Would love to see the episode with Amanda Q. The hide and seek one. I don't want to say the end lol. Love the channel

Featuring the singing talent of Chief MILES O'BRIEN , the song The Minstrel Boy , , ,wish in upcoming ST-Legacy/ ST- Riker I wish they bring Marc Alimo back as good natured Gul-Macet again , this time to save Captain-Riker , , , 😸👍👍

I chortled.

Canon!

Except that Sisko was promoted to Captain.

@@annoyed707 Except that promotion happened 3 years after Dukat first met Sisko....

no one survives the Picard chair spin

Your father must have served his country greatly for him to give that praise

General Hammond of Texas under these few?

@@DaveXYZ369 He thought Hammond seemed like a real commander, but in the one episode of SG-1 he saw O'Neill and Carter didn't impress him. Don S. Davis actually served in the military, unlike most of these actors, so I hold him to a higher standard.

@@terminator3768 Three tours in Vietnam among other military accomplishments. He then spent another 27 years as a college professor.

​@@DaveXYZ369 "Has Hammond of Texas fallen in battle?" The look on Bretacs face when he said that is so great.

I agree!

The look on his face @0:47 is fantastic, Picard fully activating!

And then turning his chair away: "You are dismissed, Gul Macet."

Indeed. The strength within Picard's tone and his no nonsense approach when Gul Mecet tried to assure him was powerful. Take this message to your leaders Gul Mecet... We'll be watching. ( turns away ) AKA: Don't get Fudged Up!

Yea, he's such a perfect character. Makes me sad what this has all become in Picard. An old actor and poor writers.

And the flex of turning your back on a potential foe, demonstrating your authority and might that you do not fear the possibility of their attack.

​@@dac314 Picard was facing the window the whole time until umm.. "Dukat" was about to leave at 1:33. It was only then that he would face him. He was disrespecting him from the start!

“Never turn your back on a man you respect.” - Jake “The Snake” Roberts

But the look in his eyes says he took no pleasure in doing that. That is a great insult to a Cardassian.

anthony hopkins told a story on the silence of the lambs commentary about a producer who kept spinning in his chair while talking to him. he would spin and turn his back to hopkins over and over. when hopkins felt that enough was enough, he waited for the producer to turn his back to him one more time and left the room.

Humiliated him so much he had to have plastic surgery and change his name to Dukat.

And hence why; Tea, Earl Grey, Hot. Even he gets hit by the Frost a little, so epic is the destruction

Yeah, but hopefully Picard never do that to an actual Breen in the flesh. The Romulans say, "Never turn your back on the Breen."

​@@RegBeta In the first place, I doubt any Breen would even be on a diplomatic room with either Federation or Romulans. The Dominion appealed to their conquering side and in propositions of shared interests in said conquests, which is what drew them to converse with the Female Founder. The Federation and the Romulans would _NEVER_ have proposed those to the Breen. The Federation due to their ethics, the Romulans due to their arrogance and pride. Hell, the Breen are almost *on sight* with both superpowers!

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!

​@@warreng675I don't understand...how you can be so mistaken.

It would have been such a power move if when they were taking him away the last time, after he knew the federation was coming to get him back. if he had put up a fifth light. "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!" "No for the last time, (walks over and points to each counting) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5." The ultimate gaslight, make him wonder, how long have there been 5? Have there always been 5?

@@warreng675 I believe I did see… five lights.

As I re-watched this episode, I made it a priority to notice how much of Gul Dukat I saw in Alaimo's performance here... and I saw quite a bit. His work here formed a rather solid foundation to build on... Meanwhile, I saw very little of Quark in Armin Shimerman's portrayal of one of the very first Ferengi in "The Last Outpost..."

This is probably the 7. comment under this series of videos, trying to gain upvotes.

​@@Desa79 ...oh no! Are you the upvote police? Are you gonna charge him with upvote crimes and take him to upvote court so you can find him guilty from your upvote jury and send him to upvote prison? How funny.

@@zagnorch1336 It is remarkable how much the Ferengi were improved in DS9. Even with Rom's retconning from the early episodes (especially the pilot), they're just so much more interesting.

@@timmyhkvt they went from comically bad to comically good. Can’t stand all the half-crouched, hand waving, melodramatic portrayal in early TNG, but I did miss that they could be a legitimate threat on some occasions.

Except the war was orchestrated by the Dominion. The Cardassians were on the road to reform. They signed a formal peace treaty with Bajor. Their civilian government overthrew the military. If the Klingons hadn't been tricked into invading Cardassia, they probably would have became much more peaceful.

He probably also knows now, with hindsight, that Picard likely knew but had his hands tied. And with the Dominion being the force they were, it's possible that even his play wasn't the right one.

I like to think he was given a pardon and released.

@@Hedning1390 in my own tales of the dominion war my Admiral comes looking for Ben Maxwell cause he realizes Maxwells experience fighting the cardassians is too important to ignore. He uses his connections to get Captain Maxwell a ship and him assigned to his tactical combat wing.

I belive there is a blurb in on of the Star Trek adventures series about starfleet coming to Maxwell for some off the book missions after the war started.

I would be civil. For the same reason Picard is. Ultimately it is wise to fear war. It is wise to fear that civilians will suffer worse than trained soldiers. Picard is very much against starting wars and he knows that he could be at risk of starting one if he's not careful. This is the skill of not aggravating people with power. There's nothing Picard can seriously do to the Cardassians because of politics. And they know it.

@@darthparallax5207 And the Cardassian gambit just got shut down, there's nothing they can do about it, Macet is himself in no position to aggravate Picard, and Picard knows it. Stalemate.

@@LordZontarYep. And he’s relied on Picard’s even temper and diplomatic disposition to enable his deceit, and Picard, knowing that, just rips it all away like a veil to show just a glimmer of what will happen if they go too far. Picard doesn’t usually threaten with such venom, that’s what makes it so effective.

I would have done it at 0.25 speed. Just to add extra vitriol.

It's also a hell of a power move. Turn your back on someone you basically accused of being your enemy aggressor is not something to take lightly in any circumstance. But Picard knows just how much he has over Mucet at that moment.

Makes me wonder whether it is accurate. And whether it was there in the pre-remaster material, too.

​@@Dowlphin I remember seeing this episode and having recorded it on VHS. It was there before the remaster I remember

​@@Dowlphinthe pre-remasters are still available to buy on dvd. Paramount didn't george lucas tos and tng like Lucas did witb the ot star wars.

@@ValiantWrestling Although, it could be worse. For ot Star Wars there is the Despecialized Edition which is tolerated as fan work and artistic-educational expression. Even the following trilogy's movies have such re-edits (Phantom edits), although I am not sure whether they have the same status.

They do all that, and yet they don't add the nacelles or the rim of the saucer in the bottom of the windows.

You mean a bumbling, broken-down old geezer who everybody yells at? Yeah, THAT'S how I wanna remember the man... ugh. BTW I'm half-expecting the 2nd season of Picard to have a scene where Q, playing the part of Lucy from "Peanuts," does the old Pull-The-Football-Away-Before-Charlie-Brown-Can-Kick-It gag on Picard. Ironically, it would be the least cartoonish scene in the entire series...

@@zagnorch1336 I do not acknowledge that garbage. I do not care what the second season of that show entails.

@@andrewwaldock Sadly, I have this highly misplaced sense of duty to watch the first episode or two of each new season of every STINO show. However, I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay for it...

@@zagnorch1336 There are many things worthy of such duty: Integrity, Honor, Compassion. nutrek demonstrates none of these. Abandon ship.

@@andrewwaldock It's too late for me...save yourself while you still can.

Sir Patrick can make even a swivel chair cool!

Yup. Picard won that one. He's not gonna deal with some conniving dishonorable shitstain.

For who? I mean, I would not be in any kind of hurry to turn my back on a Cardassian I guess that Picard being willing to do so displays nerves of steel

Ranks up there with the Sisko Backhand.

I thought it was pretty good the first time I saw it. When I watched it again many years later, I appreciated how much it set the stage for Deep Space Nine.

Agreed. "The Wounded" is my pick for the most underrated episode of TNG, and is definitely one of the best in the series, and in the whole franchise.

I wonder what Stewart's, Alaimo's and Gunton's salaries were for this episode, in total. Whatever it was, it was money well spent. Gunton could have easily done his own spinoff, with his portrayal of his character.

I just caught that, too!

I wonder if they had the theme for DS9 written that early or if that rif inspired the theme

The end music cue incorporated a few notes of "The Minstrel Boy".

I know, poor Keiko never got the respect she deserved but the plot needed o'brien to suffer and the prophets to live so his temporary holiday with an engaged and amorous pah wraith was but short and his family went back onto the writers shelf unused. But better to sacrifice one O'Brien to a malevolent entity than invite her boredom and let millions suffer for it.

Was Dukat really ruined? I mean, sure, the Space Magic in DS9 got a little out of hand, but I felt like his part was one of the best parts of it.

@@RockstarRacc00n Absolutely. Even his last episode had twist after twist.

I don’t think Dukat was ruined. He was great to the end. If you want ruined, check out the lame guy in ST Picard.

@@jackcoleman5955 (Retching sound)

I can't unhear it now. :D

Love people on KZfaq 😅.. me😊

The sad thing is it wouldn't have made a difference. The Cardassian Union was fully manipulated by the Founders. The Founders sicked the Klingons on the Cardassians and were all too happy to accept Dukat's negotiations to enter the Dominion when the Cardassian Union was at its weakest.

@@3Rayfire Plus the Federation was also not in a condition for war at this point. Wolf 359 was only a couple of months before this

That's a "hindsight is 20/20" issue.

@@stars9084 They only lost 40 Starships among a fleet of thousands...

@@richardched6085 That's where things get wonky. In TOS and TNG, and even the first couple of seasons of DS9 they never stated outright but they acted like the forces of Starships at the disposal of the major powers were much smaller than what we saw later in DS9

and the cost was even greater then he thought. the Dominion war

They were wise to go with the gray and ashy flesh tones-- it gave the Cardassians more of that reptilian vibe that the showrunners were looking for...

@@zagnorch1336 and the bigger neck ridges

@@KilliK69 It's still remarkable that the Cardassians have those necks because Marc Alaimo has such a long neck here and they built the makeup around it.

I suppose we can assume the Cardassians could have different races, similar to humans with the diversity of Asians, Latinos, Caucasians, etc.

Also good they changed the uniform. the brown plastic chest piece looks like something out of the dollar store.

The Federation: Wow, look at these guys! Kardassia: Yes, Federation, look at those guys...

It's amazing how close that war was. Can't believe I waited 12 years to start watching DS9. I get why Trekkies say its the best series now.

yet the federation failed in this. the Cardassian would keep trying even to the point of makign a trap to catch Picard and besides gettign them to back down and finger wag they did NOTHING

No, you are not.

I just heard a variation on "Minstrel Boy".

​@@Hiraghmthat was definitely there as well

I didn’t until you mentioned it and now I’m like 🤯

I thought the same thing… why I came to the comments

Came to say the same thing! Very cool.

Good. I thought it just my imagination

2:45 sounds similar to the ds9 theme.

Big missed opportunity there. He and Sisko would get along swimmingly. "Heh! Prickhard, amirite?"🥃🥃

Makes you wonder what Starfleet counselors actually DO. There was the end of the "Geordi brainwash" video. There was Troi being a counselor without her powers. Barclay for a little. But really, everyone else seems to have been told to "tough it out" or something.

Picard was empathic enough to understand the ghosts who haunted Maxwell, while still disagreeing with his methods.

Picard realised he was right, and tactically, Maxwell won. Even if the Enterprise fired everything she's got, they won't destroy the Phoenix in a single salvo, while the Phoenix will definitely 1-shot that freighter. Without O'Brien, what Picard could have done is concede this to Macet. And ask if he may board the freighter. "Surely that's OK if you have nothing to hide?"

It's one of the best last minute twists put to TV. It immediately raises multiple questions and muddies the whole situation. Maxwell's character is partially redeemed. The truth will never be known, all to preserve a tenuous peace (one that will not last in Deep Space Nine).

@@Pan_Z I mean, I don’t take the DS9 plotline very seriously, as it just turned into overblown space opera…but even assuming I did: how do you connect THIS particular infraction by Maxwell with THAT particular outcome, where the Cardassians suddenly switch sides to the Dominion? And if your answer is that it goes to show that Maxwell was right that the Cardassians couldn’t be trusted, and are a warmongering species bent on conquest, do you really think Picard doesn’t already accept that? THAT wasn’t why he stopped Maxwell, and that wasn’t why he didn’t board the ship. The peace from the treaty, as he said, was “in the interests of both parties”. That isn’t to say it would ALWAYS be in the interests of either party, or that he implicitly trusted the Cardassians to abide by its terms. In fact, (a) you’ll see he keeps the Cardassians at arms length, and (b) in Chain of Command, he literally violated the spirit of the treaty by going on an away mission deep inside Cardassian territory to destroy Cardassian biogenic weapons…and endured torture by the Cardassians. It was simply a matter of what was convenient for the Federation AT THAT TIME. That’s basically how treaties work in real life, not by the mythologies we create around them generations after the fact. Now, consider the logical conclusion if we follow Maxwell’s reasoning and execution: does that mean you don’t stop attacking the Cardassians until you’ve completely subjugated them? Do you imagine they might have something to say or do in response? Do you think the Federation has the firepower to carry out a complete conquest and occupation of the Cardassian Empire? Not defeat, mind you…per Maxwell, that wouldn’t be enough, because that would mean another treaty you can’t trust them with respecting. But a complete conquest and occupation. And the answer should be obvious: even if the Federation had the stomach for that kind of slaughter and conquest, they still wouldn’t have had the resources and manpower necessary. So we’re back at respecting and enforcing the existing treaty with the Cardassians - FOR NOW. Which Picard did admirably, and Maxwell, couldn’t see through his thirst for revenge.

Ah yes, one of those STINO shows: Star Trek In Name Only.

Tell me you didnt even watch the show without telling me you didnt watch the show

@@lovipoekimo176 I watched the show. It was crap.

@@lovipoekimo176 As did I, and it was shit

Technically speaking, the Picard we have now is the old(er) one

I noticed it, too, and was curious if that was in the original episode. I went back to my DVD copies and there ARE reflections there... but maybe it's a matter of the quality being different and I just can't tell properly, but it looks like they changed the direction of the reflection in the blu-ray version. In the original, they seem to be moving more right to left as if it was being viewed from a different angle (which MIGHT make sense, since the reflection of the chair is of its backside), whereas here they almost seem like direct continuations of the moving stars so they're moving from the part closest to Macet and then towards the window. Can't say which is more accurate for this shot, but frankly the fact that they cared enough to try to put it in at all OR change it to what they felt would have been more accurate is impressive regardless.

@@AT4W I had assumed it was a mistake tbh. That the video effect they'd added to the black windows was accidentally added to the black tabletop as well.

Picard!!!!!

@@dainco08 headphone users know

The problem with that comparison is that Maxwell was in full control of his actions and faculties. Picard was not.

@@runetide This is true, but instead of giving Picard a chance to redeem himself by sharing his knowledge of the Borg - I mean after all, in First Contact he was the only person who knew how to destroy that Borg Cube heading for Earth - They order him to stand down. But yes, you are perfectly correct to point out that Maxwell was in full control.

@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 They ordered him to stand down, because they didn't want his trauma to make him a risk factor in the battle. Admiral Hayes considered Picard to be, "an unstable element to a critical situation." He was right. Even though it was because of Picard that the cube was destroyed, he was also determined to force his crew to keep fighting the Borg, once they started assimilating the Enterprise. Let me remind you how far the Borg got. They had assimilated everything from Deck 5 downward, leaving only four decks left, including the Bridge. They had adapted to every modulation of the crew's weapons. What did Picard do? Tell his crew to keep fighting, hand to hand if they had to. There was no way for the remaining crewmembers to win, yet Picard refused to acknowledge that it was a losing battle. It took Lily calling him out to force him to realize it was time to stop fighting, and to go with Worf's suggestion to blow up the ship to stop the Borg. Yes, that ended up not being necessary, but there was no way for Picard to know that Data would come through and destroy the Queen.

@@DarkXaven You do have a point there. I mean now that you mention it, Picard did get pretty bloodthirsty in First Contact. First it seemed benign like ordering his crew to kill their own shipmates instead of "Hey maybe we can subdue or avoid them somehow just long enough to bring them back like we did Picard", since that could be excused for pragmatism. But then he lured those Borg drones into the holodeck and that black lady said he was "enjoying" murdering them. And then he orders Worf and other crew to basically fight to the death in a hopeless battle. So yeah, you're right. My memory's really got hazy, my bad.

@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 That would have been unrealistic. There wasn't enough time to save the assimilated crew and they were in a crisis situation trying to prevent the Borg from rewriting the time line. Better to DIE than become a Borg drone dude.

I'm currently at this point in my DS9 rewatch, and this notion entertains me greatly. Thank you

They should have let him (Maxwell) out.

"Attention to all Cardassian, Dominion, and all enemies of the Federation: *Run* ."

If I were Maxwell, my response would be, "My cell is quite comfortable, thank you. Let me know when you sign another peace treaty; we're short on bumwad around here"

"Here's the star trek equivalent of Stinger Missiles. Go nuts"

Yup, with hundreds of ships and thousands of pew pew pews!

With lots of crying and needless gore.

No you just assume that from needless hate of the new stuff

@@jameswg13 I don't hate the new trek. It simply doesn't interest me. Bravo to you if you enjoy it. That's great. Go for it. But for me, the new interpretations of Star Trek lack the elements I like. The older series however provide me with the entertainment I enjoy.

@@jameswg13 needless hate? Yeah, how dare I hate modern Star Trek for spitting on Gene Roddenberry's original vision by turning it into Star Wars. Amazing how idiots like you simply fault me for not liking something without bringing up points to defend it in any way.

JUSTICE FOR MAXWELL!!!!! GOOD CAPTAIN

I thought it was more powerful. I.e. "We'll be watching what actually happens, not your lips moving, because we both know you're a lying snake."

​@@szahmad2416 I always thought this scene was kind of hypocritical. Which side had a rogue captain commit mass murder again?

@@bobchipman4473 who was being duly punished for his violation of the treaty. But the Cardassian military doesn't get off the hook because they got caught preparing a new, unprovoked war against the Federation, also in violation of the treaty.

@@szahmad2416 I dunno, I feel this incident provides quite alot of retroactive justification for being prepared. Especially since this ended up happening a second time with the Defiant only a couple of years later. The Federation death toll is 0. The Cardassian death toll is over 600.

@@bobchipman4473 I looked it up very quickly. Among other things, in the episode Ro Laren, the Cardassians destroyed a Federation colony on Solarion IV along the border and tried to pin it on the Bajorans. So the casualty count is much higher for the Federation. But more to the point, and zooming out for a minute, there is a clearly demarcated demilitarized zone between the two powers, as part of the treaty...for reasons which should be obvious. Introducing certain weapons in that area or military equipment would be a clear act of war - unless the other side arms its own side, there would be absolutely no resistance to an invasion and loss of life. And if the Federation were to arm along the border in response, there would be a massive escalation of tensions, because of which a single small incident would set off a war...the avoiding of which is the whole point of having a treaty. You can't escape that point by showing a casualty counter. The Cardassians would have only themselves to blame for clearly violating the treaty and amassing weapons and personnel on the border in a way that the anyone would find threatening or provocative. Again, this doesn't quite justify Maxwell's actions...at least, without Maxwell providing proof and thereby an irrefutable causus belli (even so, the right action would be to take it up with his superiors, or if they refused to hear him, go public). But it does make Picard's words and actions powerful and morally on the right side.

All those spoonheads look alike

@@easygrin1127 in the beta canon novels they are actually cousins Dukat and Macet. Identical ones at that it’s why Macet has facial hair and wears that uniform to differentiate between him and his cousin

@@jordanreed3675 Because even Macet doesn't like Dukat.

In our war with the Communists the West has not always been wise restrained ethical or any of the admiral traits we base inspiring fictional characters on. But much like the enemies in Star Trek....the Chinese are indeed a threat and are better treated as rivals to respect than as allies to trust. Peace is essential to value. Naiveté is not. Our view of our enemy has evolved though. It is particularly good that the caricature of Klingons is something we are moved past. The Cardassians? The Borg? Now those are other matters entirely. Later we see the Ferengi as more than perceptive enough to teach us things about ourselves we didn't know before. But you still would not bet on a Borg Cube being friendly.

I really like your ideas for modern shows lol

Felt the same!

I always wondered about that also.

I would love if in ST PIC Season 2 they revisited all the things Picard could have fixed or not and see how it affects the timeline. All hail the Mintaka III Empire!