Weighing Tubeless MTB Tires - Before and After

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Berm Peak

7 жыл бұрын

What we’re going to do today is only going to take a couple of minutes. What I have here is a wheel off my brand new Orange P7 RS. The vast majority of people with this bike will be running it tubeless, but of course it ships with tubes. During storage and shipping, sealant has the opportunity to clump, so all manufacturers to my knowledge ship tubeless ready bikes this way. The question is, how much weight do you save by pulling those tubes out and pouring in some sealant? Well today, we’re going to weigh this wheel, pull out the tubes, seal it up, and weigh it again. Very simple.
Set up stock with an inner tube, we’re coming in at 2.655 Kilograms. Let’s weigh it again just in case. Time to rip these tubes out, throw in some valve stems, and seal her up. Now of course, I could make this calculation by weighing the tube and the sealant, but this is more fun, and probably more realistic.
Weight reduction is only a secondary benefit of tubeless. The reason I do it is because I tend to run low tire pressure and get a lot of pinch flats. Tubeless has virtually eliminated that problem. Another harder to measure benefit of tubeless is efficiency and ride quality. Friction between the tube and the tire creates heat, which is energy lost. Without that extra rubber there, it just feels better.
The benefits of going tubeless are so numerous that some riders are religiously opposed to inner tubes, but I’m not part of that crowd. If you ride casually, or run higher pressure, I think inner tubes are less of a hassle. You can leave your bike in the shed for months at a time and pump it right back up. If your tire is less than perfect, it’ll still hold air. You can take it on and off with tire levers without worrying about messing up the bead. Finally, for a beginner just learning how to work on a bike it’s easier to set up. So to each his own. All my mountain bikes are tubeless ready.
But today we’re just here to talk about the weight savings, so let’s weigh this sucker again and check our results. 2.51 Kilograms. So that’s a weight reduction of 145 grams per wheel. That’s 290 grams or about 10 ounces or a little over half a pound. If you are one to count grams, then this would be no brainer. What do you guys think? Is this more than you thought? Less? If it weren’t for flat protection do you think going tubeless would be worth it purely on the weight savings? I want to know what you think. Thanks for riding with me today and I’ll see you next time.

Пікірлер: 651
@chicken045
@chicken045 7 жыл бұрын
It DOES feel better without that extra rubber!
@dylanewelch
@dylanewelch 7 жыл бұрын
you get 1 thumb up for making me giggle. but 2 imaginary thumbs down for bad pun
@gienry
@gienry 7 жыл бұрын
Giggity
@WIPEYOURLENZ
@WIPEYOURLENZ 7 жыл бұрын
chicken045 My Mrs will not let me ride without a rubber.
@m.mcgehee6858
@m.mcgehee6858 7 жыл бұрын
greasemonger29 that was good... ok
@jleau89
@jleau89 7 жыл бұрын
mrs palmer and her five daughters?
@ninejets
@ninejets 7 жыл бұрын
"without the extra rubber there it just feels better" Wise words
@call_me_jujo_9493
@call_me_jujo_9493 2 жыл бұрын
thats what she said
@omnomnom1391
@omnomnom1391 7 жыл бұрын
yes, I like the feeling I get without the extra rubber.
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
+Bitca Victor don't we all
@mikebunero6147
@mikebunero6147 7 жыл бұрын
haHAAAAAAA!!!! yes
@madgigahz
@madgigahz 7 жыл бұрын
Yessssss I was gonna say the same thing lol. "Never use condoms son, they take away all the feeling" -Don't Be A Menace To South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood
@nathanvlogs1488
@nathanvlogs1488 7 жыл бұрын
Love your vids
@miket9396
@miket9396 6 жыл бұрын
Christopher Gifford ... "That's my boy"
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
Note: On 27.5 x 2.3 tires, the 2 ounces of sealant I used would only work when everything is new and perfect. If it were harder to get sealed up I'd need 3 ounces, which would add a total of 56 additional grams on the entire bike. Ugh...now I sound like a weight weenie. Never that!
@eazymothafuckine1255
@eazymothafuckine1255 7 жыл бұрын
Seth's Bike Hacks wassup my homie seth
@ReeceBeveridge
@ReeceBeveridge 7 жыл бұрын
best bike for less than $1500?
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
+Reece Beveridge That's a tough one... it really depends on what kind of riding you'll be doing. Check out Greg Heil's budget mountain bike article on Singletracks.com.
@pandevant
@pandevant 7 жыл бұрын
and offset the weight of the tape and other items making it tubeless ready.
@ReeceBeveridge
@ReeceBeveridge 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply, ill give that article a read, love the videos man!
@goodrichgarage5657
@goodrichgarage5657 7 жыл бұрын
" it just feels better without that extra rubber in the way" :) hahaha sorry for my immaturity. Great vid Seth.
@terancecharkowsky9883
@terancecharkowsky9883 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Seth, I'm going legit mountain bike for my first time this weekend, because of you, I have a tubeless system and a dropper post in the mail and it's all because of you and your channel
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your new ride man! That's what it's all about
@theRhinsRanger
@theRhinsRanger 6 жыл бұрын
Terance Charkowsky - and how’s your mountain biking doing now?
@pyllynalle5573
@pyllynalle5573 5 жыл бұрын
hey man! i started riding beacpuse of him too. i have an mtb and i want to go tubeless. i just want to ask you something. do you have to buy a tubeless tire or can you just use the old tire that was on the wheel with the inner tube. thanks!
@tomassmolik5110
@tomassmolik5110 4 жыл бұрын
@@pyllynalle5573 you can use the old one but it is not that great
@pyllynalle5573
@pyllynalle5573 4 жыл бұрын
@@tomassmolik5110 thanks bro!
@navarredr
@navarredr 7 жыл бұрын
Cactus is everywhere around here. I got flats all the time until I converted to tubeless. I haven't had a flat since, on 4 bikes converted to tubeless, in over a year. Weight savings is just a bonus.
@jacobgaddis4773
@jacobgaddis4773 7 жыл бұрын
Navarre nice to know, I live in Arizona and I get a flat at least 1 time every 2 weeks
@jf0314
@jf0314 7 жыл бұрын
Jacob Gaddis go tubeless, such a difference in dealing with thorns...at least in Tucson.
@navarredr
@navarredr 7 жыл бұрын
Jacob Gaddis jf03q4 - I'm also in Tucson. All of my conversions were 'ghetto' with Gorilla tape and valve stems, btw. Air compressor really helps.
@jacobgaddis4773
@jacobgaddis4773 7 жыл бұрын
can I just take the stems from popped tires and duct tape instead of buying stems and rim tape
@navarredr
@navarredr 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe not ideal, but yes. Here is a step by step: www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-repair/tech-how-to-ghetto-tubeless-for-mountain-bikes/
@nikleiser5888
@nikleiser5888 7 жыл бұрын
You should mention that you save weight at the rotating mass (which is way more beneficial than somethere else)
@nikleiser5888
@nikleiser5888 7 жыл бұрын
TheSmartOne But maybe significant for PROs ?
@TheCrocidolite
@TheCrocidolite 7 жыл бұрын
Well Im not pro and I can feel a huge difference in acceleration and change of direction while riding. I didn't believe the hype for a while.. until I tried it..
@mysty0
@mysty0 6 жыл бұрын
Neil Booysens calculation assumes equal distribution of weight and doesn't calculate the angular acceleration from the moment of inertia
@Dinty51
@Dinty51 3 жыл бұрын
@@mysty0 that plus he assumes that all the weight is in the rim and tire area ( between radius .6m & .68m). A large portion of the weight is in the spokes and hub. That means less mass is in that aforementioned area, of which the 140g savings will me much more significant. Long story short, the further you go away from a spinning axis, the more important that mass is. Therefore the 140g is shaved of the most critical area.
@joshsstuffs5877
@joshsstuffs5877 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you posted this. I had recently searched your channel for a pro/con argument for this. I used to think that tubes were the only way to go but switched to tubeless on my new stumpy and haven't looked back.
@RickBoatman
@RickBoatman 7 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love love love the tubeless system , especially Stan's! my first bike got it back in April of 2002... Fast-forward to 2016 and I have had zero flats in all that time... Knock on wood.
@troruaz
@troruaz 7 жыл бұрын
For MTB and me living in the desert southwest USA, tubeless is the way to go period no matter if there's weight saving or not! Bullheads, cactus spines, sharp rocks = more time spent patching/replacing tubes than riding. The extra maintenance of having to do a sealant refresh every few months is worth the flat protection it provides. A good sealant (e.g. Stanz) is a god-send for handling all those on-trail hazards.
@868_4_Life
@868_4_Life 7 жыл бұрын
This video is at least 6 months old and is still one of the best on KZfaq. GREAT JOB!
@WillOrtizVlogs
@WillOrtizVlogs 7 жыл бұрын
I like the tubeless because of the pinch flats. I had so many before I went tubeless now I'm a happy camper! BTW I'm digging the consistency combined with the increase in the number of videos your throwing out!
@Toastybear1
@Toastybear1 7 жыл бұрын
i think go tubeless- but carry an inner tube, you can always use it in an emergency, eliminating the walking home factor of tubeless punctures :)
@CaptainYodelstein
@CaptainYodelstein 6 жыл бұрын
toasty bear, right. No amount of sealer will fix a sidewall tear. Could save some walking for sure.
@richardjones2811
@richardjones2811 3 жыл бұрын
Goes to show even in an emergency the tube is still needed!
@bullseye0112
@bullseye0112 7 жыл бұрын
Going tubeless has so many advantages. I can always feel the difference after I change from tubes to tubeless. .5 lb doesn't seem like much but it will over the course of a long day especially if that involves climbing. I had tubes in my new bike and got 2 flats because of thorns. Went tubeless, rode the same trail, got home and had thorns in my tire. zero flats. I pulled out the thorn and the sealant covered the hole.
@Firehead427
@Firehead427 6 жыл бұрын
I've given tubeless some thought. Your results are far less weight loss than I would expect. Your video is excellent. I'm riding a new bike and switching tires often. It would seem that tubes are less of a hassle when swapping tires.
@Razor89
@Razor89 7 жыл бұрын
Love that you're using the metric system!
@thepedalingchef1738
@thepedalingchef1738 7 жыл бұрын
Great idea for a video Seth. Now I can show my riding buddies who didn't believe it maked that much of a difference to go tubeless.
@kimrice394
@kimrice394 7 жыл бұрын
I'm religiously tubeless! Given the wheel is tubeless ready. Not for weight though, that's just a bonus. Small punctures are inevitable. Given the time crunch most adults are in, it just makes sense. More reliable, better handling, and more versatile.
@4xfanatick
@4xfanatick 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a little surprised. when I went tubeless it felt like a whole lot more weight was lost! the overall ride and so forth is better so I'm still a fan. thanks for the vid
@RochesterGT
@RochesterGT 7 жыл бұрын
Here in Arizona, I got a new mountain bike and literally within 3 minutes of riding it for the first time, I got a flat thanks to a thorn. I have switched to tubeless and haven't had a problem since. And I'll agree that the bike does "feel" different, and I do like to be able to run lower pressures.
@fletcha556
@fletcha556 7 жыл бұрын
for me tubeless is probably one of the best things i have done to my bike i did notice the a lighter feel as its a rotating mass. but just having the extra grip is the main reason for me its just so much more confidence inspiring when i went tubeless and now its been 7 months and not one flat since!
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
+Tony Rides MTB yeah I'd need to agree. I never get my rides cut short anymore over a nasty bump. Tubeless is definitely harder to get set up, but once it's done-it's done.
@PeterSzymanski
@PeterSzymanski 7 жыл бұрын
Always loved the idea of tubeless, but never really had a chance to ride tubeless. I've tried my old bike, but failed. So finally after riding my 2014 Giant Trance 3 for 2 years and constantly getting pinch flats I converted the front wheel to tubeless with vinyl 3M tape and sealant + Kenda Nevegal X Pro tubeless ready tire. I could not believe I was able to inflate that tire with a mini pump on a stock wheel even without the sealant. Time will tell if this works or not, but I have high hopes. The reason for the conversion was lower pressure (grip) and no flats (harder riding). Thanks for the video, this Orange P7 RS looks really cool.
@achilleasdimopoulos4683
@achilleasdimopoulos4683 7 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see you riding this bike.I m in love with it ^_^
@RyanMarcyesOutdoors
@RyanMarcyesOutdoors 7 жыл бұрын
I have not made the switch yet, but I am thinking of it when I either get a new bike or do my upgrade to my 2009 Pitch Comp. Thanks for the video, keep it coming.
@svtford4212
@svtford4212 7 жыл бұрын
he just wanted to say love your channel me and my wife got mountain bike and been going to markham cause of you thanks man
@GenStarscream
@GenStarscream 7 жыл бұрын
Orange looks fabulous!! It's nice weight-saving for me
@jamesguralski5156
@jamesguralski5156 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah I had to use air compressor to fill n seat tires to rims. Skinny rims n wide Bontrager xr4 2.6 tires. I used Stan's sealant... Oh and added 150 mm dropper seat post. Had to hack in a internal routed cable, nice. Love the channel
@timwainz
@timwainz 7 жыл бұрын
I love the daily videos this week Seth
@jerryvolpini7987
@jerryvolpini7987 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, about what I thought (weight difference). As for the benefits, I find the acceleration and ride quality of tubeless marginally better, more grip (lower psi), and less flats. I do find tubeless a bit of a pain - refilling sealant and occassionally removing excess (dried up) sealant. So, I still use tubes on my bikes that see less frequent use. However, when it comes to regular trail riding, tubeless is the way to go!
@darksidegaming476
@darksidegaming476 7 жыл бұрын
thanks seth you taught me how to ride my mtb on jumps and you taught me how to hop and wheelie
@wyattdoc23
@wyattdoc23 7 жыл бұрын
I've been tubeless on every bike I own since 2008. Definitely worth it for the flat protection and lower rotating mass for faster acceleration. Even on a road bike it's a must have for me.
@dudeguy9943
@dudeguy9943 Жыл бұрын
been an additional 5 years ... any flats yet ?
@xBeanx
@xBeanx 7 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I honestly wasn't sure what to think. I myself run tubeless, but to anyone else considering it just go for it, especially because it'll weigh less. In the end it's totally worth it.
@cornishcactus
@cornishcactus 4 жыл бұрын
Old school Seth, come a long way dude!
@Daniel-yg7wh
@Daniel-yg7wh 2 жыл бұрын
"without that extra rubber there it just feels better" - I get you mate 🤣
@fra93ilgrande
@fra93ilgrande 7 ай бұрын
🤣💦😮‍💨🤤
@AdrianSchwizgebel
@AdrianSchwizgebel 6 жыл бұрын
I‘m not a tubeless rider (yet) but I want to add something to your saying: It’s not only lighter, the bigger benefit comes from the fact that it has less rotational mass. That is not to underestimate. Same goes for lighter rims, it’s not just the bare weight that counts, it’s the mass at the bigger radius that makes it feel lighter to pedal.
@tateblack8384
@tateblack8384 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome looking bike can't wait to see it
@vihrenkostadino
@vihrenkostadino 7 жыл бұрын
This hardtail is eyewateringly beautiful 😍
@robwasnj
@robwasnj 7 жыл бұрын
Cool video but one thing overlooked was usually the rim taped used for tubed installation is lighter than the gorilla tape that was used here. Also there's lighter weight tubes and often more sealant needs to be used as well. With that said I run all tubeless, lots of thorns here and it's nice to be free of that hassle.
@realmentalpulse2622
@realmentalpulse2622 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this - you are the first non-fad driven person I've heard give the straight up pros and cons
@remusmoise8836
@remusmoise8836 7 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so cool! Thanks sharing!
@deadjoey77
@deadjoey77 7 жыл бұрын
The fact that you are getting rid of weight that is on the outside of the wheel is really huge. rotational mass is a devil.
@rusogonzalez
@rusogonzalez 7 жыл бұрын
TheSmartOne those equations are correct but I don't think it is what he was referring to. Mass Moment of inertia.
@rusogonzalez
@rusogonzalez 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I wasn't finished when I replied previously. I calculated the MOI differently. I think it is because we must have assumed different tire width. But still, using your numbers, the difference seems insignificant but that is almost 6% change. That means 6% change in steering forces. Those kind of numbers can be pretty substantial when we talk about steering feel and agility.
@amac2730
@amac2730 7 жыл бұрын
How to ruin mountain biking: Math
@peteralexander6514
@peteralexander6514 7 жыл бұрын
How to ruin (and maybe, just maybe fixing) everything: Math. Sorry, but I just suck(ed) at math.
@kaedeschulz5422
@kaedeschulz5422 3 жыл бұрын
Considering that the 150gramms of savings is basically in the tire the difference become a lot compared to saving weight on your hub for example.
@totalNascha
@totalNascha 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making such a great Video! Thats exactly what i need😍👍
@terryinri
@terryinri 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely worth it. I’ll do whatever it takes to drop a few lbs.
@4c107
@4c107 7 жыл бұрын
A few weeks ago I ran my bike through some sort of thorn paradise and covered my tire with them, because I was running tubeless it was no problem, all I did was pull them out. A tube would have been gameover. Went tubeless a little over a year ago and its been maintenance free with no flats at all, compared to having to patch a tube at least a couple times a month and getting one pinch flat that made me walk home. I think I went through 6 tubes in a year, Stan's is expensive but not as expensive as replacing tubes all the time.
@Rhavavel
@Rhavavel 7 жыл бұрын
Rotating mass makes the difference. My experiences are that tubeless are also perfect for 6fattie bikes. They are built with bigger tubes to fit into 3.0 wheels. Those tubes are about 350-400 gramms each. Using tubeless on a fattie bike is awesome and rotating mass reduced by over half of a kilo is mindblowing.
@shredntread9600
@shredntread9600 7 жыл бұрын
Its worth for the weight savings and the no hassle fuss compared to tubes. I always use a tire lever to put tire on...not sure what seal you were talking about hurting. Tire does not seal up until the bead is set...unless you mean the rim tape. Keep Shredn !!
@richardtydryszewski8919
@richardtydryszewski8919 7 жыл бұрын
flat protection is by far the only reason i run tubeless. i hate carrying extra tubes on me because then u have to carry an mini pump and a gage just more things i dont need. on very long technical rides as a precautionary measure i will carry a tube and mini pump just in case the tire or rim break and for whatever reason i cant get it to reseal. had this happen on my 2016 cannondale trigger carbon 1 on my carbon rims, i went to hop up onto a curb and cracked my brand new rim and it wouldnt seal so i had to throw a tube in there. for the past 4 months I've been riding tubeless in the front and tube in the rear. until lay week i decided i was determined to get my rim to seal tubeless again. i removed, cleaned and installed new tape actually meant for a road bike and i had to use 2 layers because the glue on the tubeless tapes won't sick to my carbon rims. and i put the valve in and i poured literally 8oz of sealant in just that rear. half the tire was already stated and i have a charge pump first attempt it didnt seat but blew sealant through the crack in the rim. the second attempt seated half the bread and i just kept pumping air into it for around 10 mins straight i was sore. then i charged the pump up again and hit it with the charge again seated the whole tire it was still leaking sealant out the side of the rim so i removed the tire and put tape over the crack and secured it to the tape in the center. and i charged and shot into again it seated the whole bad and held pressure for longer and i just started pumping until the pressure went up to about 35psi and i left the crack down where the sealant was for a bit then took it outside and bounced it around a bit. then bam is sealed. had sealant leaking out for about an hour or 2 after that then it was completely sealed. for those who comment i shouldn't be riding on a cracked rim well im just gonna say that I've been riding in it for over 100 miles doing double black diamond trails and jumps and so far no spreading or any creaking or signs of it getting worse. i do have a warranty rim that was sent to me by the factory but it's expensive to swap a rim (relace and truing) like 60 bux. but tubeless is the only way i never get flats anymore. the manufacturer told me that i shouldn't run under 25psi on my rims though.
@rustler08
@rustler08 7 жыл бұрын
After having my bike sitting, waiting for parts, I found my perfectly good tube went from holding air to having a hole in it. Since I vowed to go tubeless if it did this, I did just that. It definitely makes a difference, and holds air like a champ. I went with gorilla tape, though I know that some weight weenies will use Kapton 20mm tape or Stan's (AKA Tesa 4289) over Gorilla tape.
@Munchkinross
@Munchkinross 7 жыл бұрын
Since I went tubeless, I'll never go back. Especially because punctures!!! The once I rode a 40km ride with my club, when I got home, I found a total of 7 thorns in both my tires, I pulled them out, my tires almost instantly went flat, I pumped them up and the slime filled the holes, it was like magic. I've only had to use my spare tube once since going tubeless (Yes, I still religiously keep a spare), I was going down a steep rocky hill, and I must have grazed a sharp rock and it slit my tire wall, so I put a tube in to finish the ride, I landed up having to replace that tire unfotunately. I also prefer a softer ride, and tubeless has allowed me to use less pressure too, the bike just feels better and I generally have more confidence running tubeless.
@eschelar
@eschelar 7 жыл бұрын
I like this video. I think a few other things you might want to look at: Weigh the wheel before and after inflation. When you increase pressure, you're increasing the density of the air inside. A wheel at
@christenbarton4114
@christenbarton4114 7 жыл бұрын
I mainly ride DH and am tubeless on both trail an DH bikes. Most downhill riders swear by tubes but I've put tubeless through its paces and it's always passed the test where tubes have failed. Don't care about weight, it's just more reliable. I always use tyre levers too, there ok if your careful, never lifted the tape but I've had factory wheels sent with creased tape.
@stewartsummerside2971
@stewartsummerside2971 7 жыл бұрын
I have a giant trance advanced carbon which is nice and light going tubeless makes it even more light and super fast on the trails
@niallmurphy2429
@niallmurphy2429 7 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you what I think...that Orange P7 is gorgeous!! Sweet video, subscribed! Would love to start a channel in the U.K. for bikes, need to do it!
@stephenchrishanson
@stephenchrishanson 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you did this. Lots of people/brands pushing tubeless for the sake of weight reduction, which you just proved isn't that substantial... useless you race then every gram counts. No doubt tubeless is the winner if you plan to run low psi.
@MrICE003
@MrICE003 7 жыл бұрын
great job Seth...keep up the good work uploading great videos! #standwithscotty
@sonorangaming449
@sonorangaming449 7 жыл бұрын
I live in Arizona and everytime I ride, not on a road, I get a flat, just one but tired of buying tubes. Gotta shell out the money and for TR tread and sealants. Yes, I think tubeless is gonna be worth it.
@michael_the_chef
@michael_the_chef 4 жыл бұрын
Try that with a double down or dh casing, I broke 4 tyre levers 😂, no Chance with your hands only. What I felt when running tubless the first time, the tyre rolls a lot faster on the trails 👍
@Mr_RichardH
@Mr_RichardH 7 жыл бұрын
That's roughly the weight reduction I would expect. And it might not sound like much, but it's rotational weight at the outside of the wheel, so it makes a difference to how 'snappy' the wheels feel when you accelerate. I was a tubeless nay-sayer for years till I bought my last bike which was ready-set for tubeless. I haven't had a puncture since January 2015 and the lower pressures I can run really give my bike so much grip, it's confidence inspiring. I wouldn't go back to tubes now.
@flyinbylas
@flyinbylas 7 жыл бұрын
I agree, I turned my nose up at tubeless for years. When I got my 2016 6Fattie the bike shop set it up tubeless and with the larger plus size tires it was a complete night and day difference!! I will never go back to tubes for my main bike. I do run tubes in my spare bike because just like Seth said, it can sit for months and all I have to do is pump up the tires and it is ready to go.
@DCsk8rgoelz
@DCsk8rgoelz 6 жыл бұрын
this. the complexity of the physics are what make this so hard to understand.
@ricofiori3327
@ricofiori3327 7 жыл бұрын
Tubeless tires where I live are even lighter since the tubes have to have slime in them. This is because in the Southwest, there are a lot of thorns on the ground, which makes slime a must. Since it's easier to get a lighter wheel rolling, tubeless tires have a decided advantage on uphill terrain that undulates.
@tmerrick24
@tmerrick24 7 жыл бұрын
If the tubeless setup weighed more I'd still run it. I like how it feels better, and the ability to lower tire pressure. I love that Orange, man! I can't wait to see some riding vids on her!
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
+Thomas Merrick Me too man, it really is noticeable. I'm finally getting the hell out of my house and back on the trails this weekend to break 'er in! I'm stoked!
@tmerrick24
@tmerrick24 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah!
@dixsdoks
@dixsdoks 7 жыл бұрын
just out of curiosity whats the weight on the orange? i went to a few different sites and couldn't find an official weight on it.
@JacksonFTW
@JacksonFTW 7 жыл бұрын
I agree. Plus, never getting flats is nice.
@adegarza34
@adegarza34 7 жыл бұрын
Def worth it don't have to worry about pinch flats or and kind of flats save about 200 grams witch is not really a big deal. It still weight saving and don't have to constantly pull out tube to patch or replace
@ianpavey5483
@ianpavey5483 7 жыл бұрын
I've got a Specialized Fuze 27.5 plus. Going tubeless means I can go down to 12 psi front, 16 psi rear. Tyres perform waaaaay better and on ditching the tubes saves a heap (they're much heavier than regular 27.5/29 tubes). I calculated a saving of 350 grams.
@lucymtb
@lucymtb 7 жыл бұрын
Yay! super stocked your coming out to Alafia but I wouldn't just bring out a hard tail! that's great for graviton (for sessioning ) but then again specialized and salsa will be there for demos ... if you find the need to rent one just come down to Aj'S bikes and we will hook you up wit a full suspension :) anyways I'll be working at vendor villiage Sunday 8-2 so maybe I'll see you then ! Have a great time ! make sure your ride ridgeline over in Boyette ! And I just finish building spit fire at Alafia short section off of north creek , which I know you will love!
@rightcoastermtb2340
@rightcoastermtb2340 3 жыл бұрын
beast mode with the floor pump!
@dailyphilippinebiker9067
@dailyphilippinebiker9067 5 жыл бұрын
Although my bikes are with tubes(because I’m lazy turning it into tubeless and it’s not tubeless ready) I use the hand trick when changing the tires and inner tubes(I also don’t have tire levers) both on my Trinx Xtreme-X1 and a bike shop BMX, I have no trouble putting the tire back in(except for the inner tubes)the rims. So, yeah
@michaelsmart4993
@michaelsmart4993 7 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you got the bead to set with a regular pump...I've never been able to. Nice!
@victorgiannella8463
@victorgiannella8463 7 жыл бұрын
so excited for the se big ripper
@camshaft1840
@camshaft1840 7 жыл бұрын
Its actually more than I thought it would be. I run tubeless for the overall feel and traction. Its so much better
@TheGhostfaceKLR
@TheGhostfaceKLR 7 жыл бұрын
"Without that extra rubber in there it just feels better". Amen. I mean, we're talking about tires. ;-) Thanks for the great KZfaq vids, Seth.
@maxnefedev9097
@maxnefedev9097 7 жыл бұрын
You make the best videos
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
+Max Nefedev thanks!
@theRhinsRanger
@theRhinsRanger 6 жыл бұрын
Wow that’s loads more than I thought, it must make a huge rotational weight difference
@MikeinCC
@MikeinCC 7 жыл бұрын
In the AZ desert I don't go tubeless for weight savings. In fact, by the time you get a couple layers of sealant on the inside of the tire, the weight savings are likely negated. For AZ mountain bikers it's lower pressures over desert rocks and, of course, puncture protection from cacti. Almost every time I ride I come back with thorns protruding from my tire. If you run tubed here, you're doomed.If you're tubeless, it's an afterthought. Your experiment proved more than I thought tho.
@ninoelcastro2905
@ninoelcastro2905 4 жыл бұрын
Tubeless rocks. My rim crossride NTR Tire Skinwall TR. in passed days my rear had stapler on it. And i pull it out. And it still holds like champ.
@kingrat738
@kingrat738 7 жыл бұрын
My 29er came to me (pre-loved) tubeless... I rode it for a while this way & noticed no difference in riding (when compared to my 650b mule which is tubed). I soon returned to tubes w/o issue i.e. I like(d) swapping around tires. After watching this video I may try tubeless again.
@danielevans9153
@danielevans9153 7 жыл бұрын
I've always read you can't seat tubeless without an air compressor. I need to replace the sealant in mine, glad to see you can do it with a floor pump.
@miosina_629
@miosina_629 7 жыл бұрын
I got 2 maxxis ikon, floor pump is enuff. I´ve heard some other brands are harder
@aidanhahn7987
@aidanhahn7987 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Seth I love your videos and keep up the good work. also one quick question would you recommend going tubeless or 1x
@rafferafferaffe
@rafferafferaffe 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Seth! I'd be awesome if you made a proper video of "DIY, make/install tubeless tires" ! Thanks for all the vids :)
@noahmumtaz8334
@noahmumtaz8334 7 жыл бұрын
That orange looks amazing !
@SethsBikeHacks
@SethsBikeHacks 7 жыл бұрын
+Noah Mumtaz right!? I'm taking it out for a proper beat down this weekend.
@noahmumtaz8334
@noahmumtaz8334 7 жыл бұрын
Seth's Bike Hacks sounds great man look forward to the videos from that. Love what your doing keep it up !
@dsb1829
@dsb1829 7 жыл бұрын
Biggest issue I have with tubeless, being 240lb, is that most casings are not robust enough. True UST tires from 5-10 years back dealt with this via a thicker casing which mostly negated weight savings. For pure XC a converted or tubeless ready tire is fine and actually more comfortable with less susceptibility to thorn/pinch flats. Rim dings are going to happen, but flats are all but eliminated. Take that same tire and hit a 3-4ft drop with an off camber landing and the tire is going to burp, maybe even unseat entirely. That is where thick UST casings or converting DH clincher tires becomes necessary. No hate on tubeless, been running some variant of it since around 2005 on my trail bikes.
@alexn5159
@alexn5159 7 жыл бұрын
I grew up in the period of constant snake bites, psi higher than 50 was rare and handlebars shift all the time. I always bought thick heavy tubes and still do. Though when I rip around on my buddies bike that has thin tubes pumped up to 110 psi. Front/rear brakes with gyro, pegs and it's a grip lighter than my brakeless pegless stripped down bike. Dropping unsprung weight pays dividends. I'm just waiting on my heavy tires and tubes to wear out...
@grahamcowles2362
@grahamcowles2362 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a colab between you and Adam LZ, would be really cool because of how you used to ride bmx.
@Cj-nd3nv
@Cj-nd3nv 7 жыл бұрын
I love tubeless, but always travel with a spare tube. In the three years I've been running tubeless I've never had a flat (other than when I went a silly riding 18psi (as an experiment) on rock garden and drop repeats. Burped completely out and then rolled down(grassy)hill on the flat rear which resulted in sidewall snakebite. However, even this was solved with a Seth hack (see his vid. on adding glitter to fix big holes on tubeless tyres)).
@CoryJustus
@CoryJustus 7 жыл бұрын
I think the weight savings are worth it in this case. Wheels are rotational weight and the weight loss is at the most outward portion of your wheel. Lastly, we notice the effects of less weight when accelerating or decelerating most. In mountain biking these events happen all the time which is different from when you ride on the road. Go ride a trail with a lot of short punchy climbs with and without tubes to see what I mean.
@pretzel8796
@pretzel8796 7 жыл бұрын
Keep posting daily pls
@ket8mine
@ket8mine 7 жыл бұрын
hey seth great video, could we maybe see another bmx video maybe some tips/hacks to make it easier fixing your bike etc.
@hawkeye5035
@hawkeye5035 7 жыл бұрын
Nice t-shirt!! Twin Six rocks!
@aimanmohamed8212
@aimanmohamed8212 7 жыл бұрын
That bike is awesome!
@aimanmohamed8212
@aimanmohamed8212 7 жыл бұрын
Pls review the bike!
@dcjjensen2
@dcjjensen2 7 жыл бұрын
weight savings nice, but my world changed after a ride in Albuquerque going thorough four tubes, limping in on leakers, then trying to patch literally 15 gaitter head punctures, b4 I gave up and ordered a set of stan's arches. I've patched torn sidewalls with a piece of gorilla tape and some fresh sealant. what used to be common to have to fix a flat just almost never happens now.
@jonowee
@jonowee 7 жыл бұрын
Weight savings are less important for me, but puncture protection is the top priority and convenience out riding. Even if I did buy proprietary tubeless system like UST, I'll still run sealant and care a spare tube just in case. Having to choose between the first or spare tube which leaked less air after pinching both on the trail is quite the buzz kill.
@thechaosengine3020
@thechaosengine3020 7 жыл бұрын
The weight saving is on the rolling weight, which makes it far easier to accelerate and maintain speed. However I have to use heavier tyres with tougher sidewalls due to the terrain I live in so this negates any weight saving over the original tyres that came with the bike. But I run tubeless because It offers far better grip (which inspires confidence), is more efficient, feels better to ride and I have only had one (noticeable) puncture in a year which I had to put a tube in to fix. It may cost more but the benefits far outweigh the cost if you ride regularly. Besides, I don't know how many tubes I would have gone through in the meantime! I took a group of school kids out a few weeks ago and 3 out of 7 bikes running tubes had punctures in the front wheel on the first half of the first trail. The 5 bikes that were running tubeless had no issues and clearly had more grip and inspired more confidence - especially when we swapped bikes so they could see the difference. It is also probably worth pointing out that the 4 crashes/falls that we had were due to front tyres (running tubes) slipping.
@mindblower5201
@mindblower5201 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Seth. I love your videos and channel. Could you tell me the name of your mtb stand and where you got it
@omur8080
@omur8080 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Seth, I've been watching and enjoying your videos for a long time now. You're doing a GREAT job, thanks!I have a question for you, I have a DB Release with the inner tubes in. The rear is flat and I can't break the bead to get the tire off, so that I can convert it to tubeless. The tube and tire have a small puncture in it and won't hold any air. I tried tire levers, pushing and pulling on the tire and wheel, even used c-clamps the squeeze the tire together and away from the rim walls to break the bead - but no luck. Do you have any tips?
@aldisdzerve2264
@aldisdzerve2264 4 жыл бұрын
2019 and still use tubes.. They work fine on my dirt bike, and they do work fine on my bicycle... Maybe on next bike i will try,
@snochild155
@snochild155 7 жыл бұрын
I have been running tubeless on my OEM Chaoyang Big Daddy 27.5x2.8 tires for a bit now, they have been excellent until Sunday when I actually ripped a hole in the side of my sidewall (but at the end of the day I would have been in the same position on the trail w/ a tube so I'm still a fan). Loving the videos, keep up the good work. You have any preference for a all use trail tire for the North East (Massachusetts)? I was leaning Maxxis Minion DHR II PLUS Dual Compound for rear/ DHF Plus in 3C front.
@staceyfletcher7814
@staceyfletcher7814 6 жыл бұрын
I live in Australia there is so many prickles over here and I always get flats so I am getting new rims and tires and going tubeless
@mgn3320
@mgn3320 7 жыл бұрын
I like the idea with tubes to be able to change them whenever and wherever while tube less setup you need co2 and sealant. but obviously tube less is a better setup overall
@jf0314
@jf0314 7 жыл бұрын
The benefit of running tubeless in the desert is better results with thorns, weight savings is a bonus.
@KairosZenith
@KairosZenith 6 жыл бұрын
i had a downhill bike and used the "No-Flat" tubes. i did NOT get one flat with those tubes in using that bike for over 5 years :)
@OldDirtGuy
@OldDirtGuy 7 жыл бұрын
I have a favorite tire that gets punctures really easy when run tubeless. So it's always hosing sealant all over the place, even if it doesn't go flat. The same tires are quite reliable with even very light tubes in them. Go figure. I run tubeless on bikes that I run different tires on.
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