Well said

Spot on

I think he did more than cheer Joselu on -- he continued to trust and provide service for Joselu which arguably outshines his visible frustrations seen by negative body language

The problem Bellingham is not a playmaker nor is Rice. And Foden is sort of in a team that moves the ball about in small spaces with give-and-go. I see Bellingham more like a Frank Lampard sort of player

I agree he's not a 10. He doesn't find space well enough between lines. Not atm

None of our midfielders are playmakers.. Gallagher, Rice, Bellingham are all physical players who rely on their physicality to run games. Even Foden isn't really a playmaker as he wants to be on the offense rather than control games like Rodri, Kroos or Partey. Trent is a world class passer but end of the day he is also a right back, and his mentality is not about control but launching dangerous passes in behind.

@@findingaether”foden isnt a playmaker as he wants to be on the offensive” yeah and kdb isnt a playmaker either 😭wtf

@@gr3saeyend there is a difference. That's why England fails all the time because fans don't think properly and demand stupid things..... Lampard, Gerrard, Cole, Rooney, Beckham all wants to be offense. England barely can string 2 passes together. Foden and Trent gave away the ball so much in the grp stages with hail Mary passes. They are shit at playmaking. Look at real playmakers like Rodri, Ruiz, Kroos... they don't donate the ball.....Put them in the right position and get someone secure with the ball otherwise England can only be a counter attacking outfit, not an attacking one.

Passion or is it his ego

@@TomTom-gs7wydid you watch this video ?😂

Mate if things reach "his level" we're out next round. Sick of everyone sticking up for Bellingham when he's been absolutely terrible this tournament.

@@TomTom-gs7wy on players you don't like it's ego and those you do it's passion

Just not his level in the last 2 games, which has been woeful

Agree - absolutely no sense of tactical complexity under Southgate

​@@heinkle1it's been the same under every England manager. At this point, it must be the FA and the sponsors picking the team. Because we are ALWAYS imbalanced

Southgate always gets our left winger to drop into the middle moe, leaving the right wingback free from goal kicks .This means we're always pressing the ball 10 yards to late

Feels weird to me people blaming Kane for not pressing. Kane basically has to press keeper and shadow cover a defender. He does that. The press is on the mid 3's fault. Rice, Gallagher, Bellingham need to press MUCH higher.

​@@mickbanner Agreed, the midfield is too deep so Kane has to stick on the other teams 6 instead of pushing forward

Yep. And it's confusing to me why the fans don't understand this. They go straight to dragging down the star payer. I realised this first during all that "Ronaldo doesn't press" nonsense.

@@Coach-rq6jx It's a trade off though. Ronaldo doesn't press so you should have a scheme to compensate for that. The modern trend is for a full team press but England are sort of doing it minus Kane.

Tbf I think we’ve been attempting the German approach of fixed positions but fluid personnel with the Bellingham/Foden rotation. Trouble is the communication/chemistry between them isn’t fully there yet, neither of them are familiar enough with the positional discipline required of them, and Bellingham in particular is miles off his game and clearly impacted by fatigue.

@@user-ed7et3pb4o That requires a tempo setter. Not a player like trent who prefers the hollywood ball. It's just disjointed thinking that makes it seem there is no over arching plan, just half baked ideas

@@Jamie-jy7sw yes, and that’s why we really need to play Wharton. Also play Trent to provide that creativity down the right, switch the wingers, and have Jude and Rice playing as two 8s.

Careful that may be taken as criticism, you’re not allowed to do that to jude or you’ll get cancelled!

I guess we can summarise his behaviour as mature at the best of times but quickly turns into a sore loser when things don't go his way, which is fine. He's not a manager who needs to be composed all day all week.

Lets just be honest....hes freakin 20 not 2 years old

You waffle shit. Drogba had a meltdown because he wanted to win & cared to win, he was outraged that his team got robbed. Any proper winner will have a meltdown, the saying "show me someone who takes losing well & that person is a serial loser". Chelsea are mid table & you Chelsea fans have already forgotten what it is to have winners. Terry, Lampard... they all egos & were emotional but they wanted to win. Maybe you should watch football, even Messi gets emotionally unstable.

"As a chelsea fan" what relevance is your plasticity to the point? Whereabouts in west London are you from

Imo he'll never shine as a 10 for England or at any club he'll play for. He just doesn't have the attributes to do that &, I don't think he'll be able to develop them as most of them are unreasonable qualities imo

We also need Trent at RB.

Totally agree with the Gordon and especially the Wharton call. I think Wharton will bring balance to the midfield

@@Football_Unlimited we really should’ve given Wharton some minutes before we reached the knockouts.

Yes. Gordon is great. Wharton I'm not sure. palmer is possibly the single was effective player on their team

Let me ask , do you watch La liga?

I agree. The trouble with us England fans we think our good player should be able to do it all . But England really doesn't know how to a build a system to fit the players. It's the Lampard, Scoles Garrard thing thing all over again and no left footed players. History repeating itself

@@KaidenKnox11 These lot would rather watch Burnlay vs Sheffield rather than watch Real Madrid. That tells you enough to know about these guys.

He doesn't have that in his arsenal

We’re too slow and predictable. Makes it easy for opponents. Need to try Wharton asap

THEN you'd eave Rice on his own.Rice is a box to box so has a tentedcy to drift.JUDE is tiered anyway.He needs a break or else he's gonna get injured.

Bellingham has to be benched. he is useless. Foden in at number 10 and gordon and palmer in the wings. Rice with Mainoo in the midfield box to box players. Keep the back 4 and kane. This is the team that will have balance and dominate.

Either do that or what others say and bench Bellingham (fatigue etc), or go 3 at the back with Rice, Bellingham, Mainoo in midfield and Gordon, Foden, Palmer ahead with Watkins or Kane up front. Esp. if Shaw is not match fit to play then 3 at the back with 2 supporting mids and one higher (Bellingham) who can eat up the ground in the middle. If Shaw is fit then 4 at the back and what the other said abut benching Bellingham.

@@krkisawui100 When both at their best, Jude is far superior to Foden. Better in the air (Foden would not have scored the round 1 goal). Covers more ground and quicker. Better at tackling. Is more clutch so far (2 winners in el Classico). He has had 2 stinkers so I'd consider resting him. But Foden has been getting in his way and has been harming the team balance by refusing to give us width and leaving the left open for the opposition to attack, so I'd also consider benching Foden too. I might bench both and play Wharton, Rice, Mainoo in the middle, and Gordon on the left.

​@JohnJohn-cu7nk then take Rice out. If he can't he wants to drift and that effects the whole team then he clearly isn't smart enough as a top level footballer. I dont get why people think Rice is undroppable, we want to play possession based football but we can't if he's playing.

Mid tournament?

@@okokokjackI honestly think they would win the tournament if they did.

@@killthomas8373nah it would just cause division in the camp because they do like Southgate. He’s probably going to be gone after the tournament so we just have to hope the FA chooses a good replacement for the World Cup

Ivory Coast did it and won...

Rory Jennings posted something like sack Southgate tonight after the Denmark game and I laughed at him, as much as I want him gone I thought to get rid of him mid tournament would be an insane idea. I thought we could still win in spite of Southgate and sacking him would only cause chaos. Now I actually think it’s impossible for us to win with Southgate and that sacking him mid tournament is the only possible chance we have of winning

Good point.

Most players downgrade on their manager at international level. The best coaches are in club football. You could say the same about any of the Spain players who play for Madrid.

I've been wondering that myself for the last 8 years

Young? Get out of here this age excuse is ridiculous

Was it? I especially him doing a nice pass back, and the commentator praising him… that its was totally unnecessary and without substance beside, him being all over the field has caused Kane & Foden look like idiots. The was zero plan or communication between these guys, when Player A moves into Player B space, Player B needs to know where to move, and Player A too. If this runs are automated you can play a blind pass into empty space, because you know Player B will be there eventually… communication & tactics … that is the problem.

@@DIN_A8 Kane and Foden are idiots regardless of Jude.

Probably frustration that the rest of the players not performing up to their mark, severe drop of quality around him and a lack of promising system. It's okay, I think he'll bounce back in the knockouts.

@@Coach-rq6jxI think exhaustion as well. With the way he plays he needs to rest from time to time. Probably should’ve been rested against Slovenia

Then maybe you lot should drop kane

And quite a lot of passing the ball back from Foden and Trippier. They should always look FORWARD, just like Vini at Real Madrid. Bellingham making runs and Foden moving forward would immediately put any defense in danger. Also, both of England's goals came from Saka and Walker deciding to move FORWARD instead of cutting it back. They should really work on that.

​​@@Coach-rq6jxfodens a left footer. When he takes it with his back to goal. The only suitable way to attack is to move it wider closer to the touchline, which acts as an extra defender for the opposition. Only way is to pass it back and move since thats the only way he gets to move forward.If he was a right footer he takes it turn and he cuts inside since its his stronger foot but he isnt soo its gonna happen a lot.

foden??? lack of movement??? have you been watching the JLA videos. Thats the last criticism you give him

@@helloitsme_omer "JLA videos".

@@Coach-rq6jx he's someone reputable and been in the scene for a long time, I'd take his analysis over "coach"

bellingham wins ucl and starting in it but hes useless damn

I think Rice is great at what he does and Bellingham does get back. Rice's shortcoming is the lack of vision on the ball and range of passing l

Because of two poor group stage games for England?

to be fair, he was piss poor for Madrid in every KO games. Against City he was nothing. Literally invisible just like he in in the last 2 England games. Diving around, trying to get fouls, complains a lot. That's basically what City fans saw during that UCL QF match. soo it doesn't surprise me even a little bit that he act like that or even perform like that. to be fair to him, he is being asked to play a position that isnt suited to his skillset, he isnt a pocket player in the likes of ozil or david silva but also isnt a final ball monster like KDB. His skillset is more tailored for a box crashing CM and can drive on counters. Real had to play him CAM because they dont have a real striker. England doesnt need to do that, they have a 10 in Foden, a striker in Kane, why cant he play in the 8 effectively like he did with Dortmund, along side Rice?

Messi won the Ballon dor in 2010, 2015, 2016, 2019 after have 0 Non-penalty goal at WC or Copa America. I guess Messi's PR is different then ?

@@KaidenKnox11 Messi was sent from the Gods...Bellingham is just a great footballer!

@@ph8077 Sent from gods or made in a lab by doping with HGH and still having zero Non-penalty goals at 2010 WC and 2015,16,19 Copa Americas. Yeah, whatever.

That’ll come with time

Jude won’t be dropped deeper next season, same formation as the one which won them the UCL

Southgate is guilty of the formation, but regardless, his play/touch not good enough atm. ENG been guilty of playing the names before, so let's us please bench one of the best players in the world, but to make a better team.

Ancelotti literally said that he'll still use jude in the same rule you buffon

I think it’s because he’s absolutely fucked and Southgate won’t rest him, he’s literally played every minute of our euro’s games and it’s exhaustion. He’s amazingly capable of passing (remember the insane first time volley to walker in he first game) and he’s certainly got the ability to take people on or draw people. He’s obviously fuckin exhausted.

​@@harrybrierley6563 Absolutely

No, very bad

@@EvieWillNotDie Tell us your genius idea then?

@@pforson It's simple really, a player on each side holding the width, 3 at the back with a box midfield with Bellingham as the left 10 and foden as the right (seriously, get foden off the left, why are we sacrificing him for others like trent) and kane up top, its simple really. You can even have 4 at the back and have stones come into midfield as the 2nd 6. In possession its the 3-box-3 and out its a 5-4-1 or 4-5-1. We arent drilled well enough for this pressing playstyle, just sit back and allow the opponent to create space behind them then hit them on the counter or recycle it and build up with slow play. Can even do a 5-3-2 or 4 triple 2 with watkins or someone partnering kane up top, which would be great to see. Could then drop into a 4-4-2 when defending. Most of the players have experience with these systems, I've been saying this is how we should be playing for years now, is this not so obvious? And yes, you can slip Palmer into that squad very easily for rotation.

@@EvieWillNotDie That is a far better response than simply a flippant and frankly rude "No, very bad" statement. What you are proposing is not unreasonable. It is not exactly what I would do, but that is not to say it wouldn't work. However, such a significant change should take place after the tournament, not at this stage. Regardless of how experienced the players may be playing in similar systems for their clubs, it is a big ask for them to adapt as a group mid-tournament, and honestly, it is not even worth discussing as Southgate will never do that. The best we can hope for is that he maximises the current system by playing players in their natural positions, which is what I suggested.

@@pforson don't care, not the point, very bad.

please tell me you are joking

@@adrians-ro8kk I wish I was joking….🤔🤪

Bruno fanboy

@@Fgd231 no just an observation

English media for you ☕

Fernandes is SHIT and Bellingham is quality. Theirs your answer! Don’t ever put that BUM Bruno Fernandes name in the same sentence as JUDE BELLINGHAM!

Everyone is commenting on bellingham moaning the difference is that bruno whines the most in the whole world

Some English fans are really dense. They find it easier to blame the star player and call it a day rather than search for what's really the problem. KZfaqrs like this guy, Fiago and Mark Goldbridge supplying them with their biased opinions that stick to the back of their minds. It's frustrating, and I'd given up a long time ago.

The same people complaining about Jude watch Foden do fuck all but claim he is the best. It’s asinine.

Some English fans are really dense. They find it easier to blame the star player and call it a day rather than search for what's really the problem. KZfaqrs like this guy, Fiago and Mark Goldbridge supplying them with their biased opinions that stick to the back of their minds. It's frustrating, and I'd given up a long time ago.

Exactly right.

But I said this before the tournament started, they all operate in the same space, drop Kane for a striker who stretches play

The thing with the high press everyone has to react not just the trigger and one other

@@steveallen3434 I'm just talking about from the front. We looked so much more lethal with Palmer and Gordon. I think put Watkins on with those and it'll be so much better.

Bellingham looks knackered I don’t think he’s fit. However its not just him underperforming is it, when the entire team plays horribly then I’m sorry but there’s only one man to blame for that

@@bluesEvanskro maybe they are over training leaving too much on the training pitch

Yes, England is at a higher level then Madrid. England have 5 WCs

@@KaidenKnox11 😂😂

He doesn’t have a creative bone in his body

All creative players had it at 18

jude is 20 bruno doing 30 soon

lol they thought he was a scapegoat but ain’t nothing changed since they took him out

@@lariatolariato This Scouse "scapegoat" thing is hilarious. He wasn't scapegoated...he was just bypassed in midfield constantly, I've never seen someone so out of their depth tactically.

I would generally advise against letting lions so close to vital organs.