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Weird Doctrines: Freemasons, Pyramids, and Itching Ears - Episode 59 Branham Research

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Leaving the Message

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James and John examine the very strange and unusual usage of pyramids as themes for sermons in churches, including the unbelievable claim that the pyramidion represents -- or is -- Jesus Christ.

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@Weissguys6
@Weissguys6 Жыл бұрын
My goodness. The Message is so incomprehensible. Thank you so much John for helping dear people raised in this to see their way out of this maze by exposing the evolving doctrines of this “world of weird.”
@estherj.tolbert8854
@estherj.tolbert8854 8 ай бұрын
This is good stuff because it helps everyone to look for mason symbology in the Church.
@libertylarochelle8517
@libertylarochelle8517 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Following all episodes from South Australia 🇦🇺. Blessings to you both.
@Radicallambschannel
@Radicallambschannel Жыл бұрын
Wow, Branham was bazaar. 🎉
@dannyboi_663
@dannyboi_663 Жыл бұрын
He was more bizarre than a bazaar
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
​​​@@dannyboi_663thought that too. But then I thought, I bet you could buy pyramid charms, eagle belt buckles and statuettes, doctored up copies of the cloud and hale pictures, tape boy paraphernalia, copies of sermons of WMB and pictures of himself well as pictures of Hoffman's Head of Christ, and many many other items at a bizarre message bazaar, one I plan to avoid the the plague it is.
@dannyboi_663
@dannyboi_663 Жыл бұрын
@@lesliewells-ig5dl So.. you mean the products section of vogr😂
@dimakatsomokgeledi3999
@dimakatsomokgeledi3999 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I don't believe I was actually part if this cult,may God forgive us 😢
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
Yes, I know how you feel. Sometimes I think, did I really live like that,did I really endure all that, did I really believe all that? The very depressing answer is, yes. I did.
@metapolitikgedanken612
@metapolitikgedanken612 Жыл бұрын
"The Jews we got today aren't the real ones" Did Hitler really say that?
@brianfeaster8672
@brianfeaster8672 Ай бұрын
Revelation chapter 13 shows us anything is possible!
@danielabatabogdanov8586
@danielabatabogdanov8586 Жыл бұрын
I wish you could one day do a review on how Roberts Liardon´s work on Branham because i feel it´s very incomplete and leaving outmuch of these things for a reason.
@davidboehmer4359
@davidboehmer4359 Жыл бұрын
I guess Branhams ministry was a Pyramid Scheme. Huh?
@davidboehmer4359
@davidboehmer4359 Жыл бұрын
It's really weird how so many Charismatics embrace Branham as being a real man of God. I am, or was a Charismatic. But even when I heard about him and saw him being lionized on TBN. I knew something was wrong. I just didn't know the depths of it.
@jerrysullivan8424
@jerrysullivan8424 Жыл бұрын
@@davidboehmer4359 BINGO.
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
LOL!!!!
@metapolitikgedanken612
@metapolitikgedanken612 Жыл бұрын
@@davidboehmer4359 Also what I noticed. Publicly the Charis don't say anything bad about the other, even when those others practice and teach atrocious stuff. There is exceptions of cause. I recall one evangelist that practiced and thought gifts of the Spirit that he thinks 98% are false and on a wrong trajectory. I get that the focus should be on truth and not all the errors in the world for that would take too long. But at times one needs to be very clear on what is misleading people and essentially also 'vaccinating' them against the Gospel later. The test should be letting them explain the Gospel and also, if they have knowledge FROM the Holy Spirit. Then we can talk.
@victoriacosta2385
@victoriacosta2385 2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 yes!
@helenr4300
@helenr4300 Жыл бұрын
the pyramid as 'God's word in stone' like a Bible, dates back to Charles T Russell at the start of Jehovah's Witnesses late 1800s (later disavowed by JWs but the pyramid at Russell's grave has onlt recently been removed). Russell got it from somewhere else, can't recall who, possibly Miller, but also Egyptology was a huge trend over these years.
@regtaylor1163
@regtaylor1163 Жыл бұрын
Like we've seen, C.T. Russell was heavily into pyramidology, masonry was connected to cult formation in the 19th century, Mormons, Millerism, SDA, Russellism, Christian Science, so Branham would only need to, without realizing, pick up and read some of these books, looking for light, the bible not being enough, and there is no limit to the craziness that could be found. Billy Graham, Robert Schuler, Oral Roberts, Kenneth Copeland, masonic brethren, carrying out the Great Work of apostatizing Christianity. Looking for power, many pentacostals dabble in gnosticism, masonic lodges have infiltrated deep into churches.
@sjohnson1380
@sjohnson1380 Жыл бұрын
Can you give me any resources that support Graham having Masonic ties - I have heard this & speculations but for those who are die hard Graham followers I'd appreciate anything to back this up.
@metapolitikgedanken612
@metapolitikgedanken612 Жыл бұрын
People join the Masons, etc. Since they don't get 'the light', etc. in their Churches. Essentially they are searching for answers, but with that type of secret organization it won't age well. No Gospel, no Holy Spirit, no 'light' neither although one may get the impression, but it is deception.
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video!! So interesting and informative!! As far as that challenge at tne end, i doubt anyone will be able to do that, but i would love see to see a video about the top 5 attempts! I'm sure that would be fascinating!!!!
@ConniePRusso
@ConniePRusso 2 ай бұрын
Branham was everything but an authentic christian minister - thank you for all your study and sharing your experience Also no wonder K Charles acts like a king David and wants to be a world wide cult leader - many in the UK worship the monarchs
@dimakatsomokgeledi3999
@dimakatsomokgeledi3999 Жыл бұрын
I think some of the preachers knew this is false. Sometimes the pastor in the message church used to say we will never know and understand the message.I used to ask myself why he is saying that.I will ask other believers but they didn't pick it up
@apressbutton
@apressbutton Жыл бұрын
A great show guy's. It is interesting that the bible records 2 Enoch's, one from the line of Cain (Gen 4:17) and one from the line of Seth (Gen 5:18) So when people refer to Enoch I always ask which one?😀
@annielyst
@annielyst 7 ай бұрын
Interesting
@themaranathaplumbline2023
@themaranathaplumbline2023 Жыл бұрын
A lot of HIGH SOUNDING NONSENSE in the Message
@randyl3435
@randyl3435 Жыл бұрын
I left after it seemed all about Branham and him being Elijah and the silly cloud.
@sherylturnerturner1352
@sherylturnerturner1352 6 ай бұрын
The Pentagram is quite shocking.
@joshuaclark4706
@joshuaclark4706 Жыл бұрын
Considering you guys proved even branham didn't know what he was talking bout,then these so called preachers for sure are all over the place
@joshuaclark4706
@joshuaclark4706 Жыл бұрын
John,did branham mean that since he was christ manifested,if you rejected him (the capstone) you reject christ?
@LeavingtheMessage
@LeavingtheMessage Жыл бұрын
That appears to be the intended suggestion. Regardless of his intention, that is the way ministers in the cult teach it.
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
I always took it that way!
@1214gooner
@1214gooner 8 күн бұрын
To be fair Branham’s musings, Ashkenazi’s are descendants of Khazar’s-who are Turkish not Israeli.
@NihilisticJawbreaker
@NihilisticJawbreaker Жыл бұрын
I live in Georgia and back in the 90s we had a cult, The Nuwaubians, that built their own pyramid in a small town not very far from Atlanta (the government bulldozed it after they arrested the cult leader). I remember our pastor talking about how they stole the idea and I became very confused.
@trejea1754
@trejea1754 Жыл бұрын
But wait! Enoch could have built the pyramid with the spoken word!
@estherj.tolbert8854
@estherj.tolbert8854 8 ай бұрын
😂
@sanettestrydom6371
@sanettestrydom6371 20 күн бұрын
From all your research do you think that Branham really believed all these strange things homself or did he just use it to build / control his following?
@LeavingtheMessage
@LeavingtheMessage 20 күн бұрын
My personal opinion is that he believed none of it, including the Bible. One does not purposely lie about spiritual things if one believes the Bible, and if they are clearly fabricated and altered for maximum effect, the so-called spiritual experiences cannot even be believed.
@hattie-thebatty-2486
@hattie-thebatty-2486 Жыл бұрын
Scandal Skirt 👗blames The Mormons & Joseph Smith claiming to translate a Egyptian Funeral text as the "Book of Abraham" written on papyra by his own hand Siĺly Man 😝
@Chanelnumber7394
@Chanelnumber7394 Жыл бұрын
I left too than I found that a lot of his teaching comes from “ messianic Jews “ which I ve been so blessed to study the word trough , look into it if you get the chance to i would love to hear your thoughts on it thank you
@jerrysullivan8424
@jerrysullivan8424 Жыл бұрын
Messianic Jews I don't think so. here is the history of that movement. "It emerged in the 1960s and 1970s from the earlier Hebrew Christian movement,[7][8] and was most prominently propelled through the non-profit organization "Jews for Jesus"[9][10] founded in 1973 by Martin "Moishe" Rosen, an American minister under the Conservative Baptist Association.[11][12] " Messianic Jews do not teach or believe in British Israelism, However, those Gentiles in the Hebrew Roots movement do. There is a difference between the Messianic and Hebrew Roots movement.
@Chanelnumber7394
@Chanelnumber7394 Жыл бұрын
@@jerrysullivan8424 from the look of it I can definitely tell too that they’re very different as messianic Jews are believed to be Jews who converted to Christianity while keeping their Jewish identity (they have a very great understanding of the Old Testament as most converted from Judaism). As a person raised listening to WMB a lot of his teachings were Old Testament based not touching much on the New Testament. after listening to the messianic Jews teachings I can identify alot of the things I was taught from “the message”. ( But obviously excluding stuff cap stone , serpent seed etc )
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
Interesting!!
@Chanelnumber7394
@Chanelnumber7394 Жыл бұрын
@@lesliewells-ig5dl right it’s amazing what we can learn if we are seeking to learn the truth
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
@@Chanelnumber7394 yes
@user-rj8fv6fl9e
@user-rj8fv6fl9e 9 күн бұрын
😂That’s old fashioned Scientology teaching.
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
I love the movie Stargate!!!! It's one of my favorites too!
@jakedasnake3891
@jakedasnake3891 Жыл бұрын
Could you talk about whether interracial marriage is a sin or not? From The Message I’ve heard that it teaches that it’s a sin, and uses Numbers 36:6 to justify that. Thanks!
@nathanwatson1915
@nathanwatson1915 Жыл бұрын
It's definitely not a sin. The presenters in this channel have done a few videos on regressive unscriptural approaches in Message churches to race and interracial marriage, look for episodes related to the "Serpent Seed" doctrine. The big takeaways for me were: many Message churches have both black and white (or other race) representation; black members are taught they are inferior and are created to serve whites in the hereafter (at least in some versions); this teaching may be subtle, and so black members may stay in the church; for the theological particulars watch the episodes; interracial marriage is strictly prohibited; "mixed-race" people are viewed as irredeemable and thus hell-fodder.
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
​@@nathanwatson1915john and Charles talked about one man who got up to speak and the first thing g he said was, I apologize for being black. Isn't that so sad?
@nathanwatson1915
@nathanwatson1915 Жыл бұрын
@@lesliewells-ig5dl very sad, I agree.
@mischr13
@mischr13 Жыл бұрын
first off, these laws do not apply to Christians. second, when the Bible said someone of their "tribe" they meant someone of their culture, not of their race. race as a concept did not exist until the transatlantic slave trade. it's easy to project onto the past the ideas we have now, but people of that time did not have a common identity by skin color and phenotypes the way people do today. back then it was entirely based on what culture and practices you subscribed to. so even according to this scripture, interracial marriage is not forbidden but rather marriage between foreigners (there were races existing among each other even back during this time)
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
There really is only one race---the human race. There's nothing in the Bible about not marrying people with different color skin. That was a racist doctrine taught by WMB and many other racists.
@kennyjansen5633
@kennyjansen5633 Жыл бұрын
As a message believer,all I can say is God forgive you, because you just don't understand.
@estherj.tolbert8854
@estherj.tolbert8854 8 ай бұрын
please please keep watching these videos and come back to reality.
@themaranathaplumbline2023
@themaranathaplumbline2023 Жыл бұрын
They say ENOCH used the Spoken Word
@ElizabethWard777
@ElizabethWard777 Жыл бұрын
They probably got the idea for Stargate from Branham. lol
@HytonZulu
@HytonZulu Жыл бұрын
WHAT ABOUT THOSE IMAGES OF CHRIST IN THE BRANHAM TABERNACLE?IS THAT NOT AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD ALSO?
@BernadeteSCosta-id5bf
@BernadeteSCosta-id5bf Жыл бұрын
Aqui no Brasil também . rosto de Jesus rosto de branhan pirâmides .eras da igreja .tem umas que tem até a tapera velha a sim a nuvem não falta nunca
@HytonZulu
@HytonZulu Жыл бұрын
TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH PLEASE.
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
If it is, it's not nearly as bad as having pictures of WMB all over the place.
@user-nx3np6hi3b
@user-nx3np6hi3b Жыл бұрын
What on earth this minister is talking about
@Weissguys6
@Weissguys6 Жыл бұрын
The one who mentioned Sunset Mountain?
@suechapel1443
@suechapel1443 Жыл бұрын
John, you will probably be underwhelmed by the new Indiana Jones of "wokeness". Just watch all the older ones instead! God bless you 🙏❤
@engorgedscorpio1581
@engorgedscorpio1581 Жыл бұрын
Change the title to living the message
@dannyboi_663
@dannyboi_663 Жыл бұрын
Why?
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
​@@dannyboi_663that was my question too, why?
@engorgedscorpio1581
@engorgedscorpio1581 Жыл бұрын
Please read this marvellous message and know who God is
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the message of WMB? What makes you think John and James and many of us haven't read it, listened to it, and marinated ourselves in this for huge portions of our lives? We all have, we were in bandage for decades. I hope you will get free one day too.
@dannyboi_663
@dannyboi_663 Жыл бұрын
I've read the message, it isn't marvelous. It's racist, misogynistic, controlling, abusive. There's no god in it unless that god is evil.
@otengbosco1024
@otengbosco1024 Жыл бұрын
John Collins you have crossed are red line of God you gave fulfilled Hebrews 6
@amazing-gracesam533
@amazing-gracesam533 Жыл бұрын
Y’all always quick to say someone has crossed the line or is a serpent seed,who gave you the right to detect who and who doesn’t cross the line??? Cos he is saying the obvious truth??? You’re the one who needs to be checked,cos if with all the evidences you still chose to believe a false teaching then no one can help you except God.Have a good day dear,and don’t forget to breath🙄
@otengbosco1024
@otengbosco1024 Жыл бұрын
John Collins is back slidder is Satan's tool
@otengbosco1024
@otengbosco1024 Жыл бұрын
John Collins you are not going anywhere with your false propaganda
@amazing-gracesam533
@amazing-gracesam533 Жыл бұрын
Clown,rest rest🙄🙄🙄🙄
@tim-williams
@tim-williams Жыл бұрын
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth Egyptology if studied with the Holy Spirit, is not deception but explains the true physics about how God's Electricity powers his kingdom. It's relevant if you want to understand the black sun and return of the LORD.
@lesliewells-ig5dl
@lesliewells-ig5dl Жыл бұрын
We were told the pyramid does not cast a shadow, that is not physics.
@dannyboi_663
@dannyboi_663 Жыл бұрын
Lay off the acid, brother.
@dooks8721
@dooks8721 Жыл бұрын
Bunch of crap
@edemya
@edemya 3 ай бұрын
We have the Bible. Why would you want to learn Egyptology with the Holy Spirit? Why isn't the Bible enough? When Jesus was tempted, on all 3 accounts recorded in the Bible, He quoted Deuteronomy. If one book was enough to shrug off the devil, how can 66 books not be enough? Have you thought about that
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