Fitting an Entire Loft Staircase in a Tight Space

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Жыл бұрын

Why would someone design a staircase like this? As part of a concerted effort to upgrade the workshop, I've made my previously useless storage loft useful by adding a custom stairway. But, with limited room in which to fit it, I opted for a space-saving, alternating-tread design.
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@Reman1975 Жыл бұрын

I used to live in a place where the loft conversion had a staircase like that. One addition I think you'll really want to make is a stubby grab rail to go on either side. Mine had them, and out of the THREE times I managed to fall down those stairs, the two times where I managed to grab the rails hurt significantly less than the time I didn't. :(

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

Future addition 👍‍

@-Xaverius Жыл бұрын

@@WesleyTreat this is indeed a very important addition for safety

@boblewis5558 Жыл бұрын

Hand rails are a legal requirement in the UK to comply with building regs!

@mjsvitek Жыл бұрын

Would adding a pile of pillows at the base help? 🤔

@Reman1975 Жыл бұрын

@@mjsvitek Or a trampoline. :D

@ExilefromCrownHill Жыл бұрын

I needed access to my loft storage, where my 2X10 lumber and plywood was kept. I built stairs like yours, but I used all of my stored lumber and plywood to make it.

@sgsax Жыл бұрын

Very clever indeed. Now I'll just grab some popcorn and wait for the handrail comments. 😁 Thanks for sharing!

@spokehedz Жыл бұрын

My one friend had these kind of stairs that led into almost the exact same kind of loft situation above a workshop (Dad's garage) when I was younger. His loving grandmother always would throw up a quick prayer when we would use them, because to her they were "Witch Stairs!" and apparently they keep witches from going into your attic or something. For me, it was always the 'stair ladder' as that is what it felt like to me. You were going up a slightly leaned over ladder. Good work on the straps to get it up safe-ish, and I only jumped when the camera whacked 'me' a little bit!

@bruce-le-smith Жыл бұрын

'witch stairs' love it! I once read how medieval stairways had a trip stair to mess with invaders, but had never heard of the witch stairs :) I agree a grab rail would be smart, so easy to rush and fall on normal stairs. also love how these are essentially boat stairs, but didn't hear that being part of the inspiration for the design, but maybe I missed that detail

@xoxo-yu1gp Жыл бұрын

absolutely spiffing yet again you truly are a man in a shed, the highest accolade

@navypinkdesign Жыл бұрын

You are the embodiment of “I can do it myself”; nice work!

@reddcube Жыл бұрын

Great idea to round the corners of the non-slip tape. Any pointy edge can catch and eventually unstick the whole thing.

@awildeep Жыл бұрын

Just a thought, but added two more anti-slip pads on the cement pad and top of the landing might help you visually (or via tactile feedback) sense which foot should start the transition from up to down or visa versa.

@markfryer9880 Жыл бұрын

I read your comment before I watched that part of the video and I fully agree.

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

I just aim for the first pad.

@oldninjarider Жыл бұрын

Concrete depending on how it's finished will have a rougher or as rough of a surface as that sandpaper pad.

@ncamp2126 6 ай бұрын

I was thinking red and green but that might be a mind teaser

@williammaxwell1919 10 ай бұрын

I first came across Javanese stairs in my early 20's working for an architect drawing up plans for his holiday home. About 15 years ago I built some to get up to my roofspace which I'd turn into an attic. 1 thing I would say, instead of having the cuttout on the centreline of the stair, stop the deeper part of the tread just short of the centreline so there is a gap down the middle, it makes them easier and safer to use. Also, as others have suggested, for safety i stall handrails, preferably on both sides? Another thing is the top step should be level with the floor as it makes it safer to use.

@ynot6473 8 ай бұрын

the top step bit, yes, it would automatically start the correct foot.

@hosshoffer7579 Жыл бұрын

I'm not proud to say I noticed your subscribe sign. Nice work on the stairs.

@poochersmontgomery8825 Жыл бұрын

Damn, you stepped down from that test step with such authority your whole room flipped over! Also the "Hail Caesar!" after the sneeze was brilliant, I'm using that from now on.

@peterensinger1770 Жыл бұрын

I did i loft conversion in my old bungalow about 20 years ago and i made one of these staircases as there wasn't enough space to use a standard staircase when it was done my partner called it the stadder. that name stuck and everyone who saw it was amazed by it and the name Stadder brought laughs every time it was mentioned and everyone just had to have a go at climbing it. The Stadder was a complete success it solved the problem.

@olivier2553 Жыл бұрын

Make an easier access to the hoarding space, that will certainly help with tackling your problem :)

@paul-ld9vh Жыл бұрын

That's a really clever idea and the finished product is beautiful! Thanks for the great video!

@markfryer9880 Жыл бұрын

I recently had to repair some external stairs at the boys school I work at and I actually watched the boys using the stairs during a period change. The boys coming down the stairs were All using just the very nosing of each tread and I suspect that your grip tape needs to be closer to the front edge of each tread.

@TheRPhelps24 10 ай бұрын

I was coming to comment that the grip tape should be further up. They make clear skateboard grip tape that could help preserve the look

@markfryer9880 Жыл бұрын

I would recommend that you make sections of handrails with fitted toe boards for the loft storage area so that people or items don't fall down onto anyone or anything below.

@davebauerart Жыл бұрын

Looks great and a lot of neat solutions to the little problems.

@DavebotBeepBoop Жыл бұрын

Love the look of those stairs! Great idea and execution. I'm a sucker for rounded corners.

@andyabraham7269 Жыл бұрын

I just love your videos Wesley just for the fact that you make me smile. Happy days cobber

@oldninjarider Жыл бұрын

This is a great design!

@davidwebb9752 Жыл бұрын

Great build! Love the humor. Thanks for sharing these projects on your channel.

@RintoKazushi Жыл бұрын

Fun fact! These stairs are called Santos Dumont Stairs. Their inventor Santos Dumont made then first in 1918 at his house in Petropolis, Rio de Janeiro - Brasil.

@MommaYoga 4 ай бұрын

Fun fact! Alternating tread stairs have been around since the 1800s.

@davidmeyer9204 Жыл бұрын

I am not going to critique your build. I like it. Great job, as always. It gets me inspired

@xrpirate536 7 ай бұрын

I love your freight lift!

@jorgevillarreal4210 5 ай бұрын

i watch the entire video and i enjoyed it very much. thanks for the info. i am planning to make one of this for my loft.

@8BitLife69 Жыл бұрын

I was just about to begin my CNC project, originally I was going to build one for a full sheet, despite having to sacrifice nearly my entire space for it. Then I said, forget it. I'll just go with a 2x3 envelope. But then I saw yours. This is ingenius. Wide enough to fit a whole sheet, but small enough to not take up the whole shop. Then the way you use the machine, you've given me fantastic ideas.

@YuriNGolfeto Жыл бұрын

In Brazil this has the name "Escada Santos Dumont" or Santos Dumont stairs. It's use in specific cases like this, small spaces

@eyewould Жыл бұрын

Your content is great. Your editing work does not go unnoticed. Thank you for doing what you do. It's a pleasure to watch you work (in a non-creepy sort of way). Subscribed!

@deathpax Жыл бұрын

It turned out fantastic!

@WildmanTech Жыл бұрын

Nicely done! I hope to see it in person one day.

@andyb7754 Жыл бұрын

Very, very nice project. Thank you for your great videos.

@kenc2257 Жыл бұрын

Nice stairs! Practical and good looking.

@SchysCraftCo. Жыл бұрын

WT awesome job. Very nice design. Can't wait to see more videos soon my friend. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. God bless.

@markhoskins579 7 ай бұрын

This may be the solution for replacing the basement steps in my daughter's old house, where space is severely limited. If I accept the challenge, though, all will have to be done with more primitive tools, which just means more work , patience and persistence. This video was very helpful, easy to follow and professionally presented.

@vlogerhood Жыл бұрын

"Looks like I'm a bottom" Love to hear it.

@StaceNyourFace 5 күн бұрын

😂

@tree_carcass_mangler Жыл бұрын

Interesting design! Thanks for posting, and thumbs up.

@CCWSig Жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh are those dangerous. I love 'em!

@wheelerdealer2105 Жыл бұрын

Nice work. Pretty.

@scottnyc6572 Жыл бұрын

Nice job!! Those stairs remind me of those old fashioned rolling stair ladders they used to have in libraries.

@johnmay371 Жыл бұрын

You do absolutely great work!

@maidurauba4891 3 ай бұрын

love your work and your videomakig, nice work man!

@johnsmith-fz3qk Жыл бұрын

what an awesome and inspirational concept! 👌

@RobertEchten Жыл бұрын

If I'm not mistaken, in Dutch they are called (translated) miller's stairs as they were used in windmills due to the limited space available.

@manoharsagunthalla9215 11 ай бұрын

It's a wonderful idea and simple one ! I learnt that how to execut by one person it's a good Technics you employed. Thanks for sharing.

@TotalBoat Жыл бұрын

They look so great!! Awesome job!

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it! The Halcyon was the right choice, thanks!

@mikemillsjd Жыл бұрын

Cool! Boats have the same issue, but I’ve never seen this solution. Nice!!

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Mike!

@trytofinishsomething Жыл бұрын

Creative and well done as always!

@NickDangerThirdGuy Жыл бұрын

Nicely Done!

@MIKES0029 Жыл бұрын

Look great, nice work

@anthonybrown7959 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic work 👏

@EvanDunville Жыл бұрын

That is one awesome set of stairs great idea!

@HAGSLAB Жыл бұрын

Beautiful stairs! This would be perfect for my garage loft storage.

@felixfromnebraska8648 Жыл бұрын

Very Interesting! Great job... Thanks for sharing. Felix

@nathanlucas6465 Жыл бұрын

That subscribe Easter egg is genius 😃

@wes_d Жыл бұрын

Strategically placed subliminal messages…ground breaking!

@OhHeyTrevorFlowers Жыл бұрын

It's a good build but I'm mainly impressed that you went 14 days without having a dumb. Two whole weeks! In my shop I'd need a remote control just to save the time of walking to push the reset button.

@AdamDavisEE Жыл бұрын

I don't know... 3:26 suggests he may have needed to reset that counter.

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

I was gone for awhile.

@mjarndt Жыл бұрын

I had to subscribe because the waistband on his underoos said to. Great video!

@cheeto4493 Жыл бұрын

I've seen one of these where they used the space between steps as a bookcase, for even more efficiency.

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

I tried to figure out a way to add storage, but at such a steep angle, there wasn't really any room.

@timmymartin317 Жыл бұрын

Neat! Good work.

@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian Жыл бұрын

One word. Brilliant 👏👏👍😀

@gregmize01 Жыл бұрын

Very cool design and great video!👍👍👍👍

@mikerussler2629 Жыл бұрын

Love your videos!

@cheeseheadfiddle Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen these made with a center stringer, and half treads on either side. Similar gate, but less possibility of catching a toe on the recessed part of the opposite tread.

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

To put your mind at ease, you'd have to deliberately kick your foot under the next step to catch your toe, and you'd probably hit your shin on the next step in the process. It would be a weird way to ascend stairs.

@milescraig8793 Жыл бұрын

AXIS AND ALLIES!!! Oh the memories! Those were going for a pretty penny on Ebay.

@ItchyKneeSon Жыл бұрын

This would be great in a THOW (tiny house on wheels). A 3rd, center stringer would add strength and the ability to use thinner/lighter/more cost-effective materials, but would certainly not be as pretty. Admittedly, I'm mid-binge and trying to break free so I didn't watch all the way through. Forgive me if you covered this. You've gained a subscriber, though! I'll be watching plenty more in the future. :)

@HilsDinMor7 Жыл бұрын

As per usual, a great video of a great and interesting build, the floor anchors were a clever solution. I would second the other comments about a handrail, better safe than sorry. The "straight" 2x12 comment is worthy of a prize, utterly brilliant.

@RichWoods23 Жыл бұрын

I had to look up Dave Matthews but I still got the joke!

@KodyKimani Жыл бұрын

I love your delight- brilliant! lol x

@Preske Жыл бұрын

Great content as always!

@TheSteveAS Жыл бұрын

Dude! I had that exact same Laser Tag riffle. Tag battles in the park - we were LARPing before LARPing was a thing. Wes - those stairs are TITS, man. Your brother is eating his words now! I'm sure you thought of this, but probably a good idea to add a grab bar on the wall to steady yourself while ascending/descending with armloads of ZIP drives, z cavaricci pants, and laser discs.

@user-fl2wn5zr5z Ай бұрын

that is awesome

@cees9314 Жыл бұрын

Very nice!

@thegentlemanmaker Жыл бұрын

My favourite episode of Upstairs Downstairs ever!

@rodpotts2666 Жыл бұрын

Very cool!

@mikehamlin9748 Жыл бұрын

Just found you thanks to your neon sign build with Jimmy, Love your sense of humor.

@davidquerry8869 Жыл бұрын

Nice job

@clydebalcom3679 Жыл бұрын

You made it 17 days without a dumb? That's fantastic 😀 👏 The sound effects are as awesome as ever.

@slimdog72 Жыл бұрын

Looks rad dude. I just made drawings a few months ago for the steel shop to fabricate an alternating stair.

@graveurgraveur2691 Жыл бұрын

BRAVO!

@gilbus4989 Жыл бұрын

Try adding a handrail on the wall. I think it will help when carrying heavy stuff.

@guilhermeandrade1628 9 ай бұрын

Santos Dumond Stairs With the name of its creator, Santos Dumont, pioneer of aviation, these stairs are always very vertical. Santos Dumont stairs are basically straight stairs, with a steep incline. Therefore, its steps are wider on one side and narrow on the other, facilitating the step change.

@Geeksmithing Жыл бұрын

Amazing as ever Wes! My first thought was how similar the rise and run is to a ladder on a US Navy ship. It was a bloody miracle I never fell down them, especially considering how many times I was carrying something way to heavy for the situation! :D Anyways, it is always a pleasure watching you work my friend!

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

Thanks, buddy!

@timokeefe3781 Жыл бұрын

Loved the Subscribe reminder!

@barrishautomotive Жыл бұрын

When you were standing on the ladder stringing up the ratchet straps, you missed the opportunity to write "Wesley was here" on the joist. Many might not get the reference, but the setup was perfect.

@JoeBcrafts Жыл бұрын

So was Red.

@barrishautomotive Жыл бұрын

@@JoeBcrafts perfect

@Frooderick Жыл бұрын

It just occurred to me that your Dumb sign is missing a crucial feature: it should track the number of times the button gets mushed. Then have a display that says “Total Number of Dumbs”.

@oldninjarider Жыл бұрын

Dumb is infinite

@nat7278 Жыл бұрын

New sub here. Thanks Jimmy

@decomputerleraarable Жыл бұрын

This is a very entertaining video.

@snwbrdn777 Жыл бұрын

The OG Axis & Allies! That brings back some memories!

@kenpoist7 Жыл бұрын

I believe that what "Stairs" you created is called a "Ships Ladder". Awesome application and execution.

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

Thanks! A ship's ladder is actually a bit different, with shallower treads that span the full width. Here's a comparison: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fb5nnpRes7PIeok.html

@kenpoist7 Жыл бұрын

@@WesleyTreat I stand corrected. Thanks

@ccga3359 Жыл бұрын

I believe they are commonly refered to as Jefferson Stairs. An example may be found at Thomas Jefferson's Monticello.

@craigmaddison8254 Жыл бұрын

Nice stairs BTW.

@markfryer9880 Жыл бұрын

Definitely going to need a sign, Face stairs when going up or down! Handrails on the sides and at the top will make it much safer to use these stairs!

@jkirby-vd1wm Жыл бұрын

Gotta commit... I'm a bottom too, but.. no pun intended.. versatility is the key lol

@davidcolson6622 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful man . . Course they'd kill me . .but still absolutely beautiful. I usedta have one of them ZIP drives for an old Mac laptop, pre-iName branding. Good stuff!

@grumpywoodchucker Жыл бұрын

"GONK, GONK, GONK, GONK, GONK, GONK!" *internet chanting... Awesome stairs!

@BenMitro Жыл бұрын

Full sheets huh? Where do you live again? Great demo of the alternating tread stairwell. You are also very entertaining to watch. Thanks.

@NeoPraxeus Жыл бұрын

Great video as always! Could you possibly build a dumb-waiter or lift to transport items to/from the loft?

@ElliotNesterman Жыл бұрын

An excellent project, but I am a bit concerned that the new beam and the joist ends are only connected by end nailing. I'd be much happier if they were reinforced by proper joist hangers.

@patrickwilliams3108 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, me as well. I'd also be happier if the cleat at the top of the stairs was bolted to the joist, but Wes will do what Wes will do, yes?

@WesleyTreat Жыл бұрын

Thanks! That entire loft is built without hangers and has stood for about 15 years now, so meh. I also toe-nailed them, but I imagine there's only so much nailing people want to watch.

@t.thomasshaw462 Жыл бұрын

Super nice in a bar office to apartment 🤠

@chefgoldielocs Жыл бұрын

The steps reminds me of piano keys 🎹. Love it

@tench745 Жыл бұрын

Having never used this type of stair before, I'm curious how they compare to a ship's ladder. To my eye climbing them looks very much like using a ship's ladder, except that they're now biased to starting on your left or right foot.

@Geeksmithing Жыл бұрын

That was my first thought as well! I was having flashbacks to the USS Enterprise! :)

@Marcelo-56 Жыл бұрын

Let's think a bit: when you use a mechanical stair, which foot do you put first?🤷‍♂️

@Marcelo-56 Жыл бұрын

Let's think a bit: when you use a mechanical stair, which foot do you put first?🤷‍♂️

@tench745 Жыл бұрын

@@Marcelo-56 Depends if you're left foot or right foot dominant...

@BryanB0308 6 ай бұрын

The alternating treads give you a deeper tread than a ships ladder. Particularly on the way down, the treads on a ships ladder will only hold half your foot.