Watch This Before Building A French Cleat Wall!
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I haven't been a big fan of french cleat walls because they have a tendency to let things fall off. Sure, there are ways to lock french cleats, but believe it or not, I had a hard time finding a locking french cleat system out there that wasn't overcomplicated or overengineered. So I set about designing my own and I'm genuinely shocked at how easy these french cleat locks are to make and how well they work!
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The KEY To A Perfect Locking French Cleat 10/29/2020
@asoggyburger479 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how you include things that other videos don’t. Such as the math, alignment to the kerf, how you found certain measurements and how you marked them. Very very helpful for newer woodworkers like me. Awesome!
@brandonhoffman4712 3 ай бұрын
Just do magnets and a thin layer of metal on the wall cleats. For a super cool look swap to copper and force patina that stuff!
@ubequity 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea! When you were drilling the hole to do the cut out, I got this idea: why not use the right size (same height as the key) doweling rod, drill such a hole in the middle, and push the doweling rod through it to be your key. You can easily add a feature to make it come out easily. For extra secure fastening you could put such a doweling rod key on each side of a fixture.
@Segphalt 2 жыл бұрын
This is similar to what I do. Except any size dowel can be placed through the shelf and under the receiving wall cleat. Then you only need one near the middle of and just the nature of triangles makes it pretty secure without need to do both ends. Can get weird if you have existing shelves but, drill hole insert dowel seems like alot less effort to me for something that looks no better or worse. (Can be annoying when a dowel swells though)
@richardearl9711 4 ай бұрын
@@Segphalt you could use metal pins to avoid the swelling issue, they could then be flush with the front face, and you can use a magnet to remove them.
@brandonhoffman4712 3 ай бұрын
Your dowel idea gave me a dowel idea! Why not pre drill your wall cleats along the center. Then add a corresponding hole on each attachment to pop a plug into. If you wanted an upgrade from that, do some sheet metal behind the cleats, and make the dowels cylindrical magnets. May the French cleat be with you. These are not the dowels your looking for. I also saw somone laser cut French cleats that lock on. They were kind of a C shape. Seeing as I have an engraver, I should try that 1st. Whenever I redo my grandpa's peg board.
@vollyman1962 3 жыл бұрын
I use french cleats all over my shop.I simply use a pair of nails as a pins to lock the item in place. Just drill a hole for the nail so that it is jut below the cleat above on each side of the holder in question, insert, and your done. No making keys, no complicated cuts to insert things, nada. It simple and very fast to move things.
@kliether33 2 жыл бұрын
Agree! The solution in this video works, but is pretty overcomplicated.
@asdfdfggfd 2 жыл бұрын
Ive used these to hang fixtures around my apartment for nearly 20 years, and Ive never had an issue with things getting knocked off the wall...
@phorton7039 2 жыл бұрын
Talk about over engineered. Fine if you have the time, resources and equipment. I like the simplicity of your solution.
@raylewis1355 2 жыл бұрын
Hey sorry... call me a newbie. But I want to understand your nail approach. It sounds very simple and probably the perfect solution. But my dumb mind doesn't understand your explanation. Is there a chance you could explain that again, except for a dummy like me? Thx man
@panfull 2 жыл бұрын
@@raylewis1355 all he does is go 1 or 2 mill below the top cleat and drill a hole. You could use a nail or a dowel. As long as there is something there to stop it lifting it'll work :)
@davidgraham7279 Жыл бұрын
DUDE!!! OUTSTANDING video!!! Absolutely LOVE the close ups, where the blade meets the wood!!! CLEARLY making the video was MUCH harder than the actual project!!! VERY NICE!!!
@roylec 3 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty common over here in Europe to have a short ‘key’ - about 2cm with a stop on it. You only need one per fitting, not top and bottom, and you just slide it out when you want to move the fitting. Nice ones are brass. Older techniques include locking pins like dowels, rotating blocks etc. So, I would say you’ve done a good job here, but you’re on a journey hundreds of years old and you’ll be doing this more simply in years to come. Love your video style by the way.
@roylec 3 жыл бұрын
Oh. One more method is a little wire hook you push through a hole to stop the upward movement.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Christian and that's very interesting, I kind of like learning that I'm reviving very old techniques (they're usually the best anyway) so I really appreciate the information!
@Kadranos 2 жыл бұрын
I really like this, and it's such a straightforward solution I don't understand why it hasn't always been a part of the system! For a narrow cleat wall like the one shown you could just make the key the full length of the cleat, locking everything there into place. It's not like removing the key makes them all fall, so taking out the key that's holding multiple items doesn't really make it that much harder. Then, instead of cutting a huge channel to get to the key, you could just cut a semi-circle from the side of each fixture to be hanged. It makes it all more modular and rearrangeable as then you don't care what's next to what - any of them will allow you to remove the key.
@austinporco2685 Жыл бұрын
French Cleat lock idea is straight forward, brilliant and inexpensive. Thanks so much for sharing. Still learning stuff at 60. 👍👍👍
@BusyBeesWorkshop 3 ай бұрын
Just watched this video as a brand new woodworker and am so grateful that you explain so much and don’t assume we already know. You are an awesome teacher. I will watch all your videos now. Also love how you showed the formula on different sheets and then showed it in practice.
@johannesgross1732 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea! Alternative: My suggestion ist to drill a hole at correct posiotion and insert a dowel from frotn side as a blocker.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting idea for sure 🤔
@altcompbinaries 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say. Or a tape hinged square piece that swings into a small dado.
3 жыл бұрын
@@altcompbinaries I like that.
@ceasars1997 3 жыл бұрын
Ive had the same problem with french cleats rhat the video creator has with cleats. My solution was to drill a small hole and slip a nail in the hole instead of your proposed dowel solution. does exactly the same thing. Tie the nail with a string for convenience when you pull it out. i also like the nail over dowel because you can either bend it to have a handle or it has the nail head you can easily grasp with gloves. Drilling a hole is also quicker and easier than setting up your table saw to make keys - for many at least. In summary key is a good solution but still slightly over engineered
3 жыл бұрын
@@ceasars1997 nails aren't pretty though.
@Deximaru 2 жыл бұрын
As a total noob to woodworking, I appreciate the extra effort with everything from demonstrating the math to how and why you use the push sticks. 👍
@Ham68229 2 жыл бұрын
I use french cleats all the time, never "knocked" any off the wall, then again, nothing I hang on my walls are considered "light weight" either. Great video, cheers :)
@LimitOfN 3 жыл бұрын
First I noticed the Portland location in the heading. That was point number one. Then you mention using Fusion360. Point number two. Then I see the Beavers shirt. That would be point number 3. Then you bring in the math and I realized there were too many points to be given here and I was only 1:30 seconds in! As a fellow Portland resident, who attended OSU, and who uses fusion 360, and loves how useful application of math can be (as an engineer by training), this may have been my favorite youtube video so far! Liked and subscribed. Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge.
@1freshveggies 2 жыл бұрын
I built a French cleat tool wall system. I love this locking modification you figured out. Brilliant simplicity. Thank you for sharing.
@petenelson8136 2 жыл бұрын
I've been watching French cleat videos for some time now so that I could figure out exactly what I want to do in my shop, and this was by far the most informative video I've seen = I just subscribed. Love your formula and the key was a stroke of genius.
@brandonhoffman4712 3 ай бұрын
Somone in the comments beat this key with 2 nails places under the cleat so as not to nail into anything, but secure the stuff on the cleats. You can also still move them around. I've seen similar designs with laser cut cleats in sort of a C shape with a protrusion underneath the cleats.
@gavinberry1796 4 ай бұрын
Just to add my appreciation for your idea & work!
@JDnBeastlet 3 жыл бұрын
Nice solution. The bad news is that I built a French cleat wall before watching this. The good news is that the cleats are on the wall behind the bench and knocking them off accidentally has never been a problem.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Haha glad we avoided a crisis 😁
@teacheme Жыл бұрын
Watched this again today and thought I'd add my suggestion. If you don't mind small holes in your backing wall and the holder is going to be in place semi-permanently, use a small screw through the holder to fasten it in solidly. I've been using this method for some time now and, if I want to move something, simply unscrew it, reposition then screw it back in it's new home.
@mrwigley9883 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to throw my y same idea in but you beat me, but I was thinking just place a short screw just below the upper cleat and you won't damage the cleat or back wall.
@jimparker871 9 ай бұрын
I was thinking exactly the same thing... Why go through all the hassle of making keys and having to perfectly size everything, when a simple, cheap screw accomplishes the exact same thing. Talk about over-engineering!
@psargaco 3 жыл бұрын
An improvement proposal on your solution: instead of having the top part of the support extend the whole width, why not cut a portion on the left and right, leaving just enough in the center to hold the key? That way you can easily push the key out from either side. The key doesn't have to be big, just enough to stop the support from being pushed up by accident.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
That’s actually brilliant!
@psargaco 3 жыл бұрын
Built on top of your solution,@@Craftswright. You build one step, I build the next, and so on 😉
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Haha we’d be unstoppable!!!!
@xyzsame4081 3 жыл бұрын
You are in a good tradition: Issac Newton: If I saw farther it is because I stoot on the shoulders of giants. * * Of course he had a rival that he did not like and that was a short man, so .... But we all know who Newton is, and no one remembers the name of the rival so there was no need to undercut his own wisdom - in case this was wise and petty at the same time.
@72BMR 2 жыл бұрын
It may also get pushed in to far, and then you can’t reach it from any side.
@RoshDroz 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you showing the math on determining cleat thickness. I want to hang some heavy stuff so I'm planning to make them a tad bit taller, but now I know how to easily convert the measurements.
@KillerT1921990 3 жыл бұрын
So easy and so genius. Well done !!!!!!!!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@crosbyong 3 жыл бұрын
Haha...love how you creatively & subtly slipped in the subscription reminder. 👍
@johndiasjr9000 3 жыл бұрын
Lol this just hit my feed I figured someone commented on the subliminal message I like it I'll sub
@Sebastopolmark 3 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of good information in this video. Yes, it's a simple key but how you got there is what put this tutorial above the rest. Good job! !! !!!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Sebastopolmark, thanks for the comment too 😁
@GrantOakes Жыл бұрын
I like the KISS concept and you NAILED it (with a braid I might add, pun intended).
@miguelnappo2535 2 жыл бұрын
Very good, when you inserted the key I just went "ya clever bastard!".
@samuelstrode4838 3 жыл бұрын
I have been meaning to make some French cleats for my area and you not only identified an issue I overlooked but provided an amazing solution as well. I would have liked to see the centering on the intercut a bit more imho
@sween187 3 жыл бұрын
A wee bit of cord attached to the key and to the French cleat, means it will always stay with the holder
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
THAT is brilliant!
@mcvirtual2574 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright Or just make the key a dowel (round of square honey badger don't care) with the same height you need to lock, and drill a hole on the fixture. Just goes in and out, like wait for it...... A KEY! Genius!!! You can put a wee bit of leather in a loop screwed to pull if you really want to get fancy or make a square hole (more like a rectangular probably laying horizontal). They can all be the same length and shape. Fixture is not going up unless you pull the key out and removable from anywhere without any complicated cuts. Doesn't even need to take much real estate, can be a corner an open sided hole, dead center on top or bellow go crazy. Cheers for the project and best to your channel.
@mcvirtual2574 3 жыл бұрын
Think bench dog, with a loop.
@andyelliott8113 3 жыл бұрын
@@mcvirtual2574 Exactly what I was just thinking. In my head I saw it as a push button lock, pull tag to open.
@christinashawgo6510 3 жыл бұрын
My thought exactly
@MartinSc76 Жыл бұрын
There is no overengineering in creating practicality….thank you so much for sharing this! I love the humor you put in, all the best!
@resilientrecoveryministries 3 ай бұрын
That dramatic reenactment was amazing. I felt it. You know? Like, really felt it.
@brandonhoffman4712 3 ай бұрын
It's been 2 weeks, can you still feel it?
@resilientrecoveryministries 3 ай бұрын
It's all I've felt. It's all I've ever felt
@brandonhoffman4712 3 ай бұрын
I think... Ya, that's it right? I think I feel it too. Pfft. Ohh... now I can smell it also...
@steenteudt 3 жыл бұрын
Geezz, your magic formula definitely points out why the rest of the world uses the metric system :o)
@domenicovent 3 жыл бұрын
Top!
@rossmcconchie1316 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to make the same comment!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the fixture cleat being a little less wide? That’s so there’s room for the locking key 😊
@StevenRerani 3 жыл бұрын
I think all these comments missed the point. I think he meant the math would be easier if you used the metric system. Which is true
@heyimamaker 3 жыл бұрын
I had to do the math myself because it made no sense to me. Metric all the way!
@benshell8662 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea man, can't believe I didn't think of it. I'm gonna use this in my tool trailer now. I'm a contractor and regularly have an hour drive each way to the jobsite so I end up with tools on the floor occasionally.... I think this might fix the problem
@gunnyoorah1846 Жыл бұрын
Now that is very helpful , for our quick and ready ammo shelves and hatchets ... Secured and Safety ... OORAH!!
@willhoward9190 Жыл бұрын
I have been wanting to try to build some for my shop. Thanks for making the process much more clear than I had considered... Great job...
@christianwells3945 3 жыл бұрын
You’re a funny and clever dude! Thank you for your post 😎 A lot of good points 🤓
@NickLuker 3 жыл бұрын
Math-a-magic, French, cleats, and keys. Oh myyyyyy. Glad to see you all safe and sound, now that the state isn't on the BBQ.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Bless Oregon and it’s incessant rain 🙌 😂
@NickLuker 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright can you send that rain down to Cali to put out our fires? We apparently don't take our forrest floors enough 😏
@erikandersen4440 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this design and your other video on another design for locking French cleats. There was a ton of helpful stuff in this. The formula and math examples are super helpful for me to plan out some workshop improvements and client projects.
@fleaniswerkhardt4647 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. And one that reminds me why the metric system is so good.
@Craftswright 2 жыл бұрын
Haha yes, and I'm slowly starting to integrate it into my workflow/videos/plans
@smurvje 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip about aligning the saw using a flat tooth. I always struggle with finding the center when sawing in an angle and usually ended up just eyeballing it and then trimming off some wood on the straight end. Also like the dowel solution some others mentioned. Was thinking of something like that as well when I saw you drilling that big hole in the middle.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
I still struggle with it haha it’s tricky for sure!
@JasonPeltier 3 жыл бұрын
Maaaan, the timing on this is perfect! I'm starting a French cleat wall tomorrow. Thanks!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Serendipitous!!! Glad I posted this today then 😉 interested to hear how your build goes!
@BeeHiverson 2 жыл бұрын
Tyrian Lanister is all grown up and working with wood now!
@seeingthepattern 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea … just as I’m planning a French Cleat. Imperial measurements always make me laugh, so thanks for that too.
@WarfareJournal 3 жыл бұрын
Please make a video where you actually cut the mustard, it would have been spectacular!
@robertstewart9658 2 жыл бұрын
Oh god, I was afraid he was actually going to do it.
@drbortz 3 жыл бұрын
After watching some of the over-engineered ones, this is exactly what I was thinking of doing. Glad to see it works... thanks!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Smart cookie drbortz! Cheers friend :)
@AngieWilliamsDesigns 3 жыл бұрын
I totally need the coffee holder! Lol! I do like your idea. You did make it more simple. I have random cleats on my wall. But noth a wall. Thanks for sharing.
@michaelkinney6581 2 жыл бұрын
I simultaneously think you're some kind of savage and some kind of genius for the way you did this XD
@vonSchwartzwolfe 3 жыл бұрын
Watching you drill that hole for your slot cut, I was thinking just push a dowl in the hole.😀 that would lock the cleat also without the big hole in your fixture.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Haha sometimes it’s right there in front of you if you only take the time to look 😂
@Maniwasaki 3 жыл бұрын
haha, exactly my thoughts
@avdoc4587 3 жыл бұрын
Came for the info on cleat system and stayed because it was a great video. Bonus is the OSU tee. Go Beavs, from a grad. Keep up the great work.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
That Civil War game was a pleasant surprise eh? Go Beavs!!
@markk3504 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright Yes it was! GO Beavs, I too noticed your shirt.
@judmcfeters9054 3 жыл бұрын
Craftswright - Ya can’t call it “the civil war” game anymore. The two universities said so and even claimed it was a mistake to have ever done so..Now, its been 6 months and they still can’t agree what we are supposed to call it instead. Regardless, how “insensitive” are you to use that “bad” term.
@markk3504 3 жыл бұрын
@@judmcfeters9054 The universities agreed not to use the term "Civil War" under pressure from a couple former and current student-athletes, but that does NOT mean fans can't continue calling it what it was called for the better part of 100 years. Rational people know this civil war is about a game between the north (OSU) and the south (UO) in the same state 40 miles apart ... and virtually nobody believes it has one single thing to do with the "War Between the States" or the "War of the Rebellion" or the "Great Rebellion" or the "War for Southern Independence".
@johnafagerquist8235 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have 3 walls of my small, 12'x13' shop French cleated from 36" to the ceiling. Lots of cleats! I've been stumped as to how to lock things conveniently, so have been putting off making all my tool holders and such. I'm on it now! Woooo hoooo!
@danowen278w 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This is best video I’ve watched on making and measuring French cleats. Your formula on finding the middle in order to cut the 45* is exactly what I was looking for. Your “key” method makes the cleat very secure. Thanks again my friend.
@51sicboy 3 жыл бұрын
Genius, I see you are located in Portland, stay safe my friend.
@michaeltooley7573 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of a full length key...as you said make it shorter...but make it in the shape of an "L" that way you can always grab hold of it!!!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Not a bad idea! Would be easy to do with an off-cut and some CA glue
@DisabledParkHopper 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright You can also make a slight taper on the key side of the L shaped Key. Insert one on each side to lock the shelf in all directions. This is especially good for larger shelves or boxes! It is a technique I have been using for many Years! I would like to send you a few designs to show you what I make!
@cooperised 3 жыл бұрын
If your key slot is ½" deep you could just bandsaw the L-shaped keys out of ½" ply.
@GSCt1000 3 жыл бұрын
And even add bluetooth to the keys so you can lock it in place. Extra security, with a app I In the phone to unlock the key.
@Struthio_Camelus 3 жыл бұрын
@@GSCt1000 Bluetooth and blockchain technology, so you always know where your keys are, too. I hung my flux capacitor on my french cleat wall that way.
@vauxy308 3 жыл бұрын
If I ever decide to build a french cleat wall , I'll watch this video. I promise.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
I'll hold you to it Lee lol
@chuckfinley5206 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as you showed that gap I went awwww. Saved this to watch again when I start on my shop.
@choffee 3 жыл бұрын
Those look really neat and feel much more convenient now you can pull the object from the holder without it coming off the cleat. I wonder if making the key shorter but with a slight angle on the top so that if forms a wedge might work. Having a 2cm or 1" key on each side that wedges in place might work. Either way locking the cleats is not something I had seen before. Thanks for sharing.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
I like the wedge idea for sure! My main goal with this was to simplify locking the cleats in place as much as I could. I’ll have to fiddle with the wedges, I’m sure they’d lock in the fixture even better but what I’m curious about is how easy they would be to repeatedly make and then once they’re wedged in how hard would they be to get back out? 🤔 great food for thought John!
@fredeisele1895 2 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright The wedged key could fit into a chamfer. This would also prevent the key from being over inserted as well as making it possible for the key to be inserted flush and still expose the thumbnail grip.
@jgreathouse41 3 жыл бұрын
Okay now I can finally build a French cleat wall
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Get it Jake!
@billtatro9857 Жыл бұрын
Really impressed with your video!! Start to finish was concise, detailed, well delivered and informative.
@peglor 3 жыл бұрын
I used a French cleat to mount a TV (To act as a bigger computer screen) in my home office last year. Since I wasn't planning to need to move it afterwards and definitely didn't want it to be bumped off the wall accidentally, I put a long screw vertically through both parts of the cleat to lock it in place (Since the TV was pretty big I needed an extension bar from my socket set to reach behind the TV to the cleat to drive the screw, but it was a very simple solution. Also anyone using a table saw should watch the table saw kickback videos on the Stumpy Nubs channel. They can be surprisingly dangerous when working on small pieces of wood.
@michaelkoss 3 жыл бұрын
This was the first time I've happened upon one of your videos. I love the content mixed with humor. You had me laughing a few times. Keep it up!
@jimb7922 2 жыл бұрын
I agree ! Lots of great info mixed with just enough humor fo keep it entertaining ! Well Done !
@boydmerriman 3 жыл бұрын
Another (and mathematically easier) way to cut wall and fixture cleat is to just off center your 45 degree cut on one piece making both wall cleat and fixture cleat at the same time. Then you only have to run one long piece through for each piece and they will all still match.
@mattwilliamson1714 3 жыл бұрын
That's how I do it... from sheets the length I want on the wall (1" x 4" work well)... was looking at the math, all the fence adjustments, and thinking it was too much work for me.
@Mika30041975 3 жыл бұрын
Love the key solution to the français cleats.
@nasiboo7748 2 жыл бұрын
It was the “Dramatic Reenactment” for me 🤣🤣🤣 Subscribed! Thanks for such a informative and easy to follow video. 👌🏾
@rvandersteen 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! I've been struggling to put off adding French cleats b/c I wasn't sure what sixmze to make everything. You made it so easy to understand. Two questions: 1. What type of 1/2 plywood would you recommend works best? 2. What do you think is the best thickness for French cleats? I was planning on 3/4, but after watching your video, maybe I should go with 1/2". Thoughts? Thanks!!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Rob, Get on it brother! 😁 So I used 1/2 in this video because at the same time I was working on a cabinet project that I was filling with cleats and I wanted to keep the weight down. If I were to build a French clear wall, fixed to the wall, I would probably go 3/4”. Nothing wrong with 1/2”, but if you can go up a little in size and strength why not ya know? Happy building Rob!
@karlfimm 3 жыл бұрын
An interesting option. Note - if you have Fusion 360 (free) then you rarely need to work out formulae. The sketch tool will solve even the most difficult layouts for you.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
I’m an avid Fusion user, but I wanted to include the math for those without 😊
@Esu-Vegano-Peranto 3 жыл бұрын
easy going brilliant idea, no visible holes or screws on the front. fast and easy made. Still possible changes if someone wants to. THANK YOU and stay healthy
@markm8188 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the dramatic reenactment.
@angelbear_og 3 жыл бұрын
Me: Never going to build french cleats (or probably anything else, for that matter) This channel: Watch this before building a french cleat wall! Me: Great idea!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Haha yes!
@annlorimer9264 3 жыл бұрын
🤗me too! It’s so fascinating to see what I COULD make if I bought $$$$$ of tools, property to put those tools and workspace and had another lifetime to learn the trade. Just in case... 😎. These videos suck me in for hours sometimes!
@brendanlovett4700 3 жыл бұрын
I’m an Aussie sitting here thinking “you’re saying way too many numbers”
@robert.androic 3 жыл бұрын
same here!! greetings from Europe
@jdau2b 2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you in SW Florida USA
@stephenmilden9754 2 жыл бұрын
Well done! I'm about to start construction of a new shop and French cleats are now part of the design.
@davidstrachan734 3 жыл бұрын
I like your fire extinguisher hanger! Great job!
@jamesambrose2834 3 жыл бұрын
I have never seen someone over-complicate such a simple thing before.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Do I get a prize for over-complication? I want a prize dammit! lol
@jaymag9350 3 жыл бұрын
Use a single screw.
@michaelinminn 3 жыл бұрын
Genius design if you need to occasionally adjust your shelves. Otherwise, like Jay Mag, a screw does it for me.
@Vid_Master 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaymag9350 No!
@jaymag9350 3 жыл бұрын
@@Vid_Master Yes?
@BillHartCooks. 3 жыл бұрын
I use a little screw through into the cleat. I also started doing mine at 30 degrees instead of 45. Holds as good and uses less wood for the angle. I do like your key idea though...
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Never thought to change the angle, that's interesting. Screws work great for sure, if you want to see the screws ;)
@BillHartCooks. 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright I changed the angle on a bunch of rails and cleats by accident one time. Cussed a little, then tried them anyway..... They worked. I have been using a 30 degree angle since. The screws well it only takes one and trim screws are not that noticeable. I only use screws on something that I might bump and make fall Most of them I do not lock in place.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Trim screws aren’t a bad option now that you mention it!
@bobbonham4823 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Adding keys to my french cleats from now on. Thanks!!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bob and you’re absolutely welcome!
@BamaDave71 2 жыл бұрын
"Are you subscribed?" on table saw... Clever!
@nicholasthon973 3 жыл бұрын
When your blade is at 45 the kerf is w*sin(45). W being blade width.
@benjiemarwickjohnstone3646 3 жыл бұрын
w/sin(45)
@rpavlik1 3 жыл бұрын
For viewers who thought there was not enough math in this video 😉
@Oldiesyoungies 3 жыл бұрын
the kerf of the blade grows when cutting on a 45
@mdsigners1901 3 жыл бұрын
How? The blade doesn't swell just because it is on an angle.
@Oldiesyoungies 3 жыл бұрын
@@mdsigners1901 if the blade tilted 89°, you still think I’d be 1/8”?
@timh.6872 3 жыл бұрын
@@mdsigners1901 Cosine/sine error. The horizontal width of a rotated rectangle is longer than its shorter edge.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Idk about you guys but when I cut at an angle on my table saw the kerf is still the same as at 90°. However, it can be hard to keep the stock running perfectly through the saw (feather boards help) which would result in “wider” kerfs because the stock moves, but that’s not the saw that’s user error.
@timh.6872 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright I think it might be a terminology confusion, quite possibly on my part. Is kerf measured perpendicular to the plane of the cut, or square with one of the faces of the piece? If it is the former, then no, it doesn't change unless the blade's width/tooth spread changes. In the latter case, the angle the blade makes with the reference face does affect the kerf width.
@briankorte-kortecaretaking8806 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea,thank you.building a french cleat wall this week..
@taylormcintyre5759 8 ай бұрын
I just wanted to let you know that I come back to this video, and it’s follow up with the dowels, every few months, almost like a favourite movie. I’m moving into a new space soon and am going to be using many of your tips when building it out
@griszaowniuk5775 3 жыл бұрын
Just a single screw through the material would do the job.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Touché
@RichardBronosky 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Drill and countersink a hole large enough for the threads to slip through. Use a flat/oval/countersink screw for the key. Use a magenta to grab it, or use a forstner but to make a recess so you can get your finger under the screw head.
@BWolf00 3 жыл бұрын
Got to admit this seemed overly involved/"engineered" and this is from someone that routinely likes to over do things. Bottom line, I really felt this was more of a video for the sake of video content rather than some fascinating solution.
@nicolasgoosen5142 3 жыл бұрын
Or any sort of shaft or rod to keep it from moving vertically. Can hook into a groove in the cleat board. Noice... Although, his version is not a whole lot more over-engineered than yours, it's just a stick FFS, ha ha! His is also very very neat on the eye. Hey, workshop-storage is a passion and craft in and of itself... of debatable utility, but there you go... so why not over-engineer it a little? ;)
@darrylb4048 3 жыл бұрын
That was what I was thinking also and do.
@MrRander7769 2 жыл бұрын
Do the Math, do some more Math, then just eyeball it and cut it in half. LOL
@mikegrier2829 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been considering a wall of French cleats, but I’m just now getting to the details, so to speak. I really had no idea how much thought needed to go into the design, cutting, etc. This was very helpful.
@KemDIY 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you so much. Especially a logical way to determine the spacing of a top and bottom cleat. And the KEY!!! Brilliant. And I’m now subscribed!!!!
@scotthale7614 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly how often do you knock your French cleates off of you wall?
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Fair. Counter point: how often does a fixture lift off with the item you grabbed from it only to fall? It probably isn’t a massive problem but I’m sure it’s a problem for some. Thank you for the alternative view point though!
@alexjames1146 3 жыл бұрын
Far too often. Once is more than enough.
@mgrey9066 3 жыл бұрын
My family are all klutzes. If it can come off a wall, it will.
@fourqs 3 жыл бұрын
"Enhance .... enhance ..." Anyone else think that Eric O. from SMA infiltrated this video?
@tonymartinez5798 3 жыл бұрын
Super troopers ?
@rpavlik1 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, that's pretty smart! Will probably do that when I eventually build something like this.
@margaritabob4700 2 жыл бұрын
So simple. So awesome. Best lock for a French cleat I've seen yet
@ffdtower1 3 жыл бұрын
Ignore these other knuckleheads. Good stuff.
@roryb1989 3 жыл бұрын
The irony of someone saying a steel rule is the key to accuracy while using imperial measurements.
@AsiAzzy 3 жыл бұрын
So? Imperial units are not inaccurate (today since their historic definition has changed). Imperial units are more prone to error when switching from fractional to decimal and adding feet and yards can mess things up. Other than that the inch is a very accurate unit since the very definition of the inch is 25.4mm.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Touché Rocketx, touché
@jackh.4016 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright Either way, it's just a line on a surface At my age, if you talk mm's, they're too little to see anyway.
@paulsylvester1394 3 жыл бұрын
Accuracy has nothing to do with the units you use! If your rule is good, you can measure using whatever units you like. If you never passed basic math with fractions and decimals, that is a totally different issue!
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Imperial isn’t that bad once you get used to it 😁
@oddjobbobb 3 жыл бұрын
Very clever idea. It’s a problem I have been trying to solve. Thank you for sharing your genius and your skills.
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help oddjobbobb! (Love the username btw)
@wayne6318 Жыл бұрын
What a fantastic idea, you don't know how many times that I've knocked something off the cleats. Using everything you've shown here, I'll be changing all of my cleats and making a lot of "keys". Thank you so much for time and inspiration, keep u the great work
@notconnor2512 3 жыл бұрын
when your cleats are locked and you smack your head on it but it doesn't move
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
'Murica! lol
@truthspace5525 3 жыл бұрын
You're making your cleats backwards. Cut your strips at 45°, and then half them at 90°. Way easier to get equal halves.
@steenteudt 3 жыл бұрын
or just make a single cut at 45 degrees on a lot of boards at the right width - no need to split them at all...
@bronsontaylor7333 3 жыл бұрын
@@steenteudt your method involves a lot more cutting.
@JimmyHandmix 3 жыл бұрын
@@bronsontaylor7333 no it’s the same. And it is easy
@bronsontaylor7333 3 жыл бұрын
@@JimmyHandmix the way in the video shares a cut in the middle. Meaning you get 2 pieces of cleat for 3 cuts. What you're suggesting is 4 cuts for two pieces of cleat.
@JimmyHandmix 3 жыл бұрын
@@bronsontaylor7333 4 cuts - 4 pieces. Or 2 cuts - 2 pieces depends on when you stop and how many you need. Of course you would need one more cut to get them to the desired length if the length you need is not the length of the board.
@skylerfinney2241 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I never though I would run across cody while looking up stuff about French cleats. Keep it up my dude. Nice quality videos!
@HBProductions. 2 жыл бұрын
As a newcomer into the shop. I've found this to be extremely useful as many projects I'm on right now involve French cleats. ie: floating dresser drawers mounted inside a "C" shaped space in a closet. I chose to mount the drawer onto the cleats and was concerned about it coming off the cleat. Until I saw your video; now I'll be able to lock it in place
@olfertpoelen 3 жыл бұрын
accurate measurements in imperial...try Metric! ;-)
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
Next time! :)
@peglor 3 жыл бұрын
Imperial measurements are by definition as accurate as metric because the metric system is used to define them. An inch is literally defined as 25.4 mm, while the metre has a physics definition based on the wavelength of a specific color of light. Incidentally, based on the channel being in Portland, the US customary system is being used here rather than the Imperial system. Imperial measurements are used in the UK. Imperial/US Customary inches are the same, but the volume measurements, such as the gallon, are dramatically different (This is why exactly the same car tested the same way will have a lower mpg figure in the US than in the UK). It's the confusion over which gallon people mean when they say gallon and complete dimensional consistency (Energy in Joules is force in Newtons times distance in metres - no correction factors needed) that make the metric system easier.
@olfertpoelen 3 жыл бұрын
@@peglor 8 know, that the joke about the imperial system, yet a scale or ruler can both show an inch and differ in cm/mm
@TALIAMO65 3 жыл бұрын
1 inch 15 /16...😂😂😂😂😂 GO on, refuse the metric system. Ridiculous. Good practical solution btw. No, NASA don't use inches and feets . 😏
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
I know, I know, maybe one day. It's one of the last industries that still use imperial but I can see the writing on the wall as the world gets more and more connected (we are the measurement minority after all). I've been thinking about including both but the tricky part is there's no clean conversion. One or the other will have a super wonky number lol
@MrAdsghf 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright the last inch that's commonly used is defined as 25.4mm which makes it a bit easier! There used to be many different inch-lengths, at least in Europe 😁
@Craftswright 3 жыл бұрын
I do love the simplicity of units in metric, i envy that for sure!
@TALIAMO65 3 жыл бұрын
@@Craftswright the factor 10... Magic, no big calculation, just move the comma. Btw, just to appreciate the metric system, 10x10x10 cm is a cube with a volume of 1 liter and a Kilogramm of water! 1x1x1 m cube is 1 ton of water. (average altitude, average temperature and air moisture) Average man is 1.8 m tall. Temperature in Celcius, O degree C is where water turn into ice, 100 degrees C is when water begin to boils. Body temperature before fever 36,5 degrees C. This all makes a lot more sense. ✌️
@leedobson9142 3 жыл бұрын
So simple but more importantly elegant - well done!
@cutt1293 3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and I am very glad I did. Love this video.
@Paulgibbs99 Жыл бұрын
Overly complicated, no need to make keys n slots n stull, no one got time for that, just drill a hole in your fixture In line with the top of your slot, and use a friction fit dowel, it will stop the fixture moving up and falling off, and to remove it just pull dowel out. MUCH MORE SIMPLE!!
@mrgallbladder Ай бұрын
Great suggestion. Keys sounded too cumbersome to me as well.
@JimmyHandmix 3 жыл бұрын
All this math: just use 4 inches and 3 inches and done. Don’t care about 1/8
@FeetSmellGreat Ай бұрын
Well played and great video. Thanks for your help!
@billyblackie9417 9 ай бұрын
Very good job I will watch this video a few times as at my age in my 60s I usually pick up what and how you have made it plus a better look at your guides and tips. Hreat job thanks
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