I mean they weren't "forced" to make it. But definitely pressured to. Warner Bros execs flew in person to Rocksteady to convince them to make a live service game instead of whatever their original plan was

Bro not one fnking soul hear nothing from them. THESE ARE RUMORS!!!!........Lets hear why and what made them get the hell out of dodge first before everyone starts the sex lies and video tape extravaganza

Not that simple. WB could have only allowed funding if they made a live service game and thus that’s the detection they “chose”

I doubt they wanted to make this kind of game and knew how to correctly.

@@kylewavey6206wrong WB pitched the idea to switch it from an original Ip to suicide squad and they said yes. they could've said no 😂

Yeah no LEADERSHIP. doesn't mean WB execs...STUDIO LEADERSHIP, it wasn't the heads of the studio...Its literally been common knowledge for months that ROCKSTEADY LEADERSHIP wanted to make an GAAS to the point that it sounds like even WB was asking questions

They are just guys in suits unless the person looking at the game played current games they’d have no idea what they’re seeing sucks kinda like a boomer trying to figure out gen z

@@lutherheggs451 nah that’s not completely true. Zaazlov confirmed WB wants to move to fully live service across all their titles. Rocksteady wasn’t even originally working on SS, WB Montreal was.

​@@whosDaBunare you sure wasnt they doing arkham knights?

@@CyrusIsnt yes. they were working on Suicide Squad before Gotham Knights and Rocksteady was working on some puzzle game. then the puzzle game got canceled and they switched SS to Rocksteady and had WB Montreal do Gotham Knights. why they didn’t hand the Gotham Knights projects to Rocksteady is beyond me. probably will go down as the biggest missed opportunity in WB games history, since the studio will most loot never fully recover from this.

WB sitting there, but we published hogwarts?? What you mean we demanded it? Gotham knights was under baked, but at least they presented an okay 30 dollar game 😂

Yep! A wild TALL TALE! One a baby would tell!😡

It’s not that hard to believe actually EA out of the blue made a dead space remake but in general publishers want easy money live service versions of classic Ips make money. Developers are not our friends, the last 10 years I noticed this push to blame the publishers. It’s a logical idea mega corps want profits and don’t care for creativity, but if there’s one thing more money hungry than a billionaire it’s a millionaire or sub millionaires. They wanted money and have seen that those new fangled live service games make money. A lot of people haven’t worked for real corporations execs don’t really give 2 fucks and don’t poke their nose in because they can’t be bothered they have Benjamin’s to count and secretaries to touch.

@@Herowebcomicsif your blaming SBI you’ve gotten lost in the sauce of culture war. This is corporate stupidity at its finest sbi is just a convent scape goat for people who don’t want to admit that maybe MAYBE corporate crony capitalism has problems and hinders creativity. But no blame the 14 man crew from Canada that tells writers that calling poc animals is a bad idea.

@@thedude4840 All pubs want at least 1 successful live service. Their problem though is their own spending. The pay too much on it, and often fail delivering good game play. And for the love of god. Looter shooters are annoying. If your main selling point is loot you already fucking up

It is beating a dead horse now, but really, character playstyle should be based of their character, novel idea, right. We literally have an 8 foot shark from DC comics shooting guns, like what else needed to be said. And IDK, I am not familiar with King Shark outside DC animation, maybe he is this fucking sniper type of guy, but man, I doubt that.

Looter shooters have been failing a lot too

I say this as someone who has enjoyed the Borderlands series for a long time. Gearbox at least creates characters from the ground up that are meant to loot and shoot and have different abilities. DC characters just aren't meant for that.

Imagine if Cory Barlog (God of War Director) was like “Hey guys, let’s make a multiplayer GOW live-service game.” And then he leaves before the blow-back hits. Goes to show how shite management can ruin and close gaming companies.

What do the "big suits" have to do with anything. Which part didn't you grasp about it was ROCKSTEADY leadership were the ones who wanted to make a live service game. Its been known for quite some time that the studio founders are the ones who wanted to make Suicide Squad a live service game.

​@lutherheggs451 rocksteady leadership are still one of the big suits, as they were also attracted to the idea of live service. And like the others, they failed to see how other live services succeeded.

"beginning to think..."? Really? Just now? It's been carved into the walls of these big AAA flops since Fortnite. Literally every one that is a publicly traded company with a board. It's sad but not surprising.

Tbf, lots of big corpo (Sega, Square Enix, etc) already shelved their live service games systemetically. They know it wont last long. Those who still doing it today likely only after quick bucks and/or to please shareholders

It's getting extremely difficult to NOT be cynical about these particular types of live-service games from day zero, especially when there's so many examples to point towards, where the exact same problems are showing up (management, for just one of many).

Honestly concord look fine but it’s not doing anything unique enough to go past the surface level “overwatch clone”. If it had a filly fleshed out campaign maybe people would of would of been happier

I mean, try to name a good live-service especially shooter type, besides Helldivers in like the last 5-10 years. You can probably find 1 or 2 that are roughly 10 years old. Also, if you look at completely different things like Smite which I often don't even think of as live-service, though it is... you can find a few more. But look at those ones that ARE good. Often not shooters, often no lootboxes or are free with cosmetic-only lootboxes. (Smite) I guess there's also Warframe but anyway... quite rare. Now, if we define "good" as simply successful... then there's Fortnite and Apex and stuff... but eh. Not really what I mean. And look at the monetization again, of something like Helldivers vs Fortnite. But the reason we keep getting the bs we are getting... is Fortnite apparently made over $20 BILLION since it's relaunch. And EVERY other studio would probably be happy with even an extra $5 billion. Well, "happy." They're never satisfied just making money. They ALWAYS need to make MORE. But, like... if they can START with an extra $5b, that's good.

not harsh, a half cooked overwatch clone in 2024 is never going to do well

concord may be the most spectacular fail yet.

They probably thought, "Single-player? Live-service? What's the difference? They're both video games! Just make it work!" lol

Game studios are so desperate for that constant revenue stream and its so obvious and they will not let it go. They want an always online game, any game, so they can slap an online store front on it start selling microtransactions and watch the cash pour in........It rarely ever works out in their favor but dammit if they dont keep trying.

“The line must go up” it’s the reason why everything is falling apart. If people could just be content with what they had or just strive to make a little more than enough we’d better off. But a 10% gain isn’t enough to the ghouls on wall street.

Reminds me of David Gaider talking about the vague resentment toward writers for games and such and kept pushing for less writing while being suprised it didn"t work out. I feel like bad leadership/management are consistant on not understanding what work goes into their products and wanting to cut corners in the wrong places. Yet expecting quality to be good.

It was also reported that talking about or referencing Destiny was forbidden at Biowas.

16x the disappointment

I mean in the case of CDPR it did come together in the end

I mean, really BioWare magic with Anthem. Bethesda magic seems to mostly work. Idk how they keep turning out the crap they do and everyone happily gobbles it up. I don't think F4llout was very good. Most seemed to skip 76 but we still got Starfield doing reasonably well. Honestly, I think the best thing about Skyrim was the dragons. Other than that, it's mostly worse than Oblivion in every way. Everyone bought 11 copies. Everyone's gonna buy their next thing despite them STILL not using a new engine, probably... still having all the same flaws and everything... regardless of how good it is... like just everyone will buy TES 6 / "Skyrim 2" and Fallout 5.

@@Paradox-es3bl Starfield did reasonably well but it still confirmed what most people thought after Fallout 76, Bethesda has lost it. Starfield is boring, repetitive, the story is garbage and the gameplay average and stale. It's also dead with more people already back playing Skyrim because modders CAN'T change anything because of the way it's been coded, so even if they finally bothered putting the Creation kit out, modders won't save the game from itself. Maybe nobody learned anything, but i doubt it. People are starting to feel the inflation and the Bidenomics effect... they don't have the amount of free money laying around they once did and with the price of game going up... It's not looking well for Bethesda giving their reputation is pretty much screwed, they haven't made anything good in over 10 years.

@@Nyles_FScorrect and I honestly enjoy cyberpunk but they spent years fixing the game instead of adding to it. We won’t get the multiplayer and other expansion that were promised

Naw we knew this before it came out.

@@NiceDiggz everybody just assumed because they wanted a scapegoat tbh.

Sweet baby,when You tell people that someone who left months ago is the one who had their hands in the cookie jar a few minutes ago,make sure to wipe the crumbs off your mouth first. It send a mixed message.🫤

@@Herowebcomics and what about if the person who left months ago was the reason there were only cheap nasty cookies in the cookie jar? Think it’s fair to say thats on them when no body wants their cookies 😂

@@Herowebcomicsoh your lost in the sauce.

prob because there was nothing they could do to compete with the timeframe of develpoment they had... game needed to be 5 times bigger...

Anthem at least was more playable, despite the setbacks

The smear campaign against a legendary studio continues. I wonder what consulting company is known for that..😡

Misinformation comment for a channel that loves to mislead people.

I mean the actual devs didn't want to make it in the first place. If there is no interest then there can't be any passion

That goes to The Avengers for me. Big license, great format already (Marvel Ultimate Alliance) HUGE fan base. Focused on squeezing every penny out of the fans rather than making a worthwhile game.

Babylon's Fall and Anthem say hi. Lol

​@jrrr9219 The weirdest part about Babylon Fall is that the first two trailers showed such promise. But after they revealed it to be live service, the curtain was pulled to reveal such an ugly painting.

Babylons Fall wants to say hello, but nobody played that game at all really.

Yea, not even sure why we need someone to “uncover” what was pretty clear from the very very start. Only people who thought it would be more were fanboys to the previous work.

​@@Trace153 because people who didn't play the game want to Iearn what happened, your comment is like saying we don't need the word "happy" to be in the dictionary since everyone knows what it means.

@@iaqh not sure what your point was, but ok happy you now can feel you have uncovered the truth. That is was poor direction and so on…

​@@iaqhpretty sure the guy you replied to is a troll if not... yeesh. Regardless it's good to have factual information rather than the sweet baby inc circlejerk. It shuts up certain demographics and gives a clear picture of events.

dc right now they need good leadership someone like Bruce Timm and James Gunn someone like those guys should be in charge in their gaming devision

I worked for a few weeks in such a place. Couldn't handle more. I am a smiling happy person that jokes all the time but forced positivity was just so cringe i wanted to shoot myself in the face. I remember them actually asking as in demanding ways to give high five and smile at each other and praise each other etc. It was just a horrible comedic act that made me feel like i wanted to put myself on fire. You can't force people to be positive, we aren't robots.

Not enough white. 8/10.

If Luke was wearing white, he'd become a floating head.

I always think it's a blend of both. Somebody could have done better at some point but they didn't.

I agree for sure

Bad management, you can almost tell the disaster that is gonna come when you have leadership like that come in.

You have a point. That shot of Luke lying on his stomach like a 15 year old girl at a slumber party amuses me.

It's like that meme: "No, it's the teams that were wrong."

And they chose the wrong one to be the Arkham Knight sequel...

@@Paradox-es3bl definitely. Gotham knights would’ve benefited so much more from being connected to Arkham. While suicide squad gained nothing .

@@shoff29 Gotham Knights would be the best superhero title out today if it was made as an Arkham Sequel using the Arkham engine and gameplay (even with co op). it also ironically works better canonically within Arkham with minor story changes. that decision from WB is not only questionable, but kind of scary in the sense they didn’t see the gold mine they were sitting on.

​@@whosDaBunIt's crazy that a group of people missed the gold nugget they had. I like to think that maybe a lower dev or someone said something but was dismissed.

@@Ashbrash1998 i’m not entirely surprised because Rocksteady isn’t exactly know for listening or paying attention to their community very much. a lot of people seem to forget the excuse they gave for not letting free roam with all characters in Knight, and then doubling down on it after literally asking the community what things they would like to see added before support ended. it was the number 1 most requested feature and was left out simply due to laziness, and the excuse they gave of “it would be too difficult to traverse around the map without the batmobile” was just cringe and kinda of said a lot. A LOT of people seem to have forgotten about that.

Also not being familiar with the competition.

They sure did huh?

how ?

Dont ever talk shit about my game 😾 ive bought this game and it is a good one I have a few games to sell but it was really fun and the gameplay is great I think it is a lot more complex and the gameplay really adds to it I would love it if I can play more of the same style as you guys are very nice people I love it I think I will try to play more games.

I'm scared to check the games's subreddit .

I thought that’s what I was hearing. 😂

It works! 😁

Haha! I knew him posing was reminding me of something.

lol i can’t unsee this now 😂

They literally sat with the legacy of the games they made, the legacy of the comics and decided on THIS. Like they had ample source material to get inspiration from and they knew how the audience felt. And a group of adults thought this was the way to go.

Yeah I will say that the story and other parts were really good. Since squad was a burning shop.

i mean this article and other insider leaks literally disprove this theory, so why you would still have it is odd lol

@@whosDaBun tell me what in the article is disproving my theory, cite it, give an example. Don't say you're wrong lol.

@@Sounds2Human wym Sefton wrote and produced the entire game and talked in various interviews about how excited he was for the game. even after he left he tweeted about the game. why would he intentionally make a “bad” game ? in this industry making a bad game can be detrimental to your career.

@@whosDaBun think for a minute outside the box..... I JUST said he wanted to kill his universe (follow my train of thinking if you're gonna disagree.) Not only would the fanbase hate the game but they won't let the franchise live just so it could end. You don't know how a artist feels about the work they did. Not saying I'm correct but I think there's an underlying issue with popular IP's and greedy corporate minds getting their hands and juicing those properties in our faces. Right now the multiverse and antiheroes are in, the last 3 games WB printed out all have Multiverses in them (one of them is in the name). It seems to be a trend going on at WB and everyone under has to follow suit. Hill literally could've been like "yeah I don't agree so imma crash out cause you're not gonna pimp out my universe or world... I plan on leaving in 2 years, when this game flops ill bring everyone passionate to my new project if trusted." I'm just thinking bruh made those decisions because the bad taste will last beyond after the game's shutdown. Hell they are dropping an Arkham game AGAIN because this failed nd it's on Oculus... Nobody asked for that and this is their last hurrah to keep folks engaged with the company. Guess what I bet ppl won't buy it as a boycott to Rocksteady When the heart and mind leaves the body is dead already...

Unless they're working 18 hours a day, they should make time for that. That's technically part of their job to know what's going on in the industry

@JJJBunney001 I agree, but I believe many game companies have the same issue like this. Which is bad thing.