Here is the easiest way to make sense of Tenet: understand that the siege at the Kiev opera *AND* the final battle in Siberia are both taking place on the same day ("the 14th"). Sir Michael Caine confirms that when he tells the Protagonist that satellites detected a big explosion in Siberia on the same day as the Kiev siege. So the movie starts on the 14th, the Protagonists continues travelling forward in time until the Tallin car chase, then starts travelling inverted on the icebreaker until the 14th, whereupon he reverts and fights the Bad Guys in Siberia. Which means two things: (1) when he wakes up after his torture he is on an icebreaker that is *also* taking an inverted version of himself "back" to the final battle and (2) everyone that the Protagonist meets who is working for Tenet (CIA-dude, Lady arms-dealer, Sir Michael Caine, Neil, Ives, etc) already knows that they have won, precisely because from THEIR PoV the Siberia battle has already been fought.

The time code for Tenet is 32:23, a palindrome, very nice

About Tenet, for those who want to see the airport, highway and Stalsk events happening at the same time, I create simple animations to show it. Overall, I liked Tenet a lot, but I had the feeling that Nolan was complicating things just to show how complicated movie he can make.

It’s hard to believe it’s only their 4th episode they seem like they’ve been doing it for years

Having a dump in the tenet universe must be the worst experience imaginable

'His ancestors were from the past' Isn't that where all ancestors are from

Since last episode me and my best friend checked out Aunty Donna and I just want to say thank you, probably the funniest thing on Netflix rn

Hey James and Maso! Fact check: The Australian release of Spider-Man: Miles Morales is actually called Spider-Man: Kilometers Morales. I used to think this pod had some journalistic integrity, but I've lost faith in you after such a flagrant mistake. Unsubscribing.

Entropy being reversed means that inverted objects don't move from higher energy to lower energy (like a ball dropping due to gravity, losing potential energy), they move from low energy to high energy. Now, you could ask why things don't constantly fall upwards, but it does help you understand why something like an explosion leads to freezing. How inversion works in the movie makes sense for where they use it, but it doesn't make sense where they don't. Really cool idea. Very similar to time moving in reverse, but it's more the mechanism that we know time is moving forward. Edit: I am saying that the increase of entropy is a good measure of time moving forward.

Tenet was legitimately incredible. I didn’t get it all on the first go, but it was absolutely incredible.

I loved Tenet. I definitely understand the complaints about the audio but I personally heard pretty much everything.

I think that wall he was training with to reverse shoot was from that end battle. I loved this movie it was blowing my mind.

Tenet? What is this, a bloody “old classic films” episode?

I was here back when the podcast was only 16 minutes long!

The rock face with all the bullets is from the final battle, which takes place before he meets the scientist and sees the rock face.

Nothing in this movie approaches the time-travelling logic of Bill & Ted Face The Music, in particular the scene where they are being chased around the mansion by their "future uses" who - obviously - know exactly which rooms the two boys had run to because, err, they only had to remember where they went. Queue the next scene, where Bill & Tell are running full-throttle through the mansion while wearing plastic buckets on their head. Comic. Gold.

How much can you podcast on average?

Surely a backwards gun would go "gnab?"

Still can't believe how divisive this movie was. I LOVED it and still love it. I think it comes down to whether or not you're on board for reverse entropy or not. James isn't on board and therefore doesn't like it. I was on board and loved it

Wanted to watch Tenet at home so I could come back to listen to this. Was... ok

50:47 you guys just described the plot of tenet, after the backwards hostage situation the rest of the movie travels backwards, and it shows the first half of the movie from a different perspective. They did what you said they should've done

The Tenet discussion was spot on, really had me laughing, saw it at release here in the UK and remember thinking pretty the same thing, whilst watching I was with it all the way but post movie/cinema trying to work out it all out. I realised everything I thought I had worked out just threw up more questions, saw it in IMAX and sound wise the important info I needed I couldn't hear but Hans Zimmer's thumping score mangled my fucking ears and I'm an old school Metal fan and felt it was too loud, only Christopher Nolan and his IMAX obsession could make a metal fan think music was too loud.

I feel like the only real solution for Black Panther is to have it be Shuri. Not that it makes it any easier on the actors, but just from a logistical standpoint doesn't it seem like thats the clearest path?

Glad you guys finally got to see and talk about Tuh-nett. The idea of a 50:50 forwards/backwards film also does sound like an interesting concept

I'd love a Taika Waititi directed TMNT movie

I feel like Nolan has a fascination with time. Off the top Interstellar, Momento, Inception, and this all have elements of time in them.

I was so bored in this movie but I jumped up when the movie started going backwards at the halfway point cos I also thought we were going to go all the way back to the beginning. And then I was disappointed again

RobackBack'n'Back, was paid to be in the movie, un-received the script, then had no idea the project existed.

Nolan doesn't seem to have ever really been an actor's director. Considering he drowns out most of the dialogue going back to Dark Knight Rises and trying to understand anything Bane said in the original cut. It does kind of tell you where he places the actors in the grand scheme of his films. It's all about crazy sound design and if you can't hear the actors they don't matter anyway.

For me, Tenet is Nolan at his best and worst, and the things that make the movie incredible also tend to undermine it. It's a paradox in and of itself. Because the core concepts of the movie are so intrinsically woven into the cinematography, it can make it both seamless and bafflingly difficult to grasp while watching (I defy you to not be both enthralled and perplexed by precisely what you're seeing during the Stalsk-12 sequences). It also works against it such that the moments that should be absolutely gut-wrenching, like the final moments with Niel, stumble in the moment.

Ace work from Collings as usual.

AVP: Requiem was shot so dark that you often couldn't see what was happening on screen, now that was a terrible movie anyway, but people also did *specifically* complain that you couldn't see what was happening. That's not because audiences are "too conservative" when it comes to being able to see what's on the screen.

Here 3 years later after seeing the sequel trailer. Cant wait to see Elevenet!

The reason the explosion freezes the protagonist is that he is inverted, thus, so is the worlds when he inverts himself. When you invert entropy, the opposite occurs. Calm to chaos becomes chaos to calm. If a bullet is dropped, you create disorder, inverted it will seemingly rewind back to the point of max potential energy in the palm. I think the explosions entropy is reversed so that the fire rather than produces heat, begins to freeze the car.

James wants to watch ‘Prey’ in Cherokee but can’t abide Mads Mikkelson unraveling over Finnish subtitles. 😂

“Print out the script before seeing tenet”

For me, the sound design didn't bother me because I didn't need it to follow the plot, and when I found I did need it, I could understand it

I don’t know why… but in Tenet… every time I hear the line “we live in a twilight world”… I expected to hear “I’m a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world” as a response… oh well… opportunity missed

I remember when people got on JJ Abhrams because he was using too many lens flares, so Nolan can't complain.

I'm hoping for a Defenders of the Earth style running joke now where any mention of the Scorpion King is accompanied by Arnold Vosloo's "NOOOOOOOO!" from The Mummy Returns. Make it happen.

Woah Maso has an outside job apart from his inside job? He’s just like us!

W.R.T. James' question as to how the bullets got into that wall, well, the answer is obvious: the inverted bullets were put into that wall when the Protagonist pressed the trigger of the inverted gun (I'm assuming that a "normal" gun can't fire "inverted" bullets, just like a "normal" person can't breathe "inverted" oxygen). So from the PoV of the GUN and the BULLETS then those bullets went into that wall at that precise moment, and from that moment on they travelled backwards in time inside the wall. From the Protagonists PoV that is also the precise moment the bullets, err, left the wall and went into the gun. But from the perspective of the gun and the bullets they don't care what he thinks of the situation.

I was watching old honest trailers videos last night and was very entertained when I heard mr. Sunday’s voice as the ‘Australian’ in the into the spider verse honest trailer

My inverted self is back here from the future after finally seeing the movie. It's alright

- the Indian lady wasn’t selling inverted arms, just arms that Sator then inverted. - inverted bullets are only really useful to inverted people. - the explosions freezing or whatevs wasn’t because the inverted explosions were freezing, it was inverted explosions interacting with non-inverted matter... or vice versa... or something? I didn’t have any issues with the sound, but it was just hard to follow... it was much easier to understand the second time, but still a little confusing. but I actually have a feeling that it all makes perfect sense to someone who understands it, like there aren’t any error or gaps in logic.

Tenet is OK, if you are alright with understanding about 60% of what is happening on screen at any given time.

Knock knock Who's there? Audience engagement Audience engagement who? It's just me, just my usual audience engagement comment...hi 👋

I'm sick of people complaining about the sound design. I'm okay with not picking every word. In real life we often don't pick it, there's noise everywhere. In Tenet the "noise" is an awesome soundtrack. I loved Tenet tbh, I saw it 2x in the movie theatre. I have a Sator square tattooed on my arm because of this movie.

In the US, we watch Christmas movies around Christmas. What do you guys watch on Boxing Day? Rocky? The Creed movies perhaps?

Just watched Tenet at home, and came back here. I guess you guys really couldn't hear a thing huh XD

YES!! WE *NEED* A LIVE ACTION TREASURE PLANET!!!

I was lucky (brave?) enough to see Tenet at cinemas and the sound really bothered me. I hadn't really had a problem with his other movies, but for this one i REALLY struggled to understand what the funk they were saying! Which is a shame because everything else about the film was quite good.

An action horror Turok would be amazing.

A gun with inverted bullets is no use to someone that's not inverted.

This podcast has a habit of just glazing over incredible ideas hahaha. Mikkleson as Dr Doom is an incredible idea. I love these guys haha

Something that most people do not know about Tenet is that initially it was called Blue Harvest.

Maso: I still think its better than interstellar though because its not as sad James under his breath: but i like interstellar :(

Did you know that the child in Tenet is supposed to be Robert Pattinson? Hope your mind is blown.

I'm still waiting for the "Avatar the last Airbender" episode 😪

I'm not telling you what to do but I definitely found New Mutants on the high seas, mateys

Jackie Gleason (aka Smokey from Smokey and the Bandit) would threaten to send Alice to the moon! Art Carney (not Garfunkel) was his goofy sidekick Ed. I know you don't care though.

I would be THRILLED if they did a Dr. Aphra series. She's such a fun character. And as long as the writers do a good job of translating her and she's written as well as her comics I think she would be a much better example of a "strong female lead" than we've gotten in some... other Disney era content

50:00 THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE!! I turned to my friend and said: if they redo the whole movie backwards it's gonna blow my fucking mind! And then it didn't and sucked til the end :(

You know what they do? Bring back Killmonger, he has a change of heart and everything or gets a compromise, becomes the new black panther.

Just in time for it to leave theaters!

Just watched tenet so I can finally watch this Maybe I’m spoiled with subtitles But I fucking loved it

Why did they emphasize that an inverted bullet would hurt hella bad? Wouldn’t it hurt just as much as a normal bullet? In other words, not worth pointing out.

Robert pattinson is the girls son he had to die his hair for the movie and kids named Maximilien so the last 4 letters in his name backwords spells Neil which is Robert Pattinsons characters name also he said that his journey together has ended meanwhile JDWs journey was just beginning and next scene they show JDW talking to the blonde lady

Just watched it there I could here everything no problem with the sound just couldn’t understand what was going on though 😂

This changed from a 16 minute video about Heart of Ice to a podcast episode while I slept. Very scary.

Can/Do women eat while in labor? 18+ hours is a long time. I doubt food is on their mind but I'm sure they get hungry. Why did you guys make me think about this?

James, James, James, you most certainly did NOT like this more than the movie Insomnia.

I time travelled Tenet style to respond with "What about Henry Cavill in the Highlander?"

... I didn't know there was a Turok comic, I only ever knew about the video games... feel kinda dumb now cause I really liked those games when I was younger

It's over 16 minutes!

It was awesome, but I struggled to describe it afterwards 😂

Unfortunately the stupidest part of Tenet is that everything has already happened. The Protagonist is playing his part in the distant future to orchestrate things in the present so that they play out exactly as they ALREADY HAVE for him. There's no gamble, no uncertainty, no doubt of the outcome at any point. The Protagonist has already lived through all of this and what's done is done. Nothing can or will ever change this period of time to create any other outcome. When seen from the Protagonist's POV from the future, nobody in this story has any choice or free will at any point. Even he has no free will - he MUST initiate the inverted events that will cause this past to play out (such as founding Tenet). Once you understand this overriding principle, go watch the film again from this perspective and see how pointless the entire story is. The entire gravitas of everyone's role is gone, and all their choices and actions ultimately meaningless. They could've just as easily stayed in bed all day, because THAT would've been the course of action that was already preset. And this is exactly why time-travel stories are ultimately dumb as fuck. Except Endgame and its splintering alternate realities theory. There you can simultaneously have time travel AND free will, making Endgame's theory the only possible choice there is, because it's the only one that IS a choice.

Hey James now that we know it’s hitting HBO Max the same day as theaters on Christmas (or Boxing Day as it’s known there in Australia), will you go to the theater or watch at home?

im part deaf and the dialogue in tenet is fine

My two favourite running gags are back! 'What do you think the story was' and 'a couple a' backwards bois'!

50:40 You just “invented” Memento)

And there is a movie where part of it goes forward, and the other part goes backward: _Memento_

This podcast is the best podcast of other podcasts

John david Washington should be the black panther

Cool party!

“Tenet” a.k.a “The Backwards Boiz”

You have to have disliked the video in order to like it

I went into this movie with an open mind since I like Nolan and think people are weirdly negative about him despite everyone always complaining about Superheroes and remakes. I also think the whole "this will save theaters" was more of a studio thing than him. That said, I unfortunately just don't think this movie is worth seeing. It's not bad, in fact I really like the actors and direction and I under the basic "plot" of the protagonist trying to find a way to stop a mad man. But the actual threat and gimmick of the movie was just too silly and nonsensical, it was never clear why the backwards stuff would happen and they made it sound like it was just fate so if that was the case then why should I ever worry about the protagonist's safety if he's destined to dodge the bullets or whatever. Even if I misunderstood what was happening, that doesn't change the fact that I never felt any tension, if anything that's why I think they failed in explaining this world. On top of that the backwards boy effect is kind of meh in the grand scheme of things so I just think there are other movies to spend 2.5 hours on instead.

The empire wasn't destroyed as we've seen in the sequel Trilogy.

I love that Spoilers is labeled Wonder Woman 84 lol

Turok the movie yesssss!!

Oh man. New mutants next week and new castings that would get you hyped for dead franchises the following week? Amaaaazing!

Petition to make weekly planet change their name to "podcast, it's a podcast!"

I watched tenet twice and the second time through it was way more understandable.

Thank you thank you thank you for going into Nolan's sound design. His incessant need to spew exposition through masks & mumblers seems to be getting worse with each film. I consider Bane "orator par excellence" compared to the characters in Tenet. About halfway through the film I just gave up trying to comprehend what everyone was saying & watched it like an extended music video by Hans Zimmer. And the science in this film was "sheet". After patting himself on the back about how true the science in Interstellar was, Nolan just went off the deep end in Tenet, breaking every law of thermodynamics he could. Totally underwhelming & unnecessarily complicated film.

I can’t find my keys Edit: nevermind I found them

In regard to movies being released on Boxing Day it used to be that everything was closed on Christmas in Australia but they've since decided that people who care not for Christmas need some place to go so they opened the cinemas as well as most fast food places.

Bring back eerie Indiana

What? What did they say?

Remember when the movie was shrouded on secrecy and everyone thought it was gonna be incredibly complicated and out of this world but really it's stop bad guy from getting the thing