Landing Q500 Racers prepares you very well for dead stick approaches of sport jets. Just fly and land it like a heavy sale plane. Keep it mooving. Don't make it slow at any time. I always belly-land with no flaps in this situations. Sport jets handle that very well. Just saved a Mini Avanti this way.

I've been instructing for years, and let me tell you that gentleman who helped you is a great teacher. Even when you got into trouble, he spoke calmly and clearly and even tried to take some stress away that you were feeling. You got it too slow and slammed it on. Now you know what that looks like and feels like. You still made it almost where you needed to be. Next time you will do better. Just remember, even though you were practicing up high, the turbine is still spinning enough to change the glide. You will get it next time!!

“Full flap”?! With a flame out?…mmmmm

the best training for powered flight is slope soaring .gliding teaches you to watch the plane and glide down rather than rely on power

Thanks for sharing. It was a good lesson learned. I always practice dead stick landings using my trainer to stay Sharp.

Nice video - sh*t happens i guess some lessons need to be learned the hard way happens to anyone (: looking forward to the ranger rebuild 🔥

I started out with a BVM Ultra Bandit. It's crazy fast but flies great. Wouldn''t recommend as first jet for most people but I jumped in all the way! Then i got the Carf J10, love it!

Sorry for the crash, but like a LOT your conclusions. Agree with you, another Ranger and keep learning. You got a new suscriber from SPAIN!

You learn these skills on a foamy, not a $10,000 turbine. Never do this again until you've done it 100 times in a foamy.

You're a braver man than I for pacticing real deadsticks in a plane like that. As always great content, enjoyed the video!

I had a real flame out landing with my Ranger about 2 months ago, luckily i was in a high speed climb. I managed to get the nose down quickly after the shutdown and did not have auto restart enabled on the k-102... so i was on the wrong end of the field too high and didnt want to force a downwind landing at mach 3 or do a tight spiraling decent. Keeping the nose down the whole time making long gentle turns. The gear didnt come down until i was making my base to final turn to keep the airframe as clean as possible. Flaps were modulated during my final based on how i felt the airplane was responding to input at low airspeed and altitude which was diminishing quickly. Luckily i managed to get it down... but by the time the wheels were coming down you know you got 1 shot at landing and panic or second thoughts should not be considered, just gotta stay calm and fly the jet. Best advise i can give is... come up with a plan and flight path in your head and dont deviate. While you are flying i know alot of things are going on... but always keep in the back of our mind, Whats my next move if i lose the engine in my current situation regarding airspeed and altitude and wind dirrection? Things happen fast with no thrust...... Hopefully you are back up and going soon i enjoy this channel.

Nice video, trying to learn about deadstick landings

Great flying indeed, great club also. Kris Barton has skills 😎

Aviate, navigate, communicate. Job #1 is to avoid stalling, meaning judicious trade-off of altitude to maintain speed & attitude - glider experience helps. Re-evaluate your plan as you descend as the plane's condition changes, staying several seconds ahead of your plane. And then communicate, but you are pilot-in-command, the trainer's advice is just that. Nobody got hurt and damage was limited to just the plane, and that's a good outcome in my book.

I can’t imagine how much practice goes into this. I’ve crashed a drone twice and it has several safety Nannie’s

Great video guys, following your channel. Too bad about the jet, it was flying beautifull. Looking forward to the rebuild and your next flights. Also have one question that i wanted to ask and that is how long are the flight times you were getting on this jet ? Just started flying myself but the dream is to get a turbine jet somewhere in the medium term future :-)

I have had two flame outs with two jets with a total of 28 flights so it will happen if you fly turbines. My Carf J10 had an engine failure and landed in a large ditch. Broke the fuse almost in half. Repaired and flies great. That fuse is fixable, mine was much worse. I couldn't swing spending $2200 on another fuse so fixed for around $200 including paint.

I've been in this hobby a long time and have mostly been flying giant scale, warbirds, and 3D and I have to tell you that wasn't the smartest of decisions. There is really no good reason to dead stick on purpose. Every dead stick is different. Altitude, airspeed, wind direction, etc. so practicing them makes little sense to me. Most of my large scale props have EME starters on them and even with that I've only "shut it down" a couple of times and that was with the planes in a landing position to begin with. It's just makes no sense, especially on a plane that you don't know to well. It's funny because it can take a season or two of active flying to actually ring out all that a plane can give me so I certainly don't want to put the plane in jeopardy before I know everything there is to know about the model's performance, bad habits, etc. Just my two cents.

good on you for owning it❤

Full flap 🤔. On my jets full flaps is to slow the jet if it is comming in to hot so full flaps on dead stick not going to end well . If you still learning leaving landing so late in the flight is not an good idea .

WoW !! Great looking plane .... after thinking about what I would have done and watching this over and over, I think I would have rather have had the more speed issue then dumping the flaps to full causing a major disruption over the wing witch gave the stall. We all can say what we would have done but that's after the fact. She was a sweet jet, but the next one will be even sweeter !!!

pilot error is always a painful pill to swallow. your analysis is consistent with the video evidence. re flaps: the decision to use flaps Should be an Informed one. flaps make Extra drag. during a glide to the ground there is no energy available, to 'compensate' for the resultant airspeed reduction from that drag. flaps make more inboard-located lift. such lift is inherently not good. because, inboard-located lift partially un-loads the ailerons.! d

I subbed the channel keep up the good content!

that was great !!!

With so much space, no excuse.

That was rough! Can't wait to see her rebuilt.

Sorry to see the Ranger crashed. i look forward to Ranger 2.0

I’ve never flown a turbine or an EDF… but correct me if I am wrong: At idle, there isn’t any thrust to speak of… certainly not enough to sustain airspeed above stall. If that premise is true, why make the commitment to touchdown with a flameout? Why not just reduce to idle, and preserve the option to abort… recognizing there is a bit of spool up time required? Abort if you don’t like the approach… and in this manner, you define and learn what that approach looks like. Question: Low speed warnings… are those GPS based ground speed, or is there a pitot tube for actual airspeed?

Try rolling landing the next time. Take off and landing from the start and repeat for 10-20 times in one full tank of fuel!

This is all the things I don’t like about flying clubs. Everybody’s an expert until it’s their turn to fly. To many people telling you what to do ! Just shut and fly the plane. !!! GGGGG !

Learning is hard and expensive with jets

As the LSO would say….power, power. What’s this practice with zero thrust business. From the takeoff your model seems heavy and doesn’t want to fly easily off the deck.

Sorry but that was absolutely stupid, practicing the dead stick (if your comfortable with that) is a great idea, but the second he started to tell you to do a 360 then a S turn and then flaps and gear down when you’re stalling was just irresponsible. Flaps are going to slow you down, 1st notch might help increase lift but full flaps is going to slow you down. Same with putting the gear down. As soon as you shut it down, you should have immediately dropped the nose and pointed it to the end of the runway and established your approach. And then just drop your gear at the last second. Or even leave them up, control horns are replaceable and cheap. But a dead stick is not the time to be doing maneuvers and throwing in flaps and dropping the gear.

Turban 👳

I know you think it helps but it so doesn't , the telemetry squawking away takes valuable brain computing power away listening to it ! I never have telemetry on when I am instructing or flying a maiden,... some times less truly IS more ,.... a timer preferably on a friends stopwatch is all you need for the first few flights .... so sorry to see this ! rebuild and go again ! xxxx Rachael jet pilot from the UK ;-)

Full flaps and full gear? That was your problem. The model was placed in a difficult scenario due to suddenly being properly committed to a dead stick landing. That's okay in a way as it can happen at any point. However the flying characteristics were entirely manageable when clean and gliding and you would have been better to have come in clean and committed to a gear up landing. The cost of some paintwork(potentially) versus the writing off of the model is an easy equation. Full flaps and full gear instantly and obviously created a nose-up trim, a loss of airspeed, and a high sink rate. The model was in the beginnings of a deep stall when it hit the ground. There was no need to attempt to land in front of the pits. A clean gliding approach would have been easy on such an enormous field. All the above is not intended as a criticism, more a critique. We have all made mistakes and paid the price. Perhaps a little more controversially........ As a long time RC Glider flyer I think there is a tendency that is more prevalent amongst power and Jet pilots to create complication. They have so many channels of gear, smoke, telemetry, lights, voice reports etc. that when a stress situation occurs it all gets a bit foggy. There is also a tendency or need(and this includes glider pilots also) to need to land "right there"! If they have too little speed they try to stretch it, if they have too much they dump it down. Both scenarios usually result in a high chance of damage. There's NOTHING wrong with a long walk to get your undamaged model back!

At the ages we are Now I find it’s easier. To fly the airplane to he ground & land it out in front of me . This was absolutely your fault & you owned up to it.

Why on earth would you do that?

Sorry about your model. Crashing is never fun and always hurts our confidence for a while.

run out of fuel ?

You got it too slow

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Sorry about that. Superstition..but dont ever say 'one more flight'.

basic pilot error, should go back to something easier to fly and learn how to handle a plane.

He is learning to fly with a jet??

was a predictable crash ..such a bad pilot ..that what happen ..its not a glider dude ..keep the speed