Thank you for having me! Enjoyed the conversation

The only collaboration I would be more excited about is if Nietzsche and Schopenhauer did a podcast together.

Life is overflowing from this collaboration.

Two of the best philosophy channels collaborating 🤘

Now THIS is a collaboration🎉 to be exited about!

Wow 😂 I'm so happy that you two guys decided to meet up together ! Gonna watch the whole thing now 😊. Love you beautiful people.

Omg , two greatest Nietzsche analysts on youtube together ❤️

The other day I was wondering if I'd ever live to see this collab. I got introduced to the depth of Nietzschean Philosophy through your channels. Thank you for this!

Weltgeist is so knowledgeable.

Such a pleasure to listen to you both on this quiet Sunday! Thank you 🙏

Yesss wonderful collaboration, hoping for more of these

so happy to see this development!!!

We need more of this. Both of you guys have provided me with amazing insights about life and philosophy.

I thoroughly enjoyed these discussions from two of my favorite philosophy KZfaqrs. Well done!

This was an awesome conversation. Loved it! The only part I question is the topic about space. It amazes me really smart people don’t question if the government CGI images of space and planetoids are real.

Man, great back and forth with you two. I think a monthly talk between you guys would be really valuable, alternate on each other's channel or whatever, it'd be great. Thank you.

I just came upon this channel recently, but have been a reader of Nietzsche for quite a while. I've been watching Weltgeist for a couple years or so. Two of my favorite philosophical channels - as much for the wealth of thorough insights on figures like Schopenhauer and Nietzsche themselves as for the rich array of additional thinkers you both bring into the fold during the analyses. You're both doing a great service for those already into Nietzsche, and indeed philosophy overall. I can only imagine the work you put into your respective channels. As a question - in light of the Nietzschean and Schopenhauerian views discussed, how would either of you characterize the aesthetic of, say, a picturesque and exerting nature trail walk? It would perhaps seem to afford a perspective somewhere between the poles of spectator and creator, due to the pre-existing beauties of nature, but also to the sustained physical and psychological effort put forth in getting there.

Wonderful to hear WeltGeist in dialogue. Thanks for this!

One of the best coversations I've ever heard. For a long time I've hoped you would talk to Weltgeist, and it was indeed fruitful.

Really excellent. Thanks, chaps. ❤

Amazing collab, two of the best

Stoked on this collab!!

Sick collaboration right here. Good job essentialsalts

What a great collaboration, thank you both!

This is great. I believe tragedy is also educational to the Greeks. It wasn't mere entertainment or hedonic. It's a way of staying familiar with potential threat. I believe all mythological stories including religion really started this way. As an attempt to fortify and progress through life. Prodginey and legacy were also extremely important. Essentially I'm describing exposure therapy. 😊

I love this. Exactly what I hoped for for a long time.

Art is at its core an excersize in problem solving. Necessity ( or perceived nesrccisity ) gives birth to innovation and the creative process. The cave analogy is always great, imagine you have small children 30000 years ago and they can't leave the cave. And you desire to share and show them what is out there. So you focus your memory, enough to scratch a representation of the animals you see when you forage. The instinctual irrational passion to look out for your tribe gives birth to a creative process of emparting wisdom. Art was the begining of philosophy. The love of the wisdom emparted , by stories, rituals, pictures, music, dance. We embody the world around us in order to understand it. Empathy. Art may be an excersize in empathy. Embodiment and mimickery as a conduit for deeper understanding. Thanks so much guys. My life is made better through both of your work.

Thank you for this engaging podcast. I'm also interested in the topic of art and its connection to life as a whole. From the angle of the artist, Nietzsche's description of art as an expression of passions, ecstasies, and valuations which are fundamentally irrational is correct. From the angle of the spectator, art can be experienced in a number of different ways, depending on the particular artwork and one's overall temperament. Art can be appreciated purely for the beauty and perfection of its form, engaging the senses and the intellect while seeming to calm the passions, as preferred by Kant and Schopenhauer. However, a spectator can also allow himself to be more personally affected by the work, partaking in the states of mind which inspired the artist by finding the corresponding passions within himself. Nietzsche was critical of "immaculate perception", of treating impersonality as an intellectual and aesthetic virtue, but also disproved of Wagnerian art for its uncertain form and unrestrained excitement of the passions. His opinions on the topic suggest that a great work of art should be deeply personal, but expressed with great discipline and refinement of form.

That was a very interesting and thought provoking conversation, especially with the topic being art! Thank you for posting :3

what an excellent discussion.

So excited for this one!!!!!!!!!!!!

What if the difference between Schopenhauer's concept of art is about consuming it, and Nietzsche's is about producing it? Perhaps it can be reconciled that way. They may be two categorically different phenomenological processes. Weltgeist touches on this some at the very ending

Beautiful collab

This was a blast honestly 🔥

Nice!! my 2 favourite Nietzsche channels

YES! TWO LEGENDS MEET AT LAST! 🥳

Great collaboration. Although arguing is for the weak. Discussion is for the dubious

schätzen- that which we treasure, is what we value, is our creativity, it is our meaning and our pursuit, our pastime...

Of the trillion of KZfaq videos this is in the top ten!

Really cool video.

I understand the confusion when it comes to Wagner. I think sometimes Nietchze can be understood as a man bewitched and then betrayed. He seems to feel that in relationship to Christianity, Schopenhauer, and Wagner. Again, that line " one must have almost himself succumbed to" (loose quote) to understand.

Listening again… 💫

Omigosh please can you do a monthly collab ?!

I would be interested to know your thoughts on the Nietzsche vs Plato debate with Uberboyo and Aarvoll

Why is this not a weekly thing?

An interesting aspect of the "philosophy as a luxury" view is that it is totally compatible with the view that philosophy might strengthen a healthy culture and destroy an already dying one: imagine indulging in luxuries like expensive parafernalia when you don't really have that money to spend and your life is already going from bad to worse. You'll get there quicker 🤣

Yes

There are two sides to the music, both Schopenhauers and Nietzsches are like poles of the same thing. But I have found maybe third part, when I sometimes listen to music and I have bursting energy in me or willpower if you want, I feel like the whole me is in sense recreating the song, when I listen to something and I know the meaning and emotions that artist left there, but still while listening I’m putting there my own emotions, ideas…, in that way I feel more like I’m finding myself there by giving it my own part. In this way I sense it like overcoming the Autor who wants to force in some way. Two wills colliding and one is submitting to the other. But the Autors to mine or they are together creating something beyond, I’m not sure which one of these it is. Maybe both. But you get the idea.

What a beautiful aesthetic conversation ✨️ Did I lose myself in the conversation 🤔 or was I enthused & inspired ??? 🤔 By the way, the part about the ascetic ideals in science is profound & somewhat disturbing. Vastly more needs to be published about this - I have fallen into that Abyss prior to exposure to Nietzsche and see it all to often manifest. (Great example with the pale blue dot) Huge parallels to "how small are in Theistic humility" transmuted into secular domain.

One day a year, slave was king. Is that a possible explanation for the ancient celebration?

Oh wow, I had no idea I needed this, but I did

Peak x Peak

Why not bring The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis into the discussion?

pure fire

I’m as excited as a little boy on Christmas! 🤩

This a bangerrr

Thank you for the episode

Again so thoughtful. I am dazzled by the elegance of the thought. Sheer poetry. But please check your application. It is intriguing to follow your thought about the psychology of scientists, but let those thoughts be hypothesis. As an anthropologist that is also a physician scientist I study scientists. I find very little of use in the direct you give. The problems of discourse are much more traced to the influence of industry. My training was very much influenced by Foucault, another descendant of the thinking you study here. I’ve discarded that as of little use. Worse, as Chomsky documents, it reenforced the elitism of much of academia, that disregards from trying to solve real problems in society. Those problems fundamentally require engagement with all sorts of different people. Again, thanks. A great program but reenforces my conclusions about Neitzche.

It's nice to listen this before ww3

Wow!!

Behind Nietzsche and Schopenhauer in the debate of art, is the same debate between Stendhal and Kant on art. Stendhal who said that « la beauté est la promesse du bonheur ». I have tu agree with him on that one rather than Kant. Only a true German can say that beauty is a disinterested contemplation.

I thought I was tripping when I saw the title

I can listen to this conversation multiple times over and not tire from it. Very insightful gentlemen. Thank you.

Without researching, I’m going to go out on a limb and say there is no “Last Judgement” painting by Da Vinci, let alone in the Sistine Chapel. I’m guessing Mr. Weltgeist misspoke and meant to say Michelangelo.

The voices of Nietzsche

whoa!

Finally! The nietz bois unite!

When thinking about Nietzsche's claims about the production of art, I wonder whether his sample is too parochial, limited to a certain geography and historical tradition, i.e. the Hellenic. The passage where Nietzsche stresses the "indispensable ecstasy" which is the "outcome of all great desires" is a case in point. As a universal generalization about the production or performance of art, this seems false. I doubt, for example, whether this applies to all of the varieties of modern art, e.g. Jasper Johns, Jackson Pollack, or Andy Warhol; or to art of other cultures, e.g. Daoist painting. But even if we limit the claim to music, the claim seems doubtful. Not all modern western music seems to be the product of ecstasy and passion, e.g. the 12 tone music of the early 20th century, John Cage, and the minimalism of Reich, Glass, Part and others. If we expand our attention beyond the West, there is e.g. Indian classical musical music. When I hear the sarod, the Japanese koto or the Javanese gamelan, I never think of the performers as wanting "to impress their passions" on me. Nietzsche's aesthetic is clearly prescriptive: he has an agenda of promoting a new type of music, art, and philosophy, even if he has regrets about his early Wagnerian project. Schopenhauer's aesthetic seems to have wider scope. Not only does it accommodate western art, I suspect that it would also accommodate the more contemplative spirit of eastern art and music. He not only enjoyed playing the flute and listening to Rossini, he also enjoyed contemplating his Bronze Buddha.

science is a form asceticism. Straight line to Foucault.

So many maybes from salts.

What did you just do? I don’t know, but it had this effect. Can we infer that it therefore happened for this reason? Let me try; nope. It doesn’t feel right: a different reason perhaps…

Excellent talk. Kant is the most over-rated philosopher of all time. He richly deserved all off Nietzsches drive-by ridicule pointed in his direction.

Your either Captain Beefheart or the Beatles, but you can't be both.

But meat is murder.....