big fan of looking at two options side by side here!

Took a lil extra time to film in different settings for this one! Thanks for noticing 🥰

Exactly!

Exactly! And usually when a tool does say it can do everything, it turns out to be rather average at most things 😅 I’ll always prefer to use a tool that was designed for a certain task!

exactly!!

Do you use any particular program to draw the sketches?

@@RandySFisher procreate

thank you Abby!!

so true!

we love to see the flexibility!

I'm the same! I don't code at all as part of my job these days, just focus on the design side

haha glad you liked it!

you win! 🏆

@@charlimarieTV love uuuuu

sameee!

Thanks!

That's awesome!

haha YEP I've done that in the past too in Webflow, and it does always end up taking longer or with a worse result than the times I start in Figma and follow the process!

ooo great question! I might turn the answer for this one in to a whole video. But essentially you reach a point where you say to yourself "this solves the problem. it looks good. and even though there is more I want to do, we need to ship"

agreed!

I don't work for Webflow so I'm not sure! What issues are you referring to?

@@charlimarieTV Sorry I meant it just generally for anybody watching the video, not you specifically. But it is a bit of a salty issue so came off a bit more brusk than intended, I'm a big fan, no offence intended. If you search GDPR on Webflow forums you will find plenty of threads about it. I was trying to start my own freelance web design business using Webflow about 2 years ago, but as I am UK based I ran into a legal issue. Because of GDPR you weren't allowed to store EU users data on non EU servers (or at least in countries the EU deemed did not have adequate data protection/privacy law, the US was a big one that failed to meet the standards). And to get the benefits of Webflow you need to host with them, and they only had US servers, so technically that meant Webflow was no good for EU/UK users. The problem I and many others had, was that we approached Webflow and they simply would not offer a response. They danced around the issue for a very long time and simply would not give users any advice regarding how GDPR would affect them. They aren't responsible for legal education, BUT as they are a paid service I and many others felt they should at least be able to advise on how the new GDPR rules would affect their users, especially if this would technically leave those users open to law suits in the event of a data breach as the users had no control over where and how Webflow stored their data. You can read up on that from more experienced people than myself on the forums. But they pretty much just blanked users from the EU and UK for a very long time, ignored forum threads, their support info and staff were useless too and simply would not or could not offer any help. I think after a quick google they have done something about it now. But at the time it was pretty abysmal service and I bet a lot o users didn't even know they were technically leaving themselves wide open to a law suit if anything bad had happened to heir clients sites. I even asked a few youtubers, yourself included if they knew anything about this back then and nobody seemed to know anything and most of them when i got downt o actually talking to them felt like they didn't care if they were technically breaking any laws as the odds of getting caught were slim. If nobody catches you then nothings wrong sort of logic. I didn't want to sell my clients a service I did not fully understand, so I left Webflow and went into a different line of work. I was rather bitter about their handling of the situation however.

Abandon Wordpress and Elementor. Plugins on top of plugins to make Wordpress work also make the site slow and easily breakable. Webflow has all of this natively

I'm on board for "iterate with small changes in the browser" but not designing from scratch! ha

There’s a plugin for copy paste

I don't really ever design logos these days, but if I did I would use Figma for sure!

It could be! but generally tools that have tried this in the past end up doing a poor job of both since the ideal workflows needed for each are different, in my experience anyway!

@@charlimarieTV yeah there used to be a tool in Photoshop that would let you copy front styles / padding as css but you ended up spending more time right clicking and pasting than you would just writing it

I'd encourage you to watch this video again and pay special attention to the part where I talk about the design process and why a tool like Webflow is not enabling the DESIGN process but rather the DEVELOPMENT process. They're two different things. To use your analogy of painting a picture, jumping straight into development is like already knowing exactly where you need to put the paintstrokes and exactly what colors to use to bring your artistic vision to life vs starting your painting with a sketch to figure out the shapes that will best convey your artistic intent and experimenting with colors to see what feels right. And to answer your first question, no I haven't, but that's because I've been designing websites for more than a decade and I have a solid understanding of what is and isn't easy to do in code. I apply this knowledge when I make design decisions. It's perfectly normal for someone with less experience, or less knowledge of code to find themselves in that situation though.

@@charlimarieTV Oh I watched the video carefully, I'm just new to figma and webflow (the last site I built was in 2017 as a hobbyist), but now I've got my own e-commerce needs and I'm getting back into the 'game' so to speak. I get the difference between prototyping and development, but at first to me the WYSIWYG element in WF seemed just as good as in Figma. Now that I've done some more research on Webflow, I realize that it is a VERY deep application in and of itself, and the drag'n'drop despite being as good as it is, offers nowhere near the fidelity that Figma does. So the webflow process is not _quite_ as simple as the marketing suggests, methinks (at least not to a humble musician like me, probably not true for a venerable master like yourself ;) ) . I'm just glad they've got tons of instructional materials on their site... looks like I'll be busy there for awhile 😵 *"It's perfectly normal for someone with less experience, or less knowledge of code to find themselves in that situation though."* Right, I'm just gonna welcome it. I've got courses lined up for both applications, kind of excited to learn these powerful tools as a novice-intermediate level hobbyist. Thanks for your detailed response!

agreed! I could do it... but it wouldn't lead to the best result.

because of iteration! :)

I’ve never used it!

YES exactly. The process is the process even if the tools we use as part of it change over the years. (I don't think Figma is going anywhere anytime soon tho!)

@@charlimarieTV I do hope so that Figma never goes away. It's so tiring for me to keep switching, first photoshop, then Sketch and now Figma, and then what? I hope Figma keep listening to it's user and never becomes arrogant :D

YES great point.

I haven't to be honest! Shall i do a first impressions video on it?? would you find that interesting to watch?

@@charlimarieTV yea that’d be great, i think thats how i first ran into you, might of been first impressions on figma 🤔 Perhaps editor x may be an additional tool for our bag?! Thats always a plus. Thanks for even giving this some thought.

@@longlivetheusers Ran of flux recently did a KZfaq video on editor x vs webflow, also interested in Charli's take here but thought you might not have seen this 😃

I would like to know if you could design plus no-code code in editor x as well. or if you would still want to go with figma (or other design tool) first before jumping into editor x.

Yes! XD seems like it was made primarily for prototyping, whereas I’m usually designing single web pages so prefer a tool more optimised for the design process which I believe Figma is

thanks for watching!

Can relly tell how people visually organize content or web structure without making any king of wireframe ? I think the result will be messy and the web user will interact with a poor inuitive website.

totally agree! I guess there are some rare folks who can work through all that in their minds and design as they go, but that is certainly an exception to the rule.

I mean if they want a functional website that actually meets their goals there isn’t a choice between one process or the other! Both are essential for creating a website