Hi Steven, I agree with the detailed vehicle inspection reports at each 5000 to 7500 miles oil and filter service being the key to catching this kind of stuff early. Yes, we have saved many of motor that had already been condemned at another shop not realizing what they were looking at. It is far less then the cost of a motor in both dollars and time. Thanks for posting a great response.

Jacob Katari this is one of those designs that just boggels the mind. I still like Ford but not this set up. Glad we could help keep you informed. Thank you for your comment.

It sucks a big one too!

@@Craigs_car_care I reckon you charged a large bill too since you had to take the engine out entirely to do this service. Had a guy I quoted $800 + parts to do this job and still wanted a discount lol

@@scientist100 lol im doing this myself and think im over that just in parts and fluids...some ppl..🙄

Oh yeah, also I did this in the driveway without taking the engine out, no problems.

Oh cool, You make a great point. We have had some that were told they needed a motor also but we were still able to just replace the pump and chain stuff . Still a big investment for a water pump job but way less than a motor. I have seen the AC condensers leak along the edges at the seams, double check the electric radiator fans are working ok. If these run slow it will make the AC pressure run higher then they should at slow speeds and put excess pressure on the AC system.. Glad we could help and thanks for the great feedback. I wish we could get our google profile to link to these videos. :)

I have a 2011 Edge that quit going down the road, towed to dealer who says it need an engine. Only code was a P0016. Had it towed to my place, disassembled and definitely a bad water pump. Thinking of fixing myself, but curious on how bad your was and what all you changed?

Did you get coolant leaking on the ground? How did you know to check the weep hole location? Is not somthing most ppl check every day. Thx

Great work

I don't blame you. I wouldn't by any ford with this engine! What a stupid design!

Smart man i work for AAA and im dropping one @ the dealer @ this moment because other shop said no they won't risk it so here i im they estimated about litle over$ 2000 for this P.O.S

Are you crazy ?

I know this post is 2 years old, but the 2.0L GTDI Ford Edge has a standard drive belt driven water pump that is really easy to change out.

They way it should be for all water pumps that will eventually wear out. Thanks for sharing.

Might as well......They made this thing impossible to do what used to be an easy repair. I had a 1992 S-10 Blazer. You could replace just about anything in your driveway with a couple of friends. As far as this ridiculous edge water pump placement/design goes there is another that beats this in the crazy design department. Look up replacing the bulb on the passenger side brake light on a 2008 FJ Cruiser with the stock subwoofer

We regularly see things that just make you stop and wonder "What the heck were they thinking"! VW bug headlight bulb was another one of those pull your hair out 1-2 hour jobs, that should have been designed to be a 10 minute job.

Hi 8track, Certainly not one of Ford's prouder moments. Thanks for posting.

Planned obsolescence

You got that right 8 track. The idea was not thought through at all.

I guess you don’t realize it. This is not a ford design thing. All the new were cars are going to this so that they can meet the government café standards for cost per mile of ownership.

It isn't JUST a bad water pump design, the problem is having the water located inside the engine where, if it fails, antifreeze/water gets in the engine oil. That has to be the most stupid design I've seen from Ford. All waters should be located external to the engine.

Hi Alex, Glad it helped you out and thanks for the comments:)

Horrible, horrible design. Shame on Ford for this terrible blunder. They don't even recognize the issue or offer any time of reimbursement for anyone whose car leaves them stranded because of this. 1 out of every 2,000 Edge's died before 100k miles. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

Thanks for sharing Colin, sorry you're having to go through this and I sure hope things come out okay. Some shops will drop the whole motor and others are doing it while it's still in the car and as long as the technician is diligent in their work either way will work.

MartyTate76 glad you were able to catch that before the deal went down. Your offer was very fair. Thank you for sharing.

Very futraing for sure. Ford does so many things right that stuff like this can really be a disappointment. Thanks for sharing.

The Ford 3.0l v6 very reliable doesn't have the same design as the 3.5,3.7

Thanks, Yes anything that is worn and already or mostly apart is a good candidate to go back with new parts. Great comment!

@@Craigs_car_care I have 300,000 km on the mazda cx9. I am thinking of replacing the water pump myself. I'm a bit afraid because I'm not a mechanic, I like to fix something. Do you have any tutorial, help on how to do it? I'm afraid of unscrewing the wheels of the variators and shafts.

@@To-Masz I am sorry, I do not have a more detailed video. We have talked about it in the past but have not tried to make one that long yet. Some of our techs are doing these without removing the engine now.

Caleb I think you summed it up in just one sentence really a great point of view. Really appreciate your comments thanks for posting.

Good thing we have the internet to research these vehicles. A timing chain-driven water pump is what happens when you have cost cutting accountants with MBAs make engineering "decisions"

All of the car companies are going to this design. It helps lower the cost per mile of ownership. No more timing belts.

Belt driven timing chains suck too!

Shawn you are not the first one to suggest this. They had to know that this would frustrate Ford owners to no end and even cost themselfs sales in the end of new cars. Thanks for posting.

Actually, it bring bad reputation to these american cars makers. I myself, did bought a brand new 2003 Windstar. It is 16 years old. No issues with engine or tranny.I Have spent at least 2500 dollars in maintenance in those 16 years. Engine and tranny still works like new. Do change the engine oil every 4 months and tranny every two years. I do most of the work, I can get to.

Glad we can be of help but also sorry your having issues. Thanks for sharing.

It does leave one to wonder "what the heck were they thinking" We had speculated maybe even just to remove one more drive belt. Thanks for posting.

The 3.3l and 5.0l are regular external water pumps right?

@@northcountryoutlaw9704 As far as I know, the 5.0 still has an external water pump. There was a class action suit for the Duratec V-6s because of the water pump issue. I know the 3.5 and 3.7 engines have internal pumps because they are transverse mounted and Ford did this to conserve space. (still a bad idea). The F-150 was offered with a 3.3 Duratec and because of it's mounting has an external pump at the front that is belt driven.

@@thomaswoosley4821 I heard the 3.3l was one of the most reliable ford engines I'm thinking about getting one

@@northcountryoutlaw9704...also, the 3.5 EcoBoost has the same issue. It's basically a 3.5 Duratec with turbo added. I'll be car shopping soon and this will definitely affect my decision.

I agree 100 & 10%. Bad design.

Do you know whether or not the 2011 Edge has that same design flaw?

@@Craigs_car_care Do you know whether or not the 2011 Edge has that same design flaw?

@@tonyorob If it has the 3.5l, it has that design.

I think you're right the vehicle overall is not too bad except for the water pump set up leaves a lot to be desired. Really sorry to hear about you parents getting stuck so far from home and the motor being shot to boot. Hope things work out for them. Thanks for sharing

I have a 2011 Explorer and mine went out as well, luckily close to home. Super expensive to get fixed too, I don't want to buy a new car since I was otherwise happy with my Explorer, but to invest $3,000-$5,000 to get it fixed makes me tear up a bit lol. Would the engine even last since it's the same design!?

@@celo3092 Not typically, no. Same flaw, same ticking time bomb. The only good news is that it resets the clock somewhat.

Joseph you are asking a really good question. So the milkiness of the oil indicates that there is mixing of the engine coolant in with the motor oil. If it's not overheating not blowing steam at the tailpipe and there's no engine noise and it has not failed a cylinder block test then there's a good chance it'll survive. But your mechanic is being honest with you that you can never know for sure as only time will tell unless you take the whole thing apart to actually look at everything and if you do that you might as well rebuild or replace the motor. With all that said and your guy may have already done this but see if it has an oil cooler on it that would let the engine oil and engine coolant be very close to one another. I have seen numerous different vehicles have failed oil coolers that were allowing them to mix the oil and coolant at that location and not necessarily require a cylinder head or heads to be removed inspected and or replaced. It's a big decision and I wish I could help you more but when you have this mixing there is definitely a risk that bearing damage could have been done that is not yet evident. Good luck and thanks for asking a wonderful question.

Good Morning Jaime, Yep I just shake my head every time one of these come in. A water pump should have never been made this hard to replace and also put in a place the leak can contaminate the oil. In a perfect world this would work well,but we do not live in that place. Thanks for posting.

And,, I dont think the Chinese can make a cheaper Ford compared to how cheap Ford makes their car's, For making garbage like that, Next time Ford need's a bail out,,, Lettem sink,,

Great point and speaking as a shop that works on its fair share of European vehicles,that really is saying a lot.

Hi Proofbox, Your welcome and thanks for the comments. I'm sure the engineers had a good reason for not just using a belt driven water pump, and if the water pump would last 300,000 miles and the weep hole was forced out away from the oil return it would be ok. :) But............

Ima fan I hear ya, Ford can really put out some crazy stuff that will leave you just scratching your head asking "why would they build it that way!" Lots of the Ford products are very innovative and nice then something like this gets past the Q&A guys. Thanks for posting.

Especially the sohc 4.0. I've built one before u have to have special tools to set up the cams for timing

Ford Sealer is great stuff, thanks for the tip!

Love the Buicks. Great cars

Your Welcome Barb, Glad we could be of service and thank you for your feedback.

That's for sure.

Hi deuce0517 , Big investment for a water pump, but still better than a whole motor I suppose. Bummer it only had 68,880 on it. I am not sure if it would still be any easier even with 168880. Thanks for sharing.

Good Morning Juan, That is one I have not seen before, The hole as you know leads to the weep hole area of the water pump and the area around it is well protected from the crank case area of non pressurized oil. I suggest if you have not yet done so is to clean the area very well. Then add oil dye and run the engine and even drive the car over hours or days as needed to keep watch in the area of the hole to get a better idea of where the oil is coming from. It is possible it could be leaking from above or next to the hole area and leaking back into the hole. The valve covers, intake and heads are all possibilities that need to be look at first. The PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation vale) could be restricted or excessive engine blow by and could be causing to high of crank case pressures and pushing oil out from places it normally would not. So ,I would do some testing first before replacing a lot of parts and doing a lot of extra labor work that may not be needed. Great question and I will ask around in the shop to see if anyone else has seen this.

Happy to be of service.

It does.

Hi Jeffery, Sorry to hear about the Edge. I have not been asked this before but in theory it would be possible to make and install a temperature sensor that will turn on a waring light that could be installed on the dash to light up when it got to certain temperature. The one below is an example made by longacre-racing and sold hat summit. THis kit trips at 230 degrees and that is normal operating temperature for many of today's vehicles. So to use this kit you would also have to use a resistor to change the vale to something like 245 or your light would alsoways be coming on. www.summitracing.com/parts/lng-40150?seid=srese1&cm_mmc=pla-google

JJ P I could not agree more. Each time we look for the good in the design we find many more reasons why they should not have done it. Maybe if they had used a spline drive to run the pump off the chain but mounted it external it would have been ok. Thanks for sharing.

Jason Stanley sorry you are having to deal with this. It's very frustrating for sure. Hard for me to understand why they designed it this way. Hope it all turns out well.

Joe jones you make a great point!. There are other engines out there for different makes that solve the clearance problem by mounting accessories at the sides or even the other end of the motor and drive them off the camshafts. Cadillac ran their water pump off the front cam for years and it sat just over the transmission. It did require a special socket but only took a few hours to replace. When engineers are developing and combining body and powertrains systems this should be high on their list. Thanks for posting.

@@joejones5491 Hi Joe, Pressure test the system and run a block test. The block test is a good way to verify no engine damage or internal burning of coolant. The pressure test should let you see any external leaking. Let us know what you find and thanks for the great question.

@@joejones5491 OK, It has to be going someplace. See what the block test shows and go from there. I have seen cooling systems not leak when the engine was cold ,but then started leaking after it was warmed up. If the block test passes keep a very close watch on it until the leak gets worse and no out of town trips in the meantime.

Good Morning Mike and thanks for the clarification. You are correct that the weep hole does leak to the outside. The seal on the water pump shaft that is driven by the timing chain is how the water/coolant gets into the oil and crankcase of the engine. The weep hole is an early warning that the seal between the impeller and front hub of the water pump has failed and will allow coolant/water to travel down the water pump shaft and what does not go out the weep hole will move on and out the hub that is driven by the timing chain and place coolant/water into the crankcase and mix the oil and coolant together and make that milky looking oil that if left unchecked can cause a lack of lubrication for the engines internally lubricated components. Thus causing early failure of the engine. Thanks again for posting.

Hi Eyes, Yep, not a good design for sure on an otherwise solid platform. Glad you were able to do it yourself really saves on the labor.

Yes it can, but we have had at least two in the past few years come in from other shops that had leaks afterwards.

Engine was off, but it can be done ether way. Also the pumps do not always leak into the engine as it depends how long it has been driven. Sometimes they leak cold or warmed up or both.

Great question Chris, ask the seller for a copy of the vehicle history service records. See what's been done and also have the vehicle inspected by a shop you trust. They may offer a pre-purchase inspection. If the pump has been done recently and everything else checks out you're probably good to go but if not it could be something to negotiate the price over. I think I'll use vehicles have the potential to be an issue after you purchase them people don't generally sell their current vehicles because they're in perfect condition it's no uncommon for a new owner to have to invest in their new purchase to make it perfect for the way they are going to use it. I hope it all works out have a great weekend.

This kind engineering really leaves a person scratching their head ,trying to understand "what the heck they were thinking".

Indeed, I am scratching my head. I did checked the engine. To my surprise is ruined. It smokes and it sounds like the maracas. Did made a loan to help him put an engine in. He deserves a little help. For, he did everything he could to climb the ladder to success. But, right now he do needs a little help to get going. I am getting the engine somewhere down south where they give 5 years warranty. I searched, and no other place gives that kind of warranty.

@@hm3426 That's great of you to help him, Fantastic warranty. Sorry to hear that the motor old motor was no good now.

Glad to hear the video was helpful and also sorry your having to live this thing. Thanks for the shout out.

Thanks goodness it was caught early. It is a bummer but sure could have been worse. Thanks for sharing.

Yes sir a 2000$ bummer. It has been a rough ride this yr. Thanks again

Ford already knows about the problem cause they even circle the problem on the grill

@@adriannewman1322 I mean better than Chrysler junk

Good morning, The only way to really notice is to check all the fluids each day for any that are getting low, or if fluids are seen under the engine area and regular service inspections by a mechanic. If the coolant "liquid" does not mix with the oil and the engine is not overheated things should turn out ok. If the coolant has mixed with the oil and has been operated for any length of time there could be damage done to the moving parts on the internal engine. If the engine was not making any new sounds then before it may have been discovered in time. The mechanic should be able to let you know what they found while replacing the water pump and timing chain. Good luck and I hope it all goes well.

It is a good time to do the guides and tensioner while it is apart. Depending on the milage you can consider replacing the chain also.

Good Morning 75hdfxe, Great question, With the compressor on the lower left up under the alternator there is no room to unbolt it and lift it up out of the way while still keeping a sealed system. The engine and radiators and fans are just too close to one another. You may be able to remove the alternator and then try and lift it but the time required to do this takes longer than evacuating the system and capping off lines with plastic and zip ties to keep dirt and as much moisture out of the system as possible, while doing the repairs. When we go back together the AC lines get new seals and the system gets evacuated for at least on hour. It really comes down to time. If a person did not have an AC machine then it may be worth it to pull everything necessary around the compressor to not break open the system. Fantastic question and I thank you for asking it. Also on a side note I remember one of these we did the client mentioning to us on a two day follow up and thank you call that the AC seemed colder than it had been and asked, had we fixed something in that system while it was apart. We surmised the AC system had probbly been low on freeon and when we did the evacuation and recharge with the correct weight of R134A it probbly just put it back at the full mark and thus the AC was colder.

Great question. You could probbly check around with the parts stores in your area and see if any of them has this in their rental tool inventory. Pricing is still about the same and depends on all what parts a client approves to replace while it is apart. Some only do the water pump and others that plan to keep the cars will generally have us replace all the moving parts, engine mounts and other wear items. Last one we did had almost 200K on it and the client has us even replace the radiator every signal coolant hose along with the other items. that bill invoice was over $3000.00 or about 6 months worth of new car payments as she put it and did not want a new car bill for the next 5 years. Thanks for posting and sorry your having to get ready to deal with this.

Sad for sure when it comes to the water pump design

....Ford was probably judging it.

Fantastic advice Cesar, thanks for sharing.

..and water pumps every 100k miles...to the tune of 2-3k. Sadly, as much as I love my truck, when it dies again (and it will), I am leaving it where it dies and will most likely take a torch to it.

I saw a video of a mechanic pulling the 3.5 out of a Ford Taurus. He put the subframe on jack stand and raised the car and it only took 2 hours. He did not move the engine and when he finished the water pump, he lowered the car back down, making it easy to reinstall the engine. It was much easier to do the water pump replacement with the engine removed. He said total man hours to remove the engine and replace the water pump and the timing chains and reinstall the engine was about 12 hours. The cost of the repair was around 1500 dollars.

As much as I appreciate your comments and It is sure a blow to buying American when a frustrating design like this gets off the drawing board and into production. But also after more than 30 years of working on American, European and Asian vehicles I have seen plenty of poorly designed vehicles for all manufactures to share the knucklehead award from time to time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Well said Ranchwagon66.

Yes he would!! :)

Thank you

That would be a great idea!

Craig's Car Care , the idea is just that simple... LoL I often wondered why not

Makes to much sense, :) LOL

@Jeffrey Cheng because 86hp doesn't sell anymore :)

Thanks Scott

Hi Jeremy, Your right, We should have posted an update. That was about 5 years ago and it did go on to live a long and happy life. Thanks for the great question .

Your looking for coolant loss in the reservoir, leaks, mixing of coolant in the crank case oil ( When you check your oil instead of it being clear or a dark brown or black it would look more like a creamy milkshake indicating the water pump is leaking back internally into the motor)

Ask your shop to perform a cooling system leak test and to get a good look around for anything leaking. Document it and at each oil and filter service preform a good visual vehicle health inspection to catch any future leaks early. Great question.

Yes you can. turn it in the direction of its normal rotation so the tensioner stays loaded up. Pulling from the crank down to maintain tension on the cams. There are also some pretty cool tool sets out there to line it all up and hold it all in place. Great question Joseph.

@@Craigs_car_care thank you

Good morning Greg, Really great question. The two best arguments for being proactive is 1. You can catch this before there is a chance of the coolant and the oil mixing that can result in a condition that can result in the engines oil no longer being able to properly lubricate the engine and possibly running the engine and making a bad situation worse or shortening its life. 2. You get to choose when and where the service gets done and also have the funds ready as you get to decide when it gets done rather than your vehicle. (Kind of like any other maintenance item). We have had clients do just this for all the same reasons you pointed out. Also like you pointed out, If a new vehicle payment is $500.00 to $1000.00 a month for 4-8 years, the vehicle would only need to be driven for 3-6 months to already be saving money. Plus a lower type of insurance could be held as opposed to new car full coverage and thus saving more money as well. Lastly if you do end up selling it or trading it in a year or two after the service, you would have added a selling point for someone and get a clear conscious as well. Good luck with the decision. Thanks for posting.

@craig zale great info! Love that you still come back after the years to share your knowledge and recommendations! 👏👏👏

I heard from another KZfaq channel that by maintaining the oil change with synthetic only you can go up to 500,000 miles on this model!

Hi Abraham, Great point and yes once it i all apart it is just parts at that point. I would always rather replace everything I can and be good for another 100,000 miles plus. Thanks for posting.

Good morning Mo, Other than the water pump this is a great ride. Hopefully it has been replaced already and you are good to go. Thanks for posting.

@@Craigs_car_care This maintenance info wouldn't be listed CarFax report would it?

@@mobeasley8577 Great question! But probably not. Carfax is more for crash data and some warranty work.

Dallas Texas, If you replace just the water pump, oil, oil filter ,gaskets and coolant it would run around $2300 plus tax. While it is apart you may opt to replace the thermostat,belts,timing chain,adjusters it and that adds about $670.00 (still pus tax) on the higher mileage one with factory spark plugs that can be done at the some time for just the price of the plugs. Once it is taken apart there are several other parts you can replace with little to no extra labor. We have also occasionally have the oil control solenoid go bad and at least one of the two needed to be replaced. Sorry to be long winded but with being transparent and trying to get it done 100% correct but at the most affordable way possible and warranty it for 3/36 I like to go over all the options before we start so the owner can make an informed decision and do what makes the most sense both for time and money. On some of these where it was run with mixed coolant (oil and water) for too long ,just trading it made more sense. Thanks for the question and sorry your having to deal with this.

Oh Man :( Very Sad, sorry your having to deal with this. Thanks for sharing.

Hi Willing Wiener :) It has worked out better for us to drop the motor with the sub frame and transmission as a whole. But with that said I know of several that do this with the power train still in place and work between the strut tower/body and the motor and get it done with no issues. Thanks for posting and sharing.

Could it be done the same way on a taurus ?

Hi Nate, Sorry for the delay , I thought I had replied to you. Yes they did.

Hi Rusco321, It really comes down to the milage on what parts to replace. Basics like the chain adjuster are a good idea to replace, plus the thermostat as many of these do overheat and set codes for it. Then look at the drive belts for any wear and replace while off. If it is over 100,000 miles replacing the chain is an option (many times chains can and do go the life of the engine) other things like guides and idler pulleys need to at least be inspected. While the valve covers and intake manifold is off you can easily get to the spark plugs and save having to take this all apart at a later date. Great question, thanks for asking.

I hear ya, can not go wrong with a blazer!

Hi Delbert , It really depends what you replace while it is apart, if you did just the water pump,labor sealer,coolant , oil & filter you will be in around $2,000 to $2,200.00 then if while it is apart you replace the chain , guides,adjusters, spark plugs, thermostat (if it overheated or only got hot), crank seal, belts for the power steering ,alternator and AC while it is all apart that can push it up to $2700.00 and we have seen a few with the VVT control solenoid throwing codes and replaced them while it was apart they are about $85.00 each. Of course this is all dependent on if the engine was ran too long with the coolant mixing with the oil and damaged the bearings for the cranks and cam shafts then a engine is the final fix for those. This one had just about every wear parts replaced while apart and had around 90,000 miles.

Dropping the cradle or doing it in the car can be done in 8-14 hours depending on experience levels and rust,dust,etc. By the time you perform test drives and get the monitors run to verify all systems are ready plan of a two days.

@@Craigs_car_care lol and ford told me it was a 22h + job

Depending what all parts are replaced and provided the motor has not been damaged $1,900 to $2,700 We have done higher mileage ones where the customers had us replace motor mounts, trans mounts and other items while it was all or partially apart for a few hundred dollars more.

I do not blame you James, I feel the same way.

No, not all of them thankfully.

@@Craigs_car_care im in the middle of buying a 2014 but it does have the 3.5. So it's chain driven huh?

@@swish4773 Yep, so watch for the history report from the owner.

Hi Poor Boy 313, thanks for asking a really great question. It really depends on several things. If you do just the water pump and not the timing chain, guides,belt and chain tensioner, spark plugs, drive belt, and the other wear items while it is apart is cost a lot less (just parts at that point but they can really add up) then if you do all the other stuff. Also as some have pointed out if the oil has been badly contaminated and ran for a long time there may be damage to the crankshaft and camshaft bearings that would require the engine to be rebuilt or replaced. We will perform an inspection of the vehicle then sit down with the owner and come up with a plan that makes the most sense for the long term or short term plans for the car.

Hello Jun, It has been some time on this one, but I believe it was between 65,000 and 75,000 miles.

Craig's Car Care thanks a lot for your feedback! My 2012 edge is over 80 k, so it’s the time to keep eye on the pump leak.

No substitute for solid testing , but it was still a frustrating design. Glad yours was found and fixed

I don't necessarily disagree with you however we will take several things into consideration before condemning the motor as in giving the client no option for us other than to replace the motor. Of course the past service history of the motor. If the engine is or is not making any noise. If there is any metal debris found in the filter and or oil. Coolant level and a block check plus and data trouble codes in current, history and mode 6 and mileage are all part of providing an informed and educated decision for the client. If any of these fail then that may outright condemn the engine otherwise we can present the client with the option of trying to salvage what's there. Thanks for the statement, it's powerful and must be a serious consideration.

Josh. Great question, Yes and no. Looking at later models after 2010 the water pump parts numbers change twice up into 2018. For 2019 I no longer see the 3.5 offered in the Edge. But all of them are chain driven. We do not see many doing this after 2010 until a much higher mileage. So the new design seems to last longer and if they do leak less of them leaking into the crankcase. Thanks for posting

Hi George, I hear ya loud and clear. It is very frustrating to try and understand why it would be built like this. Water pumps do fail and to know this and still design it so deep into the motor is a real head scratcher.

cazman408 My roommate has a 2010 Mazda Cx9 with the Ford 3.7 in it. Hope his water pump doesn't go.

That is a good point, that the Mazda may have the same set up. I looked it up and you're correct. Sad, it is not a matter of if,but when it will happen. We have not seen one go out on the Mazda yet.

cazman408 The only thing that the Mazda dealer said to defend the Cx9 is the block is the Ford 3.7 and it was shipped to Japan and "Mazdafied" so maybe Mazda put beefier components. I do know his Cx9 was assembled in Japan.

We can only hope Mazda has a better pump! In the book the Mazda calls for about 2 hours less (More room?) time but the part numbers are the same in the aftermarket for the pump. Some of these show a 3.5L and a 3.7L for the Mazda CX9. Time will tell both if the factory pump from Mazda is better and if the aftermarket pumps last longer than OE. Thanks for sharing with the group.

Internal if it's the same engine

Hi Tim.. consider joining the facebook group called MACT FORD EDGE.. Its a group with people who have edges and help eachother out sharing information

Internal. :(

Thanks for answering this .

Ours is part of a master OTC set, You can buy a smaller set for this motor. I attached a link to some of the tool options. amzn.to/2G12vvT

:)

Hi MultiMiller100 If it is caught early enough there is an external "weep hole" so if it leaks it goes to the outside. On the ones that have mixed the coolant with oil were from ones that went so long the bearing for the water pump failed taking the seal out also and allowed the coolant to go pass and into the motor. On the last few there wa not a lot of noise (some but not a lot) We have started looking at the more closely when they are in for service to catch this before it gets worse. Great question, thanks for asking.

cazman408 I have a 2010 Edge with 155k miles on it. I do some of the maintenance, oil changes, coolant flush etc. You say there is a weep hole that goes to the outside of the engine? will fluid puddle on the ground, if the pump starts to go? also, do you know how far of driving is to far of with a bad water pump? Will an engine shop be able to tell if the bearings get damaged? I know my car is high on miles, but still it is cheaper to replace the engine than to buy a new car, so when the pump goes, it's getting fixed or the engine is being replaced. thanks for sharing the video!

Good Morning Daniel, Thanks for your question. Yes, that can make it to the ground. We recommend letting a tow truck bring in your vehicle as a $100.00 for a tow truck is way less than the cost of an engine and road side assistance or even some insurance companies will reimburse for towing (check yours to find out if you have towing) A repair shop will need to go down the list of what has failed and take it step by step to see how much damage has taken place. Verify a leak, and see if the coolant is low, engine codes, look at the oil for mixing of coolant and oil or it may still be clean. If you suspect the water pump is failing and or can hear noise any more running of the motor will make it worse and could ruin an opportunity to save yours. I hope this helps.

So far no problems! But I want to be prepared for when it does fail. I think I know my car well, so I'll keep an ear out for any unsual sounds or feels. So it can be taken care of right away. Thanks again for the quick resposes!

Your Welcome.

They will have to fire all the other car company engineers to. All the car companies are going to this design to cut the cost of ownership. This helps the meat that 10 year lifespan of the car and CAFE standards for the government for cost of ownership.

Not really, the engine though is designed to be removed very easily. However, I did this in a garage with the engine in; I had no jack stand. I had the same issue, replaced guides, primary tensioner, timing chain, oil pump (was working fine just did it because i had access), timing chain and have a 150,000 miles and still running strong. Sucks ass though this happened this badly at 70,000 miles. If you do decide to it the power steering pump bolt is main limiting factor, need a u type swivel socket adapater to get too, not sure of name, its a fuckin bitch to take off.

It’s called job security

@@PlatinumVenturesLLC or Planned Obsolescence- the fellow who invented the mercury outboard engine in the 1960's coined the phase.

Hi Justin, Depending on what parts get replaced (it is driven by the timing chain and all of it comes off for the repair) It can run in the area of $2,000.00 to $2,700.00. Several of the more recent ones are at 100 k+miles,have us replace the timing chain,tensioner ,guides, seals,coolant,oil,filter,spark plugs thermostat, serpentine belt and it's tensioner/ some even end up getting new motor mounts while it is apart (it's just parts at this point) etc plus labor and sales tax. Some shops are doing these in the vehicle with mixed results. It saves labor when it works. Sorry your having to go through this ordeal and thanks for posting the question. Look for warranty's over 2/24 (we are up to 3/36 now.) If you do not have a shop you use ask for references and referrals plus read reviews to get a good feel for where you are going.

@@Craigs_car_care ty for ur reply I took it back apart the tensioner came lose so I think that's what I heard rattling it's the same engine an vehicle as the one in the video 😂 it was a freaking night mare but I took it apart the second time in a half HR lol 😂 thanks for the reply

Sure does make you wonder what they were thinking. I wonder how many had to done under the warranty? Great point for sure.

Yep, Crazy that a giant like Ford would stop selling cars . The F series trucks are pretty decent. Great comment.