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AMD ushered in the new generation of desktop CPUs with their Ryzen 7000 Series just last month, but Intel is clapping back in a major way with the Core i9-13900K and Core i5-13600K. Can Team Red afford to sit on their AM5/Ryzen laurels? Or will Intel's 13th Gen give them a run for their money… and customers? Find out by watching our review!
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0:00 Intro
0:49 The Architecture
2:06 The Chipset
2:45 Our Testing Setup
3:05 Gaming Benchmarks
4:50 The thing about 4K benchmarks...
5:28 More Gaming benchmarks
7:00 The 4090 changes everything!
7:49 Productivity Benchmarks
10:25 What about RAM choice?
11:15 Thermals & Power
12:22 Intel's claims EXAMINED
14:38 outro

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@LinusTechTips Жыл бұрын

Sorry for the mislabeled charts around 1:00. We actually fixed these before publishing but the old versions made it into the video. We are examining our processes so that we don't have these issues in the future. We hope to release a new version of this video with the fixes implemented right away.

@notapplicable4186 Жыл бұрын

I'm sending your sponsors harassing messages because you let a morbidly obese guy segment them

@PrairieDad Жыл бұрын

As a video editor, I feel your pain.

@TruFire710 Жыл бұрын

Wow a fix within an hour, impressive. 👍

@AdyaGD Жыл бұрын

damn its just a small error no need to do all that extra work lol

@sid6645 Жыл бұрын

Yeah no wonder the graph felt off. Also, second graph mistake in a row? Maybe the second video being super graph heavy skews the chances a bit :v

@Photo0021 Жыл бұрын

Felt like 12th gen came out a week ago and 11th gen a few months ago. Time flies.

@JayMac Жыл бұрын

Dude i feel like i just put my 10700k in my pc like a year ago

@chendurkumar3853 Жыл бұрын

But I feel very long because I tried to built 12600k pc built 2 month before but I see the leak 13600k specs and benchmarks so I wait 2 Months like 2 years

@the_royticus2429 Жыл бұрын

@@JayMac you did 😢

@snaxman Жыл бұрын

meanwhile im still rockin a 7700k LOL

@joegaston7148 Жыл бұрын

Really does

@gracicot42 Жыл бұрын

Factorio is an interesting benchmark since it's a game made with extremely modern techniques in term of memory management and cache use, and also the sheer amount of things the game is keeping up

@Multithreadi7 Жыл бұрын

I never thought I would ever see Factorio in a CPU Benchmark on any big Tech Channel

@gracicot42 Жыл бұрын

@@Multithreadi7 Yeah same! But super big factories with tons of belts and trains are a true CPU benchmark. Also the game is making really good use of CPU cache

@mountbikejeff Жыл бұрын

Really happy to see factorio used int he benchmark as that's the kind of game I play a lot of.

@skorpid-tm4531 Жыл бұрын

They should also try benchmarking satisfactory it's a 3d factory game similar to factorio but a lot better by coffee stain studios

@mayube9292 Жыл бұрын

Factorio is entirely single-threaded, save for I believe multiplayer networking. The real benefits of a Factorio benchmark are how heavily reliant it is on both CPU Cache and RAM speeds.

@VcrThunder Жыл бұрын

i'm upgrading from a 3770K to a 13600k. That is a 10 generation gap. 3770k has been used almost every day for 10 years. it has to have like well over 25 000 hours of use. and out of sheer respect for the 3770k i'm getting another intel cpu.

@iElite6809 Жыл бұрын

that's mad. respect for holding out that long... I've been using a 4690K for 7 ish years now, although I've just got a newer laptop to use as my main machine now!

@guatemalantomcat Жыл бұрын

That's a legendary chip, man. I'd keep it on display on my desk if i were u.

@jakubjandourek2822 Жыл бұрын

So I still have a 3770K too. It runs 24/7 all the time. But the upgrade will be green. :-)

@Gentoo701 Жыл бұрын

Bro i litterally upgrading from Intel core 2 Q6600 to i7 13700k. It's 14-15 generation gap. Holy $h1t.

@iElite6809 Жыл бұрын

@@Gentoo701 man why and how did you wait so long? that poor Q6600 must have been seriously sweating to do anything since about 2017... that's about a 15x increase in multi core performance, wild

@garwynrosser8907 Жыл бұрын

We should all be thankful to AMD for this Intel chip. Without AMD it would not of been out for at least 5 more years.

@JohnCena-yu4mj Жыл бұрын

of been ? of what ?

@DJElixir Жыл бұрын

ya if amd just didn't make 7000 series earlier intel would kill themselves

@Mike-jv8bv Жыл бұрын

competition makes the world go round. the threat of loosing marketshare forces companies to innovate. He who does not work does not eat. it's as simple as that.

@Dexion845 Жыл бұрын

@@Mike-jv8bv Well said

@ggamer7830 Жыл бұрын

All hail AMD 🎉 (sarcasm)

@joelhowe Жыл бұрын

I’d love to see more strategy games in your CPU benchmarks. A huge population in Cities: Skylines or Anno or something similar. A lot of action titles just don’t stress the CPU enough, as you mentioned.

@londospark7813 Жыл бұрын

Yes! Cities: Skylines (vanilla and modded) as well as Anno and Planet Coaster/Zoo would be amazing

@Mentox2 Жыл бұрын

Also Stellaris lategame really stresses the CPU.

@fweaks Жыл бұрын

At the very least, Factorio (assuming a mega base) should be putting similar load to an RTS/Macro-SIM. But yes, a few more variants would be nice.

@CQIsMe Жыл бұрын

I'm glad total war made it on there. But if they want to really stress the cpu they need to benchmark campaign end turn times rather than just the battle benchmark.

@Historymaking101 Жыл бұрын

Crusader Kings with everybody getting married population explosion

@factorio3375 Жыл бұрын

Yes we're always on the look out for which new chips can run our factories the fastest (which also tend to be the best for compiling and developing the game).

@xmlthegreat Жыл бұрын

LOL u guys

@keppycs Жыл бұрын

I don't get the chart. How do you even benchmark a game that runs at 60 ups?

@owl1796 Жыл бұрын

Crazy

@JackFruh Жыл бұрын

Factorio is one of the best games ever!

@SkyscreamArts Жыл бұрын

Hahahah... you deserve a medal @factorio xD

@papsny Жыл бұрын

Before, $1500 could get you a high end PC. Nowadays, $1500 only gets you a high end graphics card. I used to be able to afford the latest and greatest. Now I am upgrading 1-2 generations behind the latest and greatest, the gains aren't significant and the games I play are the same. Great work and input on the video!

@chrisk1458 Жыл бұрын

Maybe everything improves except yourself. Get a better job crylord

@Mike-jv8bv Жыл бұрын

that being said technically today you are getting way more bang for your buck per transistor. not only that pc's today are far more powerful and capable than ones in the past.

@cadeng8168 Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I just bought a 3090 because my coworker was selling it for $600. I was so excited, but as soon as it booted up, I just wanted to go back to playing hollowknight lol. I also played some metro exodus to see the performance gains, but its all just a bit of a rat race. Im still just gonna play left 4 dead 2 tonight

@drumyogi9281 Жыл бұрын

@@cadeng8168 Same. Upgrading from a 4770 soon. Only performance I care about is vr for Blade And Sorcery ect.

@blinksone2768 Жыл бұрын

But by today's standards even budget builds gets you much more quality, performance and more advanced than the high end pc's 10-15 years ago.

@DizzyedUpGirl Жыл бұрын

This makes me feel so much better about getting the 13700. If Anthony says it's good, I'm here for it. I trust him with my life.

@AlexanderMichelson Жыл бұрын

What about supporting the little guy? AMD I mean.

@AlexanderMichelson Жыл бұрын

@Måns Westerling I guess that's true, which is a bit weird considering that AMD has much smaller cpu and gpu market share.

@SpregioCheeks Жыл бұрын

AMD pulled a big guy move with little guy stats. But, I preciate them to get Intel to rethink their costs.

@myjizzureye Жыл бұрын

You can't trust him around an unlocked fridge.

@2drealms196 Жыл бұрын

@@AlexanderMichelson AMD is still the little guy. Intel still generates multiple times the profits and multiple times the cashflow and multiple times the revenue of AMD. The amount of chips they sell dwarfs AMD and they have multiple times the workforce of AMD. You are just looking at market cap. Stock price is just what investor are willing to trade the stock for. Its the same reason Tesla is valued 2x Toyota despite selling 1/10th the vehicle. Tesla is still the underdog, investor are just speculating eventually will be no1. Right now Intel is building out fabs, instead of using those earning to pay larger dividends to investors, so that is also impacting their share price. AMD also has more room to grow given it has much lower marketshare while intel is already big and overall dominates across the bigger picture (enterprise, laptop, etc). Investor are also concerned that Intel's hundred billion poured into fabs is somewhat risky, since they are competing against TSMC, the dominant player in the pureplay Fab industry.

@reallyman7131 Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait to get a 4090 and a 13900k so I can replace my space heater with something more useful

@ChineseCommunistParty. Жыл бұрын

4090 and 13900k is the new sun.

@TheRealsemaJ Жыл бұрын

I mean, who needs to buy a space heater that draws 1500 watts, when you can get a pc that draws 1000 watts AND provides entertainment

@ThZuao Жыл бұрын

Cold winter+13900+4090+a blanket (or a poncho. Really. Try it) = we're going to need a benchmark for comfyness.

@bradhaines3142 Жыл бұрын

where i live its summer 10 months out of the year (80F today) so the last thing i want is a space heater

@lucaskreft86 Жыл бұрын

@@ChineseCommunistParty. external 2x480mm custom loop rad out the window?

@raghavbali3671 Жыл бұрын

This guy is simply the best. The narration, the knowledge, the execution, the humor, oooof

@nocensorship8092 Жыл бұрын

yes though im concerned for his health

@billdevine1270 Жыл бұрын

He should skip at least one cheeseburger a day for his health. I'm fat too so I can say that. :)

@janreichenbach265 11 ай бұрын

.. AND he's gorgeous !

@Hvanudetfornoget 10 ай бұрын

@@janreichenbach265 Please do not encourage extreme obesity. I wouldnt comment on his weight, but applauding people for being extreme overweight is not OK either.

@quanghuyvu2649 10 ай бұрын

@@Hvanudetfornogethis weight is impressive Same as his knowledge

@konradkoeppl9678 Жыл бұрын

You may have thought of this. To visualize energy use better, you could add watts as a divisor. In short performance /watts. The inverse may work as well. I think a FPS by watt chart will challenge the idea of just chasing CPU performance.

@aydenlaube1943 Жыл бұрын

I mean if you can afford any of these top end cpus an extra 30 dollars on your PSU really shouldn't be a factor, but I understand the cooling argument if that's more of where you were trying to go.

@davideres3787 Жыл бұрын

Hey guys, there's a minor error at 1:26 at the top of the charts, naming all 12th gen CPUs Core i5. Otherwise great video, love the great work you do.

@aternias Жыл бұрын

5800X3D also is 96mb L3 cache, not 25 lol

@egocd Жыл бұрын

This is the third mistake they've made in their videos with charts recently. Quality control seems to be going downhill recently.

@BiggestMichael Жыл бұрын

@@egocd were all human here.

@EirikHaug Жыл бұрын

@@BiggestMichael LTT is like 50 humans or how many people they employ now

@chocogr2024 Жыл бұрын

@@egocd Mistakes happen. Don't they make like, 5 videos a week at LMG?

@GSBarlev Жыл бұрын

So what I'm getting from this is that EVGA chose a *great time* to focus on their PSU line of business.

@evilbred974 Жыл бұрын

EVGA is just a dead company walking. They didn't leave GPU because they want to focus on PSU, they left GPU because they're a poorly run company that is probably going to be fighting for its life within the next couple of years.

@brizzled5193 Жыл бұрын

@@evilbred974 I dunno man I have extremely great customer service with them, would be nice to see them not quit the GPU industry and team up with AMD

@ChristianWheel Жыл бұрын

@@evilbred974 While I agree EVGA will face some difficult decisions in the future, saying they're poorly run does not give them enough credit. They are the absolute best OEM, bar none, in terms of customer service and their absence is really felt in the RTX 4000 generation. From the GN video it sounds like when EVGA's time is up it'll be more of a deliberate sunsetting of the company rather than a failure, and I can't speak for everyone, but I can respect that.

@lukesouter9164 Жыл бұрын

@@evilbred974 The company with the top performing GPU skus of every generation. (Seriously, go check ANY historical chart of TimeSpy Extreme, and you'll see 100% EVGA cards). The top company trusted by enthusiasts for being the only one to have consistent customer support. That company is a poorly run one? K, cool. As someone who's been a customer of EVGA of many years they absolutely fucking demolished any other board partner out there. Anyone who's actually spent any time in the industry mourns their loss. EVGA makes very good margins on their PSUs and will likely be successful in that sector as they already have been.

@arcaneace8313 Жыл бұрын

@@evilbred974 uh no. They're the best OEM and they're the only one that isn't run like trash because they stand by their products. It's just working Nvidia means they can't keep doing that without going into red repeatedly because Nvidia are assholes. If EVGA goes under it'll be a sad day because no other OEM is even CLOSE to them when it comes to support and quality.

@bjornej1 7 ай бұрын

is the intel motherbord settings set at intel rekomendation or motherbord overvolting by default?

@fred_2021 Жыл бұрын

This clearly demonstrates significant differences in cpu potential for games at 1080p; but it also shows smaller differences at 1440p - which is of more interest to those concerned with < fps/cpu cost > at those resolutions. Even more so at 2160p.

@mirage809 Жыл бұрын

Now this is glorious. AMD and Intel going neck and neck leapfrogging each other with every release. I'm fully expecting AMD to have 3D vcache chips sitting in the wings to take the crown back. We're rapidly approaching the moment where it doesn't matter which brand of CPU you buy as they're both solid choices and that is the dream for us consumers.

@Aliothale Жыл бұрын

I'd argue Intel still has better out of box driver/software support. Much less problems than AMD each gen.

@raginginferno868 Жыл бұрын

lmao spot on

@piranias Жыл бұрын

yep, intel has better drivers and functions. if the same price = intel.

@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Жыл бұрын

@@piranias for now, Microsoft has to kick it into high gear, and that is out of the hands of AMD.

@zihechen3111 Жыл бұрын

3d doesn’t help 4k gaming

@codywatrous3636 Жыл бұрын

If only the gpu market had this level of competition.

@Drewsterman777 Жыл бұрын

Who knows with RDNa3. AMD could pull out a heck of a lead over Nvidia with it.

@codywatrous3636 Жыл бұрын

Oh that would be awesome. I think we have hope too, with Intel. Hopefully Arc gets another generation.

@sharou7138 Жыл бұрын

i5 13600k >= i7 12700k

@apimar Жыл бұрын

@@codywatrous3636 Yes hopefully, its going to take maybe another 3-5 years but that's if nvidia or amd doesn't have anything up there sleeves.

@tosemusername Жыл бұрын

@@Drewsterman777 You're out of the loop, buddy.

@thomasfx3190 Жыл бұрын

Andrew! Great to see you, haven’t watched any of your videos in awhile, but as always you’re my CPU guru.

@martintilsted6624 Жыл бұрын

It would be really interesting to see the game ai performance(Aka time per turn) for strategy games such as Civilization VI, Galatic civilization 3 and Distant world 2 (End game, 2000 stars) both between the generations, and between Intel and Amd since that is a point where a faster cpu may save you quite some waiting time.

@cameronlamar4373 Жыл бұрын

Nice review! The one thing that keeps bothering me is saying the 13900K costs $589 when that is ONLY the case at Micro Center. This is the price that Intel sells them for in bulk orders of 1000. Most other retailers are selling these chips with at least a 10% price premium

@The0Gizmo Жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm surprised both LinusTechTips and JayzTwoCents missed this. The 13900k is 660 USD on Newegg atm.

@FratStar_ Жыл бұрын

@@randommcranderson5155 Do you not understand that most people don't live near a Microcenter? Yeah let's tell everyone the Microcenter price and when they go to best buy they'll get sticker shock. It's imperative to specify the proper pricing especially when Microcenters are very niche.

@jameslake7775 Жыл бұрын

@@randommcranderson5155 If “readily” is defined as “In person only, in 25 US cities, limit one CPU per 30 days else higher price applies”. I’d call that one retailer’s promo price, not the typical price.

@Will-ik4bk Жыл бұрын

@@randommcranderson5155 microcenter was giving out free ddr5 with the 7950x. So does that now count as part of the msrp? Microcenter is a special case and does not represent actual msrp.

@alexanderschulte8248 Жыл бұрын

@@randommcranderson5155 all the amd fanboys trying to defend their overpriced 7950x. Like why would you compare the prices of the places with the higher prices?

@jimtekkit Жыл бұрын

The consumer CPU scene is so different to what it was 10 years ago. Back in the Intel Ivy Bridge days where the 3770K was the fastest consumer chip, you'd be wowed by an extra 50cb in Cinebench R15. Now even a mid-range CPU has a huge amount of performance.

@cosmic_gate476 Жыл бұрын

I put a 4670k and R9 280x in my first proper build late 2013. They lasted 6 years before I upgraded to a 2700x and 5700. Now I can't imagine having any CPU or GPU for anywhere near that long. Already upgraded my GPU again and now considering AM5 or 5800x3d during the inevitable Christmas sale.

@TheAdamAdy Жыл бұрын

@@cosmic_gate476 Which is insane. I just gave my old Intel 3930k and R9 290 to my sis and she can still play all games at decent fps @1080p

@fynkozari9271 Жыл бұрын

Yeah Way back when Intel fleecing consumers with dual cores lol.

@cosmic_gate476 Жыл бұрын

@@TheAdamAdy You can definitely get away with far older hardware today that back in the day. Tbh even I don't need to upgrade that badly, I'm a GPU engineer so I'd be the first to but my only upgrade this year was to the Alienware QD-OLED ultrawide and it was absolutely mind blowing better than any speed upgrade for my system. My 6700xt pumps surprisingly great frames at 3440x1440, fuck I even played Quake 2 RTX at 75 fps with acceptable dynamic resolution scaling. 75 fps feels like 100 on that monitor with its near zero pixel response time. I had a mild CPU bottleneck at 1440p earlier but it's mostly gone at ultrawide now lol.

@enduringwave87 Жыл бұрын

My i7 3770 non K ivy bridge CPU from January 2013 is still working and now I'm going to get i5 13600K very soon I7 3rd Gen never failed me even after running it without a proper heat sink fan but only heat sink sitting over it for almost 3 years and this year in the summer my CPU was reaching the Temps between 70 - 95 for almost straight months and got frozen many many times due to reaching threshold 100C temp but it won't die. Unfortunately I'd to buy Aio coolermaster 360ML for cooling and my ivy bridge is back under 30 Degrees at idle. Nasty mother fucker ivy bridge. 👌 👍 👍 👍 I'm sure of it were an amd CPU, it would've been a dead fried toasty piece of metallic shit by now.

@Aizazell Жыл бұрын

Great review, I have not built a computer since 2013. Honestly thank you. But I would like to know your thoughts on Intel i7 13700K. from what I can understand, its right up there next to the i9 13900K.

@nico_fr6743 Жыл бұрын

Yeah with a power consumption at 274w at stock better go with a 13600k 😇

@Aizazell Жыл бұрын

@Nico_fr67 I actually went with an Asus 7900 maximus hero board and a Intel i9 13900K. Now looking at which all In one cooler. Most likely the EK Elite 6 fan model. Any thoughts?.?.?

@axlfrhalo Жыл бұрын

@@nico_fr6743 just setup a small thermonuclear plant in your backyard to support the pc

@jponz85 Жыл бұрын

@@nico_fr6743 how much is the 13600k doing in power consuption?

@jponz85 Жыл бұрын

@@nico_fr6743 how much is the 13600k doing in power consuption?

@zidbits1528 Жыл бұрын

It's so amazing to see how Anthony has evolved. I remember back when he'd make cameo appearances in LTT videos, and when on camera, was obviously uncomfortable and nervous. A bit awkward even. Today? He looks & sounds like a natural.

@thadBegay Жыл бұрын

Holy cow this is a lot to look over and consider. Super big thanks to the lab folks for getting all this out.

@dogmeat-ph2pd Жыл бұрын

basically 13600k > 7600x by a lot, and 13900k > 7900x and 7950x by not too much but it's still a lot cheaper

@thadBegay Жыл бұрын

@@dogmeat-ph2pd oh I understood it all, it's just impressive how much data ltt labs is putting out

@kinpact6100 Жыл бұрын

Yeah idk other channels aren't making this many mistakes on their review, i think i spotted like 3 realised mistakes and 9 unrecognised mistakes that I picked pretty easy, most to do with the graphs. .. I don't understand when they have a lab TEAM to do this testing and other channels sometimes are either a two man or 3 man show don't make this many mistakes.

@thadBegay Жыл бұрын

@@kinpact6100 there are some mistakes I agree, but other channels are testings against 5+ other systems, and I think most of the issues are down to them trying to iron out the big with how they are setting up automation of the testing. It does show and looks a little bad, but the fact that they can be easily cought and pointed out means it's fixable and a minor inconvenience to us as viewers at worst.

@moebius2k103 Жыл бұрын

Labs didn't do shit on this video. It's actually pretty poor compared to the GN and HUB analysis of this launch.

@IlMemetor72 Жыл бұрын

I'm actually really happy to see Intel and AMD compete so much, and glad to see Intel being the budget king for once

@Z3t487 Жыл бұрын

Deep pockets budget king to be exact.

@hyperturbotechnomike Жыл бұрын

@@Z3t487 wait for the i3 13100

@khalilahd. Жыл бұрын

Same honestly

@propersod2390 Жыл бұрын

@@Z3t487 13600k is $320 and was getting super close to the 7900x that costs hundreds more. The 12600k is going to be like $200 now too while being very comparable or even faster than the ryzen 5 7600x...

@ShockingPikachu Жыл бұрын

@@hyperturbotechnomike can only seem to rely on Intel to be in the 3 game coz I haven't seen a ryzen 3 for at least 2 generations

@ultraali453 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the detailed review and the benchmarks.

@alexv3780 Жыл бұрын

I would like to see perfomance charts with other gpu models and performance per watt / performance per $ (hardware cost). Maybe you can use the new automated benchmark suite your are building to collect all these values easier?

@mattecock5715 Жыл бұрын

i love videos like this, it reminds me that literally anything is perfectly acceptable and would be a massive upgrade over my desktop pc

@deviildogg1 Жыл бұрын

Now just think of the possibilities next October 😊

@maxjames00077 Жыл бұрын

Do you know when the 13th gen laptop cpu will be out?

@deviildogg1 Жыл бұрын

@@maxjames00077 I would guess Q1 next year maybe? That was about the time frame for the gen 12 I think.

@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 Жыл бұрын

Yea, when doing my research earlier this year for my first gaming pc I quickly realized most videos are about all the good stuff. I ended up getting a pretty solid prebuilt from Lenovo and it satisfies most of my needs coming from ps3 era gaming and only owning a switch after that. i5 + 1660 super + 16gb ram is all ya need for a 1080p/60fps gaming experiences for a large amount of games

@R6ex Жыл бұрын

@@sentientcardboarddumpster7900 Not my i5-3570K though. Too slow for modern games, even at FHD! My 1070 is still fine.

@brandonj5557 Жыл бұрын

As a developer it would be insanely cool to see code compilation benchmarks

@AndrewTSq Жыл бұрын

saw another channel doing both unity edit: unreal, not unity, and other code compilation with the 13900k and 13600k at top.

@Beakerbite Жыл бұрын

They run chrome compile in the tests. Amd wins due to more better cores.

@KJ4EZJ Жыл бұрын

These benchmarks are useless because the RAM was not invariant.

@flagger1 Жыл бұрын

Watch Alex Ziskind's channel,, that's what he focuses on

@oscarswazi6412 Жыл бұрын

@@flagger1 that guy is a total apple funboy

@Demetri25 Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see power use during actual productivity/gaming scenarios instead of prime 95 to get an idea of what to expect for day to day power consumption.

@jnikz Жыл бұрын

I love my 13900k, makes video editing so much faster especially on 4k hd videos. Although most games it will be at 10-20% utilization at all times

@kartoffelbrei8090 Жыл бұрын

wait what? Which games? What settings? max?

@jnikz Жыл бұрын

@@kartoffelbrei8090 im playing horizon right now avg 30% utilization not overclocked. 5500mhz. My other games below 20%

@SchmidtyFilms Жыл бұрын

What codecs are you editing? Editing speed heavily relies on the video’s codec

@RH-nk7eo Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to upgrading from my AMD 5 3600. Should be a great difference with After Effects.

@imqqmi Жыл бұрын

Yeah I like my 13900k too, in older (Diablo 3, Dragon age inquisition) games it uses 5-6% (vsync at 60Hz), it's very quiet even with the 4070ti, the whole pc uses 160W, exactly the same as my old pc (i5 4570, amd hd7850) but much much higher (potential) framerates and efficiency. With rendering it draws 300W from the cpu but gpu is cool of course. There's hardly any application or game that would put both gpu and cpu at 100% usage so it's not that hard to cool (Noctua NH-D15). It's nice to have the power available. When the pc idles it draws 50W. Also the same as my old pc. I used quickCPU to setup my power plan and it fixed the cpu parked issue for me. Cpu can now use all cores for rendering and go back to parked cores drawing just under 5W when idling. Can't wait for new rpg games coming out this year!

@mrnobody1429 Жыл бұрын

I was afraid to comment on this video.

@Laxidosis Жыл бұрын

I was afraid to reply on this comment.

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I was afraid to reply to this comment.

@joshuabuckesfeld7858 Жыл бұрын

I was afraid to reply to your comment.

@prestont4555 Жыл бұрын

I was afraid to like this comment

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I was afraid to like this comment

@Ryan_Hecht Жыл бұрын

The transition from calling a workload "CPU-bound" to the "a CPU can be bound for your couch" product integration might be the best segue ever on this channel

@supriseweed Жыл бұрын

I was today years old when I learned segue is spelt like that 😂

@katech6020 Жыл бұрын

@@supriseweed I always feel like it should be segway

@Es0ter1ca Жыл бұрын

With all these great improvements, I’d really like to see a tool that lets me compare my 8700k to one of these. I’d like to hold out until I have something roughly double the performance before I upgrade

@aapooja95 Жыл бұрын

i had 8700k and just got 13700k and depending on the game fps improved 60-100+ fps (csgo +400fps), even though I only have a 2070super and I play with 2k resolution

@panteleymonschekochikhin-k1978 Жыл бұрын

It's already more than double in multi core loads

@FlorisBoere Жыл бұрын

You test at 1080p high in an older game ALSO because even with the fastest graphics card there is, the RTX 4090 as of now, at 4K you're going to be GPU bound (at 1440p in newer games). So the CPU doesn't really matter much for gaming, any of the ones in this test will do for your next gaming system should always be the advice, if you're interested in high fps. We still always like to see those CPU fps benchmark numbers though, it's just fun! :) Thanks for the great review, really enjoyed watching it.

@arandomdeadmau5fan861 Жыл бұрын

CSGO in benchmarks is kind of meh, as people that bench it max everything out. Most people play not even Full HD on lowest settings, and even blackbars, stretched and so on.

@Puzzlers100 Жыл бұрын

It's going to be interesting to see what happens in Q1 of next year. AMD is rumored to be planning 3d stacked varients of zen 4, which may or may not alter the graph again. Isn't competiton great?

@mcbeaver9858 Жыл бұрын

not that great for my wallet though :(

@Puzzlers100 Жыл бұрын

@@mcbeaver9858 You don't have to buy it, just watch for the drama!

@IllusiveDev Жыл бұрын

@@mcbeaver9858 you will open your wallet wide and you’ll be happy about it!

@fredericfamso9572 Жыл бұрын

No according to nvidia

@lukasralys6096 Жыл бұрын

@@mcbeaver9858 ??? your point doesnt make any sense, the competition ensures that 1 company cant just put on insane prices, because they have to compete with the other unlike *cough* nvidea *cough*

@SpinDlsc Жыл бұрын

What a great time to be alive in the CPU space! Intel and AMD are actually competing against each other! I only hope this kind of competition between them can keep going!

@chucklesdeclown8819 Жыл бұрын

I know, we don't want another AMD/Intel supremacy where either is the standard for years before one catches up again.

@carlsagan2371 Жыл бұрын

Well my electricity bill from Intel sure as hell won't keep me going, that's for sure.

@bajszosjozsef4850 Жыл бұрын

@@carlsagan2371 Exactly. I don't care if the i5 has 10-15 more fps if it consumes like 60-80 watts more... And the AM5 platform is futureproof where Intel on the other hand is known of dumping their sockets every 2nd year or so.

@fynkozari9271 Жыл бұрын

Is it true Intel would still be selling dual core if Ryzen didn't exist?

@adamv9652 Жыл бұрын

@@bajszosjozsef4850 no one knows what will AMD do 3 years for now, and they are learning fast

@Espiritiv Жыл бұрын

So I want an i5-13600k workstation with integrated graphics for a basic workstation and server for 4k cameras. What's your recommended build?

@jallen1227 Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to normalize performance against price

@nk70 Жыл бұрын

589$ is not the MSRP. It's actually 659$ because Intel always writes the 1K unit pricing on their slides.

@RaitouElswordPH Жыл бұрын

ATLAST SOMEONE POINT THIS OUT. People forgot its RSP not MSRP. Additionally it will be on that price point if retailers buy them at bulk. I don't know why a lot of media outlets seems to forgot to point that one out.

@Senarak Жыл бұрын

I just bought a 13900K for $559 at Microcenter

@shrayesraman5192 Жыл бұрын

@@Senarak Just rekt em

@VoldoronGaming Жыл бұрын

@@Senarak doubtful since even microcenter cant buy it at that price.

@Senarak Жыл бұрын

@@VoldoronGaming Want to see my receipt?

@immortal8292 Жыл бұрын

The only thing I learned from all this is that the 13600K lineup is going to be an absolute game changer when it comes to value

@MathewPanicker1010 Жыл бұрын

@raccoon2276 Жыл бұрын

@perfectman3077 Жыл бұрын

Value goes out the window when you’ll need to spend another 100$ for a new power supply.

@013nil Жыл бұрын

@@perfectman3077 if you thinking of buying top chip, you either own a high power PSU or dont care that much about 100 bucks.

@8bits955 Жыл бұрын

@@perfectman3077 or another 300 pound for a new b650 motherboards and another 200 pound for ddr5 16gb ram when you could get 32gb or even 64gb for same amount

@InsatiableMonkey Жыл бұрын

Thank you guys for this. This video influenced me to buy a 13600k over the 12700k I was going to buy. With a little price hunting I actually got it for a little less than the 12700k I was going to get!

@maxit1082 Жыл бұрын

Hi. Do you know which of these CPUs will perform better in machine learning and data science tasks, no need to say I would use an nvidia GPU like 3070 beside the cpu. but I wanna choose a appropriate cpu for these types of tasks. these are my choices: 5900X 13600KF or a little bit expensive one (13700KF).

@sakul174 Жыл бұрын

I am so happy you have included Factorio in your Testing. I love this game and always found the normal games most people test didn't represent it's performance well.

@TodayIFoundOut... Жыл бұрын

I will link you to something new, a life-changing financial business investment

@NoNameAtAll2 Жыл бұрын

its*

@alexron42 Жыл бұрын

I had to go back and double check that I heard Factorio. One of the best games I've played in years.

@danielcorey1658 Жыл бұрын

Agreed, especially as it's one of the game genres I'll play more often, and play far enough that CPU does become a bottleneck.

@Systox25 Жыл бұрын

The most important thing could be ram speed. And it’s unclear what save they use because a mega base wouldn’t reach 60 ups

@glebpalchin6809 Жыл бұрын

Charts mistakes at LMG are becoming a tradition

@ronsim6896 8 ай бұрын

Is the i5-1335u a good chip? Is the performance slow as the cache is low compared to benchmarks?

@HarmonicVector Жыл бұрын

Finally. True competition since 2000. I cannot wait to see what the next 5 years bring.

@salakast Жыл бұрын

I never thought I'd see Intel be price efficient again and support backwards compatibility past one gen. Thanks AMD

@weasle2904 Жыл бұрын

@@salakast I mean Intel hasn't changed really. They're only supporting two generations and then it's a dead socket. Laughable compared to AMD's compatibility. I wouldn't want to invest into a space heater based on antique technology and a dead platform

@cryingwater Жыл бұрын

I would like to see a cost to performance to watt ratio benchmark. When I bought my Ryzen 7 5800X and RTX 3070Ti, I based it all on the cost to performance ratio. It's very helpful since the jump for a better hardware is not linear for the price even though the performance jump is linear

@andreasw.hvammen3946 Жыл бұрын

Just watch the review Hardware Unboxed made. Much more indepth, and frankly a much better review.

@funnyduck4568 Жыл бұрын

@@andreasw.hvammen3946 yeah this video also was filled with mistakes

@davids9654 Жыл бұрын

@LTT starting at 12:05 through 13:54 there is a slow constant ticking sound. Was that intentional given the subject matter on clock speeds at that part of the video? Not to be "that guy" just curious. It's noticeable on good headphones / speakers.

@papabear1714 Жыл бұрын

it's been a minute since I've needed to build a computer, so a minute since I've seen Anthony, and I have to say, wow he's looking a lot healthier, practically glowing.

@martinpeel1820 Жыл бұрын

Not sure if you've noticed or if someone else has already mentioned this but at around 12:17 the Prime95 Small FFT's graph comparing the 12600k and 13600k temperature and package power has both of CPU's package power labeled as 13600k

@alexanderfransen2486 Жыл бұрын

Similar mistakes and issues at a minute into the video the charts form there on have names and stuff all mixed up.

@MattSitton Жыл бұрын

I would have liked to see the 7700x on more graphs due to recent reports of disabling a single die on the 7950x increasing gaming performance

@charleshorseman55 Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was sadly skipped over (for some reason)

@zxbc1 Жыл бұрын

@@charleshorseman55 LTT now is probably in the pocket of Apple and Intel, their recent editorial slant more or less confirms it. Compared to a lot of the other smaller and (truly) independent reviewers they really go out of their ways to cheerlead in the hype generation for dominant players. It's too bad since LTT had its humble beginnings too and was for a long time quite pro-consumer in their slant. It's probably going to be a trend now though given their viewer numbers on youtube and the power to shape narratives for big product launches.

@trw8777 Жыл бұрын

That's not really something a standard user would do though...

@ryancrazy1 Жыл бұрын

@@zxbc1 cheerlead for dominant players? Are they supposed to... ignore one platform performing better than the other? They hype AMD all the time when THEY are better. Linus has been very outspoken about how he is cheering for AMD. Hell is Desk PC has an AMD cpu in it. how can you actually think he is an intel shill

@DxCBuG Жыл бұрын

@@zxbc1 that's BS dude

@ahmedal-modaifea4457 Жыл бұрын

I wonder, how would such comparison differs if you are on a different OS?

@cheebadigga4092 Жыл бұрын

Happy with my 5800X3D! But it's awesome to see Intel get along fast both performance and price wise.

@RaynmanPlays Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a video about theoretical builds of the 5800X3D vs. other CPUs. At what point does it stop gaining? Because if you need a 4090 to bottleneck it, then it would still be the price to performance choice.

@sid6645 Жыл бұрын

Yeah kinda comical how last gen CPU with a funny cache thing needs a fucking 4090 to be sit down lmaoo

@RamsesTheFourth Жыл бұрын

I think its still the best thing you can put in AM4 socket. So if you dont want to upgrade whole system yet. Its good enough.

@itsdrakegd981 Жыл бұрын

Let's just wait for Ryzen 7000 with 3d cache, then we shall see who keeps the gaming crown

@Steve55555 Жыл бұрын

i think you misunderstood, the 3090ti already maxed out the x3d, the 4090 just showed it cant go any higher if given a better graphics card

@R_C_H_14 Жыл бұрын

@@Steve55555 Hardware unboxed reviews showed the 5800x3d passing the DDR5 12900k with a 4090, when they previously had the 12900k ddr5 beating the 5800x3d with a 3090ti.

@Flabbycakes Жыл бұрын

There are so many mistakes in the charts that it's actually concerning. This is the second LTT video in the last few weeks that I have seen both major and minor mistakes in the charts and in what was actually said.

@joeykeilholz925 Жыл бұрын

Yeah....

@ventilate4267 Жыл бұрын

Welcome to techtober lol they're probably benchmarking around the clock

@eli.k9190 Жыл бұрын

@@ventilate4267 well gamer's nexus with a quarter of employees has no issues in "techtober".

@SwolePapi15 Жыл бұрын

@@eli.k9190 Gamers Nexus is also known to work ludicrous amounts of hours around the time of reviews, LTT work your typical 9-5. Not excusing the mistakes but we also do not know how many employees LTT dedicates to these reviews.

@dhkatz_ Жыл бұрын

What mistakes? You can't mention mistakes and the point out none of them LMFAO

@99seaweed Жыл бұрын

Ok serious question that I don’t see often addressed; how does the desktop performance charts translate to mobile/laptop performance. This video makes the 13600 look pretty good, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it would fare as well in a laptop.

@RomPereira 6 ай бұрын

Anthony's presentation tone is so nice that I always get scared by the sponsor change...

@ryant2568 Жыл бұрын

Great review as always but I particularly love the final comments to not worry too hard about your older hardware. Just because these new chips are smashing it does not mean you need an upgrade. Most people are not running a 4090 or a monitor that can go 300+Hz and most of us are not rendering 4k video all day.

@JohnnyInJapan Жыл бұрын

I am in my dreams lol

@danielIoking Жыл бұрын

Would've loved to see price to performance and power to performance comparisons to AMD aswell, given how important sustainability is nowadays.

@bedburgde7677 Жыл бұрын

I ve seen a video from Der Bauer about it, but it is in German

@kneonspace410 Жыл бұрын

And power consumption because in the Netherlands a kilowatt-hour costs a whopping 0,40€ here that is 0,39$.

@goukenslay7555 Жыл бұрын

Do you actually care about sustainability.

@TriNity-GER Жыл бұрын

@@bedburgde7677 He posts his video on a second Channel in english :) But yeah from what I've read, AMD is still performance to wattage king. Very important in times of energy crisis. Core reason why I actually bought an 7900X instead of a Raptor Lake.

@urbanblazenyan3692 Жыл бұрын

@@bedburgde7677 he uploads every video he does on a different english channel btw

@skizzarz Жыл бұрын

lookin good Anthony. audio guy, the outro ad vocals were considerably louder than the rest of the video, please fix.

@bisarothub1644 Жыл бұрын

pls include also the speed difference on battery mode between amd and intel. and their battery life.

@heyitsjel Жыл бұрын

Great video; awesome to see a bit more competition ramping up between team blue and red again. PS. Hate to be pedantic, but for the L3 Cache of the 5800X3D (@1:00), you've got 25MB listed instead of 96MB... Edit: Also, the fabrication processes for the AMD cpu's are backwards, between generations.

@notlikethis9932 Жыл бұрын

There are so many errors in the video. All Intel names are messed up. i5 12900k etc. - god.

@alexgabriel5877 Жыл бұрын

can you sort graphs by fps? its kinda confusing when results are all over the place

@khalilahd. Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@johneisele6264 Жыл бұрын

Can I just say that I really enjoy the shit out of Anthony videos. He's a great presenter, and I'd really like to see some episodes based on his interests. His old tech knowledge base is really impressive.

@80s_Gamr Жыл бұрын

Audio sync issues?

@doabrad1850 Жыл бұрын

My i5-12400 getting a score of 12400 in Cinebench R23 multi-core is already insane to me, so the 13600K getting double that is absolutely mind-blowing. It's very tempting to upgrade to the 13600K next summer when, hopefully, prices will have come down a bit by then.

@mr.qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcv3077 Жыл бұрын

Dang it didn't go up by 1200 😭😭😭

@jozefhalama2585 Жыл бұрын

price will be higher next year.. so buy 13600k immediately

@drago939393 Жыл бұрын

Why?

@doabrad1850 Жыл бұрын

@@drago939393 My 12400 is plenty fast for most of my computing needs, but when it comes to rendering videos with lots of effects, transitions, commentary, background music, etc, having the extra power of the 13600K would hugely speed up the rendering process.

@drago939393 Жыл бұрын

@@doabrad1850 That's fair, but... It's still not THAT much of a difference. If it's worthwhile for you, go for it. I just think such users are very rare.

@wolfgangjr74 Жыл бұрын

Its just a back and forth battle as it always has been. Next up 7000 series with 3dcache. Absolutely loving this competitive environment again.

@michelecaci9004 Жыл бұрын

Remember 5% improvements each gen... 3-7000 series, lol

@probablykeen Жыл бұрын

wHOOoOoOoOaAaAa 3d cache jerking it

@cybersecuritydeclassified4793 Жыл бұрын

"as it always has been" What log did you roll out from under. Intel stagnated the market for a decade.

@siontheodorus1501 Жыл бұрын

@@cybersecuritydeclassified4793 the market yes, but the performance that they bring is what he mentioned i believe

@wolfgangjr74 Жыл бұрын

@1982 Original Yawn. The cycle is just repeated over and over again. Intel then AMD then rinse wash and repeat. Gaming at this point and Multimedia needs are easily met by other company. Now it's more on the bang for the buck which hilariously is on Intel's side. Let's keep this party going to get more performance at the cheapest price possible.

@juscallmeric Жыл бұрын

Can get the 12900k with an asus tuf d4 mb for around $430 right now. I want to jump on it but is the tuf board decent? I’m ok with ddr4 still for that price.

@70axels70 Жыл бұрын

What cooler would work well for the 13700k, mine hits 100 in seconds with a 2 fan liqui cooler, said nh d15 Noctua is minimum but what would be better, I want something strong enough to keep it lower

@Pluranium_Alloy Жыл бұрын

I love that you've included factorio in your testing suite!

@Zzzlol94 Жыл бұрын

Still considering the insane performance boost the 5800X3D had over the 5800X, there's no chance I'll be buying anything before we're getting the 7800X3D. Intel's 13600K is good, but for gaming, it doesn't really do well enough compared to the 7600X. It's time to wait for next year again.

@kazioo2 Жыл бұрын

If 7600x beat in avg FPS 5800X3D at its lower price and no 3d cache AMD fans would be raving how impressive that is. 13600k literally does it - "doesn't really do well enough". Mhm, Okay.

@Anto-xh5vn Жыл бұрын

Lmao yeah keep coping hard bro

@aravindpallippara1577 Жыл бұрын

@@kazioo2 it didn't, 3d v cache is around the corner Why not wait? Why buy into a EoL platform instead of am5?

@brendanlowry247 Жыл бұрын

What do you mean? The 13600K is extremely competitive with the 7600X. It beat it in several benchmarks.

@Bayonet1809 Жыл бұрын

@@aravindpallippara1577 If you already have DDR4 then the cost to buy into that "EoL" platform is significantly less.

@tuc_mage Жыл бұрын

just curious, noticed the amd 7700 and intel 13700 weren't in most of the comparisons. is there a reason for this? (are they just mid cpus with a clear superiors?)

@idontwanttotalkabout Жыл бұрын

Would be nice to see a chart on power cost per year, I feel like with energy's current prices, any small difference in price will be obliterated in the long term by the electricity bill.

@noahallen5829 Жыл бұрын

Possible error at 1:01. Doesn’t the 5800x3D have 96MB of L3 cache rather than 25MB? I think it’s important to correct because this is why it’s has been so good at gaming and the slide makes it appear that the 13900K has more cache

@HAL_NOVEMILA Жыл бұрын

Curious as to why, when all other reviews I saw weren't so enthusiastic about the launch citing lower than expected efficiency, you barely mentioned it... I get that different reviewers might have different priorities but efficiency is kinda important, especially when considering the energy crisis we're currently facing.

@jacksonsardello3959 Жыл бұрын

I would argue that anyone planning to buy an i9 isn't worried about energy costs. If you're buying the i5 and using it for evening gaming, it's not going to add all that much $$$ to your energy bill. The combination of these chips + a new graphics card may end up forcing some folks to buy a new PSU however. I ended up bumping up to a 1000W PSU for my new system.

@neonblaze99 Жыл бұрын

On point sir. Smelly smelly linus

@zxbc1 Жыл бұрын

LTT now is probably in the pocket of Apple and Intel, their recent editorial slant more or less confirms it. Compared to a lot of the other smaller and (truly) independent reviewers they really go out of their ways to cheerlead in the hype generation for dominant players. It's too bad since LTT had its humble beginnings too and was for a long time quite pro-consumer in their slant. It's probably going to be a trend now though given their viewer numbers on youtube and the power to shape narratives for big product launches.

@LaCroix05 Жыл бұрын

@@zxbc1 lol how many times you will copy pasta this? You accuse Linus is Intel shill now? Then I want to know how much GN paid you every copy paste.

@paulvenn4447 Жыл бұрын

@@LaCroix05 Don't fanboi anyone or any brand

@seancool Жыл бұрын

I now have my 13900K and 4090 Strix ordered, so happy for my long winter and xmas gaming sessions 🤩

@arg8763 Жыл бұрын

This is what competition gets us. If not for AMD stepping up, Intel would have never had a reason to create something like this at this price point.

@doc-holliday- Жыл бұрын

Truth. No way in hell intel selling the i5 13600k for 300 without competition and it probably wouldn't be as good either.

@aaron-channel Жыл бұрын

7700k is the fastest we have days back, facepalm

@bobbrock4221 11 ай бұрын

Why would they? It's all about profit in the end.

@Xirtamani Жыл бұрын

There's some stuff in the benchmarks that doesn't get adressed: The terrible lows of the 13900K in Tiny Tina's Wonderland in UHD and WQHD - but not in FHD. At 7:40 the 5800X3D suddenly does worse with the 4090 then with the 3090 Ti, and I'd say the difference is so big that something is off there. Even if that would be margin of error, then it would be nice to repeat that bench to see if it really is. But OK, that could be owed to time constraints. And you should really start proofreading your charts, this was pointed out in other reviews too, and again there are mistakes I spotted while watching this video pretty normal and not checking everything. -L3-Cache on 5800X3D and 5600X is so completely wrong, I don't even know where these values could come from apart from guessing -In the RAM-section there's suddenly DDR5-3600 (which at least get's cleared up by context) Oh and others have pointed out more as I've just seen: Process is switched between Ryzen 5000 and 7000, i7/i5 is botched in many places

@Teth47 Жыл бұрын

I'm gonna say I agree but also in large part blame Intel for giving them and other news outlets zero time to work with their stuff before lifting embargo. Missing coverage by hours mean entire tens of percent drops in total views, so the amount of time before embargo lift that outlets have to prepare themselves is extremely important.

@Deliveredmean42 Жыл бұрын

And did they also address that windows 11 accidentally made Ryzen performance worse too... Again?

@Xirtamani Жыл бұрын

@@Deliveredmean42 Was that in 22H2? Then it doesn't matter, cuz they didn't use that because it broke Nvidia too.

@Xirtamani Жыл бұрын

@@Teth47 True. But they're way bigger then other outlets who didn't make such mistakes - and it's not the first or even the second time. Although this time it's more mistakes and more glaring mistakes. And while the mistakes in the technical sheets are embarrassing, the stuff that seems off in the benches and isn't addressed is a bigger concern to me.

@helmoh Жыл бұрын

Something that could be interesting for your lab is something like "lifetime operating cost" of CPU/GPU. It's probably hard to determine what a typical workload, and power usage is. And prices of components and electricity change over time. But when comparing price points, even if something is way cheaper right now, if it uses more power, it might prove more costly in the long run. As good ass the competition has been in pushing for more performance in the past few years, it also incentivised the push for more power in order to obtain that performance, and that seems like a step in the wrong direction.

@neptronix Жыл бұрын

Exactly what i'm thinking. At heavy load we see the intels pulling and extra ~100w compared to the zen 4. The intel will produce more heat and increase your air conditioner bill because that heat the CPU is making needs to be canceled out. I don't have exact figures on all factors but my guess is that the Intel is a poor choice if you're thinking about total cost of ownership. I wouldn't buy one.

@dhkatz_ Жыл бұрын

Nobody cares about power usage when you're talking about dollars per year lmfao. Sure Intel CPUs might draw more power but that's under 100% load. How often are you putting your CPU under heavy load as an average person who plays games?

@TheImprovisations Жыл бұрын

"...ass...", giggety

@jo.v-c Жыл бұрын

Agreed; I came away from this thinking "it's the value choice so long as you don't care about your power and cooling bills". Of course, that may well be an accurate description of the majority of LTT's usual audience... :)

@absolutium Жыл бұрын

@@dhkatz_ Everybody in the know cares.. since thermal efficiency in the only real indicator of technological achievement.

@gardenhoser19 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see Factorio as a benchmark! How many spm was you pushing for test?

@thommysides4616 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!!!

@CIsxxc Жыл бұрын

This is great work, though for graphs you should order the cpus by max fps, it makes it much easier to understand relative performance and simply reads much nicer if the video consumer is not pausing to read each of them.

@vimvigour3327 Жыл бұрын

Can you include finite element analysis simulations in your next tests, for people who use their cpus mainly to crunch numbers?

@dukezinnia1667 Жыл бұрын

You mean like calculating a zillion digits of pi? I know that is a historical benchmark. But what is a modern example?

@TheAntoine191 Жыл бұрын

@@dukezinnia1667 inverting a gazillon node matrix is useful for mechanical anylisis, doing a gazillon sum/product on gazillons nodes is nice too but i guess that one is done on gpus today.

@jafon9 Жыл бұрын

Finite element analysis would be good to add to their tests.

@varunrajamane Жыл бұрын

+1 on this. My go to source has been CFDOnline till now, but would appreciate having a more in depth view from LTT. With folks from their team doing FEA for merch, it should be easily doable.

@TheMet4lGod Жыл бұрын

Would it even be relevant though? GPUs are far better are performing calculations than CPUs. That's what's running AI processes anyways.

@Matt_D. 7 ай бұрын

I’m about to build a new PC and am stuck between the 12400f with ddr4 or the 13400f with ddr5. How much of a difference is the 13th gen compared to the price difference?

@xXxSpardaxXx1 Жыл бұрын

Can we review the sony Z9K. I'm considering buying it and would like to know your thoughts.

@ninjoun Жыл бұрын

Just realized how stupidly powerful the 13900K is when I looked at how my old, barely bottlenecking 6700K MT scores in cinebench R23. 6700... 4300 points 13900... 40000 points. I still don't feel overly pressured to upgrade but really starting to consider it.

@shibbby92 Жыл бұрын

You'll deff want to upgrade in the near future. 8700k is pretty much as low as you want to go but its poorly designed. No rush, but in the next year or so its time for an upgrade.

@lilpizzy3892 9 ай бұрын

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@user-zi9nh2dr6o 9 ай бұрын

@@lilpizzy3892🐟

@ChetanSaini420 Жыл бұрын

there are lot of info error in the beginning like 0:55 Ryzen 7000 process is 7nm in video instead of 5nm which is shown in 5000 process and 1:10 all 12th gen parts named as i5 instead of their resptive names. I think something is not right there as many of last videos also contains many errors and are significant which are not acceptable. I hope you will look into this problem.

@BlueBl0d Жыл бұрын

I use 2080ti rog and think to upgrade CPU but not sure if it going well if get i9 13gen or beter go for i9 12 gen?

@Neopulse00 Жыл бұрын

Already seeing the title, can't wait to see the criticism regarding wattage use.

@87vortex87 Жыл бұрын

My whole house draws about 400watts an hour on average. With these modern CPUs and GPUs this simply triples to about 1400 watts.. damn, that's some big power draw.

@untitled795 Жыл бұрын

I'm so thankful that the floor I live on pays for distributed power collectively, Although i think I'm the only one haha

@maxjames00077 Жыл бұрын

400 an hour damn. Just my heater in my room is 1500watts and we have 6 rooms with these heaters and 1 for the living room, hallways and kitchen at 4500watts... 😂

@raininginside Жыл бұрын

400 watts? Are you sure?

@thedude5040 Жыл бұрын

My 800sq foot apartment used 1200kWhr last feburary.

@untitled795 Жыл бұрын

@@maxjames00077 not everyone can afford a mansion, I don’t know if you knew that

@BigT87 Жыл бұрын

With all these benchmark videos I usually default to LTT, Jayz, and GN to see the different opinions. I am very glad you addressed the 13600k as that is the one I ( and most likely a lot of ppl) are looking to actually buy. Also thanks for testing with the ddr4 ram because I was curious if going ddr5 was necessary. For my needs seems like 13600k and ddr4 are going to be best bang for the buck.

@itsyourboirex3759 Жыл бұрын

Yea with the 13600k you get 12900k performance for $330. On top of that you don’t need ddr5 and new mobos which are really expensive rn.

@chromaticv1 Жыл бұрын

i believe they didn't showcase the i5's in previous gen videos simply because amd's r5s were the better value option.

@BigT87 Жыл бұрын

@Jeremiah Bakker that would be interesting to see to say the least lol

@shha22 Жыл бұрын

Why not 5800X3D, a very cheap AM4 Mobo and DD4. I feel it still will perform better and cost even less. Its not like 13600k is any more future proof - you are buying a "end of socket" mobo anyway. Thats one thing that AMD has going for it with 7XXX series as well - you can expect to be able to upgrade it.

@carcarcool6262 Жыл бұрын

@@shha22 you can’t say get a 5800 x3d then say 13th gen intel is a dead end socket when so is the 5800x3D bc AM5 exists now

@timothyreed7709 Жыл бұрын

Can you do benchmarks with levelized power levels? I want to see performance per watt

@PabzRoz Жыл бұрын

People pointing out all the typos in the video and complaining comparing it to their last review with mistakes instead of using their heads. These mistakes are coming from product launch reviews people. They get the product only a couple weeks at most before launch day and have to do all the testing, filming, and editing in time to release a video on launch day. Same thing with the 4090 video mistakes were made. Product launch reviews are rough especially while uploading like 10 videos a week on multiple channels. Cut them some slack Jesus.

@TheKazragore Жыл бұрын

The 13900k is not $110 less. The price we saw is the tray price at 1000 units. Its going to be closer to $650 i reckon at retail. Here in Australia there's $70 AUD between them, which is less than a 10% difference. Not to mention the 13900k is sucking back more juice than a Threadripper...

@TodayIFoundOut... Жыл бұрын

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@monstarghsclips6635 Жыл бұрын

this. i want to see a comparison for the power draw when gaming between the 2 chips and then how much per hour the cost to run each is in kw/h. a 200w difference for a 5hr use per day works out to be around $AU140 per year, that means to run the intel will cost you more than you saved for the cpu

@BurnsRubber Жыл бұрын

$660 for 13900K, $630 for KF. So $40 difference.

@neolordie Жыл бұрын

@@monstarghsclips6635 the 13900k is at 188w and the 7950x is at 140w on cyberpunk

@AndrewTSq Жыл бұрын

in sweden, retail is 9890sek /876usd for 7950x and 8490sek /751usd (8190sek/725usd) for 13900k(f). So if you go for a 13900kf its 151usd less, or regular 13900k its 125usd cheapar. For 151usd I can actually buy a motherboard for the 13900kf. and yes use my ddr4 ram. if you game, it does not use that much power. even less then many other cpus if you undervolt it.

@Mrfaixyy Жыл бұрын

2:50 , what PSU did you use ! Is 850W enough for i9 13900k with rtx 3080ti

@moghater Жыл бұрын

I would like to see more of the those CPUs in emulation and undervolt on ganes. I probably would be using them undervolted most of the time.

@bastardgoose Жыл бұрын

I feel like this is overlooking the 13900ks massive power draw in comparison. Literally drawing 100 more watts to gain 15% in comparison to the 7950x. And they keep saying it's 110 dollars less, but at least in the states all I see is the 7950x for 699, with the 13900k at 649. I really hope amd and Intel focus on efficiency at some point. Scared of the future of 400w CPUs 800w GPUs

@haywire9174 Жыл бұрын

13900k also has more cores for that pricing and power draw though.

@OrRaino Жыл бұрын

@PC_Modder the deal breaker for me is buying new mobo and ram

@waytoobiased Жыл бұрын

Apple’s been trying to do that, but that’s kinda a different situation

@ninetenduh Жыл бұрын

It draws almost twice the power compared to a 7950X for sometimes the same results, at least according to hardware unboxed which makes the 13900k an awful deal right now.

@neonblaze99 Жыл бұрын

Yes. This is classic shilling. All those intel tech upgrades they cant bite the hand that feeds them.