My first thoughts exactly. Lol.

The stark difference between the two are great,😂😂😂

Yup. Was thinking the same thing. Surprising how many Americans don’t know about that event. Even ancient Israel now, is super buried as well.

Thank for this information. I had no idea as well. I love learning things of history. I was sent like this when. I was younger. My father always told me. Once you start learning history, your hooked. Man was he telling the truth. I can't get enough. ​@@Borkybaby

Even church leaders are not immune to temptation. In this case, they lean more on their traditions than on facts. I can feel their necks getting stiff.

Your bashing church leaders?

It’s amazing how quickly the earth covers cities. The hills in Central America are actually ruins and you would never know it. Buildings are covered with trees which have grown up through buildings in all the ruins. It’s a bit different here in America but I think our ruins look more like the Middle East than anything I’ve seen in Central America. Those ruins look like ancient Asian architecture.

Phyllis Olive has a different geography model, 1 of over 250 models. She believes it happened only in the state of New York--a very limited model.

Being an elder is both a calling and an office in the priesthood. It does not mean the same thing as a tribal elder who is full of wisdom and experience. That said, young men and women who serve missions in faith and obedience to their calling, carry a special spirit with them to assist in their labors and to help those with open hearts and minds to feel the truth of the message that God once again spoke to man and restored his gospel with priesthood authority to the earth.

Becky, please contact me through the Scripture Notes contact page. Someone has been trying to reach you to help with this but is having issues posting here.

I'm actually his son. :) So glad you got to have your blessing through him.

But only the LDS hear it

Yes

thank you Bruce for correcting the location

Yes, he's been here a few times meeting mostly at RLDS buildings with other believers. I've attended one and it was packed.

Yes, Wayne does. I am LDS and have visited Independence Missouri to support my RLDS-Restorationist friends who have held conferences with their Heartland Group. In fact they are having a conference this coming November. I just asked my friend, who is organizing that conference to comment here about that.

The Independence, MO “The Land of Promise Heartland” group will be having a conference on Friday November 1 & Saturday November 2, 2024. There will be more information coming about our conference towards the end of the summer. We’ve got so far Wayne May, Michael Stahlman, and Phill Wright as presenters but more to come.

Go to www.ldsarchaeology.com/ and in the top banner area either wait for the view to change to the 2nd panel and you'll see a donate button, or look for the 2 tiny white dots in the bottom area of the image and click the 2nd one and you'll see it.

Misunderstanding here of sorts?? Lehi arrives on coast of Florida, some time later he leaves the older brothers for a new place, he has to travel north of north west out of Florida. He settles (my call) in what would become east Tennessee my choice for Land of Nephi. They will reside there for about 400 years when the Lord tells Mosiah , He will guide him to Zarahemla at present day Iowa.

Don't know a name.

The Book of Mormon knowledge would have been taken to Central America after Christ visited the Nephites at the Bountiful Temple, He went all over the Western Hemisphere

Jesus also told the Nephites that he had more people to see.

There’s no question that Jaredites and Lamanites made their way to mesoamerica and that there was interactions between people of S America, Meso and N America. The cultures and myths would have been shared. The question is where did the events of the BOM occur.

He scoffed at the idea

Exactly. If the church thought there was a way to validate the Book of Mormon, they would throw billions of dollars at it.

Artifacts don't contain DNA. However, the Hopewell civilization has a DNA connection to Israelite lineage. The Hopewell also lived in the Northeast Americas from around 550 BC to 400 AD according to archeologists which is the time frame of the Nephite civilization.

The Book of Mormon is constantly being validated. There is a lot of physical evidence to support it, yet that's not the treasure. The treasure is inside the book. If you haven't read it, don't condemn it.

Nothing could be further from Nephi’s description of abundance than Chile’s stark mountainous coast.

Thank you Albert for saving us from ourselves. Yes we are all stupider and more gullible than you. You keep putting your faith and trust in the Smithsonian Etc. This is corroborating evidence. The Book of Mormon itself can not be rationally explained away. Are you the guy who can look at a flower and not see evidence of God? Happy contrarianism.

We are focusing on Scriptures, history and archaeology that is Book of Mormon oriented. Firm Foundation is a melting pot of numerous comings and goings in the Salt Lake Valley, not focused enough on BoM in our opinion

@@waynemay3404 Hello Wayne. This has nothing to do with this upload but I'd like to share with you what I bumped into regarding what a curelom and cumom is. Cureloms and cumoms were more than likely crossbred beasts of burden such as mules(Jack and Hinny). If so, I believe the two words used in the BoM stem from the Adamic language that could have still lingered in the Jaredite language. Since Ancient times, Elephants and Mules have been known to be superior beasts of burden above the donkey and the horse. "and there were elephants and cureloms and cumoms; all of which were useful unto man, and more especially the elephants and cureloms and cumoms" "Mules were known in Egypt since before 3000 BC and for some 600 years - between 2100 BC and 1500 BC - - the Pharaohs sent expeditions into the Sinai to mine turquoise. The miners marked their route with carvings on rocks showing boats and mules (not camels!). Mules were, at that time, the preferred pack animal. Also in ancient Egypt, while the Pharaohs were carried about in fancy litters by servants, the common people often had the use of mule drawn carts. An Egyptian monument from Thebes depicts mules yoked to a chariot. Mule remains are frequent in the archaeological record, suggesting that mules had become a "mainstream" animal early on, used primarily for pulling wagons or transporting burden. To the north in Asia Minor, the Hittites were the most powerful of the early horse-people - - but they ... considered the mule to be at least three times more valuable in price than even a good chariot horse ." For a short 10 min. read... Google History of the mule by DAVE BABB. :>)

I Would love to hear the WHY of your statement. To be a contrarian and to expect such a level of perfectionism is so easy. Are you a Monday morning quarterback also? with no skin in the game? You will notice that Wayne May ends all his presentations with the statement. I REPORT YOU DECIDE Give him the same respect even if you are a smarty pants. Charity never faileth brother

List all your reasons for Kinderhook to be fake and I will meet you on all points with list to validate the plates. So lets do it Bob?

Well Bob, list your reasons for Kinderhook as fake items and I will meet each one of your statements with reasons for authenticity. Lets do it Bob.

Gordon B Hinkley participated in the Church’s purchase of documents forged by Mark Hoffman …..maybe you question his credibility?

@@waynemay3404 This is akin to debating whether the earth is round or flat. A flat earth and those fake plates are bogus.