one of the silliest parts of Framework is that their customers believe in their mission so much that they won't buy the product immediately

You don't actually have to spend a ton. I bought their "factory seconds" refurb of 11th gen intel. It's actually cheap for what you get. Granted, I was transfering ram and m.2 drive. But still. And i haven't bought any adaptors yet...

@@76mmGMCNot everybody needs to upgrade that frequently. I just ordered a 13 this week but only because my Haswell chip Dell that I bought used is still running Win 8.1 and I don’t want to bother with the workaround install for an unsupported cpu. It actually still worked fine, just wouldn’t install new software right and no more updates. 🤷‍♂️ The point you make about, essentially, putting your money where your mouth is, is why I ultimately bought one. My phone does what I need or I could borrow my wife’s laptop for the other .5% of the time. If I hadn’t migrated to iOS right before Samsung and Google announced 7 year security support, I’d probably have gotten a Lapdock and just run Dex. As a counterpoint, I’d bring up that since the stated purpose, on at least some level, of Framework is to reduce waste by allowing user repair and upgradability, you’ve kind of hit the nail on the head. I suspect that some of Framework’s biggest headwinds, apart from initial adoption, will be their self stated goal of working against planned obsolescence. Will there be new, fancy cases? Colors? The option for exotic materials? What if something comes along that’s industry disrupting but won’t integrate well with some core aspect of their upgradable design? 🤷‍♂️ Sorry, point and counterpoint discussions regarding the actual application of industry and design are exciting for me, you found my kink. Next chapter of the book is your turn. 🤣

@@76mmGMC That's very good! I don't need a laptop so a couple of old ThinkPads are overkill if anything but supporting a good company is still tempting.

@@SquintyGears For sure, and the DIY is good in a big city where there are deals on generic components.

Sadly the SD card reader isn't.

Yes

Yeah this is very valid criticism. Music just needs turning down a little.

For me those are Framework, Prusa3D and Valve at the moment. (Un)fortunately my ageing ThinkPad e585 is still holding up great, original battery and all, so out of those 3 I have not yet 'thrown money' at Framework yet. Which I will once said machine needs replacement or perhaps as an upgrade to my desktop, with a Framework 16 based build. This only if I find a good purpose for my old PC, which I plan to place in a DIY racing rig once I have the budget for it. A friend at my studies has a Framework 13, initially I hated the keyboard but I don't mind it now, the hardware is really cool and well-built.

Hold up. How do you know they'll use camm2?

I hope we can see it soon, I really wanna see it, with or without oled would be just fine, just imagine the freedom, ARM, LINUX, Repairable, Upgradeable, well kind a wonder about the RAM in ARM version tho 😅

Better yet they should combine their design teams with fairphone and make a framework fairphone or something. I'm sure it would be great!

​@@michaelpapadopoulos6054I'm sure that they will work with them in some capacity, since they already have expertise in making a modular phone, but since it's only available in Europe, that's only half the battle.

I would freaking love that. I'm waiting for a second generation graphics card upgrade to the 16 as I can't afford a ~ $3000 gaming laptop which performs similar to a $1200-$1500 gaming laptop right now. I do so badly and want to own that framework 16 but I can't justify that much price considering the amount of time I actually can game in my adult life.

^^^ THIS ^^^

Same here. I really am not interested in a laptop that doesn't have conectivity I will use regularly

Where does the name come from?

​@@JoelRPutnam The phrase "dogfooding" is short for "eating your own dog food", which refers to the practice of someone using the products or services they develop/build. I'm not actually sure of the origin of the phrase, though.

​@@Daniel15au The implication is a pet food manufacturer eating their products in testing. I don't know if there was ever such an instance or if it's essentially folklore. The term was commonplace in the software industry when I joined Microsoft in 1990 out of college.

AWB doing AWB things.

Glass track pad too

​@@AeRiaL_ the one it comes with is already a glass trackpad.

@@Daniel15au you're right, I was thinking of a Sensel trackpad at the same time. I forgot it was glass already.

Thinkpad style?

Is the tradeoff of using expensive uncommon modules worth the ram speed increase?

Please come to panama!

@@smeegle it's only expensive and uncommon at the moment, once/if other's embrace it, it will make it cheaper and more common, simple supply and demand my dude

​@@smeeglewhy not? This is Framework! You want to halt the humanity technology progression!? Besides, when Lpcamm 2 comes out, I'm sure it cost the same

Ну, просто попроси друзей в США купить и переслать?

For that, you need an internal USB hub. And then loose one or more of USB 3/4 speeds, type C alt modes, or PD charging. There is no fitting all-in one chip available that would work. Especially with when expecting to charge the FW 16 with 180-240W.

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a trooper 🫡

fr tho ❤

Not everyone needs or wants a big laptop, you know

i think that might just be you lol

Yeah, and its connected over usb-c so they should be able to make sure its up to spec before production. Strange video, a SD-card reader feels like something a high schooler could design in a week.

@@karlkarlsson9699 Though it's also in a very limited space. Only the ethernet module extends outside the laptop

i guess this really is just a SD card reader after all. Womp womp womp.

It's UHS-II compatible. That alone is worth it. True UHS-II speeds over USB4 in the world's TIGHTEST mechanical package, without overheating. If you think that's "simple", you don't understand how hard manufacturing is. The design is easy enough, but to manufacture it reliably enough for mass production as a first party accessory takes WAY more time. This isn't a hobbyist hack. There are FCC and UL requirements that have to be satisfied here, too.

@@spdcrzy sorry but 300MB/s is nothing impressive.

But don't forget to define your terms! Not everyone knows what "tooling" means