That will teach him to play Sol Ring first turn!

I feel his pain in my commander group

I miss em so bad

They were actually kind of good

@@drvissierl1404I don't follow precons much anymore but I bought the Edgar Markov one back in the day, Teferi's Protection paid for itself.

One of the few REALLY good precons that has came out in the last few years is the zombie deck for Wilhelt the rotcleaver

Oh I wasn't surprised :) we were about to get beaten down by Fele's Pegasus anyway, this was the best outcome! I'm not here to win I'm here for the chaos 😅

@@CardmarketMagic That turn 1 sorcery congregate was peek maneuver as well!!!

why didn't he just die from being decked out?

@@wandererbard8993 no ;) Jamin can draw "up to 4" cards

I mean it's kinda cheating, since the card says "Target Opponent" not "Target Player", and your teammate is not your opponent.

"Math is for blockers"... leaves both opponents just barely alive.

We need Fele in more videos

I was sad he didn't sac his commander in an infinite loop to give all of his Pegasi infinite counters :(

give that guy a decent deck and let him play!

Seems a bit like an 'Elton from Tv Total' kinda scenario to me.

Most likely the precon would win. CEDH decks aren't equipped to deal with multiple seven-mana threats on turn 1, because that's not what they see!

@@therealax6 I would say it depends heavily on what precons/CEDH decks are played. Some precons have low card draw and some CEDH decks can just win consistently t1-3, so those matchups would be heavily heavily CEDH favored, but if your precon has a bunch of consistent card draw its possible you could use your infinite mana to draw out your entire deck and flood the board with creatures while keeping a hand full of counterspells to beat whatever the CEDH deck tries to do and just win via card advantage.

depends on the cedh deck imo, a fine tuned midrange meta deck will get blown out but a good old turbo naus or any turn 1 or 2 combo deck will, well combo off without any pressure of having to protect said combo

@@yaza862 I'm not sure if it would have no pressure. Precons still have removal, counterspells, etc. - it's just expensive. But if all that interaction is free, it's powerful.

Depends on the precon, depends on the competitive deck. For example, if the competitive deck is anything but a combo deck, it basically loses. How fast the precon wins and how much interaction they have also vary on which precon. For example, Zedruu doesn't have that many counters, the creatures aren't super impactful, and they don't have enough crazy draw. Meanwhile, Kaalia is probably the best for this, having lots of big creatures that it can play for free, establishing a fast clock. Also, it has multiple cases of "Check if your opponent has Force of Will. If not, they die" in the form of X burns. Lightkeeper of Emeria resolving is infinite life which takes away the win con of some combo decks. Kaalia puts the quickest clock on the opponent and still had disruption. Meanwhile, if we're going beyond the first 4 precons, beating something like Jeleva is extremely unlikely. It has a bunch of x spells, counterspells, and draw while the commander is going to dig for any of those. Any kill spells will just kill Jeleva so it can be done again. I think this amounts to either kill the Jeleva player on turn 1 or you're probably dead.

We only forgot it on one Riku attack so it didn't really matter in the end :)

They messed it up with Riku, but they got the right amount of damage for the pegasi. 17(after blocks) x 1/1 x double strike, would be 34 damage to Jamin, and Carl would take 44 after ghave's counters were added(17 1/1s plus 1 4/4, all with double strike).

I'm confused. Riku had summoning sickness

@@TCG9777 he equipped lightning greaves giving it haste

The dragon token should have killed the wall of denial, too. I'm not far enough into the video yet to know whether that matters

Evincar's Justice is a socery, i also check the decklist.

Yes but Carl decking himself with his own card in hubris after drawing his deck is 20 times funnier

Oop my mistake. Soz@@gavin93100

Carl had a lot of ways to get out of it, let spell crumple resolve so he can't be decked out as easily and redraw into master warcraft then cast Oblation (which isn't even in Carl's deck?), get it ricocheted, let it resolve with both targets, destroy signet with thunder, then return to dust if Jamin tries to counter thunder with the counter on the stack (this leaves exactly 2 counterspells still accessible, flusterstorm/scattering stroke and spell crumple with vision skeins). In this situation Jamin can't get spell crumple again and cast it to counter because Carl can cast sulfurous + beam which Jamin needs to counter then he can cast comet storm for game. So this leads to the situation where Jamin can't counter thunder then Carl tries to terminate his own Kaalia. If Jamin counters it then Carl can cast sulfurous blast and cleansing beam in response which would wipe almost all of the board, Jamin can't activate Brian because he has no mana so he has to attempt to cast vision which runs into comet storm X=a bajillion. There's a lot that I missed but Carl could maneuver himself into a win with extremely careful play if he knew the deck list and counter amount beforehand. Even having this much time to work it out I still haven't considered all possible ways Jamin could play it and how Carl works through everything to cast storm when Jamin has no counterspells for it, comet storm also had to end the game or Jamin won with killing Carl through damage and essentially decking out Fele with Jotun grunt and skyscribing every turn or slowly killing him through damage which he could do very little about. This game was a beautiful mess of complicated interactions lmao

@@anamedninja5536 The funny part is Master Warcraft doesn't even do anything at all. There are no blockers, so he can't choose what creatures block or how. All creatures must attack, so he can't choose any choice other than "all creatures attack". And it doesn't let you choose *who* creatures attack, only which creatures attack. The card had literally 0 text on it.

You were playing YuGiOh Rush Duels before it existed?

Yeah me thinks they are finally getting budget again

I swear its always like that with Thoralf in commander, its almost like everyone knows he's a pro player....

😎

If the Warhammer game is anything to go by, that's normal for Thoralf.

@@chuckwagon3718 what happened in that game if you don’t mind me asking?

Thoralf is a competitive player at heart, so in most of pur commander games he goes to big too fast and attracts the ire of the table :) no one is bothered, he's generally not sad about it, that's just how he likes to play

He played a Sol Ring round one. He knew it had to happen....

Not really, just cast one of the huge bunch of sorceries, instants, enchantments, or literally any type of spell that do create crratures token. And even if that would be considered creatures, there are a bunch of spells that allow you to "win the game" (literally) with one creature cast or not a single one

@@xaropevic7918Which is exactly how ygo plays out.

I LOVE this idea. Megadeck. That rules!!

That sounds a bit like the concept of a Battlebox! You should check it out. It's a really quick, easy and fun way to use any cards that don't fit elsewhere and have fun memories 😊

u invented dandan

@@FartRainbows huh

@@FartRainbows Well, I don't even think we had dandan back then, it was around Unlimited and 4th edition. It was more related to having a hand of Leviathan, Erham Djinn and Lightning bolt, with all swaps and plains in the board.

I was kidding :) I have no idea why we were picking on thoralf here. Probably a little bit out of habit, but mostly to keep the video short 😅

I'm thrilled that you enjoy them :)

For examples: the number of stars of monsters is the mana value of creatures, and the total colors of creatures you sac for summoning must cover the colors of the creature you are summoning

They did a Momir video a while ago iirc