yeah, jealousy definitely makes you suicidal, suuuure. Maybe that's true for you. Sucks that abusive assholes have to take accountability for their actions, hm? Btw, I was a fan. Not anymore.

Read what you just said. Its SUPPOSED to sound like manson, because she carefully studied up on him to a T to make sure her story sounds legit. So of course she read that book..she was obsessed with him.

There are 4 other alleged "victims" all, when the statute of limitations deadline was approaching that all said they had repressed memories of abuse, all on que. I'd suggest looking up the channel Colonel Kurt's. She has been following this from the beginning. ERW is another fake DV victim that hatched this plan with the help of another woman (I don't recall her name) This woman cold called, (emailed), women who were exes and got them to get together on a ZOOM call. She produced a fabricated FBI report complete with an actual an FBI agents forged name, and essentially said, "see, MM is under investigation by the FBI - He's bad guy. Sue him and its easy money." This is another #metoo hoax. But watch some vids of ERW and see if you can't see something. When describing her relationship, notice how often she does what AH did in the interview last Friday. She'll go from him or me, to a generalized statement using you or they pronouns. Not staying with he did this He did that. Or I did this or that. She's just another Amber 💩

I agree. Innocent until proven guilty. Learnt a hard way. She sounds more believable than amber. I only noticed amber stole few lines from her too. Few women came out to accuse manson. By 2 or 3 witnesses truth shall be established. Amber is 100% liar. Nothing authentic about that vile woman

Imagine how destroying a whole mans career just cause she's bitter without any evidence yet..We cant just get on her side without evidence.Ive seen alot of innocent men go to jail just for an accusation from a woman.

@@marilyndoll2929 Marilyn Manson doesn't care about you personally, he'll never even know your name, and being a pick-me wouldn't make you look any special in his eyes.

@@marilyndoll2929 how pathetic that you care more about his career than what he put her through, she made this statement years ago, so you think she's been lying for years? You are just blind!

@@valeriaives1135 your pathetic pfff

@@marilyndoll2929 Imagine u saying something like that and not being able to see her dedication to this cause, and her strength of character. Imagine u thinking she should worry about his damned career.

True, now she needs to rewrite her past once again, this time about hooking up with a new monster, Illma!

Keep in mind she is a drama queen actor who knows how to read a script and turn it into a greek tragedy. You believe whatever she peddles from a bias. Even if he is guilty of a few things, she is no better. Her argument is way too one sided. But likely all it is, is that she is jealous over a breakup and realizes she is losing benefits.

I don't think she is talking about him, he dated Rose McGowan too she is very outspoken about sexual abuse and she never called him out.

@@nad0862 - She met him at 20 & had a decade-long relationship. She says it was a long-term relationship. *She wasn't with anyone else.* Do the math.

@Bill - The math I *just* laid-out above. *Sound-out the words if you must.*

@Bill - *Troll much Captain Lonely?*

I've always loved his music but agree on the fact that he should be persecuted if it is him.

Not hard to figure out, if you're a fan of his, Evans and Esme Bianco. Look up Esme's testimony, then look at the pics she uploaded on Twitter. Now look up Esme's boyfriends on Google image. You'll see Esme in public with a famous man wearing the same outfit she has on in her pic on Twitter. Same hairstyle as well. Unless she has worn that dress for years , its pretty narrow time window between these pictures, like they were taken on the same night. Now look at the time period Evan dated the same guy. We know who it is, he just hasn't been named publicly by them yet.

I also found the image of her (in the pink dress) and manson out on may 25th which is her birthday as described on her instagram. So awful. Now I feel terrible for supporting his music all of these years.

I think I know

may m.lotfi Marilyn Manson

@Sequoiah Dreams agree

Your words not mine: she is rarely credited with that recognition by the media. All this after 10 years to get attention and money!

Facts

Exactly mine as well

Truth 💯

Tasha Vladimiroff Wow. May I ask what happened?

it is definitely him, she just can't name him yet for legal reasons

@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess what Marilyn Manson? That dude wow!!!

@@supertrendymoneymaker0722 He's screwed up in the head!

@@Goodmorningyouall Cause since it's a serious accusation she can't name him without being prepared for legal battle with him, and having evidences. She was probably advised by a lawyer

Brian Hugh Warner

She can’t, the statue of limitation for her ended over a decade ago. As she points out even if the Phoenix Act is put into law it still won’t go far enough back to let her abuser get arrested let alone prosecuted.

@@gateauxq4604 God i seriously hope that changes

But like is she wrong?

She's right

Amber definitely took few pointers from her testemony. Panic attacks, rules around intimate partners, waking up and screaming. Rachel sounds believable amber is court certified liar. I will wait for the court and evidence

what? you mean the over acting of Amber Heard? Evan - bless her, has been through a lot and clearly doesn't need to over act or act at all, maybe act strong/brave but nothing else, Amber, however, as she clearly has never suffered at the hands of someone who was supposed to love her, had to act and over act she did, and everyone seen through her.

@@Alexandra_Hill yes, really wrote it as an irony, but now reading it after 3 months, does sound like that. I just wanted to point out implicitly to the abysmal differences between both testimonies.

But Manson actually has evidence against her though, like how she faked an FBI letter to be used against him.

Satanist do not commit ritual abuse. That's a lie made up by Christians. One they've use to demonize nearly every religion outside their own. Pagans anyone? Satanists actually respect all life. Most Levayists are even vegetarians. As for blaming Manson: "I wouldn’t trade any of [our relationship]," Wood told Net-a-Porter’s The Edit in August 2015. "I appreciate everything he taught me. I just don’t think we were right for each other." But yeah "facts" and "satan". Lol

Pink Nosebleed I agree about the satanism part. However, the comments about the ex aren't proof. She mentioned she was raped a decade ago, but didn't get professional therapy and the chronic PTSD diagnosis until seven years after the rapes. That puts it roughly around three years ago that she got help, and likely began to recognize much of the abuse for what it truly was. Being hit is much easier to see as abuse than when you're being emotionally, psychologically manipulated in cruel, violent ways. It's also very true that people defend their abusers, even when police are called because a partner is being beaten, etc... But by the time police arrive, or the next day, they decline to press charges - recanting their stories to the police (who SAW the aftermath)... Because they "love them". (Also why more and more places have enacted laws where the police can proceed with these charges, after seeing repeat abusers beating the crap out of their partners, and then threatening them if the proceed with charges and/or that they're "sorry, baby; I'll never do it again!" etc...). IF it's Manson, she may well still have been in that cloud of needing to protect him, fearing him, even being in denial that he'd abused her... The timeline certainly sounds like it points to him, along with other things people have pointed out, such as him saying how he thought about bashing her head in with a sledgehammer, and after their breakup, apparently making a video featuring someone who looked just like her, where he apparent beats the life out of her while she's bound in her underwear. * Note: I haven't seen this video, and from the description, choose not to. The fact that a number of people have mentioned it makes me quite concerned... It's normal, perhaps, to be angry when you're "dumped" or something... But fantasizing about killing them? That's not "art", that's disturbed.

Whoops, that's pretty long for a comments section, but I think it's important to consider certain things. I don't think satanism, as you note, is the cause. But that doesn't mean someone isn't ALSO sick, y'know?

They constantly break up and back again..You can see

I agree. Didnt he make a video where he hired a lookalike to kill her?

No it’s hot

@@solaria5513 your parents must be proud of you.

@@yoursicksecret why would anyone care about what their parents have to say about anything? let alone try to "make them proud" .....

@@solaria5513 What, exactly, do you think is 'hot' about his potential crimes?

@@solaria5513 you are so sick

Maybe you find out more before being skeptical out of ignorance next time

Of course. It's inappropriate to dress casually in a court room. She is dressed in what is appropriate for the situation.

Yes I love stronger women to I'm proud to be married to one. I love Evans work and how talented she is. Iv always ment rapists should get a harder punishment in the court than someone who murders someone cause someone who has been raped has to live with all the feelings and the fear for the rest of the life. And yes you should stand together but don't forget us normal guys we can stand together with you also. Not just because of our strength but our support for what's right. Rapists are the worst scum on the planet same with men that beat or physically abuse women. I'm so proud for all of you that this happened to and that you find the strength and courage to not let them win, never give up there are good guys out there to that would do anything to prevent this from happening.

There's no words to describe the great hatred and discust I have for you lying feminist pigs.

Emma MacGregor I pray you become closer and that you make up for lost time

why is it crazy? crazy and disgusting that he finds this behavior a sexual and emotional outlet at the expense of others.

Yes...

She is an actress so how do we know she is not acting here..just to get revenge on her ex manson..There are crazy bitter exes out there that would say anything for revenge. Innocent until proven guilty.

@@marilyndoll2929 Acting? Give this woman an Oscar. I don't know anyone who would put so much time and effort into passing a law like this over nothing. Time will tell. It's okay if we disagree if he did or didn't. It's sad on both sides, obviously a lot of people are affected. I liked his music, he's certainly a talented artist. But I dont think she's doing it for any reason besides healing and helping others & I hope nothing like this ever happens to you.

@@marilyndoll2929 it’s disappointing you would side with a potential rapist and abuser, instead of a potential liar.

But she's speaks in such general terms. She's refusing to go into details yet is speaking about it with rehearsed lines (multiple videos- same words.) 10 years later. Something isn't adding up especially when she says she didn't realize she was. So is it a Manson says that her memories are being played the wrong way because she's been told otherwise?

That is ridiculous and NO therapist would say such a thing. I was taught to not give people nightmares.

well I would say that there are always both parts playing in any interraction dynamic!

@@fleurdeclementine I agree but he wrote a book many years ago where he admits his terrible behaviour towards women and how he was using his status to do what he wants.he was very open about it.

@@samy.1500 yes sure he's honestly facing on his side the pattern of the dynamic, but the dynamic is also called by the other part who is unconsciously playing a role in it

@@fleurdeclementine don’t blame the victims

@@fleurdeclementine she is the victim thats for sure. Pure example-Amber Heard is a narcissistic liar and abuser and compare her testimony to the one of Evan’s. You can see Evan and other Manson’s ex girlfriends are clearly traumatized. When you are a victim of abuse, constantly gaslighted, abused, physcially and emotionally hurt, its pretty clear who is dictating the dynamics. If this was so one dimensional as you say there would be no abuse on the planet. Plus look at so many proof from Manson himself in the interview. Its obvious that what was suppose to be a show for public was actually his true face.

Loved her since Digging to China!

Luarue P she is so amazing for being able to play such a variety of characters I supposed she learned from having to cover up with a mask her entire life. (Sexual identity, Molestation etc...) 😢

She is not the characters she plays in films. And what you see here is no less of an act.

that's what trauma will do to you. try to talk about it without breaking down. show some empathy!

@@adamturner1563 I agree!

@@adamturner1563 shut up with the cancel culture dumbass - MM had a chance to speak up and he abruptly cut off an interview recently when he was asked for his side. Hes a rich and powerful man and had tons of PR and assistants he can tell his side ANY time... rapists and abusers SHOULD be cancelled. “She liked it” well, usually when you like something and it’s consent you don’t write a bill and go in front of state legislature to try helping victims. He befriended these women built their trust, he used his fame to his advantage. Geez, you are so dumb. Stop idolizing MM

@@toriorourke6702 nail on the head.

Adam Turner He himself stated that he daydreamed about smashing her head in with a sledgehammer. He raped her while she was waking up from lack of consciousness and told her he could kill her. Is that acceptable in your book just because he's a shock rocker? Really?

Innocent until proven guilty..ill wait before judging MM..Woman can do these type of accusations and find it very believable um sorry but im not that dumb..Ill wait for a Trial..people dont understand that some people can do this for revenge and not question there motives.

That was a horrific movie.

That's the film that got Manson's attention.

@@Iceis_Phoenix It was a love tap. Watch KIDS!

One of my favourite movies is Across the Universe. She is a phenomenal singer as well. Blackbird fly!!! A big thank you to Evan for fighting for something so so important in this world.

@@cbear1537 I agree that was a good one too. “Also running with scissors “

I don't think she met MM at aged of 13? She was abused before him too. Apparently

Well geez, what did she expecT? Look at him.

She does it for the money. Same as she endured abusment , all for the money. Basicly she was selling her body for other man amusment..So we all get what ask for , mostly...

@@kostalazovic5135 what the hell. that role is literally about taking over control upon becoming more aware and reaching a point of consciousness. she takes revenge and tries to create a new, better world. I feel like she chose that role because it resonates with her, not everyone could pull off that powerful acting just for money...

@@kostalazovic5135 Wtf dude no she took all of her suffering and pain and channeled it into this character Dolores who is struggling to be free too She chose this character as a path to guide her pain productively

@@kostalazovic5135 Evan was successful on her own, she didn't need Marilyn Manson's money. Don't accuse people of accepting abuse for money, that very disingenuous and hurtful

are you dumb?

@@floppyflopflop_ are u