you need an xmaxx, they love skate parks! just put an arrma sticker on it you'll love it!

I have a feeling that the flex and the range of motion in the center shafts are there to allow it to absorb impacts. It’s not a flaw if it doesn’t affect the performance or handling.

I think that people should know this when buying a car of this price. Excellent video mate.

The 2 kids in the background was loving that!..😂

What’s a little flex among friends? Glad to see an honest review of this thing. It may be big, but, ....

Honest video as always. Thanks for the heads up on this. Looked cool but I thought flexing was for rc crawlers,lol

Haven't been tempted by a buggy for a while, but this has me wanting one. And I have a upgrade here for it

I’ve made on my 3D printed a top deck for this chassi. Works perfectly. Now the chassi is rigid like a rock! Cheap and easy upgrade! You may try!

Thanks for sharing your experience with us Phil!👍🏻👊🏼🍻

THANK YOU Phil 👌🙂 That's why i mentioned on your other video that Skate Park "Test" is very pertinent for seeing material and construction quality/details, futures and limitations. Already knew (from other review) that was a Good Track chassis but, and after this that happened, we became with a very valuable information to decid better how to tackle (or not) that Chassi/Model🙂 PS: Oh dear ... it was running stock and not even took half of the 144001 epic beating 🤔 👏👏👏👏👏👌

@Tomley RC. I added a top braces to mine and no more flex at all. The 144001 has a top brace so I am not sure why the left it off the 104001. I went brushless with it and added the top braces and its fine. I believe you can get them in carbon fiber from Makerfire.

Great advice Bro!! Very honest! Awaiking mods and upgrades for sure!! Have a great day!!

Great video as usual Tommy. That new WLTOYS model does flex like my FOX BODY Mustang GT. See her there in my thumbnail? 1986 and that’s when I bought her brand new. She looks better now then in 86! I think for 95% of the people who buy this car they will be happy. I love the way you show us some results from some extreme testing. I think WLTOYS single handedly brought me back after 10+ years of not being into the RC Game. Now my collection is rapidly approaching a dozen cars and Monster trucks. I called up Traxxas last week because I needed to order a new front end suspension piece for my mint condition...ready for this? Traxxas EMAXX! I knew it was rare and not made anymore but the dude from Traxxas was freaking out. He said: fix the car, remove the big ass Nicad batteries and put it up on a shelf. I told him that I never bashed it because I bought it from a real Hobby shop that is long gone of course and it cost me over $500.00 about 15+ years ago. Actually I think he said they have not made those in 20 years actually. Wow. It’s stock and runs great. Just had to buy new battery packs of course. Easy front end Traxxas OEM part so she is still #’s matching😂😂😂. My I should take her to Barrett-Jackson? Cheers mate!

Threw a upper cross brace on mine changed gearing got to 100mph with a $80 brushless motor n 4s n gearing… had to take it apart and grease everything but I paid $100 for it and parts from lc fit… great deal 10/10 if u know what your doing …. Not for people who don’t like building looking for a rtr

Waiting for mine to be delivered. From what I've seen it's a good car but thanks for the heads up . Don't plan on jumping mine tbh but definitely brushless upgrade

Thanks mate, I almost bought one today but saw your video come up and glad I watched it first. Dodged a bullet there!

Long turnbuckle between the shock towers fixes it 👍

After see you video. I'm so happy that I was order the VRX Cobra and not the 104001. No waywhat metal are they using? No way I waste my money on that car.

Thank you for the honest review on this 👍

Very informative buddy. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Good review Phil , I think these buggies are toy grade camouflaged to make them seem hobby grade . Even though they look the part they have a lot of limitations. Doesn’t mean you can’t have fun with them just temper your expectations.

Excellent video with all the pros and cons 🤗👍👍👌

Price and durablity is on point for a rtr beginner budget indoor track buggy. As you stated thou not really suited for outdoor bashing etc. good review.

I imagine there is carbon fiber and metal chassis and brace options on the way already. Utimate mod series on this car in your future.

Great review as always. Hope they take note and do something as it would be a shame if they didn't.

I would be up for designing a brace plate for that, Factory is a great service for getting metal parts machined and formed, used them for work last year.

I have mine already on the way. Well lads,hope you will come up with some good idea of improvement of the chassi. Like your video. Also Kevs

Good looking basher, although that little flex puts me off. Thanks for the honesty mate.

Thanks for the amazing video as always keep up the great work

Can't wait to see the next video motor upgrade.

Yeah, need a brace. Good test and informative video, mate.

Great video Tomley, as always. I have been looking for a half decent 1/10 scale buggy for a little while and wondering whether it's worth getting the DHK 8383 Optimus or this. I'm going to be doing a brushless conversion anyway so looking for a good chassis. Seems I should go for the DHK.

Nice buggy, maybe I should get one, I really like the 144001, but having it in 1:10 scale would be nice. But I will use it for bashing so need to fix the flexing somehow.

for u[pgrading run time you would up the miliamp hour on the battery right? so like if my rc ran a 2s 600 miliamp hour battery could i like put a 2s 2000 miliamp hour battery to it and it would work right?

Best to buy one from makerfire and get the carbon top deck included in the sale for about $14 extra Makerfire also have the option of buying it with no electrics & with carbon top deck. I am just getting the RTR version with carbon top deck then upgrading steering servo by using left over parts I pulled out of a brushed maverick quantum when I swapped it to brushless. I think it's a decent budget buggy if you add a top deck. It's not a kyosho inferno, but it's also not a grand.

WLToys Kings of Butter Metal parts! I sure hope they don't make handcuffs :D

I love how they put out factory videos of them ramming bricks and jumping it off of rooves and nothing happens. Hit the lip of a skate ramp at 15mph and you mess the motor up.

Needs either full length brace or chassis edges kicked up for rigidity. Another good review Phil.

great review and information,cool buggy

When you showed the buggy the first time I was wondering why there was no top plate. Wonder if WLtoys makes an option for it?

I'm planning to get one soon ! Does the car chassis fit the standard hard case battery pack?

Flex is good. Less likely to break

Lol, I just built a Mojave and to put the center brace in you need to squeeze the car to put the center brace in. When you flexed the car in the beginning it was what I hade to do to install it. Maybe a center rod would help?

I got a 144001 last year and a hard crash ripped the motor out stripped the screws. Then this year i got my brother a 144001 and i got a second one we both crashed ours and th emotor did exactly th esame as the motor in your 104001. I think the cans on these newer 550 motors are softer i noticed mine bent the front endbell whch distorted the front enough to push the front bushing over and cause it to drag like yours my brothers did the same but some how his busted some of the fan blades off it. He bent his back and it was smooth but the fan threw it all out of whack and it vibrated like a cellphone motor it was crazy.

between that and a 5 wire servo I really think I will be avoiding this one , for now at least anyway. honesty as always bud 👍😀

If the chassis pan is aluminum below... maybe switch to a steel one or maybe we can develop a brace, flex wasnt such an issue on rwd buggys, and the thinness of the chassis wasn't a problem for the smaller ones, but this is their model 001. The 104001 is 10thscale4wdmodel001, as almost all their cars are set up. Its like a Chinese version of associated's RC10B OR RC10GT etc.

I get the same motor issue on my 144001. On front impact the magnets in the can slide into the plastic internal fan. However, in the 144001, the motor is the other way around, so I can push the magnets back off the internal plastic fan using a little screwdriver through the motor holes. Looks like the 104001 might be trickier to solve being the other way around. Perhaps give the motor a few good taps on the wire-end down?

Awesome video Very informative bro 👍

I saw problems where front bevel gear destroyed, do you think because of that chassis flex problem? I think when you jump the bevel gear slams into drive gear

That driveline gives me Blackfoot flashbacks.Over and over having to pop the dog-bone back in its socket.

No way am I paying £113 plus £17 shipping knowing thats how it'll turn up. Mind I've already got the fix worked out very simple Tomley, ecellent content on this one dude.

I think if they could make a brace that fit from shock tower to tower, basically doubling the thickness of the towers(they have to be weak right). Does look like it would work, more importantly is it a good idea. I knew it had to have some weakness. Also I think I would run a basher bar on bottom with tabs, so a droop screw mod could be done as well

Hey Tomley, have you ever checked out the Buggy „V.4B“ by Vkar. It is stock 3S capable, has both, an unbranded 60Amp Robitronic ESC and an unbranded 3652, 3250KV Robitronics Motor running 80km/h out of the box and costs 286USD (free shipping) on Aliexpress. I upgraded mine with a 4S capable 120A ESC so it now runs over 100km/h without changing anything else than the battery and ESC! 🙌🏻 I really don‘t know why there is no bigger hype around that buggy while it is clearly better than the 104001 🤔 Maybe you can start a hype around it? 😋

And that is why real racing buggies use carbon fiber supports instead of some kind of cheap alloy metal. I see a lot of stuff was copied from the TLR 22X-4 in a terrible way. And whats with the metal spur gear. I feel as if they think more metal is better, but its quite the opposite.

for that flex issue ...i would run a strip of carbon,metal or plastic one on each side inside the buggy i reenforce planes all the time...easy fix...for guys running on street not needed.

Is it the same metal as the 124019? If so they need a bit stronger metal for the extra length

Loving the channel (fan of you, Kev and the rc kiwi's) I'm looking at my next project and I'm trying to decide between the 104401 and the 124019 or splash out and get a roller zd racing ex07 (if they ever deliver to the uk) just can't decide... Mrs will kill me eitherway lol..

Long live to 144001, best cheap RC forever

Great vid Phil, not sure any of the other channels picked this flaw up. Great little car but giving it a miss on the grounds of divorce after getting the Typhon and Flux....🤣

maybe building a metal piece between the front and rear shock tower helps with the flexy chassis.

Awesome vid mate

"that is just me FLEXIN with my hand" 💪

I can't see any benefit of this 104 over the 124 (same running gear but heavier, slower, worse run time, more expensive etc) and now the chassis flexes?! Rushed to market to fill a niche? I would save my money and put it towards one of the LC Racing buggies which look excellent.

Good honest review bro,, but I don't like willtoys,bangood etc,,lol anyways how that little dl truck getting on? 😉👍

Just take some small screws and stiffen the pan with painter stir sticks

Bro the flex is good this is amazing buggy

I would make a thicker aluminum chassis for it. That will stop any bending or braking. I have already modified it with new electronics, next will be my chassis and then a brace. Great video!👍

Very balanced r/c!!!!

Wow, that real;y needs a brace plate on the upper of the chassis.

where is that skate park by the way because i live close i think because you have mentioned pbmracing

I just stick some velcro under the chassis so it doesn’t slap hard on the metal, not sure if it makes much of a difference tho

only a matter of time before a thicker chassis plate is available

So basically they need to add a top deck/brace/plate ... Or you could make your own from the scrap aluminum, g10 fiberglass or kevlar/graphite/carbon of your chosing. A pin router and or Dremel and less than $10 strip of scrap till the V.2 a top deck is no biggie ...

The flex is good it will take the damage from hard landings. You want a controlled flex trust me. It's like extra suspension That's why aluminum Control arms don't work they don't flex

You drove it very modirest and it broke . That has way to much chassis flex . The 124019 is the best wltoys rc . I have watched +30 video reviews taking in to account pros and cons . I just ordered 3 . One for me and my 2 boys . We are going to have a blast 😀

When would the chassis actually bend like that during use? Doesn't really seem like that big of an issue.

Ftx carnage and those series of chassis have the same flex problem

I am really happy whit my 4S 144001! 😂

I've been slightly underwhelmed with the 104001 so far. It's not given me the excitement factor that I got with the 124019 when I picked that up

How long does the battery last? In description there is mentioned 9min. Is that real - so short?

With some braces and cheap reinforcements it could be better, not sure it's worth the hassle of doing that tho

Wheelbase? How about put it with rally body shell?

Oh man I just was watching the unboxing a second ago haha

I like the look of this model it looks really nice in terms of the body and the fact that all the suspension and drivetrain etc......is METAL, looks solid but why they put a brushed motor in it thay might as well have put a decent brushless in it, even if it cost a little more I would DEFO buy it then, how long before the bloody brushed motor wears out and you gotta put a new one in or convert it to Brushless.I would just go for the ZDracing equivalent, it would be just as good and yet has a Brushless motor which is always better !!! Manufacturers let themselves down in this respect. Rob

There is little to no grease in the diffs. To me 7 minutes in run time is a step back 5-10 years.

If problem is the whole drivetrain is held to the chassis by 2 Chinese bolts into a Chinese grade aluminum .5 cm wide and 2 cm long. If they put a spool with a four bolt would make this buggy perfect for 150$

Nice Video man. You have a nice balance too your vids, really enjoy them! The 104001 is pretty average IMO. OK for the price but just to basic. 5 wire servo and spaghetti chassis. No thanks.

Powder metal

I reckon the top deck brace found on the other WL Toys models gives it that extra strength. Wonder why they didn't put it on the 104001?

How do you change rear toe on this one?

If you had to choose between the 104001 or the 144001 what one would you choose? The 104001 is bigger but it's slower. I kind of think it would be a great car to upgrade and parts seem to be available. Thanks for sharing this car with us. Now I just need to consider what one I should buy. ❤

Is a budget *buggy* made to be jumped? In all fairness to the buggy. Also on concrete? Didn't really stand a chance imho.

Has anyone seen the panda hobby 6x6 1/18 someone review this crawler beast

The kids adore about it.

Easy fix.

Haha can’t wait to see it brake

Can this buggy accommodate a 4s battery?

great video showing cheap ass manufacturing short commings that will end up in disaster when at the skate park or a real hard bash well at least we know that if we brace it up for the money is a real good top player and i reackon will be able to get 150mph speed machine out of it yet still i will be getting one as i dont drive that hard just fast lol cheers Tomley

At least it did not blow up!!

this is the one thing i was worried about with this buggy