Watch this before buying a BMW K1600B!! Major Issue!

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Syber

Syber

2 ай бұрын

After 500miles with the 2023 BMW K1600B, What are my thoughts on it? - BMW has a major issue with this bike and I'm really upset the never contacted me back about it. They must know about it.
**Update** as of Today 4/1/2024 BMW North America is in contact with me and asked I drop if off at a service center for review. Even though the dealer has looked it over already a few weeks ago.
As of the day I posted this, I have filed an NHTSA Complaint on the bike. Several other complaints are on the website as well prompting the NHTSA to do an engineering analysis on the bike.
Here is what the issue looks like:
• Mr Wiggles
#bmw #bmwmotorrad #k1600b #eurocycle #motorcycle #bmwmotorradusa

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@studmuffin8859
@studmuffin8859 10 сағат бұрын
I have lusted for your bike for several years but for the exact reason you discuss at the end about oscillation I won't touch it. The speed is limited to something like 100 mph because BMW knows it is a problem, as reported by many other riders. I would love to dump my 15 year old Harley Ultra but I don't have any wobble or wandering at any speed, even over 100 mph. I am a big boy too at 280 lbs and 6'3" with feet at 14. That is my second problem with any BMW, no floorboards or pedals or pegs that I can manipulate with my feet. Why the tiny itsy bitsy foot controls? Excellent review of your bike, rare to find someone as well spoken and detailed as you have done, thanks.
@nickmisiriotis4372
@nickmisiriotis4372 2 ай бұрын
I owned the same 2018 and I change the tires to Michelin that help a lot I have the bike for over three years and test drive other bikes Harley’s Indians and still I like the bike it’s a keeper it make me smile every time I ride it
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
The tires did help, but didn't solve the issue.
@nickmisiriotis4372
@nickmisiriotis4372 25 күн бұрын
To certain extent yes
@kevincourtney2922
@kevincourtney2922 Ай бұрын
My 2023 is perfect and drives like a dream. You do have to take care of your tires and keep them properly inflated and not have flat spots.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
***Update*** as of Today 4/1/2024 BMW North America is in contact with me and asked I drop if off at a service center for review. Even though the dealer has looked it over already a few weeks ago.
@22Royston
@22Royston 2 ай бұрын
Nice balanced review on what is a cracking motor - I have K16GT btw and no wobble issues 👍🏻 Ride safe.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I've heard the GT doesn't have the issue. I may have to give one a go and possibly trade this one in on a GT if there is no wobble.
@reddog8145
@reddog8145 Ай бұрын
Great vid. I have the exact same bike as you. I love the side stand position, it’s just great for me. Bike also stable and no wobble or weave. Keep an eye on oil consumption it can be a bit erratic on times. Mine came from the factory full of oil, right up to the top of the oil filler. Thankfully I noticed it within the first 50 miles of break in and corrected it. Enjoy the ride. All the best.
@GARamblinMan
@GARamblinMan 2 ай бұрын
Great review. Very nice touring bike. Did you consider the R1250RT? I would be interested on how your bike compares to that model. Thanks again for a very thorough review. Ride safe.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I did. But after speaking to some local owners who also own a K1600 in addition to the R1250RT, I opted for the K16. Two very different machines.
@StephenDavies-mu2ce
@StephenDavies-mu2ce 2 ай бұрын
Hey Nick, you are right, the K1600B is “skittish” on the highway. I had a brand new one here in the UK, if I took my eyes off the road for a second it would wonder all over the place! Quite alarming! Felt very light at the front end and you certainly COULD NOT, take your hands off the bars! Constant small inputs required to keep the bike going straight. The engine failed after 230 miles (mine also suffered the rattling/ clanking engine noise between 2-3000rpm in all gears with light throttle!) When BMW said it would need a new engine I rejected the bike under UK Consumer law and managed to get all my money back. I was in a way relieved as the bikes handling (even in the turns) is questionable. I was given a GT (with no top box) for 3 weeks whilst it was being fixed, it does not have the same handling issues at all. Here in the UK, there are all sorts of theories - the tyres, design of the panniers, floorboards, windshield and suspension. I would describe it as VERY light at the front at high speed and affected by wind/ wind flow. There is a reason, after all, why BMW restrict the speed of this model to 100mph! The GT with the rear 49ltr top box attached DOES have the same/ similar problem as well!!! Anyone out there - I would wait for the redesigned 2025 bike as the engine is (when it works) fantastic! In the meantime I have converted to the 1250RT which is WAY more stable!
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
You sure did get lucky then! Very odd the engine failed at that low of mileage. I envy UK consumer laws.
@reddog8145
@reddog8145 Ай бұрын
I think you must have gotten a Friday afternoon bike. I bought mine new in 2022, or rather my wife bought it for me. I had a 2020 model previously which was a brilliant bike. The new one is just as good. I don’t get any weave or wander, you can take your paws off the bars and it runs straight. Loads of power. Sorry to here about your problem but if it’s any consolation I had the same issue with a new street glide and Harley at first replaced the bike like for like new but when that bike also had a problem I got my money back. By the way I’m in the UK so I know what a pain it can be. All the best.
@Tinfoilhat311
@Tinfoilhat311 22 күн бұрын
I have a 24 gt. Smooth as glass. Just love it. For super long trips I use my Goldwing.
@synonyx
@synonyx 22 күн бұрын
@@Tinfoilhat311 Can't wait to try a GT myself.... I keep hearing they are butter. I know someone that just rode his from NV to DC without an issue.
@Boxer1250RT
@Boxer1250RT 2 ай бұрын
I'd definitely get the Rear Protection bars for the bags for $400. If you're a handyman, you can install it yourself. I had a K1600B back in 2019 and really liked it. I did not experience any stability issues at highway speeds. Mine had the infamous Transmission recall during C-19, so the whole bike had to be disassembled (not kidding) and then put back together.
@alexklar8362
@alexklar8362 19 күн бұрын
You need the rite windshield and arrow wings,it solved my buffering on my 2018BGA,also I've heard the floor boards may be a issue. Get the Bren tune
@synonyx
@synonyx 18 күн бұрын
I got the upgraded windshield. What did you use for aero wings?
@TeslaDo
@TeslaDo 2 ай бұрын
I also already heard about the oscillating problem with another model which is Grand America, which it broke the deal So it now seems Bagger also has the same thing. It seems like it is a major design faulr Did they solve the issue ?
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
BMW has not. New tires, windscreen, playing with the suspension settings and tire PSI did nothing for me. From what others have researched, it's an aerodynamic flaw.
@thollingsworth4910
@thollingsworth4910 2 ай бұрын
I ride with the suspension set two up. Stiff as can be but handles like a dream in turns and it cuts out a ton of of any wobble in dirty wind.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
The 23' model is supposed to do it automatically for 2-up mode based upon a suspension sensor.
@louparedes9310
@louparedes9310 2 ай бұрын
One modification that I had to do on my 2023 K1600 GTL was to install a bracket that I made for my Garmin GPS, The onboard navigation system does not work well even after downloading the BMW app since it works of the WIfi. Had to take the Otter cover off my Galaxy 9 phone in order to fit on the cell phone storage and purchase a 90 degree USB C cable so I could connect the phone to the bike and charge the phone at the same time. Found out when I rode from Arlington Texas to Weatherford Texas once I got off I20 and lost cell phone connection with Tmobile. Not a fan of using my cell phone for navigation, besides my Garmin Zumo XT2 is water proof and does not lose connection. So far, I have not experience any drifting on a normal day unless I go through crosswinds greater than 15 mph. I will swap the stock Metzler tires for the Michelin Road 6, I like how Michelin tires ride.
@davidbates9280
@davidbates9280 Ай бұрын
what did you use as a power source for your Zumo? Dealer told me he would need to remove the tank to lay the power cable back to the battery. $550.00 labor. Thanks
@harley1035
@harley1035 Ай бұрын
Hello, what is the length of the windshield you put on the bike and what is your height. Great review 👍
@synonyx
@synonyx Ай бұрын
I'm 5'10" - I used the standard klock werks screen.
@skyking1964
@skyking1964 Ай бұрын
I have a 22 and an 18 prior..no wiggle for me..trucks on the interstate are troublesome..I learned to keep tire pressure up on the 18..I mistakenly ran them at 32 for too long..went to mich gt5..sweet difference…I also dislike the nav requiring my phone..
@huibertdegraaf9622
@huibertdegraaf9622 2 күн бұрын
They say the not tracking straight has to do with the floorboards. The model with out them is good. Also the one with the tourpack on it is limited to 100mph because of aerodynamics
@dalehawkes1698
@dalehawkes1698 2 ай бұрын
I went from a GSA to a RT last year it wobbled like your saying on the bigger 16 , I couldn’t get on with it so I swapped it in for a GSA . I’m a big lad 140kg’s maybe it’s a rider weight thing I don’t know it was very disconcerting though ,I enjoyed your review nice job ,I love that paint job 🎉🎉🏍️
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for dropping by! Yeah I love the paint too, it's very unique.
@dmitryverbitskiy4816
@dmitryverbitskiy4816 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, sir, for an honest and wholesome opinion! Finally I see a US person giving honest opinion regarding HD vs BMW. I remembered I exchanged my K1300R to brand new Breakout for a quick 150 miles run. I was devastated by almost everything regarding HD: - Horrible brakes - Horrible seating position (I am 6.13) - Non-informative display (in fact a stock display was like a Casio calculator from the 80-th) - Bike truly didn't like curves - 114 CI engine and it is slow as hell I know the bikes are quite different and probably I am comparing a Zeppelin with a racing boat, but the overall necessity of going aftermarket with HD is ridiculous. Many miles and joy to you, sir, enjoy this beautiful machine.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Well, the kicker about it all is, that now matter how good the BMW is in pretty much every area, the stability issue is a pretty big one. I bought the bike to tour with, but that stability issue makes it almost impossible to tour on. SO, more than likely I will go back to HD or get a K1600GT. Just deeply disappointed in BMW over this.
@dmitryverbitskiy4816
@dmitryverbitskiy4816 2 ай бұрын
Well, that is really strange. I have a GTL version, have not experienced anything like that, but I guess the rear luggage racks are to blame. Heard that Grand America version was given a speed limit of 105 Mph partially due to stability control issue. @@synonyx
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
@@dmitryverbitskiy4816 I've heard the bags are to blame since that is the only major difference between a B and GT model.
@4riversadv-ds169
@4riversadv-ds169 27 күн бұрын
GTL doesn’t have the problem. From all the analyses I’ve seen (which seems completely logical) the bag design of the B is creating lift (Bernoulli’s principle) and just looking at my bags, I can envision it occurring. I bought the bike for touring with my wife but am opting to trade for a GTL. I just don’t trust an otherwise awesome bike.
@synonyx
@synonyx 26 күн бұрын
@@4riversadv-ds169 I've spoken to a few GTL owners recently and all of them said bike is stable without any issues. One of them rode mine and said it is much lighter on the controls at higher speeds.
@scottkinkead8664
@scottkinkead8664 Ай бұрын
I just bought a ‘23 K1600 B, 2 months ago. I’ve read up a bunch on the road oscillation problem, and other folks take on them. Full disclosure: I had a ‘13 K1600GT for 10 years before trading for this one, and it never displayed the problem: rock stable on the highway, regardless of the air. One interesting comment I’ve heard is that the windscreen may be a contributor to the airflow problem; that changing to a taller/wider ‘screen may help quite a bit. For my own bike, I’ve never experienced this problem (yet!). I can basically ride hands off for quite a distance without wandering laterally. But, I’ve only got about 350 miles on my bike due to late winter/early spring snowfalls. I’ve also heard that the Grand America seems to be worse in this regard, suggesting that the top case is also a contributor to the airflow oscillation.
@synonyx
@synonyx Ай бұрын
So are you experiencing it on your B model? - I've been told by countless others the GT doesn't have it. I changed to a klock werks windscreen (they wind tunnel tested it) and it didn't help nor make the issue any worse. I've also read the GA model is worse too. I've got an update video coming, but basically BMW corporate keeps telling me "The bike is operating as designed, that's just how the bike is" Well since that wasn't disclosed to me, I want nothing to do with the bike. I hope others see this video and go do their own test ride to see if it's an issue for them before buying it.
@carlosdelossantos5131
@carlosdelossantos5131 2 ай бұрын
2018 here,coming from a Wing I feel it in the first ride and I hate it.!! previous owner already changed tires ,when to dealer and they confirmed that the K1600b ga do that and is nothing they can do to fix it..😢 I wish I knew that before. Now I'm stuck it with the bike. Trying to get used to.. But is like u said,on back rd and mountain areas bike feels like a sport bike (love it) but on hwy with wind or heavy traffic is like riding on ice...😢😢😢 GTL don't do this,so it must be some aerodynamic issue.. Good luck
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Exactly, I feel like after being a loyal BMW customer for the last 15years, they have taken my money and stuck me with a motorcycle that can't even handle a simple 75mph highway trip. Utter madness! I've ridden probably close to 50 different motorcycles over the last 10 years. None of them had an issue like this.
@brucemessick6862
@brucemessick6862 20 күн бұрын
CLASS ACTION-MANY OR HAVING THE ISSUE-
@synonyx
@synonyx 18 күн бұрын
@@brucemessick6862 I think BMW could easily fix the issue with an aero kit change or maybe even a taller rear shock. It would be difficult to get a class action going unless we spent time/money ourselves on an engineering analysis.
@briansullivan9825
@briansullivan9825 2 ай бұрын
I have the B version and have noticed the wind behind trucks etc on the highway. As far as I can tell it's the windshield. I had a 7 Jurock installed and depending on how much you put it up depends on how much you feel it. I tried a GT wind shield and it definetly changed. I just installed the Klock Werks like you have. That shield works much better when its down all the way in general so I will keep you posted. The BMW has a much higher center of gravity than the Harley, I also switched, so I think that's what we are feeling. The wind from truck impacts cars sometimes so to say some don't feel it is just not realistic, it's just so much different than Harleys.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I would describe it as less stable than an HD. I've done about 2000mi touring on a BMW s1000XR and it has a higher center of gravity than the HD/K1600 and never felt instability like this. From what I can see seat wise, it's in almost the same position height wise as the HD.
@briansullivan9825
@briansullivan9825 2 ай бұрын
Keeping the shield down riding in dynamic mode, I felt less movement than before. I have a Klock Werks 20 inch shield. I went out for a quick 20 mile ride today, mostly highway.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
@@briansullivan9825 Tried to do that myself but the buffeting was so crazy at 65mph with the shield down.
@briansullivan9825
@briansullivan9825 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx I am 6ft tall I had a half helmet on. There was wind but not terrible and not bouncing my glasses all over, I could still hear my cardo speakers ok. Sorry I couln't help.
@spkuse
@spkuse 2 ай бұрын
I traded my 2018 GW DCT for a K1600GT. Owned it for 8 months and traded it in on a GSA. Weight distribution on the K bike was top heavy. Wind would almost blow you over as well as being next to any tractot trailers on the highway. What i love about the GW and GSA is that their weight is much lower and more balanced. They are the 2 best bikes I've owned.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Trying to get my hands on a K1600GT to do a comparison with currently. The GSA is a cool bike and I probably should have given it more consideration when shopping due to it's amazing reputation as an ADV bike. I've known some guys that have done cross-country trips on them.
@m.f.m.67
@m.f.m.67 21 күн бұрын
So, have you traded it away yet?
@skyking1964
@skyking1964 Ай бұрын
This issue also reminds me of the s1000xr vibration issue..sometimes social media is great ! I was able to steal one because of it! All in-line 4s have vibration..even Honda..it was an easy resolve..
@synonyx
@synonyx Ай бұрын
5/15/24 Update - As of now, my bike still wobbles and it hasn't been fixed. The service center didn't find any issues with the bike and said "It rides like other K1600B's, its just the way the bike is for some people unfortunately". BMW stated to me "The bike is operating as designed" - Nice so, instability behind a truck or car is as designed? Harley doesn't have this issue, nor does Honda on their touring model bikes. I've ridden a ton of them over the years. I've got an update video in the works which will showcase the problem and comments from other owners. I've reached out to the heads of BMW with no resolve as of now, they told me 7 to 10 days they would have an answer for me on how they intend to help. We still have a few days left in that time period. I will keep everyone updated, but as I of now, I would HIGHLY recommend NOT purchasing one of these bikes without a very through test ride on a highway.
@McDaidVideo
@McDaidVideo 2 ай бұрын
For sure the first time it happens it kinda freaks you out, I thought it was a tire going down. I have been messing with some 3d printed winglets, that I made, really interesting results, but hard to keep them on much above 85... but will keep trying, downforce rules.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
The first time it happened I was in a 90-degree curve turn on the highway going 80 and it getting squirmy while in lean was some pucker factor for sure. Have you had good results? I heard the K1600GT doesn't have this issue, which I believe mostly only the bags are different, maybe the rear is slightly higher.
@McDaidVideo
@McDaidVideo 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, some are saying the movement is only an issue with the BGA, but its also an issue with the B. I borrowed a GT from my dealer, much better for sure! . With the winglets the results are mixed and without a means to control road and wind conditions, its hard to quantify, but its fun until the fly off. Ironically removing the floorboards/highway platforms yielded the best results so far, I have been bugging BMW to release the wind tunnel testing, but no go, I wonder why. Great bike for sure apart from this issue, confidence is low above 75mph.. @@synonyx
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
@@McDaidVideo hows the GT? Any issue at all like the B? Yeah the NHTSA did an engineering review on the bike but I can't find the results anywhere. I've emailed the DOT contact about getting them. BMW opened and escalated a case this morning on my behalf after I sent their customer service an email letting them know I made a NHTSA complaint.
@McDaidVideo
@McDaidVideo 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx GT was good, better for sure, some say the GTL has some of the same issue..
@jamesdefrange
@jamesdefrange 2 ай бұрын
I had a 2018 1600b. Sold it in 2021. I regret it… miss that bike so much. Quality bike. Yours is freaking beautiful!
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I agree, very beautiful bike! Just wish it had no stability issues.
@Kevimoto
@Kevimoto 2 ай бұрын
Did you take a hard look at a GoldWing? Electric smooth engine and legendary reliability and comfort. And btw, Honda GoldWings have had reverse gear since 1988. The Henderson Model K had reverse gear 104 years ago. 😉
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I did and it just wasn't for me. Wasn't sporty enough in the corners for my liking.
@UncleWally3
@UncleWally3 2 ай бұрын
Not sure if comparing the K1600B to a Harley is useful - different market, different purpose?
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I think both compete in the 'bagger' and 'touring' segments. Although very different machines.
@XX-td3lv
@XX-td3lv Ай бұрын
Regarding the oscillation issue,,,,,, I use to weigh in at 290-315 lbs.. Wether I was riding a bicycle or my motorcycle, all that extra up top weight definitely had a similar effect while riding . I’m now at 240-250 lbs. and no longer have this issue.
@brucemessick6862
@brucemessick6862 20 күн бұрын
iTS NOT YOUR WEIGHT, IM 200, FRIENDS ALL OVER THE FORUM LESS WEIGHT.
@ralpheglass
@ralpheglass 2 ай бұрын
I’ve got a 22GA. I could write a book on this.
@Fekimeki
@Fekimeki Күн бұрын
Why not Goldwing?
@troygalbraith625
@troygalbraith625 2 ай бұрын
Good tyres, Michelin or Pirelli, right pressures, and right suspension settings, owned mine for 6 years and never had a problem
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
What PSI are you running 42??
@troygalbraith625
@troygalbraith625 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx Yes 42, but buy and carry an accurate gauge, this bike is the most sensitive to tyre pressures I’ve ever had, the Road6GT’s are the best tyre I’ve ever used, especially in bad weather, but the prirellis felt more stable, but I could never get good life out of them
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
@@troygalbraith625 Thanks for the insight. I could not find any Pirelli's in stock as they would have been my first choice. I got the Road 6 GT's on there now.
@CYZA-lt6pc
@CYZA-lt6pc 2 ай бұрын
Minute 14:30 👈 - ;-) - play with the tyre pressures a little. it's not that bad and you can ride through it.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
It's very unsettling at 80mph. Hoping to play with the PSI on the tires more this weekend.
@CYZA-lt6pc
@CYZA-lt6pc 2 ай бұрын
Start at 3.2 rear and 2.9 front . I know that sounds high. But try passing trucks, get behind a van and see what it does. The wiggle is less unsettling if you have been on off road bikes on dirt tracks. But the tendency is to tap off. Rather accelerate. Not advocating speed, but this bike runs smooth at 180 to 220 KMh At 140 kmh it is solid and you can pass all day. Any bike will give you head shake when passing a semi at 140 to 160 🤷🏻‍♂️
@Hogdriver88
@Hogdriver88 2 ай бұрын
I thought this issue was specific to the Grand America, with floorboards combined with trunk = bad aerodynamics. A shame because I like the design of the GA over the GTL, but the instability issue plus that valve inspection… maybe the 1250 RT is the way to go, but it’s so much smaller. Meanwhile, I do not hate my Road Glide Limited even though it does not handle like a K16.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I thought about that 1250 but I didn't like the torque movement of the 1250. My last road glide had about 15k of upgrades including suspension. It rode like a dream just wasn't super sporty.
@Hogdriver88
@Hogdriver88 2 ай бұрын
​@@synonyx I also have a 1250 GSA - love it. The sideways torque of the boxer is interesting - noticeable only when goosing the throttle at a stand-still, but not at all once rolling.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
@@Hogdriver88 I noticed it while increasing throttle in a turn... kind of a weird feeling.
@garyogden5873
@garyogden5873 2 ай бұрын
Man your opening comments sounded just like me at my BMW dealership yesterday having my first (600 mile) run in service on my R1250 RT when I was explaining why after 40+ years of Harley ownership I moved to BMW. The Harlkey's arrive in the UK all chocked up to meet US emissions so they all have at least a stage 2. I changed my seats, suspension, bars and on and on. Don't get me wrong I loved that bike but when I decided to do more longer touring a Fat Boy made no sense. My dealer has a road glide CVO for over £40k what.......They lost me with these inflated costs.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
That was a HUGE factor in my decision. I thought I was getting a better bike for less. If this bike didn't have a wobble, I'd prolly never buy another HD ever again.
@garyogden5873
@garyogden5873 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx I thought about the K1600 just for the reverse gear but the R1250RT is amazing just heavy to move about - so reverse would have been a good option as an extra. Hey ho no such thing as a perfect bike a bit like human beings😁
@ki.7188
@ki.7188 2 ай бұрын
I have the Grand America and it does the same wiggling ..
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I've heard it's even worse on that model. Plus the speed restriction.
@m.f.m.67
@m.f.m.67 2 ай бұрын
BMW has been aware of the problem since the B models were introduced. That's why they put the 101mph speed limiter on it. I think those owners that say they "have no weave" are ether BMW Kool-Aid drinkers unwilling to admit the problem, or simply don't ride on the interstate in all the disturbed air that creates the aerodynamic instability the bike has. Personally, unless BMW has a change of heart and wants to spend the $$ to come up with a fix, I think all the B and GA models of the K1600 should be recalled and crushed.
@lawnranger3432
@lawnranger3432 2 ай бұрын
Crushed???,...If that were the case, Harley Davidson built bikes with rubber band frames in their FL's for neally 30 years and a huge number of people thought they were the greatest motorcycle on the planet.
@m.f.m.67
@m.f.m.67 2 ай бұрын
@@lawnranger3432 Harley fixes their bike problems. While they may take a few years, the frames and other issues get resolved with each model year. BMW never admits or fixes anything unless forced to by government or lawsuit.
@lawnranger3432
@lawnranger3432 2 ай бұрын
@@m.f.m.67 Harley used the same rubber band frame in their FL bikes for nearly 30 years. Every time they come up with a new engine, they come up with another problem. The words "death wobble" came from HD. The issue with the BMW GA/B seems to be an aerodynamic issue.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
@@m.f.m.67 I can confirm, I had a lemon HD (street 750) once, and so did a friend. Harley took BOTH bikes back after the multiple issues and gave us full credit towards a new one. My local HD Dealer has always done right by me.
@m.f.m.67
@m.f.m.67 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx No Harley rider would consider the Street 750 a real Harley (sorry) They were designed primarily so the Dealerships in the USA would have a training bike for their Riders Edge schools. Harsh, but true.
@brilwiljeff
@brilwiljeff 28 күн бұрын
How much does it cost to get a permit for the death valley drive?
@synonyx
@synonyx 26 күн бұрын
No park entry fees anywhere I went that day.
@brilwiljeff
@brilwiljeff 26 күн бұрын
@@synonyx thanks. Nice video.
@Pach696
@Pach696 Ай бұрын
B is a beautiful bike. I was looking to get one but I will avoid it until BMW takes ownership and rectifies. Hate that corp playing dumb sh**!
@synonyx
@synonyx Ай бұрын
What's crazy to me is a simple rear shock upgrade or aero kit could probably solve the problem. Super easy fix to keep customers happy.
@4riversadv-ds169
@4riversadv-ds169 27 күн бұрын
I have the 2019 Grand America and it drifts quite a bit. Scary as $h!+ when it mysteriously occurs. Michelins didn’t fix my problem.
@synonyx
@synonyx 26 күн бұрын
Welp, you understand EXACTLY what I mean then.
@larrysherman7082
@larrysherman7082 5 күн бұрын
All the k 1600 b’s and GT’s have that issue. No other bikes have that issues. Harley’s Indians other bmw models triumphs Hondas. Perfect. But all my 1600 K bikes are terrible on the highway.
@synonyx
@synonyx 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for your insight!
@joepasquarello1273
@joepasquarello1273 Ай бұрын
I can't believe I made it to the 6 minute mark.....
@AK-xu1fx
@AK-xu1fx 2 ай бұрын
As far as I know, only the K1600B/GrandAmerica has wobbling problems. The K1600GT/GTL are fine.
@lawnranger3432
@lawnranger3432 2 ай бұрын
I have owned both and that's me experience, but I would not call it a wobble, they just move around more than then should.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
That's what I am hearing too.
@redbull8661
@redbull8661 Ай бұрын
From what I understand it's just the models with the floorboards.
@synonyx
@synonyx Ай бұрын
@@redbull8661 People have taken the boards off and it still does it.
@user-go5vv7ij5r
@user-go5vv7ij5r 2 ай бұрын
Nice review nice bike
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for stopping by.
@HDlife518
@HDlife518 2 ай бұрын
No, it's not you. I owned a 22 K1600 grand America for 4 months, bought brand new. The connection to the infotainment sucked, I had to set the phone a certain way to stay connected, it was a pain. The feel of the bike on the highway feels like' being on a jetski' , it would glide all over the highway, especially behind trucks. I tried windshield and tires, they both didn't help. The 22" Klockworks made it worse, and the GT6 tires felt the same. So after it sat over the winter it developed an oil leak out of the reverse gear shaft. Spring came and I traded it back for a HD, this time an Ultra Limited 2023, I traded a 2016 Street Glide for the BMW. I have put 8000 miles on the Ultra so far and have been trouble free and rides perfectly! This has been a known issue for BMW since they introduced this model, and won't accept it. I hope you figure it out and can enjoy it.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Welp, it looks like I may have to go back to HD. I like to tour a bit, 300-500 miles a day sometimes. Stability is a must. I've owned 10 HD's and still own a softail. Never a stability issue, even in 20mph crosswinds. Stable as a train on rails.
@HDlife518
@HDlife518 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx I ride long distances as well, and mostly interstate. That’s why the ‘jet ski’ ultimately wouldn’t work for me.
@Kwhopperfan
@Kwhopperfan 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx The R18 TC is the stable choice from BMW and the 1250RT as well. Honestly, sporty, stable, reliable, touring capable, the Goldwing checks all those boxes.
@xCr0nus
@xCr0nus 2 күн бұрын
Video title starts at 13:00
@eddiebenzz
@eddiebenzz 2 ай бұрын
I bought a 2018 K 1600b Here is your fix. On the riding mode Get it OFF CRUISE .. Set to ROAD ( both settings should say ROAD ) SET MODE ALSO TO HELMET + Luggage. It worked for me. ( that it skiddles left , right a little sometimes doesn’t really bother me. Going on 66k miles very soon. Bike will not wiggle out of control or drop you. This is one fine machine 😎
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I'll try that... but I had already played with the modes and I don't recall seeing an option for +luggage.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Setting the dampening to road helps, but doesn't fully solve the issue.
@HDlife518
@HDlife518 2 ай бұрын
on the 2022 and newer you don't have the option of setting a mode with luggage.@@synonyx
@oonyack
@oonyack 2 ай бұрын
aerodynamic 🙂 It may have something to do with width, not talking bike
@JoseMendoza-ny2yb
@JoseMendoza-ny2yb Ай бұрын
You need to see this video BMW K1600 G A UNSTABLE NO MORE
@alp3781
@alp3781 2 ай бұрын
Had 2 K 1600. 16 GTLE and new, back in 18, Grand America. I was so hopeful to own the GA for many years to come and do many...many miles. But, NOPE! Once reached 15K on her, problems....problems here we come. Dealers in the USA, is a nightmare to find. Parts and labor is insane. Very complicated machine to work on. Too much can go wrong. Not comfortable for a long tides, if you are over 6' tall. HWY wobbles in "dirty air" was ugly. Handlebar tend to go to the left. Never shut the engine off while in reverse mode. It could be bad news. Yes, fun to ride. yes, powerful machine. Yes, sweet shift assist. NO for me!!! I am riding a new Goldwing now, DCT Tour and its magical.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Yeap the 'dirty air' issue is not one I've ever experienced on any motorcycle but this one before.
@alp3781
@alp3781 2 ай бұрын
@@synonyx I bet, BMW knew before it went out to the public. That is why its so speed limited.
@davechatfield2407
@davechatfield2407 2 ай бұрын
I own a 2022 GA. I have 10,000 miles. Very rare instances of a wobble. Love the bike. My research has found it is a light front end issue. Light weight riders (I am 160) have few wobble issues. There is a fix (shouldn’t be needed) by adding aero wings to the fairing to keep the front tire weighted down.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
I've heard those aero wings do work, but often fall off.
@andrejzupancic2286
@andrejzupancic2286 Ай бұрын
My 2017 GT has that very issue, but not all the time...
@FaithisKey792
@FaithisKey792 Ай бұрын
All saddle bags be off correct.
@synonyx
@synonyx Ай бұрын
I would take them off to try that theory, but they aren't that easy to remove like most bikes.
@jimslip4292
@jimslip4292 2 ай бұрын
Should have bought a Goldwing.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Test rode one, wasn't for me. Wanted something with sportier handling. The Wing didn't have a stability issue though!
@ginoasci2876
@ginoasci2876 24 күн бұрын
The title says major issues and early on you say there aren’t any issues. Clicking close on the video was the result of your contradiction.
@synonyx
@synonyx 24 күн бұрын
If you watch until the end I talk about it.... It IS a major issue. How are you supposed to tour on a bike with instability for thousands of miles? When I stopped at the peak, I was trying to enjoy the view rather than focus on the negative of the moment. Which is why I collected my thoughts and on the way home I stopped to talk about it. This bike could have hands down been the best touring machine I've ever ridden, which is why I spent most of the first part talking about all of the things I liked about it. It's got some amazing features, but all of the that is null if the bike has an issue on the highway.
@distancejunkiemonkey4491
@distancejunkiemonkey4491 21 күн бұрын
aerodynamics are bad, thats why it's speed limited. BMW isn't going to fix it because there isn't a fix. additionally, when it comes down to a safety item on any vehicle? The manufacturer will never own up to it because when they do, they will have to recall and fix every one of those motorcycles. It's just like Harley Davidson, owning up to the fact that they built a defective transmission and oil supply system for the engine when they first produced M8. they would have to recall every one of those first generation MA8 engine transmission combination and fix the problem. Therefore, they will never own up to it. They will never ever give you your money back they will never ever in any kind of formal communication Admit there's a problem. and I can promise you the GT does not have the problem. I test rode a GT at 125 miles an hour and it's rock solid even around the air from other cars on a motorway.
@synonyx
@synonyx 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Yeah my thoughts are that it's the bags and the rear suspension being slightly lower than the GT model. Otherwise seems the front end is mostly the same to me. I am tempted to remove the bags off of my K1600B and see what happens. The M8 oil sumping was something a lot of owners were never reimbursed for either. Yeap I've spoke to three GT owners near me and all of them looked at me like I was crazy when I asked them if they had the wobble or symptoms like it. They both said rock solid, stable and smooth up past triple digits.
@MrJusmobile
@MrJusmobile 2 ай бұрын
Goldwing!
@daveautrey5858
@daveautrey5858 Ай бұрын
Navigation from BMW is a joke
@synonyx
@synonyx Ай бұрын
It's really nice when it works. But even HD's navigation is better than this because it doesn't require a phone to be on in order to work. I might try and play with it some more today. Carplay would have been HUGE on this bike.
@daveautrey5858
@daveautrey5858 Ай бұрын
@@synonyx I have been mucking with it now for 5 months on my 23 RT. BMW really screwed up with this. I haven’t spoken with nor met a single user at our local club or dealer employee or forum that can use it or uses it. All have switched to something else. For single day rides with no stops it’s functional. Other than that it sucks.
@karson450
@karson450 23 күн бұрын
P r o m o S M
@darcher5888
@darcher5888 2 ай бұрын
I have had the same damn issue…. Awesome bike except she like to wobble! Mine is a 2022 and I’ve put 12k on it with my second set of tires. SOB wobbles and won’t track straight in the wind.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Obviously, a wide-spread problem BMW needs to address. I filed my NHTSA complaint yesterday, I would encourage others to do the same.
@HDlife518
@HDlife518 2 ай бұрын
Yes, I forgot about the wind on the Grand America. I was in 25 mph crosswind and felt like I was going to be blown off the road!
@Jungleland33
@Jungleland33 2 ай бұрын
I was out today looking at a GS 1250 Adv at a local dealer. An absolutely beautiful bike that would be a pleasure to tour on......until I see videos like this, and they shock me into the reality that the only way to go for value and reliability is Japanese. I'll be putting my money on a Suzuki 1050 DE instead I think. BMW just are NOT reliable enough.
@synonyx
@synonyx 2 ай бұрын
Actually, the GS1250 and other GS bikes are GOOD to go! I've rented one once and it was great! I liked it much more than HD's Pan America, the Suzuki, and the KTM. If you want an ADV bike, that's the one to get. The GS's have been torture tested.
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