We SOLVED Why Loki Is Not a Frost Giant In the TVA

We SOLVED Why Loki Is Not a Frost Giant In the TVA - Marvel Theory

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@mrdonetx 4 ай бұрын

Before Odin died he said "my son's" Loki looked at Odin with an inquisitive and surprised look. Knowing Odin was about to die and had no reason to keep up a lie he finally accepted and believed Odin was his father. Thus making the spell permanent and unbreakable. Just like doctor strange telling them good luck unlocking a dead man's spell when they came for the time stone.

@nayeonranghae 4 ай бұрын

but that was post avengers loko though

@Robin-be1zm 4 ай бұрын

that's not the Loki in the TVA

@mrdonetx 4 ай бұрын

@@Robin-be1zm correct but the Loki in the TVA has seen that time line. Probably when he learned to control the time slipping. Thus having the same exact effect. Theoretically all the Loki's are one now except for Sylvie because she is a Nexus being.

@TheChannelWithNoReason 4 ай бұрын

@@mrdonetx thank you somebody gets it!

@floeazy517 4 ай бұрын

it's loki acting like a camilion I'm telling u love yall

@RyanHaney55 4 ай бұрын

I think Odin was just THAT strong. There's as reason Thanos didn't go after the Infinity stones himself until after Odin died. Odin probably transfigured Loki permanently. That's probably why Loki on Party-Thor's What If episode was so tall.

@gubjorggisladottir3525 4 ай бұрын

According to the Nordic Myth stories... Loki is a shape-shifter. When he is a female humanoid - he is a female. When he changes himself into a mare, he becomes pregnant with Sleipnir. That means that he is an Asgardian most of the time. He quite possible was a "giant" while his spouse was Angurboða. He must have been able to change his own "genetic information" (genes - the A-T and G - C of DNA). As he has spent a lot of time as an Asgardian he is likley more comfortable being one that he is being anything else.

@JadeAislin 4 ай бұрын

I have my own theory, that would also explain why there are so many different looking variants of Loki in the "sacred timeline". I think your second option of it being Loki and him seeing Hela in Odin's mind may be true. After all, he does look similar to her. Additionally, Sylvie, the Loki variant who was on the run most of her life, has two major magics she does, possession and reading a person's memory. Since, no one taught her, reading memories could have been innate. In addition to that, in actual Norse mythology, Loki was known for his shape changing ability. Not illussion, but shape changing ability. So is it possible that Loki shape changed his form to fit more closely to that of his new family. And that form became how he saw himself, thus it became permanent. Only extreme cold or frost giant relics could cause that form to break, either to keep himself alive or because it was his mind trying to reveal the truth. It would explain why there was an alligator Loki, if that is how he saw himself, he would remain an alligator., even without magic as that is the form he took. I don't think it would take magic to retain a form, especially if Loki believed that was his natural form.

@drteef8922 4 ай бұрын

What if loki was never really a frost giant? Like you said.maybe he ended up there and assumed there form with his shapeshifting! Maybe thats why he never grew...and thats why silvy and all others wernt frost giants or mentioned it

@cheifareno4924 4 ай бұрын

pretty sure the aligator loki was from a timeline where everyone is an animal, like the frog thor

@JadeAislin 4 ай бұрын

@@cheifareno4924 oh. I assumed frog Thor was a Loki prank.

@kaithorenfawkes-rj5nr 4 ай бұрын

I would like to know why Marvel decided to throw the Eddas ( both Poetic and Prose) out the window. They should have incorporated more of the actual myths instead of making it up like children do. Now people think Marvel's version is the true myth when it's not.

@aceknight6358 3 ай бұрын

@@kaithorenfawkes-rj5nr Nobody should be mistaking comic super heroes for classic myths and if it is happening it is no excuse to not write new inspired stories.

@shadowpheonix787 4 ай бұрын

Now that we know Loki is the center of Yggdrasil, it's also possible the version hosting the multiverse together is the one making that change to him the entire time. This would also hint that when he gets emotional, his powers start to overpower what his Yggdrasil version can manifest on him, letting it the Jotun appearance.

@ZyliceLiddell 4 ай бұрын

Oh *MAN* what a reveal that would be! He always *HAS* been an important character but if *this* version was guiding and influencing himself the whole time, it would be *AMAZING!*

@Sienisota 4 ай бұрын

I think it was Loki who did it initially. Then, under the guise of teaching Loki magic, Frigga also made changes on Loki as he grew. Slowly, piece by piece, Frigga turned Loki's shift permanent, to the point that unless Loki was directly touched by Jotun magic, Loki would always automatically be an Aesir. I also think Loki's own shapeshift to humanoid forms doesn't need upkeep, only the initial burst of magic during a shift. That's why Loki doesn't "shift back" when his magic is bloked: He only needs magic to change, but not in order to stay changed.

@octaviasaenz6666 4 ай бұрын

What if Loki wasn't even descended from the frost giants, and was only found on Jotunheim by Odin by circumstance? Like, everyone takes at face value that Laufey was Loki's biological father, but there's no mother around so could Loki have simply been a foundling that Odin took as a war trophy? Dude's made of, like, Time nowadays so who knows what his genetic makeup even is.

@KrakeAFK 4 ай бұрын

Okay... so.. they have changed abit from the original norse mythology.. Loki parent's are the giant's Farbauti (the father) and Laufey (the mother). But in the norse mythology, Hela and Fenrir is Loki's children. Which they obviously aint in Marvel.

@JacobHJones 4 ай бұрын

@@KrakeAFK as far as we know…Hela could very well be the daughter of God of Stories Loki from season 2 finale…maybe when he assembles the multiversal avengers he has a daughter, then when Odin visits the tree of life for knowledge and wisdom, he meets Loki, the creator of the tree. Loki then sends his now adult daughter with Odin, back to Asgard with the knowledge and wisdom needed to complete the time loop ensuring Loki’s time slipping transcendence and Odin’s forethought to take Loki from the Frost Giants as a baby and make him Asgardian, ensuring he will eventually become the same man he confers with at the tree of life outside of time.

@FunkyJabroni 4 ай бұрын

Baby Loki was found by Odin on a sacrificial alter because he was too small to be a frost giant and was about to be deleted. The reason Loki didn't have frost powers without that frost box was because he didn't grow up on Jotunheim and wasn't subjected to evolving on an ice planet. Also, when Oden touched his face, he transferred some of the Oden Force to him, making him a true Asgardian and his son at the same time. It was all very simple to understand and explained very straightforwardly. There isn't any mystery about it.

@JacobHJones 4 ай бұрын

Odin knows to do this after visiting Yggdrasill. He meets his adult future son, The God of Stories, Loki. Loki tells his story to Odin and then Odin takes this information and enforces it when he finds Loki on Jotenheim. He takes Loki and makes him Asgardian, ensuring thousands of years of life. The necessity that allows Loki to eventually master time slipping, change He Who Remains’ equation, create the tree of life and complete the loop of what has already happened for Odin. Odin would have been made aware of the Sacred Timeline through Loki’s story of his life. Completing the loop and ensuring the safety of all of their timelines.

@surajpremkumar 4 ай бұрын

I need to put this out.. Loki isn’t laufeys son.. he is indeed odins son. I think Odin and lokis mom had something going on. Think with this perspective and all will fall in place.

@DJ.N 4 ай бұрын

Then Odin should’ve said that to Loki when he found out he was a frost giant

@Sienisota 4 ай бұрын

@@DJ.N And let Frigga find out?

@DJ.N 4 ай бұрын

I thought this was silly at first but actually I’m starting to buy into this theory

@herreaper486 4 ай бұрын

Hey, it’s a possibility that could be why there was a war between the Asguard and the Frost Giants. Maybe that’s what it what it was. Oh, and Loaffys wife we’re secretly hooking up?? Hey never know. And maybe that was what start of the war that also could bear merit on why Loki was so small when he was born?

@Iceflkn 4 ай бұрын

Odin said Loki was born smaller than all Frost Giants. That means he was never going to grow to be that big and magic was not necessary to keep him small.

@backwoodskings1624 4 ай бұрын

Except what if is cannon

@kivimik 3 ай бұрын

@@backwoodskings1624 Except that "what if" means exactly that. "What if Loki was a full Frost Giant?" It doesn't negate what Odin said.

@backwoodskings1624 3 ай бұрын

@@kivimik except Loki has always been a full frost gaint, now i don’t know about you, but I don’t know how to change my height and skin colour without using science or magic, which he had neither of when he first got to the tva

@kivimik 3 ай бұрын

@backwoodskings1624 We're talking about comic books, films, and movies here. Science has little to do with it, and "canon" can change depending on who's producing it.

@backwoodskings1624 3 ай бұрын

@@kivimik since when are we talking about comics, also we’re talking about the t a, the place that’s supposed to be run on science, that’s why Loki has no magic there. If Loki has no magic he should have reverted to the gaint blue character from what it, or just blue skin like Thor 1.

@sersastark 4 ай бұрын

I absolutely believe Friggya did it.

@mitros4 4 ай бұрын

Do you mean Freyja/Freya, Thor's mother?

@olivergaither 4 ай бұрын

In Thor the child is seen transforming into an Asgardian looking child during the battle against the Frost Giants, Freya wasn’t present

@Sienisota 4 ай бұрын

I think it is Loki's own natural shapeshifting ability: He was a baby in distress, and *instinctively* shapeshifted to the same species as the person (Odin) who picked him up (like a baby cries instinctively, in order to receive help). The shapeshift itself needs magic while turning, but once shifted, Loki's body doesn't need magic to maintain the shift. When Loki gets touched by a Jotun or an artefact, his magic responds by starting to shift him back as a protection mechanism... At most, I think Odin might've locked Loki's ability so that he can't naturally and willingly return to his original form casually while a child. That way, Loki forgets what he was originally, and never knows he can "shift back". Since magic is only needed in the initial shapeshift, Loki would look like Aesir, even in situations where he can't access his magic.

@ZombieReese 4 ай бұрын

Loki was a small frost giant and was abandoned

@olivergaither 4 ай бұрын

“The runt that was thrown away” was the term Odin used when telling Loki about his true history

@Sienisota 4 ай бұрын

But in the What If, Odin returned Loki to Layfey, and Loki grew tall. That would indicate that either frost fiant babies are always small when born. Or that if Loki had grown in his native environment (eating food meant for his species, having magic of his native realm), he would have grown up and catched up with others.... Like a human premature baby: They are sometimes born ridiculously small, but if they survive, the human baby will catch up with their peers and be the same size as any other human.

@permeus2nd 4 ай бұрын

I’m sticking to my headcanon that Loki is half Asgardion half frost giant and that Friga is his real mum not his adopted mum but Odin isn’t the dad. I like this idea as it makes him and Thor brothers in blood as well as by bond, I mean you don’t need blood to make a family but it’s a nice link for Loki and Thor.

@Antifag1977 4 ай бұрын

I had a similar thought only I'd have Loki be the child of Friggs late sister. So basically she's his aunt by blood...still a close enough relation that she'd instinctually mother him. . Loki's mum is totally Tabula Rasa - blank slate! A golden opportunity for writers should they want to explore her someday. If they do here's hoping they get it right.

@LordBrittish 4 ай бұрын

It’s called his residual self image. You know, like The Matrix.

@dorionnelson2883 4 ай бұрын

Frost giant Loki would be cold

@IFledFromKansas 4 ай бұрын

Haha for reals

@EJAYTheBHB 4 ай бұрын

Lol. I see what you did there.

@marcusoates5523 4 ай бұрын

Good one

@aryankumar4683 4 ай бұрын

I think, odin actually permanantly changed his DNA, but he kept the antifreezing mechanism as obv it is good, thats why when loki is about to freeze he turns blue as a profective mechanism that was left in him intentionally by odin . Thats why only he can use the cascet kf ancient winters, as if someone else does it they will freeze, so in short if u want a blue loki Put him in a freezer.

@kurahashikakeru 4 ай бұрын

I think Loki looking into others’ memory is innate. Sylvie grew up alone and her main ability is tapping people’s memories.

@Persephone7243 4 ай бұрын

Another theory is that the spell that Odin or Fregga, whoever cast it, was so strong that it acted like a mould that shaped Loki as he grew into it. Eventually Loki grew into that form as an individual, imbibing those characteristics into his innate identity, irrespective of his genetic. Since the spell that moulded Loki’s form/ appearance was inspired by Hel, Odin’s first child, there are many similarities to the two.

@olivergaither 4 ай бұрын

In Thor Loki was described as “the Runt that was thrown away” meaning he would be smaller than the rest of his species

@SuperZekethefreak 4 ай бұрын

In the actual Nordic Eddas, we need to understand a single moment. Loki is called Anu, aka Uranus, and he is the King of the old order of Titans, which includes all of the giants of every type. Loki is trying to help Odin's father Borr learn how to astrally project. Odin comes upon the scene and thinks that his father is dead and goes into a rage. He curses Loki's son Velli to become the wolf Fenrir, who kills his own brother Narfi, later named Ve or Shrine for the grave they dig for Narfi. Loki has a hot body red haired wife who is deeply in love with him and tries to help him through his punishment where Odin causes poison to drip drip drip on Loki's face for eternity. For Odin's crimes against an innocent man, Loki curses all of Asgard to Ragnorak. Odin tries to avoid it many times, even losing his eye to gain the wisdom on how to avoid the great war, but alas he can't. Instead he learns how to travel through time and relives a part of his life, choosing to die just before Ragnorak so Fenrir doesn't eat him, because that was Loki's prophecy. In all of this, Loki was never a Frost Giant. I have no idea where Marvel ever came up with that idea in the first place. He was the king of the Vanirr or the Titans, just as Uranus and Anu had been, and Loki is blatantly called Anu in the Nordic Eddas. So, in the MCU, I think Odin regrets what he did to Loki and realizes he acted rashly. He actually goes to war against the Frost Giants simply to retrieve Loki's soul, and he uses magic to turn Loki back into his real form, not that of a Frost Giant.

@returnofhorusthegalacticor9704 4 ай бұрын

Loki is the sky god of sky gods? Anu Uranus

@returnofhorusthegalacticor9704 4 ай бұрын

@@SuperZekethefreak where are you getting this information from because Odin or Ymir is the Norse equivalent of Anu or Uranus can you send me the link of the Nordic Ed’s ye reading?

@returnofhorusthegalacticor9704 4 ай бұрын

@@SuperZekethefreak oh didn’t know

@SakiBlablabla 3 ай бұрын

The fuck are you talking about, real Loki’s parents Laufey and Farabauti, both Jottun, therefore he to is a Jottun , which is not a big deal , Odin himself is half Jottun , Thor is 3 quarters Jottun , actually every Norse gods are descendants of Jottuns , cause Jottuns are Imir’s first borns aka the primordial gods. The forces of nature, while the Aesir are the gods who mirror human civilization and rule over/represent the human realm. Jottun rule over nature like all primordial gods do. It the question of the power of man over nature and the power of nature over man. Loki is considered an Aesir because he is Odin’s sword brother, Odin did a boold pact with Loki to always welcoming him as his table as a sign of gratitude for saving his life. Vili did not become Fenrir , Vili , Vali and Fenrir are three different entities. Vili is Odin’s brother , and also considered an avatar of Odin himself as he is sometimes considered a triple god , Ve is the third one. Vali is Narfi’s twin brother and the half Aesir legitimate son of Loki , Narfi and VAli’s mother is Sigyn, an Aesir goddess and Loki’s wife , who did indeed stayed with him and protected him of the poison , in the prison Odin put him in , cause of the hallucinations he had while he (Odin) hanged upside down from a three while bleeding out to death basically. Fenfir is the son of Loki and Angrboda , a Jottun Loki had an affair with. Fenrir is also the full brother of Jormungandr and Hel and the HALF Brother of VAli and Nafri . VAli did not transform into Fenrir , because Odin killed him and used his organs to tight Loki with it in that poisoned cave as retaliation for Loki causing the death of Odin’s favorite and perfect son , Baldr. Even tho …a bitch caused the temporary death of Baldr as retaliation for the emprisonnement and exile of his own children cause Odin had a trip while hanged out and bleeding out upside down from Yggdrasil. That’s one of the reasons he « cursed » everyone out with Ragnarok, among many other injustices dumbass Odin and dumbass friends have done. Odin did not go to the well of Mimir , to the Nornes and Yggdrasil just out off fear to prevent the Volva’s prophecy , but simply cause he was a noisy motherfucker who wanted to know as much as possible of the universe…because knowledge is power . The Voluspa is a self fulfilling prophecy, Ragnarok happened because Odin’s choices and paranoia, he poked Loki out by trapping and exiling his innocent kids who at that time did nothing wrong cause they were kids , cause Odin had a vision. It is this decision made out of paranoia that made Loki decide to give Odin a taste of his own medicine by exiling Baldr, Odin’s son to death , aka Helheim. It is also his decisions of making Tyr betray Fenrir and trap him up that made Fenrir into a feral crazy wolf instead of the intelligence deity he was while he was with Tyr. Odin is the one who decided to drop Jormungandr on Midgard and make him grow up feral and in isolation. And it was Odin’s decision to exile Hel into the realm of the dead , thus creating the Goddess of the dead who later out of resentment of being trapped with the dead for no crime but existing decided to create her own army of zombies to help her father tho fight Odin « I have lost my mind completely » Allfather, also off course since she has been emprisoned in the underworld for no reason and had to find her power and became Quen down there, off course she took Baldr hostage…duh , I mean he was dead , why should he be any different then anyone else , why should she , the goddess of the Dead , let one Dead man walk and not the others. Also Odin is the Allfather because he killed Ymir with his brothers which created earth , which is Ymir’s corpse basically, and then killed most Ymir’s Children cause they were to wild and Ugly which does parallel Zeus and the Titanomachy , yes ,it is a metaphor of Mankind taming nature again ! And Loki is a manifestation of how nature works with us and sometimes it does as it pleases and fucks us over , cause nature is nature and nature does as nature wants, so fuck around and find out ! That’s what Ragnarok is the battle between human civilization and nature and how if fucking logical and ancestral knowledge that if we destroy a part of nature, nature will destroy us ten folds , even with all our knowledge and ability to somewhat tame her temporarily, it will all eventually go back to the wild, as death is inevitable and life fragile …so yeah the Voluspa is a story about Mankind in the form of Odin and temporarily tamed Nature in the form of Loki ans his children , and how Humanity (aka Odin) fucked around and got eaten by the big bad wolf they themselves created !

@Shadowhawkdark 4 ай бұрын

How about another mini-theory. Hela was supposedly trapped ages ago--considering its literal gods we are dealing with, it could legitimately be a nearly infinite time period ago. Maybe 'when he trapped her' it was in a rush or when he was less skilled in whatever powers he was using, so he couldn't do some of the "extra features" he could do much more recently in the timeline. Those extra features he was much more capable of employing when dealing with a near-newborn baby that had plenty of time in a peaceful situation. It might also be that once Hela was imprisoned, any possible "changes" that he might 'want' to be made to the imprisonment might result in either needing to cancel out the imprisonment first, or might represent a moment of weakness that she might be able to break from---or at the least, represented enough of a threat to do so that he wouldn't dare take the chance, just in case it might actually happen.

@juubicortex8178 4 ай бұрын

Maybe marvel has incompetent writers and forgot bout he spell boom mystery solved

@tonygoodwinjr9293 4 ай бұрын

If you wait long enough, the fans will just write it for them anyways

@mrhoogles 4 ай бұрын

in my headcanon cratos is his real dad

@ronp7960 4 ай бұрын

Kratos you mean?

@rajnee.rathore 4 ай бұрын

@@ronp7960Fun fact: There is an actual Greek God named Cratos

@ronp7960 4 ай бұрын

@@rajnee.rathore that actually is a fun fact! I wasn’t aware thank you for the clarification.

@roseheart270 3 ай бұрын

It could also be that Kang himself chose to keep this illusion up at the TVA.

@annabednarska6990 4 ай бұрын

I think it was love, some say: the most powerful magic of all. Odin loved Loki from the first momen and Loki felt it and which caused him to love Odin back so he matched his apparance to look like Odin. So he became Asgardian by love ans choise. Despite their difficult relationship later, Loki's love for Odin (and Thor and Friga) was never doubtfull for me. That's why he never lost his apparance as Asgardian: it wasn't litteral magic at all but Loki's love for his family and his own choise.

@TaoistYang 4 ай бұрын

It could be a combination between whatever 'spell' was cast and Loki's belief, after all he only sees his frost form when his belief is called into question as a result of suffering no damage from the frost attack. We know little of the frost giant's magical abilities but he was raised as a 'god' by the Asguardian royal family. 🙂

@cjlarge420 4 ай бұрын

I needed this information, thanks!

@gregorycroff7443 4 ай бұрын

Loki himself. I wish they didn't choose to make Loki a full sized frost giant in that What If because in the comic he was described as a runt. I always interpreted his skin color change as an instinctive use of his own innate magic, but one could say that innateness allowed him to limit his size growth because of the belief he was an Asgardian. Learning from the other Loki's, it would seem they all have innate magic. The best example is Sylvie teaching herself charm magic. Also, different Loki's specialized. Old Man Loki, for lake of a better description, was the ultimate illusionist. Where as 616 Loki seemed a generalist.

@JamesJones-mg3ts 4 ай бұрын

Perhaps, Loki is Friggya's illegitimate son. He is more like her than Odin himself. That would lend to why Odin favored Thor and, perhaps, he simply took Friggya's illegitimate son as a baby from the Frost Giants that just abandoned him. He may not even be part Frost Giant but innately just took their look when in their company (without the size itself). That would make Odin Loki's step father and a mystery of who his true biological father is but Friggya's true son (which is why Friggya was able to share the knowledge of how to harness their magical abilities they shared through a common heritage). Although it's 'said' that he was Laufey's son, it didn't appear Laufey ever acted like it. I have to wonder if this was a tryst between Friggya and Laufey. Perhaps Laufey was ashamed of the result (Loki) given not being the stature of a full blood Frost Giant (just leaving the baby abandoned for Odin to find and take him off conveniently... problem solved). That may have left Oden being the somewhat resentful step father that, in the end, he had come to terms with and fully acknowledging Loki equally with Thor as his sons without favor.

@carlosgarza400 4 ай бұрын

What if it's actually a mixture of the two

@JacobHJones 4 ай бұрын

The war between Asgard and Jotenheim was all about Loki. Nothing else. I know for a fact that Odin was aware of Loki’s status of God of Stories…Laufey finds out and the war over the child who will become the Master of the Multiverse begins. It’s a miniature version of the Kang multiversal war. Odin visits Yggdrasil and finds his son Loki, the God of Stories. Loki tells Odin his story. Odin knows to preserve 616’s timeline, Loki MUST be Asgardian. The war starts and Odin takes baby Loki, makes him Asgardian and when Odin dies, he says “my sons”. Loki realizes he is truly Odinson and his path is set to become the being at the end of time that Odin meets and acquires knowledge and wisdom from, preserving the loop and ensuring the safety of the timeline. Odin’s past, Loki’s future… every variant of Loki 616 and possibly every variant of Loki ever, besides nexus being such as Sylvie, are made permanently Asgardian, enabling them to master time slipping and eventually overthrow He Who Remains and become the being who creates the tree of life. The loop is complete and the safety of Earth-616 is cemented, for all time, always.

@cosmiccollector7586 4 ай бұрын

If Loki looked into Odin's memories, I wonder if seeing that Odin's mother Bestla was a Frost Giantess would have also affected him. Also, all Jotuns or Frost Giants don't have blue skin. Some just look like bigger Asgardians.

@Persephone7243 4 ай бұрын

I would like to believe that we have the power to create our own reality in terms of who we are as an individual entity. We send our lives shaping ourselves into who we want to be/become like by the choices we make. Loki’s appearance might be a reflection of his aspirations, which are similar to but not the same as those of Hel, his adoptive sister. Therefore there is a lot of similarities between the two characters appearances. Now these similarities are meant to be more in terms of their minds, spirit, soul etc. or whatever you believe is our inner most identity. But since this is such a sublime concept, the best way for marvel to depict it was through their literal appearance. We don’t spend enough time with Hel to understand her inner monologue and therefore can’t draw similarities between Loki and Hel on a more subconscious level. But one look at them and it becomes evident that they have something in common. The intention is not the green color in their costumes but the jealousy and anger that it represents in them. After all people with similar experiences/ desires often have similar preferences in other aspects of life as well. Since Lokis appears as an Asgardian is an innate part of this identity as an individual irrespective of his heritage, it did not disappear when he entered the TVA or even when he died. Throw in a little magic and some alien genetic to justify the best way to represent a complex thought visually. After all a single picture can communicate thousand words.

@Mammothtruk 4 ай бұрын

if you notice all Loki have slightly different or sometimes drastically different appearances. I seems Loki's own inner self becomes his outer appearance. it would seem he is as he sees himself, male/female, asgardian/frost giant/troll/ect. even an alligator sometimes it would seem. its the only explanation that fits. innate ability.

@KenpachiX420 4 ай бұрын

It was Loki, Overseer of the multiverse and all of Time, that cast the spell.

@garyD89 4 ай бұрын

Good stuff

@apollolight8223 4 ай бұрын

I think the spell he casted was there so long it never vanished. Think about how long the Asgardians live. The spell he casted lasted from Lokis child hood to his God hood before he realized his true origins. The spell became embedded eventually. He could turn frost giant but not the giant version. More of a smaller version without the ice power.

@chiyannadanielle5849 3 ай бұрын

I think it's Loki's own subconscious magic. As a baby he cast it, shape-shifting to be an Asgardian as Odin held him with love. And growing up in their society he continued to have this form, never truly coming out of it, (even when holding the Casket of Winters he still remained small). Because even when he learned the truth, he still thought of himself as Asgardian, which is why he sought to kill the rest of the Frost Giants. Since it was a shape-shifting spell, it would take magic to come out of it and shift to something else, but takes none for it to remain. It is his chosen form, and it will remain as long as he wants it to. Perhaps always.

@alexd8532 4 ай бұрын

I dont think all of odins spells die when he dies, just a spell as powerful as the imprisonment of hela, since the worthiness spell he cast on mjolnir is still in effect even after he died

@elandiduedarum2093 3 ай бұрын

While the MCU doesn't go this way much, love is often portrayed as an exceptionally powerful magical force. The love of and for his Asgardian family could have been a key factor in the transmutation(not illusion) spell's permeance.

@anubusx 4 ай бұрын

Frost Giant and proud.

@Optometrynerd 4 ай бұрын

Mjolnir still had its spell from Odin after his death

@AzzMonkeysauce03 3 ай бұрын

It would just be so much more simpler if Loki had a frost giant dad and a Asgard mom would just make this whole thing that much simpler

@StardustMagician420 4 ай бұрын

Love this theory

@kiezersosay49 4 ай бұрын

We're going to Jotunheim...

@George-lt1dl 4 ай бұрын

Why did he keep his appearance at the TVA if he is consistently subconsciously holding his appearance?

@toyloliSpare 4 ай бұрын

My personal reason why boy ain't blue, is why Odin looks the same hundreds of years later and Thor didn't stay dadbod. Also possibly Sylvie. Once you achieve godhood you obtain the power to influence your shape. They look like how they imagine themselves. By the time magic is turned back on in the TVA, Loki more accurately identifies with his asgard side than his frost giant. And I can pinpoint where in season one that change happened.

@Antifag1977 4 ай бұрын

Everyone forgets about Loki's bio mom. Loki could be biracial / a hybrid of Frost giant and Asgardian allowing him to alternate his phenotypes based on environment and/or his subconscious. At the very least it's a theory that shouldn't be left out. . For all we know Laufey could've had a liason with some Asgardian woman that made Loki. He was called a "runt" and it was never explained why he was so small especially considering he was a child of the big and powerful king Laufey. . . . . . Everything after this is a pointless rant expanding on a couple ideas. By this point though you get the gist and skip all the rest unless you're just bored and wanna read some crazy rants of comic book theories lol. . . . I could sooooo write a fan fic where Laufey falls for an Asgardian woman and has Loki. But since their worlds hadn't ended the war yet they had to keep it DL. After the war ends a few months later a frost giant finds out and tries to kill unborn Loki and his mom for some misguided notions about the purity of the royal bloodline. They manage to fatally would her but she doesn't die until after birthing Loki. Laufey slays the other frost giant ( thus ridding the world...er worlds... of only other person to know of Loki's secret origin). As the mom dies she begs Laufey to hide Loki's mixed heritage so he won't be plotted against again by the other frost giants. . But after she dies, Laufey takes one look and knows a newborn that small will raise questions and birth rumors and will be abused and ostracized at best no matter what he does. So when he senses Odin approaching He's struck with the inspiration to leave Loki in the path of the recently peace loving Odin believing that the child would fair better as an Asgardian half breed as opposed to the guaranteed hell he'd face as a frost giant halfbreed. . Yes i know there was versions of Loki that got along just fine with his fellow Frost giants but Laufey would be far from the first parent to underestimate their societies ability to accept their biracial kid. . Or maybe Luafey wasn't all Tsundere fatherly love about it and Loki was the unwanted result of a causal rendezvous or even non consensual rape if you wanna go dark with it - (gods are known to do that especially those Greco-Roman ones. I swear the Pantheon of Mt. Olympus can double as a sex offender registry). . Either way the mother dies in childbirth and he ends up with a runt of a kid that he couldn't quite bring himself to kill with his own hands or even order to be killed so he just leaves him to the mercy of the wild where Odin finds him and the rest is Norse history. I . To the one bored person that read this rant, 1 - I'm sorry lol and 2, my point is simply since we don't know who his mum is, Loki being Asgardian AND Frost Giant shouldn't be ruled out.

@AviPFine 4 ай бұрын

I've actually thought something very similar. Good post

@chiyannadanielle5849 3 ай бұрын

I love this rant. This short story of sorts was a good read. Several others have also pointed out this possibility in their own way and I do think it should be considered. Personally, I think it's just Loki's subconscious magic but this is much more interesting.

@laurahoy5202 3 ай бұрын

here could be a nother reason why loki wasn't a frost giant in the TVA "in Norse Mythology Loki was commonly seen to be a shapeshifter. Even in the MCU, he was able to switch in and out of faces with ease. One possibility for why he did not change is because it is new magic that the TVA is immune to and not old magic. "

@averyunkno 2 ай бұрын

We also have to remember that Loki never mentioned that he was a frost giant when interrogated in the first episode of his show, and that’s a pretty strange thing to leave out seeing as how it was the reason he attacked New York. Maybe he was never a frost giant in this universe 🤷

@rjshadow4321 4 ай бұрын

the first could be as simple as Loki was a child while Hela was fully grown and getting close to rivaling Odin himself in power.

@Vitacus 4 ай бұрын

How about Loki is like a chameleon, and that when he was found by Odin he only resembled a Frost Giant because that was who he was initially surrounded by and blending in is a survival mechanism for him. "Hey, I'm one of you. Take care of me and don't hurt me."

@Vamroc 4 ай бұрын

Because for Loki to take his true frost giant form he'd have needed to spend time absorbing the magic of Jotunheim until the change is irreversible

@JacobHJones 4 ай бұрын

“Good luck breaking a dead man’s spell”

@Daddyoh94 4 ай бұрын

Odin had the reality stone when he changed Loki so it changed his appearance to that of an Asgardian

@ladymecha8718 4 ай бұрын

I think all three theories presented has merit, but the Loki one has more weight, because he does be come the multiverse god of stories, so he could have had the power to rewrite his story innately from the beginning. Just look at his various variants on how some look so totally different from each other.

@FunkyJabroni 4 ай бұрын

What If made no sense. If Oden didn't take him he would've been sacrificed for being too small. Ffs Oden foun him on a sacrificial alter. And if he wasn't sacrifed, he would have been a frosted mini, not a frost giant.

@hackman669 4 ай бұрын

Remember my friend it's not the size that matters. Icecream 🍦🍨🍦

@ZackRing 4 ай бұрын

So... Loki has been known in the comics (and mythology) to use a polymorph spell, that he can change himself (and others) into others things. We have Sylvie (female Loki) who changed into a female at some point in her life. In season 1, we have alligator Loki (and frog Thor), not to mention Loki of other races. A Polymorph spell is not something that a simple "Cancel Magic" can remove. It is a spell that changes what something is on a physical level.

@joshuacollins9316 4 ай бұрын

We don’t know that that’s for sure how those variants of Loki ended up like that. Or if they were simply born that way, or by some other means they changed.

@ZackRing 4 ай бұрын

@@joshuacollins9316 Yeah, they were not "born that way" because if something changed in their past that would have had them "born that way" it would have been purged before that Loki was born. Which leaves "Magic"

@herreaper486 4 ай бұрын

How he said magic wasn’t really his strong suit. Now he came to Hela that was like a blood binding /life force hence why once he died she was able to break the threshold. I have a theory of my own that it wasn’t him Odin, who cast those spells it was Frigga. She was raised by witches like Druids and etc. magic that ain’t been seen in so long maybe that’s why it didn’t break because nobody knows how to break it !

@CuevadelRaton 4 ай бұрын

Loki is a shapeshifter, meaning he can control his shape and anatomy on a molecular level, as explained by Thor in the story when he bit him like a snake. Biology does not apply to him, he chooses his biology. Odin probably first shaped it and then his mother taught him how to do it. He chooses to be an Asgardian because he knows that, as far as he knows, he is the "strongest" life form in the universe.

@pixi3005 4 ай бұрын

Remember: loki is famous for being a Shapeshifter 😉

@hackman669 4 ай бұрын

Now it makes sense. 😁

@GHOSTHOUND183 4 ай бұрын

Gotta love all this conjecture regarding a massive plot hole, when the most simple explanation - the writers of the Loki TV show simply forgot (because they're idiots) - is probably the actual reason.

@im2cxe4u 4 ай бұрын

The enchantment on Mjolnir is quite powerful and lasts past Odin's death.

@misminjirplays8910 4 ай бұрын

I think Loki was always the Multiversal Being from the start. Grew the Multiverse, dealt with the Mortals warring across the branches and chose one of the Kangs to protect a single 'seed' until his own rearrival to take back the throne. What if He Who Remains had this all explained to him from the Loki before him? What if there will always be a Loki then Kang and then back to Loki again? I think it's cyclical in this manner.

@misminjirplays8910 4 ай бұрын

So I like the second theory, where he subconsciously takes the form that will better enable him to survive until his possible ascension.

@ivarramirezpaulsen8212 4 ай бұрын

I Believe In A mix of Two and three. assin overlapping

@nkrose8177 4 ай бұрын

Loki was a runt among the Frost Giants, which is why he was abandoned. He wasn’t going to grow to be a giant

@faithleger5603 4 ай бұрын

Who hears things that Loki was already half Asgardian considering he was smaller than the other Frost Giants when a baby

@AgentExeider 3 ай бұрын

or theory number four, the show runners just forgot, or hoped that YOU forgot so they didn't have to put Tom Hiddleson in makeup. In all seriousness though, theory number two seems the most likely since Sylvie's ability to enchant was born from an innate ability that she taught herself how to do.

@kingbruke 4 ай бұрын

The magic is the writers paid for this actors look

@craigsutter8900 4 ай бұрын

The god of stories made the story he wished to have. He controls time at the end of the series and could manipulate anything he wished to happen after that.

@tonywhite9873 4 ай бұрын

Loki had rune magic carved into his bones by Odin.

@cosmicriptid 4 ай бұрын

I just don't think it was an illusion. He just took that form, and the power of jotunheim caused him to change forms again

@scotthallgv 4 ай бұрын

Or....did Odin try and create peace with the Frost Giants by brokering a marriage between Hella and one of the Frost Giants. Hella then had a baby that was half Asgardian and half Frost Giant and that baby was Loki. Odin then had to take back the child from the Frost Giants and bring him back to Asgard. I dont know how likely this is but its a neat idea that Odin would take Hellas child on as his own after banishing her and thats why Loki has black hair while Thor does not.

@NotUlpoadingAnything 4 ай бұрын

I think Loki shape-shifted to match Odin's appearance as an Asgardian. If Loki and Sylvie needed to keep expending magic to not look Jotun, then they would have both reverted as soon as they entered the TVA. Since that didn't happen, they probably only need magic to activate the transformation, but not to sustain it.

@LMT069 4 ай бұрын

Loki chose his true form, it could have been whatever he wanted, truly wanted, that became his preferred and default form.

@jimparker9345 4 ай бұрын

I think Odin infused some of himself into Loki, creating DNA changes and making him truly Odin's son.

@dellcoc 4 ай бұрын

There is not one shred of evidence to show that Loki is even a full Frost giant, anyway. We have no idea who his mother is.

@jackcowling5969 4 ай бұрын

We know Loki of now the god of story’s and holding together the multiverse and could write his own story. What if its god of story’s Loki re-writing his own story to make him a true son of Odin. Initially Odin magic is what made him look like an asgardian but as Loki aged the asgardian genes where the dominant genes, making him more and more asgardian until you couldn’t tell him apart

@AviPFine 4 ай бұрын

I think it's a combo of Friggas and lokis subconscious. I believe loki is a hybrid as well. Who is the mother biologically however isn't obvious yet.

@johankacook 4 ай бұрын

Well if i remember corectly one of Loki varianta in TVA folders was Frost giant Loki.... Maybe his nexus event was failing of this othervise permanent And unbreakable charm...

@laurfincher8137 4 ай бұрын

His mother is said to have given Loki some of her magic. I can't remember which movie it is said in.

@jedipadwan20 4 ай бұрын

It was he who remains. The weird part is the woman version of Loki was she a frost giant or born in Asgard?

@bigbadhodad3894 4 ай бұрын

nothing was solved, only a few questions were posed and a few speculations.

@traviskey5695 4 ай бұрын

Odin was slipping a female ice Giant on the side a little bit of that flesh Hammer.

@hackman669 4 ай бұрын

Odin likes frosty women. 😃

@traviskey5695 4 ай бұрын

@@hackman669 better than Eskimo

@hackman669 3 ай бұрын

Are frost women attractive? Wouldn't getting too close to one be like cutting an iceberg? 😁 🧊⛸🍧🏒❄

@reddragon7762 4 ай бұрын

magic is finicky, is not always about how powerful the caster is. Friga was an expert practictioner, probably with the knowledge that strange even has about spells which is that the conditions of the spells and the layers placed upon them, the conditions to meet and the freedom in such. Im betting frigas spell was more of an enchantment fueled by lokis own powers. May he take the form he so desires under how he feels. (similar to hammer situation but on a person, not object. loki wholy sees himself as asgardian so he is asgardian whereas in whatif he does not so he is not, but other variations of him are either still under the guise or have accepted they are asgardian over frost giant.(loki series)

@brad-cj9zm 4 ай бұрын

wild theory how cool would it be if Loki was the child of hela and the frost giant king.

@jessicawilliams5730 4 ай бұрын

He actually never reverted back

@norajackal259 4 ай бұрын

It's a bit of A it's a bit of B love is the most transformative force and the strongest magic especially by Disney cannon rules. Which means the trwnsmogrifcation of Loki is a bond of magic and love between his two parents and himself. Seeing all Odin loved and how he loved and how Loki was like hella but cold be saved. Odin looking at Loki realizing FINALLY that war wasn't the way it left children alone and afraid turned into tools or cast out. Odin learned of love and together they formed the bridge that was later cemented with his mother and his brother.. Jotens are natural shapeshifters that paired with the Oidin force amplified Lokis natural empathy to make him transform rather than shapeshift. It was this very moment and act that made Odin give up his wars. He was slaughtering people who could he just like him be as sweet and innocent as the baby he now held.

@diegomesquita4700 4 ай бұрын

mithology explain that asgard have the apples of idun capable of extending lifespan fo asgardians and changing others into asgardian.

@AndrewJohnson-oy8oj 4 ай бұрын

Congratulations, you finally figured out what a movie specifically told you, and that everyone else figured out immediately, 14 years ago...

@samw.6158 4 ай бұрын

Maybe it's Odin and Friga's power over the watcher that maintains that appearance !!!! We are the strongest magic the magic of the seers and we maintain his form as we see fit as his adoptive father had set for us to enjoy?

@StardustMagician420 4 ай бұрын

It’s everyone’s magic

@ZyliceLiddell 4 ай бұрын

Here’s a good question: Why didn’t the show ever explain these things properly? They were too busy at the hot cocoa machine. 🙄

@supercoffeemug1921 4 ай бұрын

Ge could be still a Frost Giant that was given powers from Odin. Frost Giants was one of the other beings strong enough to kill Asgaurians, and as they aged they got stronger especially from the King of the Frost Giants linage also Loki was trained by Odins wife the mystical arts.

@chuck7555 4 ай бұрын

We forgetting the lore, that loki and odin combined their blood or sumthin which would explain why he's asgardian, Odin could of done a simple blood transfusion and his Asgardian Dna helped overwrite some of his biology

@joshuacollins9316 4 ай бұрын

What? lol that’s not how blood transfusions work

@Samsquanch1994 4 ай бұрын

If you wouldn't use "I of" please don't use "could of". Other than that, solid theory.