3 orbs mechanic becomes better, it becomes 5 orbs later

Nexon is not a company a gamer can trust, they have been sued for manipulating RNG drop rates to 0 percent!!!!

My rage over not having a 20% drop rate item drop over dozens of attempts feels justified.

Hearing someone else talk fondly about defiance brings me joy I miss the hell outta that game

The first boss's name is GREG...i was very intimidated, it was a solid name, unlike GREGARIUS or say GREGORIA, yea those names dont give gravitas to a boss. GREG is where it's at

The game should be named "The three orbs"

9M USD is such a pitiful fine... what's the point? They should be fined for like 5% of the yearly revenue in the timespan considered... like in this case, 10 years, fine them 5% of 10 years of revenue from that game. Like to put it in perspective: Nexon made 2.5 BILLION with a B USD in revenue in 2022. approximately around 20% of that (conservative, probably) is Maplestory. That's 500 hundred millions a year. Let's just say for the sake of simplification that that's what they've been making with Maplestory for 10 years: that's 5bn dollars. 5% of that would be 250 million dollars. THAT would be a reasonable fine. 9 million? May as well fine them 50 cents, that's how much it matters to Nexon. Would you stop stealing from people if you only get fined for about 0.2% of the total revenue you made? I know I wouldn't. I'm making 99.8%, they can take the 0.2.

you can tell this game was designed as a store first and game second

Honestly, the grapple reminds me of my favorite capcom game Lost planet. MAN... I miss that stupid game so much.

Also getting caught on your team mates as a bunny while running

In the Beta there were no enemies outside of active missions. People complained the worlds were too empty so they now added random roaming mobs of enemies that do nothing but disrupt you while you're trying to sort your drops between missions lol. Still having a great time working through hard mode bosses rn.

One thing I've noticed about the world feeling alive, is they added these little groups of enemies that just wander the world. Now they did this based on feedback and I'll admit I'd rather enemies only spawn when missions are active. The reason for this is I can't sort or look at the loot in my inventory in the open world because of the wandering enemies just killing me while I'm doing so which does get old when you have to look at loot a lot

So.. like ... shes the energizer bunny?

I'm going to enjoy the game till I don't, they aren't seeing a dollar from me with those crazy ass prices.

Quick question did they push up how much xp it requires to level mastery because from 9 to 10 im sure it was 12.000 *(or 20k) around that then it jumped to over 40.000.

Small correction in regarding the module capacity increasing: no, real money is NOT the only way to do it, but the grind to get it for free is the peak of this game making a tedious grind to push you into buying

the crazy thing about monetization is that if you made a fair monetization system you would get more people to spend money. you cut out an entire group of people by being predatory. if you make a fair system you will get my money and the whales because they are going to spend money regardless so the focus should be on getting me to spend money

The biggest problem right is the dye system... You can't paint anything default, you can only paint skins, and the dye is one time use... In Warframe you can paint everything and you have unlimited use of colors

They confirmed the Trading already - but will come later when the Server are stable. The problem is - we dont know how the trading will be. My guess: you can trade everything - besides Caliber (so you are forced to buy Caliber..) But i pray it will be just like Warframe - you can trade Caliber so f2p players have a chance. And i'm not 100% sure - but with the Colors.. was this not a thing in Warframe aswell at the start before they changed it? I love the Game so far - and i dont mind the Grind. (and the Ingame Access Info is the best thing out there.. other Games need this to) Warframe is not for me anymore... but its the best f2p Loot Shooter out there (but you get overwhelmed easy - especially if you are new)

The thing that i liked about the dyes is how shitty the selection of colours is, it felt like they built all the characters around the same colour pallette and then only made that specific pallete be what you can choose from. Personally i wasn't a fan of any of the dye options, something i've found to be common in a lot of games is that players like having a basic "Black" colour option and the game doesn't even offer that...

One of the things that bugs me is getting hit, like you don't really feel it at all and then you look at your health and its half gone. When you do get hit like with the boss's it feels clunky.

"Nexon has promised they will eventually look at possibly adding trading" rofl, that was a mouthful

Is this footage 360 p lflr anyonw else? Have it at 1080 60 but still locked

I only just started playing about 2 hours in, I ran across random mob packs when in the open world.

Oh boy Defiance those were the days, man I'm old😅

I really liked Outriders too. You're not alone

"Bunny is so unique" - Laughs in Gyre (Warframe)

does anyone know what the item and shop economy is like. I enjoy mmos where I can do more than just pick up sell and craft, I like selling to other players and get into econ

Nexon: pay us 100 dollars to see some cheeks Gamers: Yes

I am blown away at how much people have already spent on this game. I spawn into the main hub and there are very few default skins around. so we are rewarding there cash shop tactics

1:44 you're looking for the word "slingshot" :P Also, you actually got me sold on this game with how you described the Bunny character. That really sounds fucking FUN!

Hey Force I decided because of the Maple story incident you mentioned to chart the drops, so far I only perfomed one for ultimate bunny cells so the drops seem pretty accurate (for now). Total Runs = 74 Runs 1 Ultimate Bunny Cells Blueprint = 1.35% (3% Chart) 6 King's guard Lance Synthethic Fiber Blueprint = 8.1% (6% Chart) 12 Crystalization Catalyst Blueprint = 16% (15% Chart) 24 Valby Spiral Catalyst Blueprint = 32% (38% Chart) 31 Python Synthethic Fiber = 41% (38% Chart) For now in release week is staying true but ill chart every rare farm and hint if they swapping the drop rates, you'll be surprised how many online games like to switch drop rates of things. For example PHANTASY STAR ONLINE 2 NEW GENESIS likes doing it in a weekly basis to manipulate the economy and nobody knows about this. If I see a fluctuation on the RNG ill update this post in the future.

I'll say this, I played non-stop for a couple of days and theb I reached a point where I was trying to get some drops that said they were 20% but I spent the entire day and got 1.2% drops from missions that took like 10-15 mins each but didn't get any of those 20% drops. Funny thing, those drops were for descendants and it happened to me for 2 descendants. I haven't played since then but I wonder of Nexon is manipulating drop rates again based on how much you play and spend, etc.

I did that mission for the 20% drop chance for the poison lady (can’t remember her name lol) for about 7 hours total and FINALLY got it. Theres no shot in hell it’s a 20% drop chance.

No one ever mentions the fact that in warframe you can trade the PAID currency. You can literally trade platinum for items and stuff. People who play free and put time in the game can easily rake in thousands of hundreds of plat w/o spending a dollar. I did that for years on end and finally got some via a $20 gift. Warframe is BiS for community and development, only game I play that I am %100 ok with p2w because it respects my time I put in with the ability to earn and spend like the p2w players. Edit: To explain my point more here is this: Trading is coming to The First Descendant, but I can guarantee that they will not incorporate the ability to earn the p2w currency. They HAVE to earn the money, so locking some items to be unable to trade such as the currency and/or certain items is the most likely to happen. I hate this. This slaps me in the face and says that I will never be able to keep pace with those who p2w. I want my time to mean something and if im spending more of it within a game than that of a p2w play-style then I want to feel like it is worth it. I want to iterate this however: This is an opinion on how the p2w sphere should play out. Warframe FOR ME is the BiS P2W game there is hands down. It values my time with the ability to literally earn and spend the p2w currency with no limitations. Who knows, they may end up adopting a like minded stance on trading and allow currency/all items to be traded. But until the trading is out I can only speculate and hope that games like this adopt the ability to value the time I spend in their game with benefits that fit. If you feel like this is wrong, then that's fine. Not here to argue just voice an opinion I want to share.

Dyes sound like the Eververse store in Destiny 2, at launch the dyes there were single use as well. Firm pass, I remembered the fine and have told other people not to spend money in the game. The Korean report also detailed how much the whales were spending on Maple Story cubes.

"games that others think are bad...Firefall" sir..that was an amazing game.

what we need is a consumer awarded 'fair monetization badge' (maybe tiered?) that the companies could eventually strive for to get on their title .. question is how to make this transparent, fair and immune or resistant against pressure or corruption.. maybe a council of some know streamers each giving their vote (because they value their reputation) - nudge nudge

My experience with this game was this: I enjoyed the beta (saw some issues and had hopes some of the things would be fixed, some of them got fixed), played this through with little to no issues. Love the characters, even if some of them seem a bit generic. Graphics are really good, map designs aren't bad, quest system can get a *bit* repetitive, rates can be a *bit* frustrating (many hours were wasted trying to get Freyna's pieces). Same as Warframe, you can play this game completely f2p; just takes a bit longer. And yes, you can farm for the Crystallization things and Energy Actuators. You just need to do Encrypted Chests in certain areas. Enzo makes these much easier cause he makes the minigame for them easier to manage. Boss fights are good as well if we're talking about the Void Intercept battles. The story bosses feel more like minibosses if anything, and yeah, the orbs can be annoying from time to time. I do agree with a fair amount of takes here and hope that Nexon will at least address some of the things listed, but most of us know how Nexon can be. I mostly just have complaints about the dyes since most of them in my experience with the game so far come from either coughing up some cash for specific paints or buying the Battle Pass and getting some curated ones that way. Hopefully they can make some missions/events that are accessible to f2ps where we can possibly grind for currency and have a separate event shop for dyes. Or even better, you can have separate palettes where we can just buy the palette and not have to grind for dyes specifically.

where do you get the real life money only for energy activators from have you not done crafting in game? you can craft them and i think they are easyer to farm then in warframe

Firefall may you rest in peace. 🪦

Bunny is carry this game on her cheeks

I felt the same exact way as a similar type of gamer on paper it checks every single box but when I play it, I just play a mission and I’m like meh and then log off.

They should have added some parkour movement like ability to vault over obstacles instead of getting stuck especially for bunny which moves crazy AF!

I do want to point out (im sure someone else has) you can definitely earn the energy activator in game. Just very very long... to earn.. lol

It makes me want to go back to Warframe. The trading was great, and I never had to spend a single dime to get the primes I wanted.

I want to play Warframe but the screen keeps flashing black like a lot of older games.

the pacing and the whole "chance of something to have a chance at something" (often 25% chance at a 3-6% chance) is killing it for me. i've got one more descendant to level and then i'll be done for now. got a good 100+ hours so far though. great for free, but needs to be better in multiple ways if they want that warframe staying power and cash flow

Once u get further the orbs get even worse there will be some immune to damage then like 1 u can deal damage to and it keeps moving so if u dont destroy it before it's very time consuming especially when randos don't know what to do

I had an emotional reaction to the Firefall mention. 😢

What's crazy is. Everything you're saying is 100% true and I agree with. But for some reason I cannot put the game down. And I'm not spending a dime on the shop (I don't even open the shop). It really reminds me of early Destiny 2, before they started seasons where they'd just invalidate all the items they made you grind for last season.

I just think this game came out at the PERFECT time. Like it’s in the middle of summer, kids are home (the ones that usually spend the most mindless money) and honestly there’s not a lot of really good games out right now to invest in so itll be a success for the time being. When fall rolls around and games start dropping this game will get more of a war frame treatment. Still a good game but just in the background where not a lot of people speak or care about it

A console specific problem I have is the max sensitivity is really slow across the board

This game is not your friend, it’s here to pray on people

Has anyone else had an issue where the game will randomly crash your entire PC? Causing it to restart.

I’m always amazed by the industries unwillingness to emulate Warframes monetization.

Way back in the day with Defiance there was a gun I loved. Injector it was called? Shot needles and caused pus bombs to grow on enemies. Then these little spider aliens would pop out run around and attack enemies. So much fun and variations of it more pus bombs or more spider baby aliens.

Saw the trailer and reminded me alot of firefall is it anything like it?

I am unsure if were around the same age (im 34) but we seem to have ironically similar views towards games and very similar tastes. I only find it bizarre because clearly with games being what they are these days, our "tastes" are not as popular as I wish they were. This game missed the mark for me but I feel like so did warframe when it launched but after updates and patches it became something I did enjoy for a while. I'm just waiting for a game that can take my breath away again at the very start and continue to add awesome content to continue to enjoy for years to come. *Begins holding breath*

Took me about 16 hours of farming to get kyle's peices another 2 for the mats and another 8 to craft the parts and another 16 to finish cooking him. 16+2+8+16= 42 hours for a single char and id like to think i was pretty lucky getting him.

the biggest problem for me is the microtransactions which are insanely pricey. and also the fact that you cant obtain premium currency only with your wallet.

Truly appreciate the honest take on this game. Unlike the core 3-4 Division 2 YT 'creators' who have completely jumped ship at Tencent's/Ubi's/Nexon's bidding to keep their viewership pumped up. This form of "influencing" by claiming to be an independent third party who states they "get no money" from developers, but clearly still receive some form of assistance/support from title owners is just as deceitful as the monetization and rng of the "free to play" games they peddle.

Completely new to these types of games and was trying to complete a Quest for materials. The mission on map said I’d receive the item for completing it so I did it and was soo confused when I didn’t get the item, I now understand that literally everything is RNG on whether you’ll get it (not just pulls, loot boxes etc like in other games e.g. Genshin). This to me at least is soo ass backwards, maybe I’m dumb but it should at least indicate clearly what my chances are of getting it are.

If you're grinding for a drop do 5 runs MAX then try again tomorrow. I cant confirm it, but I think there's some sort of daily loot switching system where drops go through cycles of what is common. Ive unlocked three blueprints by just waiting the next day to grind

If we where listening in the native Korean the voice lines would be synced up lol

Free to play doesn't mean you get everything in the game for free without a price. The price is time. We already knew it was going to be a grind. That means grinding. I've been loving this game. But I went into it with expectations of a free to play game.

I get character stuff so often. The drop rate isn't that bad. I've had to grind a bit but I'll tell you once you get that piece it feels hella good

It would've been fine if the monetization was done better and the game wasn't so anti consumer but this is Nexon...

ive never played a live service game on launch before. and im really enjoying it. its a fun game.

Shout out to anyone that’s been playing SK games for more the 25+ years this is golden to us… see you later mainstream KZfaqrs

I have a pretty decent PC and it had a somewhat hard time running at the frames I wanted. Not sure if that's because I need to upgrade or because the engine/game. But I've got a Ryzen 7 5800X and a 3070Ti

This game is a lot of fun, hopefully the monetization doesn’t ruin it

Completely agree. Boss mechanics for missions arent unique enough, pacing is off, etc. Agree with everything you said. However I still enjoy it, and hope they will update it and add in a lot more uniqueness

It's not just 3 orbs. Some mini bosses have other phases like bubble sheilds and elemental abilities. Are we playing different games?

Is it just me or recently audio on youtube is more harsh to the ears? Seems like i have to lower everyones volume to 5% so it won't scratch my ears.

The roughness we're all feeling, I describe with these specific examples - There's no "queuing" of interactions. Like if i hold escape when trying to skip dialogue, i have to wait a few seconds instead of just interpreting that im already holding escape. If i want to weapon swap i have to wait for the animation of w/e else im doing and THEN hit the button, it doesnt queue the key press to happen after the animation completes. When I'm ADSing it'll just randomly stop doing it after i hit stuff. i thought it was because i was getting hit and it was a "flinch" mechanic but it literally happens with one enemy on the screen and theyre not shooting me. There's animations you cant skip like when you complete a timer on research...ive researched the stupid exotic upgrade material a hundred times...i dont need to go through 15 seconds of cutscene to show it to me before i can confirm. There's UI elements that cover my weapons in the bottom right often. There's no i-frames in the dodge roll or upon revivals. So often I'll get revived by a teammate and spam dodge roll just trying to get away only to instantly die because there was some AOE On the ground nearby or they were shooting my teammate while he was reviving me. The boss battles recommend you have 1800-2200 of an elemental resist...in what fucking world would I EVER be able to get that close? The most I can get is from a mod that gives me 150 resist...unless the stat screen is just lying or something. There's way too many menu animations that can't be skipped or ones that dont transition to others like opening map but meaning to open inventory...they're both full screen menus but you have to escape out of one before the other will open. Players dont get afk'd out of dungeons. Ive had 2 separate instances where we're at the final boss and cant kill it because someones AFK and we cant kick them and it wont kick them after enough time... Theres no party options at all in dungeons, only when you make a party manually. This could lead to ppl finding griefing methods and abusing the hell out of other players for fun. Handcannons and other semi automatic weapons feel extremely unresponsive. Granted i just came from destiny and no one compares to bungie's gunplay but damn ill never use a handcannon in this game because of how jank they feel.

I enjoy it, feels good to just vibe to music and shoot things.

Bunny is just overpowered as fuck though. There's no need for the other classes. Half the time, the enemies are dead before you show up IF you are not Bunny.

It’s not just missions either there are locations on the map that you can only start the event when you have a certain resource and I can’t think what it’s called and then there are locations around the map that are on a timer that if you’re there when that time kicks off they will start and they’re they’re not soluble I meanI do not want solo but they’re on the timer and when the timer gets to zero the event starts and I’m not sure about the response. It seemed like it failed, but then I would respond and keep going, but they are there so the only one I ever finished was with other players.

What makes warframe so good is the fact that you can play the game completely free via relic farming and selling prime items to other players, if this game gets something like that i'd be more open to trying it, otherwise it's just outright p2w, there are people who think warframe is p2w even though you don't have to spend a cent if you play the game and target farm, even then you're getting some of the best parts and blueprints in the game if you don't trade them

I got bored of the first beta so much I skipped the second beta, but am actually really enjoying my time with the final game now.

I like it but can't run it on my 1050TI. Obviously it's old ass hardware but get like 12fps in open world when lots of enemies spawn. I get consistant 40-50 in the smaller areas.

I liked the setting, cinematics and gameplay. 2% drop tied behind a 2% drop is insane

I love the weapon and gear dismantling mini game that takes up 30-35% of the gameplay just to keep playing.

Horrible companies don’t deserve anything

I knew what I was in for when I went in, being a Nexon game. I finished the campaign (Being shamelessly carried through most of the higher raid bosses), hit MR11, got a full bunch of Level 100 Weapons and high-ranked mods... ... Then mostly stopped. The grind for other Descendants is unreal - And I'm coming from 6,000 hours of Warframe (L4)

I was truly interested in this game, but hearing about that nexxon scandal has killed any interest I previously had. Whats to stop them from doing it again and not getting caught this time?

You know it's real fun when Force Gaming talks about combos for a whole minute

not to mention to buy an ultimate character its a solid 100 euros. to my knowledge no free to play game can beat that. warframe prices are way lower.

100 percent agree about Bunny. I mean ofc she's hot and I love it, but her class design IMO is outstanding and exemplary. The dynamic between skills passives and movement -- amazing.

the consumer's expectations and self worth is so incredibly low that we're going to see these types of f2p games for decades

20 bucks for ONE character... it's crazy.

defiance was epic back in the day.

Was just checking the division cus im going to buy it and you popped up lol

This comment thread taught me alot. I just thaught that the 3-5 orbs just had a certain number of time you needed to destroy them. Never did i think they had an order to which you detroyed them since spawn order was not something i paid attention to.

first impression is pretty good but it seems more like a starter version and needs more content, but i like the graphics and gameplay and new chars are pretty cheap ( the gold skins are hilariously overpriced )

Tried it out on ps5, and it ran terribly. The worst part was after clearing the "tutorial" mission, it turned into stop-motion animation whenever i walked.

I don’t get the hate this game gets? I’ve played Warframe for years. So I’m familiar with the genre. TFD is a fun game. It’s in its infancy, and is just getting started. Love the boss fights. Love the resistance needed, kinda like PoE required. Puzzles. Hear feels strong when upgraded with nice effects like explosions. I’ve got right at 40 hours in and still have no completed the main story. Which in all fairness is, just ok. But I’m not playing for the story, as I don’t many games anyways. 40 hours in I just unlocked my fourth character. Have barely farmed for them. Maybe 2-3 hours total. Easier than I thought. Although I can see some in the future will take some time with drop rates, but overall no biggie. The first characters you get and the few that’s practically given to you are really good. I have spent zero money and have not needed to in any way. So this isn’t a cash grab game. Don’t know why people are saying that. If I want to spent a few bucks to unlock a character later, I will. I spent money on Warframe as well. Any free game needs to make currency events, but not at the expense of content and availability. Everything, character, weapon, and content IS NOT behind a paywall. It’s all free. And so are cosmetics. The challenge tan as cosmetic unlocks. I have several already. Skins. Skins are what looks like will cost. But so does Warframe. And PoE. And Helldivers2. And Crossout. And….insert 50 more games. So what’s the problem? If you don’t like it, move on. Those playing are enjoying it. I’m not saying I’m gonna be playing everyday for a year. But I haven’t played a free game that dedicated…ever. My only complaint would be some of the outfits. It’s a Korean game and I’ve played Black Desert. Also Korean. It’s a zero woke environment, that embraces the beauty of the female’s body. Sexy being the selling point. So seeing a chick holding a gatlin gun wearing a swimsuit with high heels and sunglasses will eventually happen. Sadly. Oh it’s eye candy. But I don’t need Bunny ‘s bootie covering my screen when I’m afk and the wife walks by. It’s a Korean game and it’s the genre. You either get used to it, I have, or you move along, again. So far it ain’t Black desert bad, but I’m betting with how many purchases Bunny’s Ultimate outfit, it will encourage more of the same. Oh well. Of it get to bad, I’ll drift away. But as I said, my only complaint.

Outriders is severely underrated. It's the best looter shooter out there next to Borderlands imo and is one of my top played games on Steam.

I think it's a high pedestal to top warframe right now because it's like the league of movement mmo tbh.