I remember, yep. My biggest reason for exodus from WOT was bullshit premium shells. I had hoped that WoWs would not fall victim to that crap but guess they found a way to basterdize the game in other ways.

Most likely much of the staff that was around then is no longer around. Remember when they used to do the videos with us being walked around through their massive new building with all the codeheads working. Remember? They now have the game out on Epic... lets be honest here, wherever the game goes, it will likely go without the long-term fans.

It was fun while it lasted. Stopped playing a few years ago

They needed new blood to start wows and the enthusiasts of the game were useful, but not so much anymore.

@@andrewcharlton4053 Same CV rework started it and the PR disaster finished it. They've not had a penny from me since.

pretty much...

The fact that this is the reality we find ourselves in makes me rather sad to be honest.

Why are they celebrating though?

@@shinki5361 WG lost all filters they have over flamu. Now he's free man with a 100% open mouth WG have no control over

@@shinki5361 they are just idiots of the flamu cult

Everything is fine, this man is just delusional

It's not great, but not terrible.

3.2, not bad, i've seen worse

OUCH!! roflmmfao!!! No I am not meaning to be disrespectful of all the lives lost and negatively affected by that incident. I am simply noting that people were warned, people "knew" better than to do that, etc and still those in charge decided to be ostriches. Admitting a problem exists is the first step on the path to fixing the problem. Also I think it bears mentioning that so many of us have learned to play the Blame Game, where the fault or problem is dumped at someone's (s) feet. Blame does NO GOOD. Identify the problem, determine root causes and contributing factors, work TOGETHER to find alternative solutions that are better for everyone involved (may not be perfect, but at least better all the way around), and then implement those changes, and see how it actually works. It may work great, or not, and maybe its perfect, or maybe its just as bad or worse. Spreadsheets of data show trends, but you have to remember that in a competitive atmosphere of a game, if there is a winner, then there is a loser by definition. We all cannot get a first place trophy, that philosophy DOES NOT WORK. What I mean is that if the winners are probably happy, not all of them may be because they didn't survive, or they were sacrificed for the betterment of the team or the play, or maybe RNG just did not happen for them. Same for the losing side: maybe some felt it was a great battle that they lost, but others will only see a loss. So maybe there are happy and sad or frustrated players on both the winning and losing sides. Spreadsheets can't "see" that. And what to many of us is so very frustrating is that the game is viable, but WG seems to listen with only one ear and half of their concentration at best, to any server that is not the RU server, WoT or WoWS. Sure, they are a Russian or Belarusian based company basically (if I got it wrong, I apologize) so they make the game code able to work with their wide fan base and internet capabilities, which does cause issues with new and faster pcs and other technology advances. But they seem to have a decided blind spot where any sort of criticism is involved. It seems that they disregard the valuable constructive criticism from the better players world wide, and especially from the CC community. Maybe no one has a fix for something yet, but recognizing that there is a problem in the first place is worthy unto itself. Denying issues, and having zero foresight about changing basic gameplay mechanics that will now be partially incompatible with projects currently under development is just.... well, very poor management and/or inter-company communication. We all want to play a game that is challenging, and therefore should be rewarding too. And it seems that the developers ignore or are unaware of a lot of issues. Maybe they can survive without the international player bases and their revenue streams, but that would mean downsizing the company due to lost revenues. Myself, I rarely spend money anymore on WoT or WoWS because they keep making poor decisions that create even more play imbalances, and rewarding poor players and unicum players, and punishing those in the middle. And if they shrink and shut down the NA servers, I have other games to occupy my time, and I often do. Why play a game that is just a money pit that gives you more frustration instead of relaxation? Ok sorry for the soapbox.

Clayton Whitman i’m not reading that but I’m happy for you, or sorry that happened

That's a good one lmao

it seems it also failed miserably...

The spreadsheet says it's fine.

Well this aged like fine wine

Ohhh the irony. That line aged like a fine wine.

Amen

If wargaming was in charge of climate research they'd seriously claim that the decline of pirates lead to rising ocean temperatures because both curves are clearly looking alike. That's what you get when people read data from a chart but have zero understanding on how that data was actually produced.

Well put, altogether!

Well, i mean, as a War Thunder player, i can say that they are not the only ones to do so...

The spreadsheet says you're having fun

Because he makes money with ranting? He seems more like a drug addicted who wants to stop but can't. I don't have the impression that he has fun with the game. It seems more he does it for the money. His gives on Twitch and KZfaq are enough to make a living from it and he needs an income. Of course he can do something different but when you have the choice between real work and playing a game you don't like not so much anymore but you cvan at least rant about it, it is a real good option.

The problem is that WG is not interested in creating a better game but one where they can press a lot of money out of. And that’s why their game is really well-designed and successful... just not for us players :)

@@garrettgsf8849 This, as many have said.. WG is only inflating stats to keep certain goals in usage purposely into their "goals" and they dont give a shit in destroying the game.

Helloweener “a drug addicted”? What? Seems you are the “drug addicted.”

Spreadsheet says this was the right decision

in reality they should kicked him long ago ....

@@misiknuo for what? Being the only CC who actually tells the unvarnished truth and didn't kiss ass? I like iChase and all but he takes 3000 words to softly say what you can say in 3. "This is bullshit". He's not a total suck ass like some but he definitely is careful not to step on WeeGee toes. Flamu said exactly what everyone was thinking directly....and he was right.

@White Anjel or shitty reworks

Instead - new OP Russian CVs. Yay.

how about no?

@@JohnSmith-ux3tt Submersible Tier X Russian CV! :-)

Or secondary builds that aren't useless

The CV complainers are just a loud minority of mostly competitive players that never even played CVs and just dont want the game to develop into something else then the repetitive cap system. WG is trying to develop the game in a direction that mimics the actual large naval battles in the pacific a bit more with more variables like subs und carriers that change up the way a game plays out. Without Carriers every single game becomes the same where you can already predict where the radar ships will be camping and where the DDs will be going and there is almost nothing that can deal with long range gunboat dds spamming you with HE. And alot of Ships that made sacrifices in other areas to get powerful AA like Vermont, Friesland or Halland would never have a chance to benefit from it and would become total garbage. Also i dont get why people STILL have the wrong expectation that a CV is supposed to be on the same level as a surface ship in terms of performance instead being the powerful flagship of your fleet that its supposed to be. OF COURSE carriers are supposed to be more worth for your fleet then a small DD, thats why you have giant fleets escorting them.

@Sweet WildCat Obviously you work for Wargamming.

@@strawberry-parfait3922 Nah people just refuse to adapt their gameplay and complain when they make a mistake and are rightly punished for it. It's one thing for a purple player to give their opinion on why a class of ship is strong. It's another thing altogether when their hordes of tomatoes parrot what they say

@@strawberry-parfait3922 How much are they paying you to shill? Can you introduce me to the WG shilling department too?

@@strawberry-parfait3922 The biggest problem with CVs is the lack of counter play for other surface ships when attacked. When you are attacked by a DD, cruiser or BB you can fight back, you can anticipate them, you have actual actions you can take. When you are attacked by a CV it basically comes down to driving round in circles watching the pretty flashes of automatic AA guns. Realistic or not it's boring gameplay-wise.

u can go to wows stats page and find worst people in the game .... its kinda amusing . guys with 30k battles sinking one ship every 100 games or so

@@hardkur probably they are using mods to play battles non stop

@@faiqcreates bots play better ...

Which is humorous, Russians are most certainly the types to not give two shits about your feelings and they booted Flamu for calling out shitters.

@@nephalos666 yes. and stat shaming should not only not be illegal at all but should be appreciated! wg should encourage people to stat shame! either it makes those bad players quit the game or quit using our precious oxygen entirely. then the game would actually help making the world a better place.

To be fair, he has encourage stat shaming and just being toxic in game in general for years. Could the tweet have influenced his removal? Probably, but I think WG just had enough of his toxicity, and I agree, the guy needs to chill

@@cirnospaghet If you dont want to be shamed for your stats, just hide them. How hard is that? Using built-in tool to see what everyone else can see is toxic how? Since when is telling the truth being called "toxic" anyway?

@@Houmer Agree, everyone just shits "toxic" when they speak the truth nowadays. There is a gigantic difference in being actually unreasonable, dirty, rude for the sake of rudeness (toxic) and actually show criticism.

@@Houmer Flamu also mispresents his stats when he's trying to stat shame people, so it's not the truth. He pads his stats by divisioning with friends and uses that statistical advantage as a cudgel to beat down people with solo stats and uses the small differences to dismiss others and lord it over them.

were they ever filtered? xD

At least this time they actually take their time with it, Multiple test runs and they even implemented things the testers pointed out. If the class itself is good or bad for the game we shall see but for once their testing process and feed back implementation isn´t nearly as bad as the CV rework one was.

Unless they add Surcouf if not then no one ever but with Surcouf then one person will be happy

@@andreasmuller4666 Yes but it's still horrible, if they implement them in any way they are now it will make the game even worse.

@@taserrr That´s up to personal oppinion i guess. I didn´t find them horrible in the last test and since then some more counter options have been added.

@@andreasmuller4666 Not really an opinion, you should check out the flamu video on submarines (last test). They're too easy to play and land hits and there's no counterplay to it, if you're a BB you basically can't do anything against them, can't dodge the torps and can't kill the sub. It's going to make the game even more passive than it already is, imagine a CV and subs and deadeye and BBs won't come close to the cap all game. It's just very poor design just like CVs, there's no actual counterplay to them and that's horrible for a PvP game. It might be realistic but realism doesn't make good gameplay.

It seems to me that they are doing their utmost in order to kill the game itself.

@@kevinreed-jones3179 Whilst robbing and ass raping everyone blind till the inevitable death stroke.

Don't forget, that most of those 457 mm guns are on ships no casual player will ever own due to high coal costs and being removed from purchase completely before saving enough of said coal (me) Or those steel ships that only the no-life-24/7/wallet players who own Puerto Rico and every other premium ship ever to go on sale. Or the free xp ships that no casual player will ever own because they can use that xp to get 5 entire tech tree lines to tier X instead.

@@myopicautisticmetal9035 I play casually and was able to get Nelson, Alaska, Friesland, Jean Bart, Georgia and Thunderer for free. It's really not that difficult.

@@myopicautisticmetal9035 Uhh money, the whole point is that they broke the promise of not making T10 ships purchasable for money but they did it either way example Yamato or now Georgia is available for doubloons.

also, I'm pretty sure they were afraid of the backlash that would result if one of(if not) the biggest wows streamer lost his CC privileges

... Untill he hurt them hard with the whole christmass container shit show...

I've heard the rework actually drove away 10% of the player base and wg just wants to find a scapegoat that takes the spotlight

This is utter bs. I can't think of a single sane person that has never played WoWs who comes to Flamu's stream, watches him for half an hour and then goes like "Yeah, this guy is doing a really great job at advertising this game, think I'm gonna download it now!"

@@rokko1020 No, I'm too dumb. Please enlighten me how Flamu was driving revenue for WG "the flamu way". I'm super curious to hear your explanation.

Yeah I see comment sections on videos like this with filled with people saying "I stopped played when X happened" but I wonder how much of an actual difference this has made to WoWS's player base

@@bluemountain4181 Of 50 players in my clan 44 left and not returned or logged in, after the CV rework, I logged in last night for the first time in a year I played a single game,

Just a thought. They removed the player count in the port awhile ago. Trying to hide something, maybe?

Back in 2016/17 in wows where around 30k regular online. 40k at patchday. Nowdays its around 20k... I left the game because of the CV rework too... I came back now to play a few games but CVs keep ruining it so I have to stop after 5 matches..

@@mariofan1ish y;r tripping !

Yeah, I can definitely see that. Feels very much the same way right now with WoWS CC program

I would also add: Flamu, who, like him or not, I have found, like you, to be an excellent teacher, seems to be acting as if WG can't close his account(s) and stop him from playing if he gets too annoying (to them). It's their football. I hope they don't do it, but it is their legal right.

@@aerospacenews Closing his account would be a terrible mistake. The backlash would be severe(ie Disney vs Gina). Like him or not his influence is fairly large and many of his followers are whales that keep the servers going.

Or just go back to what we had before, which had less skills but more variety and catered to all those sub classes...

did you mean CA's, CAA's, CL's, CLA's, and BC's? which ships would you put under CC (I'm assuming that's Command Cruisers or Cruiser-Carrier?). Not sure CAV is... well the V part of it.

@@Seluecus1 USN hull classifications. BB Battleship, CC Battlecruiser (no ships where ever completed with this designation, all where converted to CVs) CAV Aircraft carrying heavy cruiser, DD Destroyer, CL light cruiser, CA heavy cruiser, ect.

ya but WG be like "muh matchmaking times"

@@ATAGOISMYWIFE ?

@ANUBHAV SHARMA ofc.

Same for my pommern :(

Rework made me stop playing Mass, Georgia, Flint, Siegfried and that's just off the top of my head. Not as disastrously harmful as the CV rework but still a kick in the balls.

@@Mostima115 Does Roon really fit in this category? I thought i was alone liking here, i've yet to meet someone that likes or does well in her.

@@Mostima115 Exclude cv, german tends to get punished each time new patch or rework come, german cruiser line is still solid but not for bbs, upper tier like fdg and gk become more and more struggle especially in brawling in current rework. And dds, o god ....

Same, I uninstalled just before the commander rework. Since then I’ve been playing Ultimate Admiral: Dreadnoughts and have been having a ton of fun.

Welcome to the land of the free! Walking away from WG was probably the best decision of my gaming history. Also, Valheim is a BLAST.

@@barrylinkiewich9688 Yeah. I went to War Thunder even though their shenanigans are on the rise. and If I dont play that, Its World of Warcraft or Division 2.

@@CCM1199 unfortunately WT has similar problems.

Yeah, like that will ever happen. But, it is good to dream.

I feel like the base ships without a captain just suck too much.. Without captain skills some ships suffer alot.. So the skills shouldnt be so mandatory indeed.. You Basicly need a few viable ones all the time..

Its certainly a trait of Slavic Developers for some odd reason. Rather it be Belarus or Russia proper, those developers have very similair problems, though they're successful enough to make decent money, so... I guess they have that.

@@Nurhaal EA makes money, doesn't mean they aren't shady and corrupt.

@@Lukos0036 EA is brazen about it however. WoWS makes a constructive effort to deceive or lie via omission even when blatantly caught. With EA, we caught them doing the same shit as the WoWS Puerto Rico debacle on SW:BF2 when it came to length of grind and the loot boxes. We warned them in the BETA, they tried to push it through be ended up refunding the game, pleading w/ us and completely reworking shit. Hell, SW:BF2 EA in it's current form is actually very good. Compare that to ... well... anything WeeGee has touched... or Gaijin.... or, any slavic mobile dev/publisher (War Robots was terrible for the same reasons we have to deal with in WoWS), it's a cultural thing likely because unlike EA, WG has no where near the stock value or media presence. EA does. So these smaller Euro/Slav publishers right that perfect middle where they're just successful enough to think they're good at their jobs when in reality, WoWS is 100% fed by gullible suckers. To each their own, capitalism is what it is - even I play by the rules. I simply won't spend money on the game. Period. Been like that for years. But I have gotten free premiums from WG with them trying to beg me to come back. Lol

@@Nurhaal I never give them money ether. It just seems like a bad idea to feed them. The only FTP game I have spent any money on ever was Star Trek Online years ago. And it was only one ship. Since then I have gotten ships through events and grinding dilithium.

@@Nurhaal Not really. They're just practicing capitalism, and doing it well. Sure they have the "free to play, but not really as you'll get nowhere with a bit of money helping the grind" genre nailed down. But the basic tenet of "minimal outlay in return for maximum profit" is straight from the western capitalist democracy playbook. I think some of us get pissed off because they do it so well, better than some US companies. (How dare those ex commie bastards out greed us in the west, we invented greed goddammit!) Bethesda, CD Projekt Red, EA, Microsoft, Apple, Alphabet (Googles parent company) Ford, Chrysler, GM, VW, Fiat, Ubisoft, they all do the same thing within their own field. That we readily accept it and pay them anyway is the real problem

@@djpupjakefarmboy3407 did you have a point or was that your failed attempt at a mic drop statement?

Sad to hear that WT is the same, really need a 3rd game company to make these kinds of games...ideally not Russia based would be nice

I Call War Thunder "Seal Clubber" it sucks to play any game where advantages are given to any 1 class and only that class like in wows carrier rework and now the addition of this commander skill rework, all of the benefits went to carriers and bb's. I haven't queued up for a random match since the commander skill rework and only twice for ranked.

@@ichasegaming tbh after seeing what activision, ea, rockstar or cd project red are doing/have done those games being Russia based is better...

@@antoniohagopian213 Why? Blizzard does their best, cd project just failed to implement stuff, but the ideas are there and it doesn't look that bad. They can fix the technical issues. EA - yeah, but this is old problem. But still, there are good examples out there. In case of WG we have greed per se. Just don't care about the game and not strategical view. Just grab the money here and now. EA style. But EA is really "unique"...

Yes please, time machine plz :D

@@ichasegaming we can use the Serb moonbase money to fund its construction! now how long you think we got till WG gets the "brilliant idea" to rework Battleships and/Destroyers that will end up totally neutering them

@@ichasegaming I'd like to go back to just after DEBB and right before RNCL launch and become a CC instead of part of ST... you can drop me off there when we get the time machine built! :)

*Insert Certain Megatron Meme Here*

Zoup lost me when he defended the Santa container fiasco.

@@ljessecusterl Yep. Plus, he just recently misinformed people of what Dead Eye is and what it does. Sometimes, I think he should just focus on his family and come back to the game when things are a little more settled. lol.

@@ljessecusterl Well Zoup comparing vaccines to the Holocaust was a bit much.

Although their monetization back in the day was equally awful

but at least their gameplay was solid

They understand their game perfectly well and how to extract the most money from it.

"Foresight"? - they have the foresight of Mr Magoo. From wikipedia "Mr. Magoo is an elderly, wealthy, short-statured retiree who gets into a series of comical situations as a result of his extreme near-sightedness, compounded by his stubborn refusal to admit the problem."

Can't someone extract the basic code from the game, rewind the last years of updates and start a server with it with let's say a 2017 version of the game?

I agree with most of what you are saying, but the stat-shaming claims are not false, I have been his target once. I understand he is frustrated at what I did, but seriously no need to explode, it is much better to co-exist through calm teaching.

@@NoFramesPerSecond3924 WG didn't care for years and ho has been doing that forever: why now if not as a pathetic excuse to have him punished?

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yeah, still CC. There's no rule that says I can't talk about it.

no chance they are greedy too ;)

Realistically speaking, that would do next to nothing to the metrics that they care about, which according to spreadsheet is just profit margin. No, the only way to change WG is if you got a significant chunk of their *playerbase* to leave. When it hurts the bank account, then, and only then, will they begin to listen

You have to remember that some of these CCs make a living off the program, so just leaving would hurt them more, quite a tricky position.

He probably thought he could try to fix it. In his own way. But unfortunately it's like a gal trying to clean up a abusive boyfriend.. I promise I can change him,, I swear. As he beats you and other things

Less money, more realization, hopefully...

Now we got to wait for them to piss off Dez, Circon, and Jingles.

@@elliottgbadehan4220 I dont know who Dez is, I assume another CC, from another server? CIrcon I have heard of, but mostly from Jingles videos about WoT.

No one want's carriers in general?

I'm heading in the same direction. Although I don't mind paper ships. It's nice to be able to play ships like Montana or Amagi for instance. War on the Sea seems decent, but not perfect.

I promise you war thunder is not worth the install. Created my account in 2013. Absolutely not worth anymore. Its got many of the same problems and even more ridiculous monetization.

Sure, data is important, not saying it isn't. But actively ignoring feedback is something you do at your own peril

Like I pointed out before, spreadsheet is IQ and community is EQ. You need to have both to do well. Sadly nowadays most gaming companies only left with IQ without EQ

I should just start shilling for RAID Shadow Legends, at least they would pay me hahahaha

Pay2Rico + Tokens & lootboxes.

He's certain free to, that's the perk of not being in the CC program

The only balance they care about is their checkbooks.