Watch Wins and Fails of 2023

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John P Watches

John P Watches

6 ай бұрын

In this video, I share the biggest wins and flops in new watches released in 2023. Each watch has a unique reason for why it made this list of luxury watches. Included is Audemars Piguet, Rolex, Zenith, IWC, and more!
This is like the last video of the year on my channel. Thank you again for your continued support! It has been a blast talking watches with you all over the year. Also thank you for supporting us at Delray Watch. It could not be possible without you all!
Happy New Year!
- John P

Пікірлер: 68
@Valera_Scotland
@Valera_Scotland 6 ай бұрын
Agree about the Aqua Terra They should stick to the look and dimensions of the first generations. Those were fantastic watches
@WestCoastAce27
@WestCoastAce27 6 ай бұрын
Thanks… for finally inserting a pic of the watch on your wrist instead of just saying what it is. And happy holidays. See you in ‘24. Maybe a little rough on Zenith. Since we don’t know how many of that watch they’re making - probably not many so not an issue for those waiting for one of their standard offerings. And if you rip them then you’d have to rip every mfg who does a vanity watch - e.g. Christopher Ward for their moonphase.
@remus2001
@remus2001 6 ай бұрын
As misses I would add those Patek Aquanauts they released this year with only 30m water resistance. How can you have a line of nautically-named watches that doesn't have at least 50m WR?
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
I almost added them
@spittinvenom9843
@spittinvenom9843 6 ай бұрын
Ridiculous
@WestCoastAce27
@WestCoastAce27 6 ай бұрын
What about the new $39k Calatrava, the Rolex killer? 🤣
@vdbdg
@vdbdg 6 ай бұрын
Zenith is headed into a wall. Every AD has all the models on display, nothing moving. Their boutique is desperately empty all day. Now they release some atrocity that brings them so close to Hublot they might as well merge.
@leisurexs2844
@leisurexs2844 6 ай бұрын
I love AP and I have multiple but, this Travis Scott collab is whack and is actually making me rethink the brand.
@regsantotomas
@regsantotomas 6 ай бұрын
The new IWC Ingenieur was both a win and a loss. The design was certainly a win but the market position with regards to price is definitely a loss. As far as brans go, I say Christopher Ward had numerous standouts in the last year. With the exception of Vacheron, I would argue that the other two pillars of the holy trinity has sub-par years where they are losing their identity.
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
Agreed all around!
@gonerias9151
@gonerias9151 6 ай бұрын
Opinion on Breitling buying Universal Geneve? personally Im excited, hopefully theu bring back modern iterations of the polerouter, compax, shadows, etc.
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
Trying not to let my hopes get too high. Breitling current movements lineup would likely make the UG watches too thick compared to their vintage counterparts.
@alectang1614
@alectang1614 6 ай бұрын
​@@JohnPWatchesbut they will not be using Breitling movements. They have already made that clear. I think it's overall a positive move - they are going to position the brand higher than Breitling and chief designer of Breitling, Sylvain Berneron mentioned that Universal Geneve traditionally was between Jaeger and Vacheron. That will give you an idea of where the brand is heading.
@FilBack
@FilBack 6 ай бұрын
Opinions on Vacheron’s year?
@trtcommunity9248
@trtcommunity9248 6 ай бұрын
👉Just found you through Teddy's video. Subbed. Looking forward to your content. 👍
@kaypee1972
@kaypee1972 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting looking jacket!
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Jtjustintimberlake
@Jtjustintimberlake 6 ай бұрын
I would add the Carrera glass box to the win column
@balazskertesz5010
@balazskertesz5010 6 ай бұрын
The Aqua Terra with the horizontal teak deck dial is my favorite watch ever, but the new AT design does nothing for me. It's too shiny, too generic, too Rolex OP. Also, it's more expensive than the 41mm model with the 8900 movement, which is just WTF? Though I expect it sells well anyway...
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 6 ай бұрын
John, have a great holiday season! I was eagerly anticipating the Omega Aqua Terra until I saw them in person. The pastel colors were not appealing. I guess because the Rolex OP colors were much brighter.
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
Thank you. You too!
@drnick40
@drnick40 6 ай бұрын
Great watch John P! Chopard is underrated brand IMO. H Moser is possibly the best value high horology brand. The smaller size Pioneer is an excellent offering for people with smaller wrists. Zenith has every right to build the Chronomaster Sport. After all the Daytona won’t be around if it wasn’t for the El Primero movement. The hyper designs Zenith is pushing are influenced by the RM, AP and Hublot. This hype is dying out though. Spot on the Aqua Terra 38. Inferior watch with an inferior movement. They should’ve used the 8900 movement. Merry Christmas!
@SuperMAYUSAMA
@SuperMAYUSAMA 6 ай бұрын
nice jacket
@Ossory88
@Ossory88 5 ай бұрын
Thats a very nice sweater
@remus2001
@remus2001 6 ай бұрын
I like the Tambour. But even if you don't, I fail to see how the movement isn't considered "in-house." LV owns La Fabrique du Temps.
@defenestratedone
@defenestratedone 6 ай бұрын
I mean, I guess it’s how people don’t consider powermatic movements in swatch group brands in-house even though they’re all owned by the same parent company. Or the much maligned VC FiftySix with its ValFleurier movement.
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
I like it for $4500
@remus2001
@remus2001 6 ай бұрын
@@JohnPWatches The micro-rotor movement alone would justify a higher price. But I agree with you that the watch is overpriced.
@cybergunstore5905
@cybergunstore5905 6 ай бұрын
Zenith has also issued nice « vintage « watches these last years and these are successful items
@davidclive701
@davidclive701 6 ай бұрын
IWC Ingenieur is undoubtedly a success. The most slick and definitive version. Fantastic dial and wears wonderfully. This is a bargain Genta designed watch and it is no surprise it trades at a premium in the grey market……
@davidclive701
@davidclive701 6 ай бұрын
Love yours and Federico’s channels but you’re wrong about the new aquaterra. Terra cotta dial is stunning and rounded bracelet with some polish is an improvement. Luckily my wrists aren’t that hairy! Maybe you should have a Brazilian wax?😉
@WestCoastAce27
@WestCoastAce27 6 ай бұрын
Except for the wht date window - that’s jarring.
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
lol. Perhaps I'll give the new AT37 another try.
@christian9387
@christian9387 6 ай бұрын
AP black panther, then AP Travis Scott -- they're pandering, and that's just not for me.
@JizzyNinja
@JizzyNinja 6 ай бұрын
What about the amazing Spider-Man watch tho!?
@MAELOB
@MAELOB 6 ай бұрын
Travis Scott no1 master hype collab 😬sneaker collab one thing but an AP wow 😮
@WestCoastAce27
@WestCoastAce27 6 ай бұрын
Probably. But w/o knowing the numbers, it probably isn’t an issue - a silly vanity project; their customers who can get watches at MSRP out of a boutique aren’t suffering.
@bobsmith3106
@bobsmith3106 6 ай бұрын
Dont forgot the AP with absolutely no indices. LIke you cannot even tell the time or use the chronograph function.
@POSUEN
@POSUEN 6 ай бұрын
@@bobsmith3106😂Look exactly like MVMT homages!
@tomlucas4269
@tomlucas4269 6 ай бұрын
nice chopard
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@pierregagne1903
@pierregagne1903 6 ай бұрын
H Moser too big: right on!
@JohnPWatches
@JohnPWatches 6 ай бұрын
Yes!
@alectang1614
@alectang1614 6 ай бұрын
Love your vids John but i think you're wrong about the Tambour by LV. Yeah, it's overpriced for what it is (what isn't in this industry) but with the backing of Fabrique du temps headed by Barbasini and Navas, how can you say that that is a slap in the face to collectors? They are two of the most prolific complications designers in the industry and that shows you how commitwd LV are to watchmaking. Watch this space - LV are the dark horse in the coming decade.
@damienteo6118
@damienteo6118 6 ай бұрын
Agreed! Being that this is the first proprietary 3 hand movement by La Fabrique Du Temps Louis Vuitton it is the first step into a whole new world of LV watchmaking
@AdityaKhorana
@AdityaKhorana 6 ай бұрын
Wanted to say the same. I think the tambour is stunning (though, agree, overpriced), especially having tried it on in person. Excited to see what comes from LV in the future based on this new direction.
@SuperMAYUSAMA
@SuperMAYUSAMA 6 ай бұрын
I prefer older gen Aqua terras with the crown guards
@hongsitu3429
@hongsitu3429 6 ай бұрын
There are people with bigger wrists that would appreciate bigger watches. So Zenith having a bigger offering is not a bad thing. If they start offering ALL their watches in big and weird and gaudy designs then its a problem. Their new pilot rainbow chronograph at 43 is surprisingly wearable even for me with a smaller wrist.
@rk702
@rk702 6 ай бұрын
Hey John, I went to your web site and posted one of my watches for sale to you all through your system and haven't heard back from anyone at your offices. I would think you would say yes, no or make an offer. The lack of communication is disappointing. I've reached out to you all on different occasions and have never heard back. I not fast to jump to conclusions but enough is enough. A simple reply would be appreciated.
@roniandshay7066
@roniandshay7066 6 ай бұрын
That Omega looks like it tried to copy Grand Seiko and didnt do it very well
@rolexer
@rolexer 6 ай бұрын
John p is going on vacation
@one-shotwatchnut2338
@one-shotwatchnut2338 6 ай бұрын
Regarding colaborations: I think Rolex was/is still doing a good job by waterproofing it's first Oyster in the channel, also PanAm and Comex colaborations are just straight forward and common sense colabs. Also Longines, Omega and Fortis are to me in the same category. Although, diving records have become a bit silly recently between Omega and Rolex, but it still serves a purpose to improve the products. To me AP is going with their Royal Oaks a terrible way, look at this Marvel colaborations or even worse with this 1017 ALYX 9SM (what we're they thinking!). To me, most of the Richmont and LVMH brands have to mainly aim for profit, but lost a significant portion of their soul. Let's see what George Kern is doing with Universal Geneve, in my opinion he should still concentrate on Breitling since there is still plenty to do.
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 6 ай бұрын
Kerns is a good leader and should continue to make Breitling relevant. I am excited to see his first releases off my Universal Geneve watches. Several of UG’s designs I would love to buy with a modern movement. Looking forward to see what Kerns delivers in 2024.
@seaweed719
@seaweed719 6 ай бұрын
AP has done so many mishaps in the last year or two that people who are still defending them now are fanboys who have invested in hundreds of thousands of dollars or more in that brand.
@BoozewithNick
@BoozewithNick 6 ай бұрын
OMFG that Zenith “spaceship”. Awful. If anyone wanted that shit, they could save some money and buy an Invicta.
@drbobsnightmare2521
@drbobsnightmare2521 6 ай бұрын
I bet John P would mop the floor with Teddy Baalthasaur in a cage match.
@dannysimenauer5745
@dannysimenauer5745 6 ай бұрын
Huh? Both share their knowledge from their own unique perspective. I don’t see them as competitors.
@drbobsnightmare2521
@drbobsnightmare2521 6 ай бұрын
@@dannysimenauer5745 Teddy has no ground game, and he strikes like a girl.
@curtbrown7718
@curtbrown7718 6 ай бұрын
AP and LV; ugh.
@spittinvenom9843
@spittinvenom9843 6 ай бұрын
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should 🤦‍♀️
@neilmartin7776
@neilmartin7776 6 ай бұрын
The Thierry Natif years at Zenith were bonkers, but looking back on them he was clearly ahead of his time. The Defy Xtreme collection was ugly as hell, but they pioneered the use of exotic materials and design, and brought wider attention to a brand that was increasingly stale and behind the times. Natif brought in the oversized trend before it was trendy, and if the man himself hadn't been madder than a box of frogs, it could easily have been Zenith riding the hype train that Richard Mille hopped on a few short years later.
@Horizontalvertigo
@Horizontalvertigo 6 ай бұрын
Surprised you were so down on Parmigiani Fleuier, sure they may've been a bit low key, but if you know they exist you're likely to be a fan of what they're doing. They've gotten a bit of marketing pump in too on YT from what I've seen. The PF Minute Rattrapante was one of my favourite complications of the year personally. The Cartier Normale Skeleton was a knock out win as well. Chopard's LUC Chiming watch is gorgeous too. I think one of the biggest fails of the year was the new "sporty" Calatravas, I don't really know who Patek was aiming those at. At least the purple world time made up for it.
@johnpinner1
@johnpinner1 6 ай бұрын
Where can I find that wife
@gypsy1962
@gypsy1962 6 ай бұрын
Did you learn all this information while studying at 'TUGGER UNIVERSITY?'
@sevengone
@sevengone 6 ай бұрын
the tambour and the attitude of their nepobaby CEO are equally terrible
@KC-bv9kf
@KC-bv9kf 6 ай бұрын
AP is betting on antisocial behavior and concert shootings. That’s a disruptive business model, irony intended.
@kimcoulter806
@kimcoulter806 5 ай бұрын
You completely miss on your comments on Zenith. Way off
@andhenny
@andhenny 6 ай бұрын
If I was a steroided Miami BitCoin Bro, I’d be rockin that Zenith mirror so hard in the club! 🪩
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