no single unit in the game, completely by itself, should gift you a win, ever.

Every race has viable 1-unit armies.

You are missing the point. No other race has a 1 unit win button. Much less, a 1 unit win button from 2 techs and heavy hero deficit against the top 1 player.

@@AaryonTeragon one unit? Ignoring the gyros, knights, gryphons. Your post is like people saying that UD wins with just ghouls

@@tak08810 gyros, ignoring for a moment that they too are pretty toxic, for completely different reasons, were countered properly, and didn't make a huge difference, much less the rest of the army getting nuked every 2 seconds. You know what does make a difference? A unit that destroys 2 bases in minutes against a 70 food army with high lvl tri hero, just by right clicking, and being more difficult to take down than most buildings in the game, even when "countered". I'm not hating on Sok, I also loved most of the match. But if you want to put something being imba in evidence, he pulled out a comeback against Happy via spam, that's how silly it is.

Exactly

Agree. It's an RTS. Literally a strategy game. Sok outsmarted him. GG.

Tbh, I learned how to love tears caused by tanks hehe.

Clear af you dont play this game and just watch b2w vids while taking a dump

Amazing RTS gameplay truly at the end indeed

Wow such amazing strategy, build a bunch of towers and then build a bunch of tanks, 1 trillion IQ

Once game goes long Human has an advantage. Happy has his timing and he gambled on that working, because if it didn't he had poor chances anyway.

That's right, Sok exploited Happys tendency to always force the destro bust

​@@damo9961from what I saw recently the main issue in Hum vs UD is Undead getting steamrolled by AM lvl 3 timing attacks. If game goes late with Undead not being too far behind and assuming Undead has counter vs tanks it usually looks fairly even. Note how Sok fully mined 2 gold mines in that game while Happy basically only had one and still Sok barely won with the last attack he could afford. If Happy focused more on expanding he would probably survive and won in G3

Water elementals can one shot ghouls?

@@rich531 Yeah he had bit of exaggeration in his post. UD could expo when they start going into t3. They'd be able to defend their expo if attacked and then go offensive. Giving them time to foritfy their expo too.

UD 2 bases looking grim nowadays against HU 2 bases late game. Most recent buffs HU got are so to encourage 1 base play but I don't think that's going to change. Instead it even encourage 2 bases play even more because HU has better timing and resources in early game than before. At this point, might as well go back to 1 base push as it have better chance on winning

yeah, as next day games show - wagons do no change

Even tanks… yes… also undead even built acolytes, what a cheesy guy

Now imagine if nelf put in as much effort as these hu players.

@@Opi395 it’s not about effort. Every non tank unit just gets blast out of existence by UD heroes.

@@timfink7980 just waiting for a nelf to mix in some fairies in burn phase for any mid to late game fight. You will burn statues and heroes. Elf already mixing in hippos to combat destro late game. My point is there is more nelf can do that they aren’t utilizing right now. Just not enough players on the competitive scene to push a meta for them to be competitive in this match up. It isn’t impossible.

That's a weird way to spell Undead Imbalance but ok

Wrong army composition to counter tanks. So its mainly his own fault for not adapting:

towers have heavy armor, not fortified, so wagons deal 100% damage to them (50% compare to other buildings), while destroyers do 200%. So destroyers are ~4x times more effective than wagons vs human watch towers (except canon ones).

@@nightyonetwothree let's not forget that meat wagons is just slow ass fragile free exp unit for HU. It's the most sane decisions to go destros to push HU bases with million of heavy armor type towers

@@nightyonetwothree But the range... destroyers die to towers while the range of meat wagons is just a matter of time

And also splash damage from wagons + nova is quite good without rain of fire to deal with the peasants

@@AdoneSound meatwagons just cant kill towers in time before knights come out of rax, than they'll become free exp tomes with zero fighting capabilities. Destroyers suffers from towers, but have a chance of breaking the defense at least. They also splash if have mana (bust rely on chainmorph mostly)

Vs the lame undead with almost no army but 3 op heroes that somehow defend forever

@@timfink7980 the lame human have the most lame unit inthe game (tanks) +3 most op heroes in the game (am, mk, pala) +most op broken towers in the game +most fastest and safest expo in the game +fastest creeping in the game +strongest t3 (gryphon/knights). +lame staffs. Tell the truth

@@nightyonetwothree yea towers so op a single statue outheals it

@@timfink7980 yea ud heroes so op single staff outheals them all

@@nightyonetwothree yea human heroes so op single coil nova kills them all

Sok had more army more gold and better upgrades + 2 base … Some tanks gyros footman 3 heroes knights snipers footies priests … what more they should do?

Also 5 3/3 tanks is huge investment and also takes 20 population while can really fight, happy had no army when tanks won …

​@@demetrenikabadze5468I agree. But if they didn't remove it, there is an anti air upgrade for tanks, and at some points, that would have been great against the destroyer, instead of driving away. It's also better to use tanks, like Sok did, because fighting Happy would have been a huge risk, because UD heroes are so strong. They can destroy an army. Lich has a lot of mana, DK had sobi, DR can make minions, even from creeps, and with coil nova and aura, the UD heroes can snipe single units, retreat and win the long fight. They are worth an army. He had 1 last tank in queue. If he wouldn't have won there, he would have had to attack with the last tank while using his army to get the expo up. At the time, Happy destroys the tank, expo is up and running and another tank it out, to buy a bit more time. Happy would have had to break a new expo, and Sok would have been able to mine for a few minutes at the point, Happy would arrive. He would have had to destroy the expo, while defending his last zigurat, while Sok can build tanks and army in his other bases. So I think, while coming to Happy's base with Sok's army to finish him would have been to dangerous, in the end Happy would have been forced to attack into Sok and his 3rd base anyway, after Sok mined for a few minutes to prepare, and even with this UD heroes, Sok would have won this fight. Even, if not, it would have been enough time to destroy the last Zigurat while Happy takes out the 3rd, because Happy had TP, but no main building. So even, if Happy would have destroyed the last 2 tanks, even with army vs army showdown, he wouldn't have had a realistic chance to win 🤷‍♂️

these undead players man... not overpowered enough? want to easily win with one base against a 2 base human?

I think Happy is human. ironic isn't it? You can't win them all.

I think he plays weak for a few matches so UD doesn't get nerfed / opponent races might be nerfed. Strategic long term win haha.

@@Gamyr you dont know happy

@@nightyonetwothree can you defend your assumption better then Happy defended his base ?

damn HU is OP AF

“ whole army cant stop” - 5 3/3 upgraded tanks vs 2 heroes 3 statues 1 destro with no mana and 1 banshee is not a whole army… basically 2 hero vs 5 tanks and those heroes are going to win it will take time that all… Also tanks are getting nerfed :)

@@demetrenikabadze5468there are no changes to tanks in the upcoming PTR as far as I know. Tanks are fine where they are, players just need to learn how to counter them better.

@@rich531 Curse can now target mechanical units - you think this is target for tinker bots? This is against tanks… Cripple can now target mechanical units - this is also for tanks Also buffing meet wagons who is counter to tanks is also bad news for tanks

@@demetrenikabadze5468 tanks are not getting nerfed. UD is getting buffed.

​@@rich531I agree, Happy had no real counter to tanks, and also waited to long, and let them roll in. Happy was the one with the staff, who just can show up in the 3rd and destroy everything with solo DR and shadow. Sok's tanks were slow, and they need their time to destroy stuff. Imagine 4 or 5 meatwagons against the groups of tanks, and a few less statues or destroyer. Would have been worth it. Happy's heroes were strong enough, he didn't need that many statues and destroyer. If there is a unit, that needs changes, imo it's bears, because they always die so fast, even against ghouls. Yes, they have good spells, but they seem to be bad in fights. Maybe 1 MG with taunt would help, but bears just are very fragile, and their spells are useless against destroyer, at least during the battle. I don't play WC3 atm and like UD and Orc the most, but how UD roll over NE, not just Happy, and especially how fragile bears are, gets a bit boring. You have ghoul fiend vs bear dryade fights, and hear more bears than ghould dying. So imo, if units need a changes, IF, imo bears should be on top of the list 🤷‍♂️

What are you on about? I"m a UD player but happy smashes almost all his opponents. Sok deserved these wins.

Yeah… Hu mined x2 gold , spend on army x3, had close lvl and items on heroes, 6 more upgrades and just couldn’t compete with fair game… Don’t worry ptr most likely will kill tanks so hu won’t have this option against ud. Will need to go 5-6 base vs 1 :)

Why is it lame lol? It's a strategic game, happy went wrong tech against t1 mass towers and didn't punish, waited until t3 and then mass tanks. That's basically that wonder thing in age of empires, you let them hoard too much materials and time it's a win by sieging.That's a RTS, it's not Dota I. KZfaq wc3 commenters are the worst, happy loses its and instant turn from UD unbalance to erghhmagad tanks.

Coil nova coil nova coil nova... after UD blatantly out-powering NE for YEARS, I gladly cheer on every Hu victory against them! Ave UD imbalance!!

Its people that does not even play the game. And they are playing then they are delutional. UD has always been good vs HU. They can go 1 base vs 2 base and that says it all. They need triple hero, triple staff, orb of fire, knight with upgrades, gryros with upgrades, having a aviary ready in case of aboms, frag shards and breackers ready in case of banshees, a ton of towers and a heavealy intense early. UD needs a DK/lich, a rod and a few ghouls/fiends to own you until t3. In which he has the higher hero levels (DL, DR or pit lord), destros, a better orb, better upgrades since fiends and destros are in the same tier, banshee tech and all the maps items. Stop crying and start playing. The only unbalanced matchs are UD vs NE like alot and UD vs orc by a bit.

Sick game. Awesome awesome awesome. Thanks for the entertainment