Savage

Nice

The difference is some people actually respect the dark side

Roman Torteli, OHHHHHHHH!!!!!

MarctheLightSpark Elliott r/im14andthisisdeep

Unless he starts shooting people, Mr Goldfinger better lower his expectations.

All bond villains are stupid

I know right,

It is an awesome quote!

@@alejandrocarvajal6952 excuse me? What about drax from moonraker? He litteraly built a City in the space😅 or Blofeld he was an evil genius ^^

I was going to say the same thing! Prof. M deserves to be in the top 5. He orchestrates the "Game of Shadows" for Christ sake!!

He is THE smart villain.

Totally agree

Yes

It‘s movie villains, though...

He is scary but very smart.

Just like Odin ;)

Must not have been that smart. He got caught lol.

Dan Carlo true, but look how long it took him to get caught and all that he got away with during his whole life. Also he ended up escaping

@@danc5644 Hang on, all the villains in this list got caught.

Omg 😂😂😂😂☠

Wow so smart

He's smarter than me!

Canned Bread 🍞 that is sad

Lol

MrKlausbaudelaire I love the series. So amped for season 3. Mads Mikkelson is the actor but Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs takes the cake in my view

MrKlausbaudelaire Hannibal in the series is more true to the books than Anthony Hopkins (admittedly spectacular performance in the SIlence of the Lambs. Hannibal Lector actually being Lithuanian in the series really hit the mark for me.

D. Grizzly well, both actors are awesome, thats unarguable, but we all pick a favorite between the two ^^

D. Grizzly Lithuanian with a heavily Danish accent rofl

Freja Rößle I don't have much of an ear for Euro accents haha

Jigsaw is a victim of favoritism

If this list was for the most iconic villains, Jigsaw would probably be top 3.

Why is he eight? Because it's watchmojo xD

WatchMojo probably didn't watch anything after saw 3

Idk poor judge of character, trusted the wrong people

But then we couldn't have this conversation :(

He seduced Anakin Skywalker to the Dark Side of the Force, creating Darth Vader, the most famous villain figure in History.

He seduces him in more ways than 1

@@obi-wankenobi7041 Yes, High Ground

And what makes it all the more impressive is he didn't even have any powers!

Interestingenough4 you are right, he wasn't a super-villain or anyone with special abilities he was just a normal man who cared about his family and wanted revenge on the avengers for the death of the ones he loved He deserved at least fifth place on this list. He decided to destroy the avengers by tearing them apart from the inside.

It also takes massive balls to take them on, especially with no powers.

Maybe the reason he wasn't included in the list was because civil war is just full of plot holes and makes little sense.

@@kailashsingha4073 Nah, it's because this list came out 2 years before Civil War.

He not smarter than hannible

I love the Joker, but Bane should have taken his place on this list.

Ox Bellows whys that?

EMPtaticz bane found out batman's true identity, the batcave's location, made gotham his own city while he sent batman to a prison in the middle of nowhere with broken back and i think that's enough.

yo noir if we talking about batman villains ra's al ghul would be mine

agreed

Kylo Ren what's so smart about darth vader?

Ye Darth Vader is cool and all but he sure isn't one of THE smartest villains considering the fact that he got his ass manipulated to chunks by none other than hoodie wrinkles A.K.A Emperor Palpatine

Kylo Ren James Moriarty?

Kylo Ren You mean Darth Sidious, not emperor Palpatine. Palpatine was his old name

I was confused by this too. It was clear from the beginning that the "culprit" took a "front row seat" as it was revealed, hence Jigsaw was who/what/where/why he precisely intended to be at that moment.

+Machetes AreFun they were not talking about the bathroom that he tried commuting suicide it was when he was trying to kill himself by driving the car

+James hadderson yeah you get it!

he tried to kill himself by driving off a cliff

Yeah, it was misleading for them to talk about his suicide attempt (which was by car) while showing his ruse in the first movie where he simply posed as a corpse that blew his brains out.

But Batman himself is not the smartest guy around.

@@lars9925 name someone who could outsmart batman

​@@beefyking2117​ Some people on this list, Lex Luthor, Sherlock Homes, Data, Gandalf...

@@lars9925 gandalf😂

@lars batman’s iq is higher than sherlocks

He was more like a movie hero not villain

Little late to the show, but I missed these exact same 2 characters in this list.

smartest DUMB-ASS of any exploitation movie !

well, his character was based on verbal from usual suspects. almost the same ending.

OMG XD

Truth!

John Doe tops even Verbal Kint.

jostie SE7EN was amazing

Seems like Watch Mojo based their list on a one-villain per actor rather than who's the most brilliant villains.

But how does that mean he's the smartest? You can know something another guy doesn't; you can plan something another guy is unaware of. But either of those guys might be smarter than the other. Also why Jigsaw never really strikes me as smart. Sadistic, yes. Motivated, definitely. Smart? I'm not so sure. His traps are simple mechanical devises (compare to the lasers used by Goldfinger). His victims tend to be half-wits. Let's not conflate wanting to teach people to appreciate the things we may hold dear (like the bible's 7 no-nos) and being really sick in the head as intelligent.

Not yet.

10. TheGreenGoblin. 9. Poison Ivy 8. The Riddler 7. Voldemort 6. Mr Freeze 5. Catwoman 4. Penguin 3. Joker from Dark Knight Returns 2. Sauron 1. Emporer Palpatine / Darth Sidious

Through Emperor Palpatine, The Star Wars prequel trilogy basically prophesized the Obama Administration, with the clone army representing the mainstream media.

One of the fews that actually belongs on this list.

NO its hannibal lecter

+Nathaniel Cromer Jigsaw has every right to be on this list

Wow... you have provided zero contribution to the discussion. This isn't about right, this is logical argument. I never said Jigsaw wasn't smart, but he really isn't the definition of genius either, as a genius is exceptional capacity of intellect or creativity especially shown in original work. There are much more deserving and fulfilling people that take on the role of genius. As I said before, Moriarty, a text book definition alongside Holmes. Cobra Commander, a man who nearly singlehandedly designed the world's most advanced weaponry with the capacity to take on national armies with just a few people? People like jigsaw and goldfinger pale in comparison. There is a difference between being genius and being smart.

Nathaniel Cromer Jigsaw was able to create his traps, get his victims, and place them in the trap and pretty much end the in walk away. He would put just about everyone else to shame

Thats minimal compared to others on this list. He is comparable to many real life murderers. Kidnapping, some traps and getting away is nothing incredible. Most of this scenarious take place in just hours, not even days. Thats a short time for a real investigation to find results for kidnappings and murders for a completely unknown assailant. There are plenty of real word scenarios that are torturous, kidnapping, and unsolved. His grand scheme is absolutely minimal and much more easily feasible by many more people as opposed to others on this list. There are some in here that intend to create complete chaos across cities, nations, and more. Many can, and have (essentially) done what jigsaw has done, and were not even considered very smart. Dr. Harold Shipman 250 murders over 2 decades? Jeffrey Dalhmer 17 murders over about 15 years? Dennis Nilsen 15 murders over 5 years. They all used a distinct style and took years to discover. Arguable, the same could be said for Hannibal Lecter, except he clearly defines a much stronger degree intellect. His genius is be able to do all of his evil misdeed even WHILE in lockup. He manipulates, pulls strings, and is much more feared over a larger area, and regardless of where he is. It is the environment of a movie that changes all this to create a harsh plot or not... but arguably, even another genius would struggle vs Hannibal Lecter. If you put all of these characters in a room, 1 vs 1 to talk. I see jigsaw and goldfinger dropping out MUCH faster than the others. Genius is about taking it to the next step, and jigsaw isn't really beyond that. If you seriously think Jigsaw would put all these guys to shame, then you need to sit down and watch these movies (again). Im not arguing that Jigsaw is stupid, he isn't. He is just logically doesn't display a level of genius some others. I myself could provide the same type of situation on others, though I never would.

Yes Jigsaw would end up bowing out. However, Dr. Lecter would still be there with barley no emotion of any kind. This is what makes Hannibal so dangerous. It's not the killings that he does. It is the fact that he can stand in a room show no emotion and yet control everyone around him. He did this even in prison. That is what makes him so scary. It is also the same reason why FBI was still going to him to capture other murderers. Dr. Lecter would give anyone pretty much a run for their money.

Didn't stop 2 from being caught.

Ozymandias is snubbed

Yeah Kevin Spacey.... highly intelligent for sure hahahaha

Kevin Spacey the pedophille isnt too smart for getting caught.

@@walteraprichard6456 worst thing is that he didn't get caught - he admitted it on Twitter as if the world was going to forgive him pmsl

This is a movie list

@@monkeyman2242 And also that show sucks

美的 タランチュラTARANTULA_7U ok

@@monkeyman2242 yeah

nah jared harris moriarty is smarter

I was also wondering why he wasn't on there. C'mon WatchMojo!!

Dang nabbit Dale!

Because these are movie villains.

Braydon Crawford Dora has had movies.

***** hes not smart he is most likely the cheesiest villain ever a little girl and a monkey can outwit him

That's exactly what I was thinking

Yeah, I was thinking Jigsaw would be number 2 only behind Hannibal..I would love to see them against each other in a movie, like Freddy vs Jason.

Saw is good cause he makes BAD people choose life or death for their actions.

I think he's alright at 8. Of all the villains on this list, his planning is by far the most unbelievable to the point where it's ridiculous. My suspension of disbelief can only go so far.

DerMoerpler Perhaps

Thanks for spoiling it for me. 😂

Same

Justin Bel i agree, but john krammer should have been either second or taken first.

Also the villain in red 2

he won? he got a reactor core rammed up his ass.

@@godemperorofmankind3.091,not to mention he got busted(as in killed) by the guy he manipulated into turning to the Dark Side(Darth Vador),and plus how dare he try to hurt a baby with electricity?By this,I'm obviously making fun of how weak Luke is compared to Darth Vador and Emperor Palpatine because of how powerful and even experienced they are(not to mention,it's a reference to the fact that Luke and Leia were born around the time that Anakin became Darth Vador)!

Stephanie Zambrano Luke is way more powerful than both Vader and Palpatine in terms of potential...

@@nirjhar4803,but with all that lightning,and him crying out to Vador,Luke actually feels like a defenseless baby,especially remembering that he is Vador's son to begin with!

@@godemperorofmankind3.091 yes, his plot to take over the galaxy was a success

jackie boy Kappa

jackie boy was it the one who own the ship was he evil?

jackie boy He wasen't a villain. He was just hungry. Really hungry. For people.

jackie boy What about suppose the Indominus Rex also? Or JPI's THE BIG ONE RAPTOR?!

jackie boy no im a little diapointed about that but she was not clever

VisualGourmet Cause the prequels were shit that's why

XXI_UNIVERSE _ I was already referring to the plot hole, Einstein. Next time I'll add an sarcastic smiley...

Episode 3 was awesome

VisualGourmet Have you heard natalie portman talk? xD hehe

The Yorkshire Person You mean "The Revenge of the Special Effects"? Or was it "The Revenge of the Screen Transitions"? Except for moderately captivating action that film had nothing. How old are you? 7?

Yes.Professor Moriarty from the movie is beyond genius

Why?

Professor James Moriarty.

Hes better in the show and the books

YASSSSS

There hasnt been a Sherlock Holmes movie with Moriarty? Theres been 2 in the last 10 years.

Busy fucking Mr. Holmes over, apparently.

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Because the cinematic Moriarty doesn't even come close to the literary.

He still attempted suicide, I guess that image was just the best to express that.

Nicholas Cannaday I was under the impression he never did. I might have missed/forgotten it.

Lttlemoi He got despondent and flipped his car on purpose in a flashback.

Yeah, that threw me at first two. but he attempt suicide. His surviving the crash is what lead him to realize how precious life was. And then a series of events lead him to despise people that took life for granted.

You're wrong. He did attempt suicide, we were told this in the films. However, the scene was never shown in the movies so apparently WatchMojo used the scene when he played dead instead, probably because they think it fits.

HAL has been the source of many nightmares for me.. 2001 isnt really a horror film.. but with the exponential growth of technology in the last 3 decades, it makes sense to me that a computer may try its hand at trying to be the top of the food chain. I read a story called I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream, when i was 11 or 12.. and it has haunted me ever since

Hannibal Lecter was canonically a skilled forensic psychiatrist and surgeon, a polymath with extensive experience in Renaissance art and classical literature who spoke and read at least six languages, and a pianist who sat on the board of the Baltimore Philharmonic Orchestra. Not to mention that he was an unsurpassed manipulator of people who murdered and ate at least nine victims before his capture - feeding parts of several of them to unwitting others - all while hiding in plain sight by *actively and officially participating in the police and FBI efforts to solve the murders he committed*. Quite happy for him to be number one on the list

@@rhonafenwick5643 Palpatine fooled an entire galaxy, drove them into war and then became a dictator without firing a single shot. You can't get smarter than that

@@FernandoRamirez-xd3wz You're arguing in favor of a science fiction villain over one that is actually realistic. The only way to consider Palpatine smart is to suspend your disbelief on a galactic scale.

They mention John Doe in the video as an honorable mention.

IceHedge They only mentioned the role as one in which Kevin Spacey "stole the show" but the character was not actually given an honorable mention.

I never hear any one mention Roy from Primal Fear! Great film!

One of my favorite Edward Norton films!

Lisa Edwards by far his best movie imo

Hannibal wearing a Joker suit and Ozymandias wearing latex and a gasmask and the Joker wearing Moriarty walk into a bar.. Have a drink with Captain Marvel.. The end.

@@gumunduringigumundsson9344 Beautiful. 😭😁😁

@@milanivosevic4771 Thanks. Means not insignificantly to me to read there is ATLeast! One goddam mofo that fkn gets!it!! LOL just kidding.. The fervor is real.. My maturity however... I'm stull on on hold until I let the trap get me to apeace the gods... Not.. lol! You are cool I am not atm except I am.. Logic is out Art is in!

@@gumunduringigumundsson9344 logic was never in. 😂

@@milanivosevic4771 was just a song i hit after listening the song GIG in sky .. cuz im like weee

You and me both! The whole time I was watching the video I knew Hannibal Lector just had to be # 1 or at least on the list.

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I love Hannibal, but didn't expect to see him on this list. I guess I didn't think him as a villain :)

Well if you agree to his view of the world, wolfs and sheep, survival of the fittest... I think Hannibal wouldn't consider himself a villain :) Maybe that's why you also don't.

completely right.

Noe Black Moon Yes really

Noe Black Moon he should have been 5 or 3

The Joker was "the most philosophical baddie on the list". That's what I took issue with.

I know right.

'cause thats unbelieveable what he done.

I thought it was an older Rutger Hauer who played Roy Batty in Blade Runner.

I thought it was jigsaw from saw

Lol I thought it was palpatine

+Joaco K she just use him

i totally agree with you ahah how evil is this girl ?!

She wasn't a smart villain. Sorry but using and abusing a retarded guy doesn't mean you're a genius, just an evil scumbag that's all.

Jenny? Were you not aware that her alcoholic father raped her repeatedly before she was 7 years old? She loved Forrest, she was taught to hate herself. She thought she was protecting him by staying away from him. That is a victim, not a villian.

***** jigsaw makes the traps,Hannibal makes I dunno dinner for the survivors maybe,joker not so much he will just make the traps funnier but still deadly

+OfficialJaffaBair I had put a poll up to see who would win between Hannibal and Jigsaw

+OfficialJaffaBair If they were all personally intent on killing the other two, using smarts alone from scratch with no resources. Joker would probably murder them both pretty fast. If he sole goal was to kill, he is much more aggressive in planning and doesn't bide his time and try to stay hidden. Despite the other two being very intelligent, Hannibal would be able to garner the resources he needed for money, hired help, weapons, etc... but he would do it slowly without drawing attention. As for Jigsaw, he probably falls short of the other two, as he is a "DIY guy" and never appears to as high a level of manipulation or access to resources. He likes to plan, but in the end... Joker I think would be too fast for the others, though Hannibal probably retains being the smartest but smarts wont always win against slightly less smarts with much more brawn.

Nathaniel Cromer interesting

Nathaniel Cromer That might be true but don't underestimate the Devil

Me too :)

He looks like a melted candle.

True. Then again, most directors have villains fail and have the good guys win because people apparently always want happy endings. I want the villains to win in the end, I want some verity in my movie victories.

They also usually have the best back stories and the best motives.

joker number 3 jigsaw number 2 and hannibal lecter at number 1 he deserves it by farrrrrr lol

@@jessicabuckley6536 agreed, would be my top 3 aswell, maybe even jigsaw on 1 and lecter on 2

lmaoooooooo

Jar jar is so evil he convinced even George Lucas to change the plot in episode 2...... If you were a true believer in this conspiracy then you will understand :)

I know right

Darth Binks

+Janusz Jan That would be on the Top 10 Most Annoying Movie Villains list.

We're talking live action. Scar just had to pull off one heist.

Kyle Stubbs I see.

+spongebobfan190 True he his one of the only villains who has a plan the works

Agreed

evan stevenson And one who wasn't stupid enough to tell anybody his plan.

I agree

He is top 3 on my list. Jamie Foxx had to break the law to beat him

Brian DuBois lol that fact makes Law Abiding Citizen one of the most underated movies ever. The fact that he became a murderer that stop a murderer. Really good ending. He didn't have to do what he did but in the end he was no better.

Fabricio Osuna he didnt kill him, he tried to talk him out of killing himself

Kenny Spillman That's without a doubt still killing. If I place a bomb in a room where I know someone is going to, then lock that room, that's killing someone. Doesn't really matter if you tried to talk him of her out of it. The cop thing to do was not placing any bomb and just having 20 cops ready to arrest him when he returned.

Cybernetic Genetics oof, fuckin rough

Get your own place and move out. QUICK.

Cant trust step parents

***** He was a master of psychology. Making incredible guesses as to which path a person would take when put into a situation. He does manipulation of people is such a way that you often don't know what he's doing until it's over.

***** If you thought Jigsaw is someone who's only building traps then you don't even know what the fuck is Saw.

Man thats one very underrated movie

The Cocomastiux exactly.

He's surprisingly smart for someone who doesn't like making plans. Then again, he has questionable sanity.

Kyle Stubbs​ the fact that the Joker in the Dark Knight said he doesn't like making plans was supposed to be considered b******* notice he kept changing the story about how he got his facial scars he lies constantly if you notice in the movie he has very intricate plans so the whole thing about him not making plans is a lie

Phil V Joker is actually one of the smartest villains ever.

PhilipTrouble I wasn't really saying that the Joker isn't smart. I was predicting that something Batman related would be in the video since watchmojo has such a big boner for the guy.

I don't get people like you, name me more than one video where Batman or Batman related doesn't deserve to be on the list. You just want attention. Fucking hell I hate people that just hate for no reason. "Watchmojo have a boner for Batman". Shut the fuck up.

Me??

yeah, i actually wanted him to win.

He looked like Roy Batty from the first Blade Runner movie.

Eyeless Jeff I have a guilty pleasure: I enjoy watching the traps in the SAW movies and I also enjoy watching anything related and that has to do with John Kramer and SAW.

Veidt though.

Pretty sure Professor Moriarty established the super-smart villain character way before Lex Luthor

Tristen Yeak but how is being first, also he didn't do it in movie form that good taht early

Such fantastic grammar...I think we found Moriarty!

Dannyboy90ify I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say...

Breaking Bad, True Detective and Narcos are much more intelligent.

+Elaina Clark doesn't come close to anthony hopkins...

Walter Fairbrook True, true.

The Sopranos is the most thought-provoking, deeply intelligent show of all time. College thesises and essays have been dedicated to peeling back the layers of that show. It really isn't close at all.

+Chase Dixon Because of the Sopranos, I'm a little paranoid when I go home to NJ. The Sopranos is awesome and intense.

The wise will rise

There deifinitely needs to be a scene in Rogue One where he gets lightsabered to death. By Obi Wan.

Well, there is a fan theory that Jar Jar was a secret Sith Lord. Seems fairly plausible, too. There are about a trillion videos on KZfaq pertaining to the subject, if you're interested.

In my reality, he is a sith lord. Nuff said. Everybody bow to my opinion.

I neither know nor care if Jar Jar is a sith; but he sure as fuck sucks ass, and I want to see him die slowly and painfully. Preferably by Darth Vader as the executioner.

I guess it's down to his popular portrayals, and he hasn't been that popular when appearing on film whereas in any of the TV series it's a different story

You stole my comment And #SHERIARTY

Magda Gdaekakj hahaha exactly ,but he isn,t really a villain he just wants to end the regime in England for the civilians.

@@daan0124 Daan, you're right :)

@@daan0124 You're right Daan :)

Magda Gdaekakj 😄

I agree, blame Jodie Foster for the ending to Hannibal.

KingKaiserSW Really? She made them change it? Smells like feminism.

Titus Orelius Pretty much, but why they didnt use the original ending after Jodie dropped out of the movie still boggles me.

KingKaiserSW This... I don't understand why they didn't use the original. It was so much better in showing how powerfull the manipulation over people hannibal had.

Fabricio Osuna the book was a fuckfest no one wants to see Clarice Starling turn into a cannibal, the movie wasnt good either but the book ending sucks

I know right

+Rocky Basnayaka and just how many times can the Jigsaw die?

+Rocky Basnayaka Influencing a few people... how incredible. Compared to others on the list who committed genocide. I doubt that just fixes itself via the death of one man. Let us compare Jigsaw with The Emperor from Star Wars. Some murders vs the entire destruction of a planet and the annihilation of a galaxy wide governmental power. This is like comparing Jeffrey Dahmer with Adolf Hitler. Heavens to betsy 17 murders is worse than... how many people died due to Hitler direct actions? Oh that's right, something around 56 million people. And the emperor pulled a blanket over no part of Europe, but THE FUCKING GALAXY. The man literally STOLE AN ENTIRE GALAXY and made most of it his bitch for 30 or so years, while destroying atleast an entire planet. An ENTIRE planet... which was probably somewhere in the ballpark of a lot more then 56 million people. I am sure even though the emperor is dead, that everything will be alright in a few days. Right? Shit... there are 3 more stars wars movies though too (e7-9), lets see how the galaxy fairs after the emperors death just to make sure. But sure... Jigsaw was definitely much more evil, capable and intelligent than all the others.

"Smartest movie villains", fyi that means who is the smartest we aren't counting number's. If we are Galactus would be the number one for me he eats planets for dinner :) I'd rather watch 10 people getting killed in unique way than watching a galaxy wiped out in a same old boring ass bombs ect.. Inconclution you went all out and explain some irrelevant bull crap.

Lady Kira he died once in the whole series, although his death and event's surrounding his death were brought up several times to explain "how/what/who"

Same

yess queeen agreed

He nerver said something smart :P

He shud have been in here for tricking harry in the order of the phoenix

***** i read the books.But i could do that too.

***** that what voldemort did :P if i was a wizard

***** Voldemort was powerful and ruthless, he loved killing innocent and powerless people, but he was actually not that intelligent. Even Harry Potter as a boy keeps outwitting him. Voldemart never really understood how the elder wand worked, and never really understood what it meant that Harry was one of his horcruxes. Remember: when Voldemort finally finds Grindelwald (Dumbledore's old partner, imprisoned by Dumbledore), Grindelwald laughs in his face and calls him a fool. He was an idiot, and his entire life was a huge fail. He never got to be leader of anything other than a little band of murderers. He never gained real power, leadership, or a good life.

Deacon frost??Why?His plan wasnt brilliant or something it was pretty simple but hard to pull off and he died despite being a god

+Γιάννης Χασμάς idk I just thought it was good.

+Γιάννης Χασμάς how about Raoul Silva in the place of Deacon Frost. He's a whole lot better villain.

A great book

I don't think they "got" Watchmen.

One of the best book to film adaptations made

The graphic novel is amazing, but the film was great as well. Not at the same level of greatness as the book, but still good

Jake Cotton graphic novel not a book and it was a horrible movie

IKR

lol

He was too smart for watchmojo to figure out he was even the villain

there is the theory that Jar Jar was the "Phantom Menace" and is behind most of the events in the first prequel and was just pretending to be an idiot

Yoda I Am fuck you jar jar is awesome

personally I think if Hal 9000 was on the list the Skynet AI should have been too. It's one thing to be a genius AI, but it's another thing to have to fight a bunch of people who already know exactly what you're going to do before you do it and try to think accordingly.

Hannibal Lecter is really creepy

Im afraid i cant do that

Hannibal the cannibal

not a movie villlain now in a television mastermind list..... xD

niko torres Someone didn't see the second Sherlock Holmes movie....

***** He wasn't good enough either.

***** actually i haven/t, better go check it out.... but i think they were focusing on slightly more well known or iconic ones

niko torres The character was good in the movie, but yeah, he wasn't iconic.

Was it part of a test?

Cup Meister which one

Same