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"About 12 years or so" It's confirmed, Polites had the calendar XD😭

Oooooh so it all connects! Siren song = I see a song of past romance Scylla Throat = I see the sacrifice of man Mutiny = I see portrayals of betrayal Lighting Bolt = And a brother's final stand

Jay specifically said that he wants Eurylochus to have a giant anime sword XD

Funfact: Song 21 and 22 were kept a secret from us FOR YEARS, we didn't even knew what their names were or what they were about BECAUSE This are NOT events that happend in the actual Odyssey. So, you can imagine the Winions surprise when song 21 was SUFFERING! An assumed Cut-out song that the only snippet we had from the chorus was YEARS ago!😆

“I made a mistake like this, it almost cost my life” notice how Ody isn’t actually thinking of the men who actually got killed by his move. He’s completely focused on himself getting home at this point

"My real wife knows I'm not scared of the water" Keep that melody in mind :D

I would like to mention that Different Beasts starts in the same way as Polyphemus (the song), with an arrow being shot, but where Polyphemus was spared, the sirens weren't

I really love "we are the man-made monsters" as a line. Every other monster they've faced was made by a god. Polyphemus is Poseidon's son, Circe is a goddess, Poseidon is a god himself, Scylla is the way she is because of godly intervention. Even Troy Saga Odysseus was a monster made by gods, in that he did what he did at Athena and Zeus's demand. But now, the crew have faced so much trouble that they have become monsters- this time with no god to make that happen.

In the Percy Jackson book Sea of Monsters Annabeth told us how Sirens reveal unspoken truths to those who listen to their songs. It's how Annabeth found her fatal flaw

the whole "poseidon is scared of scylla" is an EPIC-original idea, but it does hold true to greek mythology; the gods were immortal and all, but could absolutely be hurt and/or poisoned by some monsters.

Poseidon isn't scared of Scylla. His daughter who got turned into a Sea Monster is directly next door to Scylla, and he blames himself for Zeus turning her into a monster

Me: sees mortius has a new upcoming video Me: sees the thumbnail Me: 🥹🥹🥹🤩🤩😭

"lip-read, gaslight, gatekeep, Odysseus" mew life motto discovered lmao (20:58)

So, now that this is released, I can share this!!! Back in the Underworld Saga, during the song 'No Longer You', Jorge revealed what PART of the choir was singing behind the Prophet. It was actually references to The Thunder Saga!! - Siren Song! - Scylla Throat! - Mutiny! - Lightning Bolt!

Fun Fact: Jorge partially revealed what the backing vocal spirits are saying in "No Longer You" & all of them relate to the thunder saga; the 1st four are "Siren's Song", "Scylla Throat", "Mutiny" & "Lightning Bolt" - it's awesome!

Songs 21 and 22 were especially hidden by the entire Epic community due to the fact that i think because it had to deal with sirens and all that, they were kept a secret till the release :3 Also! It was confirmed by Jay that he wants Eurylochus to have a huge sword to be apart of his costume!

A fun fact about "suffering" is that in the Odyssey, Odysseus knew about the sirens beforehand and had his crew plug theirs ears. However, odysseous decided to keep his ears open and vulnerable to the sirens, in another display of his hubris, and his constant mission to prove his strength

I believe the reason Ody thought the siren would be truthful to his questioning on a route back home was because, if she truly believed that he was being controlled by her song then he was going to die so why waste extra effort to think about a lie for a route avoiding Poseidon.

I just wanted to say this bc I haven’t seen anyone else point it out directly, but it’s so cool that the siren “penelope” ‘s instrument is the other sirens voices.

Eurylochos having a Bustersword styled weapon is actually a very early design choice of Jorges so yes it's canon :D

"He would chase you high and low" is in the same note as "He would burn your house and home" (not sure abt the lyrics) in The Horse and The Infant, same goes for the proceeding lyrics

"we are back and we are suffering" Mood, you are not wrong though

you have to wonder if Ody's decision making was impacted by the sight of his wife telling him "this is your only way home."

"Just stop making him go to the worst places!" That's it. That's the Odyssey in a nutshell.

No one seems to point this out, but I like the detail that the bow sound effect is the same from the beginning of the Cyclops saga.

The fact he killed the sirens by drowning is ironic because I believe the sirens killed by drowning their victims

So a few things that I've noticed and have been mentioned for these two songs. Suffering: 1. The Song opens to synth beats and distorted voice, hinting to this Penelope being synthetic. This is further hinted at as she has singers to harmonize with, Her siren sisters. 2. The lines "I Could/Can/Will take the suffering from you." Has several meanings, firstly is Penelope could sooth Odysseus's suffering. Second, the Siren can end Odysseus's suffering by killing him. And thirdly, the Siren will take on suffering by the hands of Odysseus and his crew in the end though she doesn't yet know it. Different Beast: 1. The line "we are the ones who feast now." is not only mocking the Sirens for getting caught, but is a callback to Polyphemus who was going to make a feast of Odysseus and crew. 2. The Shift from the word We, to He for the last chorus may be foreshadowing for what is to happen next, in Monster Odysseus stipulates "If I became the monster to everyone but us..." but now his crew is singling him out as The man made monster." making it pretty clear what choices he's going to make in the future.

I feel that the reason the sirens told him how to escape is because of pride they believe that all the men on his crew will die so they see no issue in just telling him how to escape

I assume the siren told Odysseus the truth because: 1. She was sure he was under her spell and about to be eaten, so why bother trying to make up another lie on the spot to a dead man? 2. It might be a point of pride for her kind. If they are known to have such broad awareness of the sea, then it might be something she was happy to display when asked.

As for the siren speaking truthfully, it's just easier to tell the truth than to lie. If she was going to lure Odysseus into the water to kill him anyway, why bother lying and risking being caught in the lie?

The way you can instantly tell it’s not Penelope singing bc her instrument isn’t in the background

remember the "I see a SONG OF PAST romance~"

Fun fact: scylla is Poseidon's ex lover ,they broke up after a curse was placed on her and she turned into the monster she is now ,but it's kind funny to think Poseidon is scared of him ex

Cf in the whole vid: is this poseidon in ody's dreams? Mort in the first 5 seconds: sirens?

My way of thinking of how he knew she was telling the truth is by pretending to be tranced by the song and that they were Penelope. Would definitely sell to a siren especially if she was sympathetic towards Odysseus. Kinda like how villains think they are gonna kill the main character so they reveal the secret plan

MORTI, Idk if you see it earlier, but our friend ElianZiS made so beautiful animatic for "Scylla" (Jorge posted it on his shorts a while back)

I feel like the change in odysseus's voice comes both from him now embracing a monsterous ruthlessness, but also from the satisfied smugness of tricking and outwitting a normally deadly encounter for any other sailor

11:44 In Greek Mythology, when you go to the Underworld it is not automatically "Hell", but they had to go to the Underworld to find out how to return home and avoid Poseidon, so when they literally found out that the prophet would not help them, Odysseus realized that if he wanted to return home he must become a "Monster" and bypass obstacles without mercy, and when they came out of the Underworld they entered the waters of the sirens, and Poseidon probably knows that, and thinks that they will take care of Odysseus, but Odysseus was ready, and got the information where to go where Poseidon will not follow, so this was the plan to get around him.

I love how unserious the first song was (unironically also called "Suffering" lmao) while the second was straight up a mass murder Also, I think that the lowest harmony in that crew vocal is Ayron Alexander, who voices Perimedes (the 3rd most important person in Odysseus' crew lmao) and also will voice another important character later on. Perimedes was best friends with Elpenor, who sadly died, and nobody noticed (he died, and nobody cared [he drank wine from a chalice, atop of Circe's Palace, he fell and broke his neck in shame]) Umm but anyways, maybe since he's grieving a dead friend (who canonically is voiced by Luke "Zeus" Holt!!) his voice is much lower and more somber than his previous appearances.

A thing I saw from another commenter on another channel which I forgot so credit to them. Poseidon would be "scared" of the lair of Scylla because that is where Charybdis lies as well. And it just so happens that Charybdis was a nymph daughter of his who was transformed into a horrible monster for reasons I forgot right now. So he would not wander around out of grief, as much as he can grief lmao. In any case I really liked this take so I'm putting it here. Again credits to the person who made the comment !

I watched the live stream so it isn’t new to me, but I just want to see your reaction. Honestly, I paid attention more to the animatics then lyrics because I knew what would happen later on. But still excited for your reaction

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS, also Anna Lea is the one playing Penelope!, she sounds absolutely beautiful in this saga, and she was in Keep Your Friends Close only when Ody was daydreaming!

So, the first hint that Penelope is not actually Penelope, is the absence of the beautiful violin that always accompanies her, and that the "Penelope" was slightly different and off key - rather than a mediocre imitation, one might say. And of course - the electro music, that signifies magic

Oh my god, you cracked Penelope being a siren so fast, I’m impressed! I was so out of whack due to not knowing if it was supposed to be a flashback or not, or what the location was, to really get it until the end of the song 😭 I mean, I got that it wasn’t her at the daughter mention, but her specifically being a siren took another while for me to get haha. The siren is indeed voiced by the same actress as Penelope. And seriously, Anna Lea is such a wonderful singer!! I’m so excited for more Penelope songs. I remember hearing a snippet of a future song a while ago now and it was absolutely heavenly, and I cannot wait for the full thing

The reason eurilicyes sword is like that is because Jorge once said he always imagined him having a giant sword like in anime. So now everyone gives him one

13:19 “Don’t get in the water!” Odysseus: “Bet”

The worst part about the sirens is that they're doomed to perish if someone hears their song and survives it. That's why the "cut off their tails" isn't in the Odyssey, because Odysseus doesn't cover his ears with beeswax and is able to hear the song tied up to the ship's mast, therefore the sirens die once the crew past by. Since in Epic all of them cover their ears, this is the way Jorge found to kill the sirens.

28:15 OMG did anyone notice the lyric changed from (He/We) (is/are) the man made monster To (He/We) (is/are) the man-made monster There’s a hyphen now! Which means grammatically, the men are now talking about how Odysseus man-made himself into a monster unlike before where they were just saying they’ve turned into monsters.

Something I do wanna mention, at the very end of different beast the crew says ody's name unlike in every other song where they refer to him as "sir" or "captain". (SPOILERS BELOW FOR THE 4TH SONG OF THE THUNDER SAGA) In mutiny we hear Eurychus (idk how to spell his name) call him Ody... not sir, not captain, not even his full name... just Ody

Bold of you to assume i haven't been constantly listening to the new releases non stop since they dropped I recently discovered your channel and you have some of best reactions, I've been waiting for this!!

Oh it's amazing that you were able to get to react to the live stream, that's so awesome! I soooo hope you'll react to more animatics down the line too. Neal Illustrator's Thunderbringer is amazing for that! Excited to see your thoughts on all the coming songs

Did you hear the high pitched siren screams as they die? Yea..... Haunting

my guess for why he expected the sirens to be truthful about the route is that in some mythos, the sirens sing about what you desire to lure you. Ody tricks the siren to sing about the route to get home as by making it clear that was his desire

The reason Odysseus doesn't always know the exact amount of time they've been gone is because Polities was the one who kept track of the time (And bc Jorge messed up hehe)

Also anyone notice the nice triplet (?) in the "but while you were so focused on turning my men into snacks" it's so clean and beautiful

My boy Odysseus has truly become Monster rawr rawr rawr

Polities in the backroung "This life is amazing when you greet it with open arms".......

Ive been on listening and relistening to the Thunder saga on repeat for almost a week now, kid you not by day 3 im already humming melodies from the songs when i turn my music off 😅 Cant wait to see your reactions!! ✨️ see you tomorrow!

The soldiers are probably lower to show their conctions with Eurylochus

FUDGE YES!!!!! I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE YOUR REACTION TO DIFFERENT BEAST! (BY FAR MY FAVORITE) 36 HOURS TO GO!!

The ‘What?!’ in “Different Beast” is the final instance of the ‘…What?’ in the entire musical

12:22 There are multiple people in Greek Mythology that the big 3 were scared of. Circe was one of them.

AHHHH I LOVED WATCHING YOUR REACTIONS!! When I first heard Suffering I was literally in the same boat (no pun intended of) “Penelope POV? Wait, no not daughter? Huh??” HAHAHA

MORTIUS, YOU DIDNT CATCH SOMETHING!! In Different beast at the end, they are humming the tune from Remember them when he is telling the cyclops who he is

If Ruthlessness is Mercy, then the stunt Odysseus just pulled was Angelic...

18:44 Yeah, Jorge revealed in an easter eggs short that Eurylochus has a Cloud Strife sword, lol

36 HOURS TO GO!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️

i think it's so funny that multiple people have heard the "Come play with me and our Daughter!" line and instantly went "wait does Odysseus have a daughter? since when???" instead of clocking it as mistake on the Siren's part

18:37 Eurylochus having a big sword became cannon as a joke. The is a Tick Toc of Jorge and Eurylochus's voice actor Armando fighting with sticks on a beach with the song mutiny playing. Armando had a much bigger stick, and a bunch of comments were joking about Eurylochus having a giant sword.

Odysseus: *attacks 'Penelope'* Mortius: *is physically repelled out of the area*

21:31 She wants to trick him. Giving people what they want is one of the easiest ways. Also, if he was under her spell, her guard would be down because it wouldn’t matter what she says he’d just hang onto every word.

"Oh that's some siren nonsense right there" is one of my favourite new sentences

SPOILERS FOR THE LAST TWO SONGS (for everyone who hasn’t listened to them yet) When Morris’s asked if they are eating the sirens, I just had to laugh. Because no, they are not, and that is a bad thing XD

Love how mortius immediately realizes the sirens and Casper goes on this train of Poseidon Penelope

Suffering is DEFINETLY one you need to see the Gigi animatic for!!

Them killing the sirens hits me a lot harder than it should. He brought sheep to the wolf den and then punished them for hunting. Not to mention he eradicated an endangered species.

I like how the crew sounds like cyclops like they are cyclops to those syrens😢

*SPOILER* QUESTION DON'T SEE IT MORTIUS When do you guys think we should show him the amazing Antinous parody? Probably after his song Hold Him Down right? I recently re-discovered it again and have been listening to it non-stop lmao 🤣 I hope the singer actually makes a full song when it comes out.

That “Anime Sword” is a greatsword. They actually exist. Edit: I’ve already said it twice, but people keep commenting so I’ll add it to the actual comment. *I never said it was accurate, nor that ones like the one Eurylochus has were ever used for more than decoration.* I merely said that they actually exist, which is a statement of fact.

Something I’ve noticed in different beasts and the underworld is that in both of them when odysseus belts “all I hear are screams” and “cut off their tails” it really sounds like Poseidon which is an cool connection to make because of his whole ruthlessness is mercy thing.

"Penelope's" Sarcastic and uncaring "Oh No" gets me everytime.

thinking about Different Beast as Ody's literal *villain monologue* following Monster is just... UGH im obsessed

🧜‍♀Regarding the song of the Sirens, this may be original to Epic and inspired by Percy Jackson, since in the second book Annabeth tells us how the Sirens reveal unspoken truths to those who listen to their songs. That combined with the fact that mythologically the Sirens sing about your desires and want (Odysseus' want is to return home) can result in when they sing they cannot lie if you ask about something you desire and they know the answer, clearly if they don't we end up with a Telemachus who according to them is a girl. In summary: The mermaids sing about your wishes and unspoken truths that they know + Odysseus wants to return home and asks how to do it = The mermaid is sincere because she is singing an answer to something she knows and Odysseus wants, so that he enters the water and she can eat it😋

I love the deep voices of the crew during Different Beast. I envision the crew circling the trapped sirens like a hungry wolf pack snapping at their prey.

i love how Jay used Penelope's Voice Actor for the Siren's it works way to well.

I’m glad to see you liked the Posiren song!! >:) **me coming back after Casper’s vid just to comment this**

Can we just talk about how they are the ONES who FEAST now? Polyphemus' saga was about hunger and we bring this theme back. And CUT off the TAILS?!?!? I can swear they kept the fish tails for sashimi, I SWEAR IT, I SAY!!!

"That's some siren nonsense!" Please make that into merch somehow, it's perfect.

The "don't you miss me" for some reason made every hair on my body stand up, and I don't know why 0-0.

I was so excited for your reaction! (Specially the part when Odysseus say "Let them drown") I'm so happy to see you again!!!

Dude! Thank you so much for releasing this 3 minutes after I get off work!!!🥳🥳🥳 Now I don't have to be sad that they normally come out when I have an hour or half an hour left! I should already be on my way home when this drops!!! Thank you thank you thank you!!!🥰🥰🥰💖💖💖💖

Honestly your videos and Casper's videos are the bright side to this last few weeks. Finals were killing me and to stop for a few minutes to watch your videos are one of the reasons that I manege to go thru them without going insane. Thank you so much for your amazing reactions that never stop to make me smile. Don't forget to take care of yourself!! Lots of love all the whey from Brazilian 💜

Can't wait to see your reaction to the rest of the Thunder Saga. Two songs in particular come to mind.

I'm so excited for this! It's coming out sooner than I expected, so that's awesome!

4:25 “at least one more time” HAH! One more time is hilarious, I’ve already been listening to them on repeat since the 4th

Watching this while working on my “Scylla” animatic has been an incredible experience, thank you so much for the video! “Different beast” is definitely one of my favourite songs in the entire musical. Not from the musical standpoint (although it sounds incredible, don’t get me wrong) but because of Ody’s character development showcased here. It is horrifying how cruel he has become (killing the sirens is a rational decision, but the way too kill them… yes, not the most ethical way) and is so incredible from the writing perspective:D

Seeing that you were able to get access to the livestream visuals makes me so happy cuz I had been craving to see those again!!! Always love to hear that I am not alone in some of the thoughts I get when listening to the songs. Actually went "oh hey Mortius is having the same thoughts of 'wait scared of the water since when' and my bf was like 'well trama from Posiendon'" AS YOU were voicing the same lines. XD I know that you were waiting for animatics to be made to have visuals to go along with for more reactions with Casper if I am remembering correctly. So far I have seen that Neal Illustrator has made one for Thunder Bringer and is talking about making more for the EPIC musical. I have also been seeing that Gwendy has been livestreaming her process of making Suffering (currently live while I make this comment LOL) and think I've seen a design choice she has done for Scylla. Then even caught a WIP glimpse of Mutniy from Mircsy. All in all I know we are about to be getting some banger animatics for this BANGER of a saga!!

26:21 / 26:43 Fun little note, the ‘ woah ‘s the crew sing are the melody they sing when he’s sparing the Cyclops. They’re fully on board with him being merciless for the sake of their survival this time around.

Ill be honest, first thought when hearing suffering was that we were seeing what it was like in Ithaca. . Then odysseus comes in, and i think, ‘oh, this is a flashback’! It wasnt until one too many mentions of water that i was like 🤔 wait a minute