I still think Moradi CJ 240 as a 94 is more impressive than Ilya CJ 246 as a 105

Also, Id love to see Tian clean 246, i bet he could do it with relative ease haha

@@TheSilversimon top 3 cleaners no doubt

@@TheSilversimon moradi's 205kg snatch though 🥶🤯🔥

From a purely technical perspective, Tian's bar path off the floor is objectively better than Ilya's. Besides that it's mostly individual differences between the two. Ultimately Ilya lifted more sinclair-wise, though sinclair obviously includes the jerk, and also comparing sinclair between eras doesn't make that much sense. Therefore it's pretty hard to say who's a better cleaner and splitting hairs at that point.

@@trtnec I would argue ilyas bar bath off the floor is better and through to the hips. Anywho good day and good night.

@@chrisgeorge84 that’s interesting. I’m not sure what you consider a better bar path, but Ilya’s goes slightly outward then back in, while Tian’s comes immediately inward. The latter is objectively more efficient from a standpoint of force needed to complete the lift.

Thats exactly what I was thinking when I read the title

@@trtnec outward? Are you talking about the bit where the bar slightly rolls forward as Ilya is dropping his hips to pull off the floor? Cuz once the bar is off the floor there is no forward movement for Ilya. Also tian starts near vertical which I think gives the illusion that his bar is coming in more dramatically

That’s a brilliant point. We spoke about that off air but should have mentioned it. His timing in the bounce is phenomenal!

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That's what I thought too

not trying to hate, but Ilya is better

@@kaliningradtoczechrepublic8162 236 at 96 vs 246 at 105, it's really hard to say. I think they're on par with eachother.

Maybe we need a Tian video?

@@WeightliftingHouse aukhadov power jerk??

Missing way to many lifts through doubt maybe because your attempting to many heavy lifts before you have your head around the weight . It’s beating you mentally and then beating you physically . I know when I was missing to many lifts in training it was because I wasn’t spending enough time building up to those lifts and working for long enough at percentages etc .Olympic lifting is a slow journey . If you were bodybuilding then diet and nutrition is a science but with Olympic lifting the science is in the training and how you get to those successful maximum lifts and how you get there on time for competition day .Olympic weightlifting truly is poetry in motion . Enjoy your lifting 😊

Here, here! Andrew aramnau is the Cinderella man of weightlifting.

@@onguad the way he utilized the clean to jerk transition is actually better than Ilyin. Overall he was a more complete Olympic lifter than Ilyin ever could be. His 200/236 2008 Olympic performance is still superior than any comp Ilyin ever put together.

@@eloiishya complete agreement, and even now after all of these years he can still duke it out. There was only competition for second place in Beijing because of him.

@@onguad I know exactly what you mean WH Seb mentioned in a video about Aramnau snatching up to 190kg in training hall 2029 WWC. it's interesting for anyone else reading this comment. In an interview Klokov recalled that after everyone else took their attempts in the snatch Aramnau was still doing his warm up-and-coming for first attempt at 193kg. And it's hilarious everyone knew they would be fighting for 2nd place. It's too bad Aramnau had some problems "off the field" so to speak which ultimately didn't help his injuries which took him out for so long. Could you imagine Aramnau at 2014 Kazakhstan Almaty? Duking it out with the rest of the 105kg class!!!

@haneefm7020 iliya said he took breaks. 2014 he had a work capacity comeback, then followed by "juiced to the gills" phase

Good pun ! Nobody is clean in the olimpic medalist level , stop kidding yourself !

neither was anyone else

@@marledanimefan7186 Shut up lol what did I say to make it seem like I believe he is the only one doping? This video is talking about Ilya only, so I’m talking about Ilya only. Dumb comment.

@@bdnomi6108 no shit!?!?

Do you think any of them were? 😂

Can’t mention all of the greats! He gets his mentions though on this channel

Hence the "of Our Generation" in the title.

@@WeightliftingHouse Indeed your video on him is great. Congrats to your contribution to the sport ( should have mentioned in my previous which is mu first comment to your work

It’s relatively normal for lifters built like that who will favour almost any change in torso angle over just hinging forwards

Off blocks at 105

No lol the Chinese have awful technique. The Bulgarians would dust them, and did, because having a long torso is not conducive to max power in the clean.

The way he cleans obviously works best for him. And their technique may look smoother/less foot movement but that doesn't mean it's better

If Ilya didn’t had that habit of knocking the bar forward during the first pull a la Ivan Chakarov, you can call Ilya’s clean “perfect”. Otherwise, it’s close to perfect as you can get.

I see what you did there! Nice

Bruhhhhh *laughs in Stanozolololol*

prawda

U know everyone juices right?

They are all the same as far as juice goes. It's a given in this sport. It doesn't exist without drugs on that level.

Kolecki was popped like twice bro what are you on? 😂

@@josephfeliciano6415 Hahaha 😆 but he wasn't caught 😱😁

Others used stan but can`t clean like Ilya.Why?

@@spiritinblack370 cuz he's short he's has less distance to drop in the turn over on the clean and snatch as others who are taller. Plus his arms are shorter too so locking out in either lifts are easier as well. Also we don't know how much PEDs he used could be more could be less

What is there to be said that hasn't been said already, unless someone is actually popped?