West Coast Record Breaking Attempt

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Geoff Marshall

Geoff Marshall

Күн бұрын

On Thursday 17th June 2021, Avanti and Network Rail teamed up to attempt to break the record for the fastest railway journey between London and Glasgow. Pendolino 390 044 newly named as "Royal Scot" set off to beat the Advanced Passenger Train (APT) time of 3 hours, 52 minutes, 40 seconds.
The attempt also celebrated the value of the UK's railway industry whilst showcaing the ease of travelling between the home nations, whilst raising money for the Railway Benefit Fund and Action For Children.
My thanks to Avanti on everyone on board that I interviewed - Please Note : I interviewed Tim and Pete in their food/drinks break moment which is why they weren't wearing face coverings at that time.
Thanks also to the additional clips from the following people!
Autounder (Leyland) - / @autounder
Brian (Polesworth) - / @sykarost
JmatthewsUK (Atherstone) - / @jmatthewsuk
Georgia (Wigan) - / @glovestrains

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@SkeletonSyskey
@SkeletonSyskey 3 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to the people who made the footage of the train passing through the stations.
@gstakktransport5227
@gstakktransport5227 3 жыл бұрын
Especially the one at the bridge for Wigan. I’ve been there and the path there is insanely muddy all the time
@shaunganley
@shaunganley 3 жыл бұрын
Watching from the USA, and the amount of shots along the way is just spectacular. Wow!
@PublicTransport4U
@PublicTransport4U 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Wish I could've made it!
@caramelldansen2204
@caramelldansen2204 2 жыл бұрын
@@gstakktransport5227 You've been to Wigan? I'm so sorry. :P
@MattCamelly
@MattCamelly 2 жыл бұрын
@@gstakktransport5227 Ikr that bridge is good for trainspotting. Good walk through all the trees etc too
@goatgamer001
@goatgamer001 3 жыл бұрын
Train: delays 21 seconds Japanese passengers: That's very late
@SK_3PT1
@SK_3PT1 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@goatgamer001
@goatgamer001 3 жыл бұрын
@@SK_3PT1 xd
@sabrina7839
@sabrina7839 3 жыл бұрын
True
@freyer94
@freyer94 3 жыл бұрын
lol, even with 3s late, JR do a press conference to give official public excuses, and maybe fire the driver
@chrishines6048
@chrishines6048 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@stevieinselby
@stevieinselby 3 жыл бұрын
I love Tim's reasoning for taking a model APT with him 🤣
@thomaswhitcomb624
@thomaswhitcomb624 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t needed in the end
@railwayhonza
@railwayhonza 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@PublicTransport4U
@PublicTransport4U 3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@RatelHBadger
@RatelHBadger 3 жыл бұрын
A little bit subversive "if the record is broken, in a way they will still hold the record"
@persilious81
@persilious81 2 жыл бұрын
@@RatelHBadger Might even call it "Trumpian"
@4KExplorer
@4KExplorer 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love it if Avanti collaborated with LNER for an east coast versus west coast race from London to Edinburgh, with split-screen and everything!
@spdfatomicstructure
@spdfatomicstructure 3 жыл бұрын
The LNER train will likely win. It’ll be a shorter distance over the same 200km/h speed limit
@19TheChaosWarrior79
@19TheChaosWarrior79 3 жыл бұрын
@@spdfatomicstructure the curves above Carlisle slow the WCML way down compared to ECML too 😃
@andrewbryant927
@andrewbryant927 3 жыл бұрын
That would be awesome
@roundandroundmyworld
@roundandroundmyworld 3 жыл бұрын
Shades of the 1895 "Race to the North" when either the North British Railway or the Caledonian Railway would get the fastest train through to Aberdeen from London -- depending which one got past Dundee and onto the shared track first!
@alangaming2003
@alangaming2003 3 жыл бұрын
Erm don’t you mean VTEC because LNER only existed once
@DangItshere
@DangItshere 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that Pendolino being a "tilting train" and a almost direct successor to APT is quite endearing
@formidable38
@formidable38 3 жыл бұрын
BR sold the tech for a song to the Italians who then ofcourse went on to develop the Pendolino. Quite ironic.
@melanierhianna
@melanierhianna 3 жыл бұрын
@@formidable38 Basically it was working (after some issues) but Thatcher wouldn’t give the last bit of money needed (because the press campaign against the train) and so it got cancelled just before it was finished. Wasn’t BRs decision.
@nkt1
@nkt1 3 жыл бұрын
@@melanierhianna That’s not the full story. APT only made sense on the WCML. Without the necessary track and signalling upgrades to allow the APT to travel sufficiently fast to benefit from tilt, the business case for the train disappeared.
@formidable38
@formidable38 3 жыл бұрын
@@melanierhianna Agreed! It was pretty much a victim of its own success and Thatcher hated the railways. With a little more 'can do' from her it would have been sorted.
@PublicTransport4U
@PublicTransport4U 3 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more!
@Stjaernljus
@Stjaernljus 3 жыл бұрын
"It's smooth. It's quiet - and an altogether delightful experience."
@robthemod58
@robthemod58 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t be Blue, Peter.
@emporioalnino4670
@emporioalnino4670 3 жыл бұрын
*tea having a seizure in the background
@ellajinks8802
@ellajinks8802 3 жыл бұрын
That’s so bizarre seeing my dad doing the official timing. It’s so much a part of my childhood, weird how I’ve missed it! I can say with fondness and a touch of eye rolling but jeez, you bunch of dorks!
@Neilhuny
@Neilhuny 2 жыл бұрын
High Five for the funniest comment here!
@explorer914
@explorer914 3 жыл бұрын
SNCF should invite Geoff the next time they do a TGV speed record run.
@UnhingedNarrative
@UnhingedNarrative 2 жыл бұрын
The TGV speed record is 357mph that's too fast that couldn't possibly be beaten
@skypesos
@skypesos 3 жыл бұрын
Who else saw The Man in Seat 61's video a couple of days ago, heard Geoff's voice there, and was waiting for this video?
@jgodfrey546
@jgodfrey546 3 жыл бұрын
Superb video! Given that the APT exceded speed limits throughout its record-breaking run, being 21 seconds tardy while adhering to same is impressive indeed, & reflects some impressive driving by Mr Barker...
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
He was a lovely chap, highly experienced and knew his stuff. Top driving!
@goatgamer001
@goatgamer001 3 жыл бұрын
@@geofftech2 bruh instant reply
@goatgamer001
@goatgamer001 3 жыл бұрын
21 seconds is such a big difference!
@ModelRailway
@ModelRailway 3 жыл бұрын
Not quite correct ... the APT record run kept to a max line speed of 125mile/h and kept to it’s own line speed profile. The profile is subtly different to that of the current EPS profile that the Pendolino kept to and there’s a few other differences in the standards/rules between the APT and Pendolino... (I helped create it during WCRM! 👍)
@LukeAlfordUKsteam
@LukeAlfordUKsteam 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff actually got me more into modern trains because I always loved train travel and steam trains but Geoff got me into modern stock and how it all works and the people who run it. Top work! PS. I'm now a trainspotter haha.
@goatgamer001
@goatgamer001 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 3 жыл бұрын
Just enjpy the train ride. It's so much fun.
@MontytheHorse
@MontytheHorse 3 жыл бұрын
APT had the advantage over the Pendolino. The former was, IIRC, allowed to run at up to 140mph. While the latter was limited to a maximum of 125mph. So, only missing out by 21 seconds is really impressive. Hopefully Avanti will have another go.
@danielbliss1988
@danielbliss1988 2 жыл бұрын
If they'd get cab signaling they'd be able to do the 140 routinely on relatively straighter sections of track -- and probably also up the restricted bits by 10 or 20mph as well as you'd no longer be worrying about unsighted signals.
@brianfretwell3886
@brianfretwell3886 2 жыл бұрын
However the WCML has had improvement work since then so there should have been fewer points where the maximum speed slowed this one.
@PeteS_1994
@PeteS_1994 Жыл бұрын
I've heard new Avanti WCML stock would actually be slower, 110 mph and non tilting. I'm starting to wonder if this is partially because of HS2. Less pressure to make WCML faster?
@rankedcitizen
@rankedcitizen Жыл бұрын
@@PeteS_1994i think its because the new stock is part o the iet family and have extremely fast acceleration speeds so the acceleration would offset the speed difference
@seat61
@seat61 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video in your inimitable style, Geoff (I've picked up some tips, I think!). A great account of a great trip - I think there needs to be a rematch next year!
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
thanks Mark, nice to finally meet you! 😎👍
@dskadd32
@dskadd32 3 жыл бұрын
@@geofftech2 It was great to hear you, and briefly see you, on Mark's video too. I enjoy the work you both do. Thank you
@garygrant2000
@garygrant2000 3 жыл бұрын
So good to see The man in Seat 61 in the vid. Been following your blogs even before your KZfaq vids were around.
@paulr301
@paulr301 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda Wow! two of my favourite vloggers on the one train!
@bowlerstuff9589
@bowlerstuff9589 2 жыл бұрын
You should have sat in the actual carriage seat 61
@MrTimDunn
@MrTimDunn 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff; you and I have been chums for very many years and I think that *that* was the longest rail-related monologue that you have ever let me get away with. And that's despite you editing out the really bits out too. V jolly! Almost like we had planned to sit adjacent. Maybe we should co-ordinate diaries and do some sort of rail-related video again... ;)
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
All the editing!! Ha ha. You were great, thank you sir … let’s indeed do a train thing soon. Yes yes 👍
@steve.b.23
@steve.b.23 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you working together! Maybe put in a word at UKTV, Tim? I was following the journey with both of you on Twitter. I must say that I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't show the part of the line where you can actually see the west coast, Geoff! Tim's seen my (shoddy) photos, you're more than welcome to use (laugh at) them. : )
@SteveOldham
@SteveOldham 3 жыл бұрын
@@steve.b.23 I know it doesn't fit sequentially in the video, but where is the shot at 8:00 in? It's after Pete Waterman talked about going through the Lake DIstrict but does look similar to the Morecambe Bay view.
@skritchesdeath5752
@skritchesdeath5752 3 жыл бұрын
This so needs to happen!!!
@personwhotalkstomuch4898
@personwhotalkstomuch4898 3 жыл бұрын
I would love you & Geoff to do a series for UKTV. Your last 2 railway ones were wonderful. I have seen 1 on the Underground being promoted on UKTV, so perhaps Geoff may be in it?;)
@tdlovestrains
@tdlovestrains 3 жыл бұрын
Missing out by 21 seconds. That's heartbreaking
@lnertrainfan1785
@lnertrainfan1785 3 жыл бұрын
I know :(
@tdlovestrains
@tdlovestrains 3 жыл бұрын
@@lnertrainfan1785 I mean the positive is that it beat the old penileno time. And you ained a new sub.
@goatgamer001
@goatgamer001 3 жыл бұрын
Wow very big difference
@nrellis666
@nrellis666 3 жыл бұрын
if only they'd had fewer passengers
@TheArkamedBat
@TheArkamedBat 3 жыл бұрын
Japan:I WANT MY FU*KING MONEY BACK!
@HM...333
@HM...333 3 жыл бұрын
"Welcome on board this Peugeot pendolino to Glasgow Central!!"
@twcc406
@twcc406 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the same, not often you see the lion it's usually the St Andrew cross nowadays
@southcalder
@southcalder 3 жыл бұрын
Well, the Pendolino was designed by Fiat. That part of Fiat was of course bought by Alstom, however the rest of Fiat merged last year with PSA, the owners of Peugeot. So, you’re not far off.
@joshryan5890
@joshryan5890 3 жыл бұрын
So that's why they failed the record
@SamuelMusarika
@SamuelMusarika 2 жыл бұрын
@@southcalder I am sure he meant it as joke because of the lion at the front which made it look like a Peugeot lol.
@eastpavilion-er6081
@eastpavilion-er6081 3 жыл бұрын
I remembered that when APT set the record on the line, it ignored the line speed limit and got up to 225km/h in several places, just like the Intercity 225 has done on ECML. Getting this close to the record without exceeding the line speed limit is fantastic.
@stepheneyles2198
@stepheneyles2198 3 жыл бұрын
That was in the days before Elfin Saftee clobbered everything we do in this country!!
@TalesOfWar
@TalesOfWar 3 жыл бұрын
@@stepheneyles2198 Also in the days where rail disasters were far, far more common. So there is that.
@ekvedrek
@ekvedrek 2 жыл бұрын
@@stepheneyles2198 mans angry cause hes been nicked for going 49 in a 40 zone
@jamrah8713
@jamrah8713 2 жыл бұрын
Do trains still exceed the speed limit on the ECML? Because I remember vivdly when i was on the way to darlington from leeds, the Stretch from York to Northallerton according to my speedometer went to around 140mph for a short period of time, and it definitely felt faster than 125mph
@ChangesOneTim
@ChangesOneTim Жыл бұрын
@@jamrah8713 No, they don't. Overspeed is controlled and all trains now have data recorders which are monitored for compliance!
@VaughanMcAlley
@VaughanMcAlley 3 жыл бұрын
I kept waiting for the replacement bus to be announced.
@ziggygraham6436
@ziggygraham6436 3 жыл бұрын
I work at Carstairs Junction with network rail, unfortunately the 50mph speed restriction has been in place for a while, so hopefully we can get that fixed in time for another record attempt 😀
@AWildSnowball
@AWildSnowball 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Hope you're enjoying it at least :)
@AHJ99.
@AHJ99. 2 ай бұрын
I think we need to appreciate that that hero of a driver sat there and held his bladder for nearly 4 hours! What a guy!
@ashfuller3480
@ashfuller3480 3 жыл бұрын
I’d travel more by rail if it was cheaper
@jamesknightvo
@jamesknightvo 3 жыл бұрын
Regretably, it's still much quicker and cheaper to drive from where I live in Wales to central London - and that includes the Congestion Charge and London's Mafia parking fee racket.
@AlonsoRules
@AlonsoRules 3 жыл бұрын
It is cheap if you book in advance.
@JoshNunnyt
@JoshNunnyt 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesknightvo Lol where are you booking your tickets? Use a third party app!
@reinerjung1613
@reinerjung1613 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesknightvo Car travel is cheap, as people usually underestimate the cost of the car (which almost everyone does) and a lot of subsidies go into car travel which you pay with your taxes, of course. This includes build and maintaining roads, ecological impacts, measures against noise pollution, cleaning roads, additional police forces, fire brigades, rescue services, curing insured people, etc. However, is there not an option to park on the outskirts of London and travel the rest by train or tube to avoid huge fees in London?
@mickandmj
@mickandmj 3 жыл бұрын
Stunning video. Love it. I feel such grief about the APT. I remember the hope we had at the time for it. A cousin of mine was working on its signalling. Would have changed UK railways for ever.
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
thank you Martin, glad you enjoyed!
@CoolAsFreya
@CoolAsFreya 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff, I must say, great interviews and amazing documentation of this special event, you've made a great video!
@100SteveB
@100SteveB 3 жыл бұрын
What a great effort! But it must be said that it a bit mad that Britain developed a faster train nearly 4 decades ago, but in their wisdom at the time they gave up on it. How very British! Nearly 40 years later and the APT record still stands. I am sure that APT in the siding had a smug look on it's face whilst the Penolino shot past it was obviously aware of the 50mph speed restriction, and that that would keep the record safe.
@roundandroundmyworld
@roundandroundmyworld 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of your most entertaining videos which I've seen so far -- special occasion, the interviews with the people on board, and the anticipation of hearing the outcome of the record attempt. Great fun to watch!
@aaronjamesf1
@aaronjamesf1 3 жыл бұрын
I do love and miss the Pendolino. Brilliant train. The fact it has an appearance from Tim Dunn makes this amazing video epic too.
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 3 жыл бұрын
What a joy to watch. Slick edit and great fun, loved the natter from the guests!
@sirakaikarate2900
@sirakaikarate2900 3 жыл бұрын
This is a video ive been waiting for. I hope they have another attempt
@lorenzo_contini_7
@lorenzo_contini_7 3 жыл бұрын
Tim Dunn seems such a nice guy, I'd love to listen to him talking about railways!
@Jobother
@Jobother 3 жыл бұрын
Hes friends with Gareth Dennis and goes on his livestreams every once and awhile.
@lorenzo_contini_7
@lorenzo_contini_7 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jobother cool thanks 😊
@RandomRailways
@RandomRailways 3 жыл бұрын
He did a series on UKTV Play called The Architecture The Railways Built (Available online)
@bendursley
@bendursley 3 жыл бұрын
@@RandomRailways both series of that show are good! Lots of things covered!
@hojomo
@hojomo 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic coverage - Thanks Geoff!
@davidlindsay5584
@davidlindsay5584 3 жыл бұрын
Our southbound from crewe to London was broken down at Stafford as it came through, engineers had to wait to turn the power off so as not to slow down the attempt
@robtyman4281
@robtyman4281 3 жыл бұрын
David Lindsay - classically British. We go for a record attempt and the train breaks down. wtf?!? 🤔😲😳😟🤨
@FredJanssen1
@FredJanssen1 3 жыл бұрын
@@robtyman4281 I think you interpreted that wrong; a different train broke down and had to wait for the for the record train to pass before they'd do something about it
@chrimbo90
@chrimbo90 3 жыл бұрын
Totally worth it though 😜
@anthonyholroyd5359
@anthonyholroyd5359 3 жыл бұрын
Great for James!! Good to see young blood in the railways. I'm similar. Started in the railways just after uni, at 22 in Hospitality. Became a conductor at 24 and now nearly 3 years of conducting and 5 years of service . . . Aged 26 and looking down the barrel at 27. Great job, great industry 👍 best of luck to the guy :D
@iansmithtravels
@iansmithtravels 3 жыл бұрын
Super video Geoff, great access to speak to all involved. Keep up the great work 👍🏼
@alondonview7685
@alondonview7685 3 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this video a lot.
@hartstukken
@hartstukken 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂 I was on twitter biting my nails and then i saw the 21 seconds tweet!
@ashleyjarvis954
@ashleyjarvis954 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic, close shave. Worked with people on railways decades ago - a great team, dedicated, professional, humerous. Had the privilege of visiting the deeds archive archive and looking at original line plans for much legal/wayleaves work.
@TravelWithDan
@TravelWithDan 3 жыл бұрын
I have loved all the posts about this fantastic trip, culminating in your video! 21 seconds out is a fantastic achievement, but I didn't know it was the fastest Pendo to do that route! That could have been praised more I feel! Great video as always Geoff!
@jmatthewsuk
@jmatthewsuk 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Geoff, you have brilliantly captured the journey for all of those who couldn’t be onboard. Glad I could contribute with an external shot and thanks for the credit 👍🏻
@Robslondon
@Robslondon 3 жыл бұрын
Been looking forward to watching this!
@timsully8958
@timsully8958 3 жыл бұрын
What a shame! So close and yet... Thanks for the footage Geoff. Great to see young Tim on there as I greatly enjoy the enthusiasm he has for all things railway related that comes across in his programmes. 👍 Hopefully you'll get another invitation if they try another Royal Scot run in the future? 😜 Cheers for another highly enjoyable video 🍻🍀😀
@AllThingsRailways
@AllThingsRailways 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Geoff, very well edited and produced with great featuring guests and shots 👍🚄
@dodul65
@dodul65 3 жыл бұрын
Loved your presentation.... The atmosphere and energy... 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@davidangel-blair9358
@davidangel-blair9358 3 жыл бұрын
21 seconds! Really! Great video. Thank you Geoff.
@DanCollinsPhotography
@DanCollinsPhotography 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you showed the APT at Crewe. The motor car did used to be at Coventry electric railway museum before it closed down. I have seen it before it got transferred to Crewe to join the rest of it
@RichardWells1
@RichardWells1 3 жыл бұрын
@Geoff Marshall - excellent fast-moving documentary: great story, great interviews, great edit. Thank you!
@TheDaf95xf
@TheDaf95xf 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Geoff 🙂 Big thanks for everyone making it happen 😂 Pete Waterman what a cool guy he’s looking 👍🏻
@m1klgordon
@m1klgordon 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Geoff. And also for 'All the stations'. In particular Corrour.
@cal920c
@cal920c 3 жыл бұрын
I love the passion for the rails everyone on board seems to have on board!
@torfossberg1137
@torfossberg1137 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant to see people like Tim dunn on there!
@rbrwr
@rbrwr 3 жыл бұрын
It's pretty clear that (except maybe for that TSR at Carstairs) the limits of the current infrastructure have been reached and the record won't be broken by more than a few seconds until HS2 is fully operational. It's not a question of APT v Pendo, it's a question of how the signals are spaced and what speed limits they allow.
@straightpipediesel
@straightpipediesel 3 жыл бұрын
ETCS is scheduled to come before HS2
@johndonaldson9757
@johndonaldson9757 2 жыл бұрын
Rob, if you look at the path timing on the last leg from Bridge St, juction into the station, you'll see it lost over a minute, that would have been the difference between making it win or lose the race,,j
@circlingabove8018
@circlingabove8018 3 жыл бұрын
Geoff's videos always get a like before I even start watching them because you know they're always going to be good, lol.
@thomassell4962
@thomassell4962 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Geoff, I filmed your train whizzing past just outside of rugby
@anniesoernym
@anniesoernym 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, Geoff! Thanks for the suspenseful editing and the interesting interviews. And I had to laugh when my face mirrored yours at the 21sec reveal 😮🤭
@saintuk70
@saintuk70 3 жыл бұрын
The poor APT, I always hoped, as I passed it every day in its siding in the Glasgow Shields Road depot, that one day we'd see it operational - nice it's only taken a few more years to progress.
@frankmimnagh420
@frankmimnagh420 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, Geoff. 👍
@Sim0nTrains
@Sim0nTrains 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, it's a shame that it missed out by 21 seconds but look like everyone had a great time onboard and nice to see some lovely clips of the train passing through some areas as well. Hope they try again next year after the Carstairs area being remodelled,
@coasterb1
@coasterb1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Geoff!
@dannyfeller7034
@dannyfeller7034 3 жыл бұрын
Live in Glasgow, it’s nice to see more being done to bring us together :)
@comenting3207
@comenting3207 2 жыл бұрын
21 seconds thats impresive and the apt did a great job at keeping the record
@AutoUnder
@AutoUnder 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for including my clip Geoff! I’d have loved to have been there
@geofftech2
@geofftech2 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for letting me use it! very kind 👍👍
@Porkchop245
@Porkchop245 3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this :)
@WeeStef
@WeeStef 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Geoff,was a pity they lost out on literally seconds!!
@canyontiger4022
@canyontiger4022 3 жыл бұрын
400 miles in less than four hours! 🤯 Bravo to you all!
@tsrgoinc
@tsrgoinc 3 жыл бұрын
Go on the APT, for a train that was experimental in most respects and pushed into service ahead of schedule before it was ready just shows you how fast a train it was!
@cheesedoff-with4410
@cheesedoff-with4410 3 жыл бұрын
I might have guessed you'd be on board. Hope it was fun.
@robbiemorrison7085
@robbiemorrison7085 3 жыл бұрын
My last time on a pendolino was in Jan 2020- went to Coventry to the transport museum- can’t wait to ride these trains again
@russellgxy2905
@russellgxy2905 3 жыл бұрын
Off by less than half a minute... that's DAMN impressive. I wasn't sure if it was possible, what with the WCML's geography and generally being a bit outdated compared with the ECML, but the fact that "Royal Scot" came _this_ close to beating the APT's record is still astounding! Now the next step is for Network Rail to allow another attempt. After all, if they let Tornado get up to 100 back in 2017 and she broke that barrier! Imagine what the Pendilino's could do with a bit of leeway
@roberthatcher2773
@roberthatcher2773 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Geoff!
@mattc9998
@mattc9998 2 жыл бұрын
God I can't wait until these speeds are no longer a struggle in this country and are the norm, if not the minimum. Well done Avanti and well done Geoff for a fantastic video as always.
@valerianocuomo996
@valerianocuomo996 5 ай бұрын
Avanti GROUP, acquisided from FS GROUP,italian GROUP.
@Discoretrox
@Discoretrox 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid...lovely to see the legend that is Pete Waterman 👍
@rogerwhittle2078
@rogerwhittle2078 3 жыл бұрын
First of all; well done to everyone involved, particularly the rail staff and commiserations on the twenty odd second deficit. Having said that, I'm kind of glad it played out this way. I have always been furious at the way British Rail management and the press treated the APT and how the project was simply cancelled on the spot and the two trains shunted in to museums. The British public were given the distinct impression British Railway engineers were hopeless and we were well rid of the APT. Twenty or thirty years later, we have to buy the same thing from the Italians! The scientific and technical understanding of 95% of the population - then and now - approaches zero. They don't understand the difference between doing the tilting thing, with digital electronics and computers, and doing it with analogue electronics. It is comparable to comparing the Mallard's record breaking run and the latest Hitachi train sets. The APT project was starved of people, resources and money, but above all; time. It was set up to fail, by introducing it on the day 'ordinary' electric trains arced to a standstill and was the worst weather in living memory. To abandon the project and more or less write off the British Railway Industry, was a dreadful, yet typical example of British management. In short, they couldn't organise a p1ssup in a Brewery - like the car industry. Where are those industries now? I shan't compare the APT with Concorde, it wasn't ever in that class, but it was similar in that Concorde was not only beautiful and very fast, it was technologically absolutely stunning. It was UNBELIEVABLY amazing. It had just four (one for each engine) digital electronic PCB's (printed circuit boards) in it - because the original chips could no longer be made and they were substitutes. Everything else was analogue. I doubt it could even be done nowadays? APT was all analogue and it is indicative of how it was viewed by BR management, by how quickly BR binned the project after the launch day. Basically the next day. Criminal and to the long term detriment of Railways in Britain. Rant off. Well done Geoff, another great one.
@streuthmonkey1
@streuthmonkey1 3 жыл бұрын
British Rail engineers *were* hopeless. This is why engineers from the aerospace industry were commissioned to design the APT. It was built with substandard parts by British Rail engineers deliberately. It was they who were responsible for it not performing as required, the subsequent bad press and the resulting lack of opposition to it being scrapped. This is why we ended up with the far more inferior Intercity 125, which was a creation of British Rail engineers.
@rogerwhittle2078
@rogerwhittle2078 3 жыл бұрын
@@streuthmonkey1 What was the motivation for their action, or lack of it? And were they the same aerospace engineers who created Concorde? British engineers have rarely been hopeless, only poorly led, poorly supported and poorly financed. The HST was amazingly successful and its gradual passing is lamented by all.
@rogink
@rogink 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. In a nutshell why BR needed to be privatised!
@kubilaymendi5439
@kubilaymendi5439 2 жыл бұрын
@@rogink ‘why it needed to be privatised.’ Well, we all know how that went down
@nuntiusuk3345
@nuntiusuk3345 2 жыл бұрын
Well said and I totally agree . British rail Engineers developed the technology and I well recall the gutter press making fun of it just because of early teething issues .
@railwaybenefitfund
@railwaybenefitfund 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Geoff! Great to see our President Pete on there :)
@Thetrainguy-xt9nr
@Thetrainguy-xt9nr 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual
@Jjtwhite
@Jjtwhite 3 жыл бұрын
I knew you would do it Geoff you do every thing
@andyrathbone6365
@andyrathbone6365 3 жыл бұрын
I was watching Mark, The Man In Seat Sixty-one's video, on this epic run, and right near the end I hear a familiar voice, your's and I wondered when we'd see you video
@jmas1070
@jmas1070 3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@cjmillsnun
@cjmillsnun 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting that the Train number on the matrix display still starts VT
@skritchesdeath5752
@skritchesdeath5752 3 жыл бұрын
Driver was so humble and blasé about it all!
@boriss.861
@boriss.861 3 жыл бұрын
Well done Just shows how good those embryonic computers and APT train systems were if only they were allowed to be developed properly back in 1981!
@trainstrainstrains40
@trainstrainstrains40 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video Geoff, can't believe they were 21 seconds late!
@TheArkamedBat
@TheArkamedBat 3 жыл бұрын
Japan:I WANT MY FU*KING MONEY BACK
@neilwilson5785
@neilwilson5785 3 жыл бұрын
I love a heroic 'failure' Of course it is a great success. Wonderful work by everyone involved.
@peterstransport337
@peterstransport337 3 жыл бұрын
The APT is amazing, it still holds up as an amazing train!
@xander1052
@xander1052 3 жыл бұрын
though it's record happened with breaking the speed limit on the WCML, it was allowed to go to 140, while the Pendolinos had to stick to 125 despite being able to hit the same speeds. They could have beaten it with updated signalling easy.
@peterstransport337
@peterstransport337 3 жыл бұрын
@@xander1052 Bit unfortunate but rules are rules lol
@xander1052
@xander1052 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterstransport337 yup
@6yjjk
@6yjjk 3 жыл бұрын
When the record does eventually fall, I'd LOVE to see APT come out for a rematch.
@peterstransport337
@peterstransport337 3 жыл бұрын
@@6yjjk That would be brilliant!
@Davehearne43
@Davehearne43 2 жыл бұрын
Keep up with the amazing work ✅️ 👏
@PlaneandTrainWindowSeat
@PlaneandTrainWindowSeat 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Geoff.
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 3 жыл бұрын
Omg the train looks absolutely brilliant!
@ianmcclavin
@ianmcclavin 3 жыл бұрын
Aw, so close!! Still, I'm glad you all had a great day by the looks of things!
@EdMcF1
@EdMcF1 3 жыл бұрын
Neneh Cherry and Youssou N'dour song springs to mind.
@drdcheung
@drdcheung 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. On tenterhooks to see if it was going to happen or not. Thanks for a great video.
@NXEAFrenchie
@NXEAFrenchie 3 жыл бұрын
Avanti Drivers are always entertaining us trainspotters with their nice tones
@LisaMarli
@LisaMarli 3 жыл бұрын
Good run. 21 seconds difference and no special speed exemptions is damn good. I wish we had trains and track like that in America. I hate planes and cars. I would much prefer to take a train everywhere.
@neilbain8736
@neilbain8736 3 жыл бұрын
I watched with interest. On the Radio 4 news, the article noted that the APT was allowed to exceed speed limits, but the Pendilino did not and stayed within them. This is an impressive run.
@ThePurpleLady-86
@ThePurpleLady-86 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Shame it missed out on the APT record. But Fantastic to hear it became the fastest pendalino
@ScottishNSRailFan
@ScottishNSRailFan 3 жыл бұрын
Was on the inaugural run of the APT, with the family and my son was the youngest, 4, on board. Interviewed by the media and still have the tickets and the memorabilia given out at the time. Needless to say, have the Hornby APT in my collection and have ordered the latest version of the version.
@alexholden
@alexholden 3 жыл бұрын
This was unexpectedly fascinating.
@jaymatsell1219
@jaymatsell1219 3 жыл бұрын
The pendolinos got 21 seconds to go…
@ShoaibKhan-bz5qm
@ShoaibKhan-bz5qm 3 жыл бұрын
Did you see me in the video oh no
@Wirralspotter
@Wirralspotter 3 жыл бұрын
Just about saw myself filming you pass Crewe lol
@robseybaby1
@robseybaby1 3 жыл бұрын
When this was being reported in the news, I genuinely can't believe I didn't think "Geoff Marshall will HAVE to be on that train and he'll produce one of his excellent videos to document it". Also, I've always wanted to say 'thank you' to Pete Waterman, who was very friendly, knowledgeable and chatty to my father when they met by chance at a preserved railway (I forget which one). It was one of those treasured moments my father recalled right up until his passing in 2013.
@ericlee2684
@ericlee2684 3 жыл бұрын
That moment when they announce the train miss by 21 seconds
@kikivoorburg
@kikivoorburg 3 жыл бұрын
Alert the LNER!! the race is back on!! Wouldn’t it be awesome to see a new Race to the North?
@alangaming2003
@alangaming2003 3 жыл бұрын
I think you mean VTEC
@paulskinner
@paulskinner 3 жыл бұрын
@@alangaming2003 They do not. LNER is what it is now.
@2H80vids
@2H80vids 3 жыл бұрын
@@alangaming2003 If you're going to try to correct people, stick to a subject you know something about. Even if you were correct, it still gets tired pretty quickly.
@ewan_rbx4690
@ewan_rbx4690 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a Avanti Video
@patmoore1875
@patmoore1875 3 жыл бұрын
There are several reasons that the record wasn’t beaten, probably the main one is the now necessary adherence to speed restrictions due to to TPWS Over-Speed which is just about everywhere and the on-board logging systems ; this is clearly demonstrated by the slow speed into the platform at Glasgow where it was almost certain that the APT came in at a damn sight quicker rate. As there was no on-board logging then whereas now every action is recorded in relation to the actual position on the track, I would suspect that the the proverbial ‘blind eye’ by the BR management was made to where some of the speed restrictions then in force so as the record was achieved. If there had been a similar level playing field today, it just makes you wonder what could have been achieved by the Pendolino unit !
@MylesHSG
@MylesHSG 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, it's not really a fair fight. With TPWS and a change in the culture on the railways in regards to rules and safety it won't be beaten until some significant upgrade work on the line to allow more 125 mph running.
@Murderdogs
@Murderdogs 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on! I wouldn't be surprised if the only criteria in the 80s was "Don't SPAD, and pay attention to the speed limits on curves, those ones count!"
@dionysusnu3881
@dionysusnu3881 2 жыл бұрын
There was a 50mph TSR between Carlisle and Carstairs. That lost them 30 seconds by a friend's calculations..
@Trainman10715
@Trainman10715 2 жыл бұрын
@@dionysusnu3881 the apts attempt was also delayed by 5 mins due to a signal failure so thats nothing
@dionysusnu3881
@dionysusnu3881 2 жыл бұрын
@@Trainman10715 huh, really? I thought it only delayed the start time and they only started the journey a little later.
@TheClintonio
@TheClintonio 3 жыл бұрын
This made me do a back of the envelope milage for trains for me. Probably ~100k miles? It's a lot, I know that much. Definitely looking forwards to more journeys.
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