"goes to 3" lmao

@@Sp3llmen imagine when they drop the Master Duel update and Skill Drain gets banned. They would be fucking with everyones mind so hard, it would be hilarious.

@@FranzNF Good ending

@@FranzNF Every YuGiOh game collectively is a concurrent social experiment in gaslighting gamers.

I hope they make it so that any banned card you recycle gives you 30 instead of the normal 10 (totally not outing myself as someone who has 3 skill drain)

Eldlich degens crying rn

skills = gained 😀👍

His legacy will not be forgotten.

It is highly interesting seeing how different games handle the coding of the loops!

Dawnstar be dammed

In Pole position stuff, they destroy pole position. So i suppose it is the actual issue.

I highly doubt that they either code specific cases for all the possible interactions that cause an infinite loop or just assume that if skill drain(or some other card) is involved in one it is THE card to pop. Most likely what happens is that when the game engine starts processing the result of the interaction, it detects that a loop is going on (maybe detecting that the 'stack' of effects (not the actual chain, I mean the effects being activated in the background due to some cards being turned on and off as a result of the loop) being run is too big or some stuff is happening repeatedly) and pops one of the first effects that were activated causing the interaction. How it decides what exactly to pop, I'm not sure, at least in this case. Edit: thinking about it, assume the game 'runs' every effect in the loop at least once before popping a card. So decree activates and negates skill drain, which 'activates' jinzo, which in turn negates decree and 'activates' skill drain, thus closing the first loop if i'm not mistaken. From then on these 'activations' are being repeated again, so the game might pop the last card in the first loop to prevent that from happening. This is all guesswork tho, it makes some sense but it's not something you can exactly tell without testing more loops to see how the game behaves.

@@warcriminalyes but how is skill drain more of "the problem" than royal decree in this situation?

@@robinsimon4176 Well actually, you shouldnt be able to even activate Royal Decree at that point because you would be forming an infinite loop at that point. But i do think that rule actually changed. So Skill Drain is the problem because it is what makes the infinite loop happen, it keeps negating Jinzo, so i think thats why the SD is the problem here.

@@MsMiDC so skill drain negating jinzo is the problem. Not royal decree negating skill drain? Cuz skill drain and jinzo can be on field perfectly fine, activating royal decree started the look. Imo that makes decree the problem card. But what do i know

Yeah, they did it wrong. What a waste of time.

@@Pr1est0fDoom Snatch Steal is banned in Master Duel, you dingus.

@@Pr1est0fDoom They may even have been supposed to negate Jinzo with Veiler to to it properly.

@@MansMan42069 They talked about it in the video and used a substitute card instead. Doesn't change the fact they did it wrong

@@Honerkamp Except they didn't do it wrong. They already set up the loop they wanted. Effect Veiler would add nothing to keep the loop going. Neither would Brain Control. You're wrong and crying over nothing.

I think the cactus fighter one wouldn't do much in MD because you'd have to manually declare attacks and eventually run out of time.

Loops that lead to game end aren't stopped from what I recall.

do u remember the date of that stream?

Im interested in that too!

its simple, konami made royal decree an mst in that situation lol

I THINK the "problem card" that will be destroyed is still Skill Drain in each instance, because it is the last effect applied before the loop repeats; i.e. Jinzo summons; Jinzo effect applies, negate RD, apply SD, negate Jinzo, apply RD, negate SD, repeat. Every iteration of the loop ends on negating Skill Drain and reapplying Jinzo, so every loop should end by eliminating Skill Drain. Edit: Deleted "why u need Amplifier" bc Skill Drain needs Amplifier to not be negated by Jinzo so that it can negate Jinzo, so that Royal Decree can negate Skill Drain. I get it now.

@@Terrantular You need the Amplifier for the loop because without it, both traps will be negated by Jinzo once summoned if you have both decree and skill drain already active.

@@chemicalchocobo oof yeah, clearly don't take my word, lol. Definitely need Amplifier.

This resolution to the loop isn't new, this is how games as old as Spirit Caller(Spirit Caller has a whole ruling page on infinite loop gamestates, I imagine Nightmare Troub and maybe even the GBA games also did this though) have responded to gamestates like this, since the game is not great at pre-emptively recognizing illegal loop generating states, it just instantly pops the OLDEST card related to the loop behavior(Skill Drain is the oldest because it was sitting face-down for a while, otherwise Jinzo would explode) So if you had had Royal Decree sitting even longer it should be the one popped, or if you played Jinzo first, Jinzo, or maybe Amp(which would then eat Jinzo on effect resolution)

This resolution to the loop isn't new, this is how games as old as Spirit Caller(Spirit Caller has a whole ruling page on infinite loop gamestates, I imagine Nightmare Troub and maybe even the GBA games also did this though) have responded to gamestates like this, since the game is not great at pre-emptively recognizing illegal loop generating states, it just instantly pops the OLDEST card related to the loop behavior(Skill Drain is the oldest because it was sitting face-down for a while, otherwise Jinzo would explode)

@@syrelian I'm compareing with the real world equivelent, I remember Dinstant coder said before Master duel was even release that they change the rules in the real yugioh TCG that your now allowed to activated a card manuelly that would cause an infinite loop, and it would get rid of the problematic card, and it was in dueling book, maybe not official maybe not real life official tournament yet.

Triggerering it IS breaking it

since the atk cap on monsters are 9.999.999 IIRC I assume the LP cap is also that

With the veller

do u remember the date of that stream?

There can be only one allows one of each monster type